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No. 24226 Systemkontra
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A discussion for all things related to music.

Discuss musicians and their discographies, inspirations, careers, image, impact, artistic integrity and raison d'être. Sharing links is fine, but also discuss what particularly moved you about a given song or composition.
No. 24230
Okay, sure.

Heilung just released a new album and I think it's brilliant. To get to know them, I recommend videos from their appearence at the Castlefest in Holland, in particularl

Othan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPV38e7yfSo
Hamrer Hippyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNu6FmaUIB0

Futha is their second studio album after Ofnir, in-between they released their appearance at Castlefest as life album called LIFA.

It's somewhat weird to talk about this kind of music since I've never been too much into anything related to metal or folk, my roots lie in IDM and breakcore, but recently - over a year now - I haven't listened to anything but Wardruna, Forn, Heilung and Arkona. It touches something that other music has never even scratched in me.
No. 24232
Oh hey, we had Heilung on in the kitchen at work today courtesy of our resident music pro. What a coincidence.
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I know we have some people who are quite passionate about Metal, so I'd like to start by discussing the genre.

Perhaps it's best we first define what Metal is since there appears to be a great deal of confusion. Metal is heavy, Psychedelic and Blues-based Rock music structured in either minor-key, modal or chromatic scales. Power chords, quick picking and galloping riffs are also very important. Bands that don't utilize them in any fashion are rarely considered Metal. The tonal centers of the Metal riffs in each composition are not fixed but progress over the course of it. The rhythm guitar is therefore not a merely a rhythm instrument but the lead one. Unless you're shredding, there can be no Metal with a rhythm guitar. The drum kit is enslaved to the guitars as a mere metronomic timekeeper despite whatever swing, texture, or fills the drummer flourishes the music with. If Robbing the Graveyard and Raping the Dead from Satan's Massacre is any proof, you construct Metal music simply with your amp and guitar with no bass or percussion needed at all:

It’s these reasons I refuse to dub Black Sabbath's self-titled album and even Paranoid as Metal. Black Sabbath's Metal work started with Master of Reality and virtually every album since that time. Sabbath's most Metal albums under Ozzy's tenure during their prime were Sabotage and Vol. 4 with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as a runner-up. “The Wizard” may have that one riff (I'd argue it's a Hard Rock riff [the fills, phrasing, and little notes popping up here and there are even more indication]), but even so, claiming the debut is the first Metal album is inane.

Just listen to “Ride the Sky” by Lucifer's Friend which dropped in November of 1970, almost a year before the world would hear “Children of the Grave”. That song alone is heavier than most of what Sabbath made until that “Master of Reality”. For shits and giggles, follow that up with “Deceiver” by Judas Priest and you’ll notice some parallels:

What also can't be overstated is the significance of the heavier side of Psychedelic Rock from the early '70s with bands all over the world forging the foundations for Heavy Metal. Just check out Buffalo, Sir Lord Baltimore or Cool Feet:

Other items of intrigue...

Stone Axe (Sadly, this is the only single they recorded):


Captain Beyond:



Macabre (pre-Pentagram):

Legend (USA):
No. 24238
I guess in the weeks after a new album is released there is a chance that through discussion on the internet the exposure to unfamiliar but interesting/great works is increased.

The new album features a form of an older germanic language that I guess could be frisian or saxon. Been meaning to do some research on that and I guess I'll just do so now.
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Techno-Ernst back again

[KRTM] and Tim Tama (Some true underground techno heroes) released their collaborative piece yesterday

[KRTM] - Slave

Tim Tama - Dream Syntax

This will also be my first vinyl purchase
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Recently I've been listening to a lot of liquid dnb again. My music library consists of some 3000 tracks of that genre and even though I admit it is a rather repetitive one, it's soothing my mind to listen to it while driving the highway, work late at night or just work out in the park. I also startes compiling some mix tapes with my favorite tunes to keep me company on the road. in case anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChH-6DRw_r6yf3gk2bbkV2Q .
No. 24271
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Very interesting rendition of a traditional Turkish song:

No. 24351
Until the mid-2000s, Doom Metal was perhaps the least noticed of Heavy Metal’s subgenres in spite of two previous decades worth of mindblowing albums. An unfortunate consequence of this collective intrigue in forgotten Metal records released ages ago came this overzealous labeling of heavier Psychedelic bands as Doom Metal. This includes the ever so prevalent fallacy of “70s Doom” propagated by insolent music journalists and clever record distros who saw the perfect opportunity to move product. Simply put: no active, touring and/or recording Doom bands existed in the ’70s. Despite Black Sabbath’s influence on Metal and especially Doom Metal, the band never was a full-fledged Doom band. One could even argue they weren’t a Metal band until [I]Master of Reality[/I]. '70s Pentagram tinkered with Hard Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Heavy Metal, and Bedemon’s demos never reached a wider audience until they were bootlegged in the ’80s.

Doom Metal proper started in the ’80s, a decade that bequeathed Tyrant (who later became Saint Vitus), Trouble, Death Row/Pentagram, Candlemass, Cirith Ungol, Witchfinder General and Pagan Altar. These bands can be safely considered the origin of Doom Metal. The few obscure “Doom” bands (besides those affiliated with Candlemass and Iron Man) people name drop from the ’70s lack so many of the qualities seen in the bigger bands.

So what is Doom Metal, you ask? This is perhaps the best explanation for the genre I’ve heard:
>Imagine Black Sabbath’s career were moving chronologically backwards. Let’s start in the 70s here so we don’t have to go through their entire back catalog. Imagine “Vol. 4” was Black Sabbath’s first album. Then “Master of Reality” is their second, “Paranoid” their third, and then the self-titled album is their fourth. Now imagine that the band Earth never existed, and instead of following up their now fourth album with whatever blues type of music Earth played you take the backwards development of the Black Sabbath style and spin it further into the unknown. Muddier, more inchoate, more protozoic and somewhat creepier with each passing album. Then, when you followed that backwards movement all the way to the eighth album (being some time in 1962 or so), you’ve arrived at Saint Vitus. All their influences reverse engineered to a form that would have existed in the early 1960s if Heavy Metal and Doom Metal had not evolved from Rock music but came into being at zero metalness (but nothing else either) in 1950 and slowly but steadily grew more and more in Metal content (without Rock music or blues or any other form of music ever having any influence).

Quintessential Doom Metal albums:
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
Death Row - All Your Sins
Pentagram - Relentless
Trouble - Psalm 9
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Bedemon - Child of Darkness
Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
Pagan Altar - Pagan Altar / Volume 1 / Judgement of the Dead
No. 24353
How is there no mention of Electric Wizard nowhere in that entire thread?
No. 24357
>Electric Wizard

Their early work is decent (the band's previous incarnations as well the first two full-length albums are their best), but Dopethrone is heinously overrated. It's not bad, but decent at best. The music would be better if the pace wasn't gratingly dirgelike.
No. 24375
You're way too autistic. Get help
No. 24376
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Wow rude
t. not even him
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Diabarha is back! A great speedcore composer:

One of his classic songs for comparison:

I immediately noticed the increased quality of the production.
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Came across Diabarha a bunch of times when I was looking for edgy stuff like extratone/splittercore, can't really enjoy this kind of speedcore.

What I do enjoy are some frenchcore songs, some stuff from Dr. Peacock and Sefa is actually pretty good IMO, even if it's mainly consumed by underage party NPCs

I found this dude "Undefined Movement" like a year ago and exchanged stuff with him on FB.
He does some nice underground hardcore/techno

We already discussed this a few threads ago, but nothing really originated out of it: Does anyone wanna go on a rave together?

I'm especially looking forward to this:

"Break/Fast 1.0" - hard & fast DnB/Hardcore, no mainstream stuff they say.
No. 24393
>no mainstream stuff they say.

You could listen to their soundclouds in order to get an idea. So far the description sounds like they know what they are talking about. I don't know shit about these genres so I'm not a good judge.
No. 24394
Stray Cats released their first new album since the early 90s late last month. It's honestly not as bad as I thought it'd be. I appreciate that they modernised their old act which was decidedly a throwback to classic Rock and Roll into what is considerably more modern music without losing the played-straight rockabilly that makes their act what it is. Overall it's solid, nothing special but not bad for a band I consider to be kind of washed up at this point anyway tbh :-DDD

Playlist of the album attached below but I dunno if it'll work for everybody. Album is too new for a full posting so it's only the official audio-only ones which can have patchy coverage.

No. 24441
The left turns on its own...yet again. I can't say I'm surprised since the history of revolutionary political movements and subcultures associated with them has seen no dearth of factionalism, and competing parties have gone as far as assassinating one another to gain power and influence.

In news related to extreme music and Antifa (yet again), Amebix and Tau Cross frontman Rob Miller has been in the crosshairs from a journalist at Brooklyn Vegan for Miller's endorsement of supposed "Holocaust denier" Gerard Menuhin:

Despite Miller's massive contribution to the development of Crust Punk (some argue it wouldn't exist without Amebix), condemnation from supposed fans came fast and furious, culminating to Relapse Records dropping the band from the label. Malcolm "Scruff" Lewty of Hellbastard has chosen to defend his comrade from the witchhunt led by Brooklyn Vegan by publishing Rob Miller's official statement on Hellbastard's Facebook page:

Keep in mind Hellbastard has always been expressly anti-racist, anti-Fascist and even pro-Antifa, but that didn't stop a certain segment of Antifa supporters from accusing both Miller and Scruff of being Nazi apologists. Since that time, an Antifa supporter has created a page on Facebook putting Scruff on blast for defending Rob Miller:
No. 24447
These are absolute fringe basically no name bands and antifa is a joke dude. Nobody cares about antifa and nobody cares about any of those bands either. I've never even heard of any of them. It's also hilarious to get butthurt about crustpunk being too leftist of all things.
No. 24450
You're reading stuff into my post that's not there. Considering that squatting Anarchists were the pioneers in Anarcho-Punk and Crust Punk, it would be stupid on my part to get mad about that faction being leftist in any capacity. The point being is that leftists eagerly devolve into infighting over the pattiest and trivial of reasons, and nobody is excluded.

I take it you really don't care about Crust Punk to educate yourself, because calling Amebix a "no-name" band shows your profound ignorance on the topic. Sure, they aren't as famous as, say, CRASS is, but they've earned a large and respectable following and just about every band cites Arise as an influence. Just read "The Day the Country Died" by Ian Glasper and you'll see that Amebix has quite a few references in that book.
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I wonder what Ernsties opinion on the Butthole Surfers might be?

The Butthole Surfers - Cough Syrup

Butthole Surfers - Human Cannonball

Butthole Surfers - Jingle of a Dog's Collar

Butthole Surfers - Who Was In My Room Last Night
No. 24456
Has anybody seen the Cockney Rejects recently? I know they're getting old but they're making their first Australian tour this year and I'm thinking about going. I don't want to go if they've lost their touch though. It'd be a waste of money.

>The point being is that leftists eagerly devolve into infighting over the pattiest and trivial of reasons, and nobody is excluded.
It's true of pretty much all politics, even the establishment is surprisingly divided on a lot of topics. Our conservatives for example are almost constantly tearing themselves apart along the lines of urban elite, big rural landholders and bible thumpers with a less-powerful fourth group consisting of the typically moderate upper-middle class.

Then again, infighting over trivial shite is the trademark of Australian politics this decade so maybe not the best example :-DDD

Breddy good. They're not my go-to music but I'm not upset when they come on. I just prefer a different sound for my everyday music.
No. 24460
To elaborate, what really pisses me off is that nobody seems to be asking why Rob Miller takes inspiration from Gerard Menuhin and instead just assume the worst because of Menuhin's reputation as a "holocaust denier," which is peripheral to his main thesis in that the World Wars were about global finance taking control over the earth. He's less like David Irving and more like David Icke without the shapeshifting space lizards. In fact, if you read that Brett Stevens article linked to in that post, it'll explain cogently what likely inspired Rob Miller.

Between that and Rob's obsessions with ancient astronaut stuff, Gnostic Christianity and his views as a British leftist, I would be surprised if he hasn't read David Icke. Gnosticism + ancient aliens + Zionist conspiracies are basically the trifecta of Ickeism. Icke has a surprisingly large foothold in UK left-wing politics even among people who should know better. See also comic book writer Grant Morrison who's mentioned Icke as an influence on his "The Invisibles" or journalist Kerry Anne Mendoza who's even appeared on Icke's podcast as a guest. Neither of whom have received particular blowback for it. Another thing about Icke is that if you listen to an interview with him most of what he says is perfectly sensible self-help advice or garden variety Chomskyesque anti-capitalist rhetoric. Then he'll slowly work in his weirder ideas like "the Protocols of Zion are true but about aliens disguised as humans instead of Jewish people" or "global warming is a cover story for testing of superweapons based on weather manipulation" but in very small doses. That way you'll accept those ideas as logical consequences of the sensible stuff. He is way better at keeping up appearances than say Alex Jones.

Antifa themselves don't wield any political power in the Anglosphere, but that doesn't mean they can't be a nuisance for musicians with controversial opinions even those who're otherwise very close to them politically. Keep in mind we're not talking about those with diametrically opposite opinions (ie: RAC skinheads). We're talking about immediate peers and pioneers within their subculture.

It's within the power of labels, concert organizers and everyone else in the scene to choose to bow to their pressure or not. Sadly, most choose to not only out of expedience, but also because far-left politics and Antifa sympathizers have popular support within that scene, and openly defying them could trigger a domino effect.

Eh, they're okay. I never was that into them, but some of their songs still hold up.

The appeal of live music is lost on me. I haven't been to a live show in years, and the prospect of going into a dingy club where toilets don't work or buying overpriced drinks just aren't worth the price of admission. Plus chumming it up with complete strangers you'll never meet again no longer holds any novelty for me.

I do like the cheap merch and the opportunity to chew the fat with the band pre-show, so if that's what you're after, go for it. I've learned all to well that musicians die rather prematurely.
No. 24461 Kontra
To answer your question, I sadly haven't seen Cockney Rejects live, although I'd love to. They were heroes who produced some of the greatest Oi! cut to wax.

Interestingly, they switched to Metal in the middle of their career. Wonder what inspired that change:
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I had this record. It was a bore, I sold it.

I recall Boredoms, too. The same feeling.
No. 24471
Hi Metalpunk Spain (Catalan?) :3

Any thoughts on this?
No. 24472
Not a huge fan of the music, but the frontman of Boredoms, Eye, had a shit-ton of different projects and is absolutely legendary. From Wiki:

>Hanatarash was notorious for their dangerous live shows. Some of the band's most infamous shows included Eye cutting a dead cat in half with a machete, strapping a circular saw to his back and almost cutting his leg off, and destroying part of a venue with a backhoe bulldozer by driving it through the back wall and onto the stage.

>At a 1985 show in Tokyo's Superloft, the audience were required to fill out forms due to the possibility of harm caused by the show. The show was stopped due to Eye preparing to throw a lit molotov cocktail onto the stage. The performance cost ¥600,000 (approximately $9,000 US) in repairs.

>After several years of the intense live shows, Hanatarash was forbidden from performing at most venues, and were only allowed to return to live performances in the 1990s after Eye would agree to cease his destructive on-stage behavior.
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Re: The Boredoms

Superæ was interesting, but not enough substance to hold my attention or inspire any need to relisten. The only other material I'm familiar with is "Seadrum."
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Well, it's definitely not their best one
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Lately I've been listening to the band that did the song from the True Detective S1 show open. They're actually pretty good if you like Americana and Nick Cave style murder ballads.

No. 24544
Nothing against the song you posted, but ugh, Nick Cave is the first choice for wine aunts everywhere just like Tom Waits is the fedora of music. And every interview with him just makes me nauseous:

Anyway, carry on...
No. 24546

SWEDEN makes good death metal in 2019, YES
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It's a matter of bad luck in my case, then
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This is not Death Metal
No. 24630
That's stoner metal with a little bit of sludge influence.
In fact, most everything on that channel is stoner rock, doom, psychedelic doom, etc.

On that note, death and doom metal are very difficult to combine. I've so far only encountered one band that does it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxtqbKga_HM
it also has synths :-DDDD.

But black and doom metal mix surprisingly well together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsbZ35YSAUA
No. 24632
My favorite Death Metal albums:
Autopsy - Mental Funeral (crowning achievement of the entire genre)

Arghoslent - Galloping Through the Battle Ruins
Assück - Misery Index
Atheist - Piece of Time
Baphomet - The Dead Shall Inherit
Before God - Wolves Amongst the Sheep
Berserkr - Crush the Weak
Bolt Thrower - In Battle There Is No Law!
Brutality - Screams of Anguish
Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
Castle (Netherlands) - Castle (1994, MMI Records)
Dark Millennium - Ashore the Celestial Burden
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Death - Leprosy
Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence (more Thrash than Death, but whatever...)
Derkéta - Goddess of Death
Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream
Excalibur - The Water, the Soil & the Sand
Frightmare - Bringing Back the Bloodshed
Hellwitch - Syzygial Miscreancy
Horrific - Your Worst Nightmare
Impetigo - Horror of the Zombies
Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
Incubus - Serpent Temptation
Infester - To the Depths, in Degradation
Macabre - Gloom
Massacre - From Beyond
Master - On the Seventh Day God Created... Master
Mystifier - Wicca
Mythic - Anthology (Mourning in the Winter Solstice + Demos)
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Morgion - Among Majestic Ruin
Morgoth - The Eternal Fall / Resurrection Absurd
My Dying Bride - As the Flower Withers
Napalm Death - From Enslavement to Obliteration LP
Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence
Necrovore - Divus de mortuus
Nocturnal Fear - Fog of War
Nocturnus - The Key
Novembers Doom - Of Sculptured Ivy and Stone Flowers
Nunslaughter - Hells Unholy Fire
Obituary - Cause of Death
Paradise Lost - Lost Paradise
Paramæcium - Exhumed of the Earth
Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
Possessed - Seven Churches
Purtenance - Member of Immortal Damnation
Ripping Corpse - Dreaming with the Dead
Sarcófago - The Laws of Scourge
Sempiternal Deathreign - The Spooky Gloom
Sepultura - Morbid Visions / Bestial Devastation
Sororicide - The Entity
Sorrow - Hatred and Disgust
Suffocation - Human Waste
Terrorizer - World Downfall
Totenmond - Reich in Rost
Unholy - The Second Ring of Power
Vital Remains - Let Us Pray
Vulcano - Bloody Vengeance

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Autopsy - Mental Funeral (crowning achievement of the entire genre)
I find it boring

Arghoslent - Galloping Through the Battle Ruins
Noisy nice

Atheist - Piece of Time: too technical

Baphomet - The Dead Shall Inherit: my man

Bolt Thrower - In Battle There Is No Law!: more Realms, Warmaster, For Victory,
or the last one

Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses: too clean

Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness: my man

Death - Leprosy: my man

Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream: more of a Dark Recollections or left
hand path man

Impetigo - Horror of the Zombies: my man

Incantation - Onward to Golgotha: anti Christian :(

Infester - To the Depths, in Degradation: nice

Massacre - From Beyond: prefer Death

Mythic - Anthology (Mourning in the Winter Solstice + Demos): the Mourning one
is lovely

Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness: it's ok

Morgoth - The Eternal Fall / Resurrection Absurd: it's ok

My Dying Bride - As the Flower Withers: very innovative I think

Napalm Death - From Enslavement to Obliteration LP: more of a Harmony Corruption
Diatribes Mentally Murdered man

Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence: excellent but too much bad vibes. RIP

Nocturnus - The Key: perhaps could relisten it

Obituary - Cause of Death: and Slowly and End complete...

Paradise Lost - Lost Paradise: too raw, prefer Gothic

Pestilence - Consuming Impulse: nice

Possessed - Seven Churches: not my cup of tea

Purtenance - Member of Immortal Damnation: nice but not the very best from

Sarcófago - The Laws of Scourge: boring

Sempiternal Deathreign - The Spooky Gloom: don't remember

Sepultura - Morbid Visions / Bestial Devastation: don't remember

Sorrow - Hatred and Disgust: a bit boring

Suffocation - Human Waste: Effigy

Terrorizer - World Downfall: my man

Vital Remains - Let Us Pray: nah

The following ones I have not listened to

Paramæcium - Exhumed of the Earth

Sororicide - The Entity

Totenmond - Reich in Rost

Unholy - The Second Ring of Power

Brutality - Screams of Anguish

Castle (Netherlands) - Castle (1994, MMI Records)

Assück - Misery Index

Before God - Wolves Amongst the Sheep

Berserkr - Crush the Weak

Dark Millennium - Ashore the Celestial Burden

Darkthrone - Soulside Journey

Excalibur - The Water, the Soil & the Sand


Derkéta - Goddess of Death

Horrific - Your Worst Nightmare

Incubus - Serpent Temptation

Macabre - Gloom

Master - On the Seventh Day God Created... Master

Frightmare - Bringing Back the Bloodshed

Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence (more Thrash than Death, but whatever...)

Nunslaughter - Hells Unholy Fire

Necrovore - Divus de mortuus

Novembers Doom - Of Sculptured Ivy and Stone Flowers

Vulcano - Bloody Vengeance

Hellwitch - Syzygial Miscreancy

Mystifier - Wicca

Morgion - Among Majestic Ruin

Ripping Corpse - Dreaming with the Dead

Nocturnal Fear - Fog of War

No. 24661
I have many other favorites, of course. It would be quite exhausting to list, but those are what immediately came to mind. I should mention I also like Poison (Germany) - Further Down into the Abyss. Really a Death/Thrash with First Wave Black Metal influences, but whatever:

Re: Cannibal Corpse, I prefer Chris Barnes to Corpsegrinder. Eaten Back to Life and The Bleeding are their highest achievements. Everything else is just too monotonous for me.

As to stuff that you haven't listened to, give these a try:
Paramæcium- Exhumed of the Earth (best Christian Death/Doom ever. Makes Mortification look like cheap piss in comparison)

Sororicide - The Entity (cult Icelandic Death Metal):

Totenmond - Reich in Rost (Deutschepunk-influenced Death Metal):

Unholy - The Second Ring of Power (Finnish Death/Doom classic):

Brutality - Screams of Anguish (Floridian OSDM):

Castle (Netherlands) - Castle (1994, MMI Records) (unsung Dutch Death/Doom classic):

Assück - Misery Index + Discography (Crust-influenced Deathgrind):

Before God - Wolves Amongst the Sheep (BFG side-project):

Berserkr - Crush the Weak (NS Death'n'Roll):

Dark Millennium - Ashore the Celestial Burden (Proggy Death Metal with a slight Death/Doom undercurrent):

Darkthrone - Soulside Journey (the Death Metal debut of Norwegian Black Metal legends):

Excalibur - The Water, the Soil & the Sand
(album not available due to gay Hate Speech prohibitions despite featuring no lyrics targeting anyone on account of race)

diSEMBOWELMENT - diSEMBOWELMENT (legendary Death/Doom and Grindcore crossover):

Derkéta - Goddess of Death (pre-Mythic Pittsburgh Death Metal):

Horrific - Your Worst Nightmare (cheesy Death'n'Roll):

Incubus - Serpent Temptation (Christian Death/Thrash):

Macabre - Gloom (Deathgrind classic):

Master - On the Seventh Day God Created... Master

Frightmare - Bringing Back the Bloodshed (super fun Deathgrind/Thrash Metal crossover with '80s horror movie themes)

Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence (more Thrash than Death, but whatever...)

Nunslaughter - Hells Unholy Fire + Goat (Grand Belial's Key-tier blasphemous Death Metal):

Necrovore - Divus de mortuus (Texas Death Metal legend):

Novembers Doom - Of Sculptured Ivy and Stone Flowers (gloomy, almost Gothy Death/Doom):

Vulcano - Bloody Vengeance (First Wave Black Metal with Death Metal influences):

Hellwitch - Syzygial Miscreancy (hypertechnical Death/Thrash):

Mystifier - Wicca (Brazilian Blackened Death legends):

Morgion - Among Majestic Ruin (Death/Doom):

Ripping Corpse - Dreaming with the Dead (Death/Thrash classic):

Nocturnal Fear - Fog of War (non-political Death/Thrash classic courtesy of Pist Chris of Angry Aryans):
No. 24664
>purtenance and no demilich to be seen
the fuck is wrong with you?
No. 24665
Tech Death isn't my thing, so Demilich has stayed off my radar. I'll have to check them out one of these days by virtue of being an OSDM band that released material in the genre's prime.

In other news, my 100 mixed CD surprise from Rock-O-Rama Records finally arrived today. Most of it is deadstock from the '90s, but some of it is prime material. Sadly, some duplicates were included as well CDs I had acquired from other sellers, but I shouldn't moan too much considering these CDs were a fraction of the cost. Paying full price (13€) per specified item would've been too expensive.
No. 24672
i never thought of it as technical death metal but i guess you're right, it is pretty technical
No. 24688
Japanese Wagner:

You can find lots of elements Mayuzumi has learned from Mahler and Schoenberg. Of course he is a Japanese composer and this symphony is strongly influenced by this fact.
No. 24712
I'm trying to clear out my alt and emo rock backlog.
It's taking a shitton of time just to listen to one track from each album of each band to get a feeling for their aesthetic.

I don't like most of it, but I don't want to miss out on something potentially good. The lyrics are super whiny and american, though.

Maybe I should stop wasting time and go back to exploring my dadmetal backlog.
No. 24715
I probably jumped into this with the wrong mindset. It's definitely Wagnerian in the sense that it's expansive and slow, like the Rhine, but I just can't find Mahler in it.
It's pretty tame and streamlined compared to Mahler's all out extravaganzas with giant orchestras and loud trumpets.
It probably shares more with Schönberg's work, judging by how atonal and chaotic it gets in certain sections. Though I've never really listened to Schönberg all the much. Most of academic music becomes quite irksome to the ears past WW2, with a few exceptions like Shostakovich.

The ending is pretty good though, shame it picks up steam so slowly. At times it reminded me of the NGE soundtrack.
No. 24723
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Reminds me of Schnittke. Thank you, I like it.

How do you feel about Schnittke?

No. 24724
Mate if you want aesthetics, hit up some Pub Rock classics. It oozes the shit.

No. 24730
What an exaggeration, thank you very much

Purtenance is nice but I find other bands from Finland to be much more exciting.

Thinking of Disgrace Rippokoulu Krypts Demigod Abhorrence among others

Demilich is lovely it's not tech death for me, it's bizarre bizarre

And this is very nice
No. 24732
Huh? What did I exaggerate? The most hyperbolic statement made was my comparison of Paramæcium and Mortification.

Did you mean exhausting or exhaustive?
No. 24734
>How do you feel about Schnittke?
The same way I feel about Schönberg and other composers exploring compositions without melody.
"It'd probably be pretty fucking rad if I knew music theory or something, but as things are currently, this is just hurting my ears or bores me to tears"
By all means, use atonality and falsch tones, but don't make it into a jumbled mess of notes for other arse-sniffers who write the same way just to "challenge conventions" or "make something new"
Schnittke is good when he has a melody. Unbearable otherwise. I don't hate him, it's just that I don't get it, because I'm not the target audience for this kind of music.
No. 24735
Though to add, I don't remember what I actually heard from Schnittke. It was a chaotic mess, quoting Shostakovich at times, with a jazz orchestra part, and it was a lot more quiet and slow, but what you linked seems to be a coherent piece, if a bit fragmented in the sense that it has no overarching themes that repeat and is a collection of quotations probably. I'm going to listen to this multiple times, I can feel.
No. 24795
>Did you mean exhausting or exhaustive?

Yes, this, sorry
No. 24796
I mean generous
No. 24812
I can safely say I'm in love with Schnittke's 1st Symphony.
No. 24859
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No. 24869
I only just now realised that Take 'em All by Cock Sparrer is a slightly obfuscated parody of Bless 'em All, a song from WWI. Rate ability to miss the relatively obvious.

No. 24884
I listened to Kino - Pack of cigarette just now, is it where the meme comes from? I listened further and had to find out I already listened to them back in GTA IV.
No. 24885
Kino is not a meme, they are pure feels.

No. 25014
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God damn this song fucked me up.
Now I'm thinking that Path of Exile missed an opportunity by not having Wraeclast be a penal colony. Zombies and mutated beasts ain't got shit on the horrors of what your fellow man can do to you.

Imagine if the first act, you were in a penal colony, doing quests for the governor and his men, then ending in a bloody uprising, followed by fleeing from the imperial punitive expedition, deeper into the island, to discover horrors unknown.
No. 25044
I used to live close-ish to Port Macquarie :-DDD

>Because of the lack of liberties of the settlement, Governor Ralph Darling quickly sent there many 'specials' or literate convicts with a decent education who had voiced negative views about him. Later on in the settlement's history, in the 1830s, disabled convicts started to arrive. One-armed men would be grouped together and required to break stones, men with wooden legs would become delivery men, and the blind would often be given tasks during the night which they performed more skilfully than those with sight.

No. 25147
Some very late USSR synth pop (or kind of like that, I'am not genre expert) when it finnaly become allowed. Girl looks very lovely, with this dress and hairstyle like Linda Hamilton had in terminator 1 lol. Ukrainian language also sounds beutifull in this song
No. 25152
Yesterday my father came to my room just to say he dislikes what I'm listening to, just to be cheeky and ironic about me hating his new speaker-system. Though he then switched to a serious tone and said that he dislikes orchestral music and jazz, because these types of music just "go from side to side without consistency".
Which got me thinking how Wagner's music is often said to be like the Rhine, it's wide, it had a slow flow, and it goes from side to side."
If we look at more "orthodox" compositions and use the wave motif to describe the structure, we might conclude that these works are varied in structure, and while have recurring elements (like the leitmotifs), they have more "connecting tissue", which means that the compositions are asymmetrical in nature a lot of the time, while modern pop music uses the same elements over and over to form a smaller, less varied structure that lasts the whole duration of the piece, making it a symmetrical and safe work.

Though this is only if we take this half-baked comment seriously. I don't know what I'm on about.
No. 25156
Nobody in this video seems to enjoy what they do. Depressing.
No. 25158
No, it is general soviet thing. After 70 of soviet rule, comined with general people mentality, you should not enjoy and have fun on concert, but be quiet and silent and listen everything

Here is more clear example of such typical soviet audience
No. 25159
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Reminds me of how the People of Best Korea reacted to the Kpop concert the southerners gave them
No. 25162
>"Maybe totalitarianism isn't so bad after all"
I mean look at this shit:

fucking "capitalism with asian characteristics" is a living nightmare.
No. 25164
>you should not enjoy and have fun on concert, but be quiet and silent and listen everything
But that is how I enjoy music: by being quiet and listening to everything.
No. 25165
I too actually, kind of. At least I'am not emptional on public, this why I metioned it as part of "mentality".
No. 25166 Kontra

>oh wow, a little girl dancing is literally worse than the holocaust
No. 25167
Well, I thought K-Pop contracts and capitalism implementation in Korea is already known thing.
No. 25169
Hey, this is actually pretty good :D
Seems weirdly "traditional" for a "communist" country.
No. 25170
The way children have become sexualized, and in fact the main thing people even mean when they bitch about "SJWs" which is the ridiculous tranny fascism, is a fucking blight on mankind and like a growing skin lesion. It requires excision and drainage. Not even full scale Communism is probably as socially and culturally toxic although frankly in that instance "with Asian characteristics" I am not sure what the brick means but I will say this: any society that buys small children pants that say "juicy" and "frosted" on the ass for little girls is a cancerous one and the fist of a mighty and angry God strafe it.
No. 25204
As much as I've railed against Metalcore in the past, I'm starting to discover gems from the early '90s when bands were more influenced by Groove and Thrash Metal as opposed to Post-Hardcore and Melodeath. Metalcore acts seemed to collectively lose the plot by the time the 2000s rolled around and all of them wanted to be At the Gates. Thankfully, a new wave of Metalcore acts are rediscovering their roots in Hardcore, so hopefully, they'll produce music more in line with New York and less in line with Gothenburg.

Personal favorite Metalcore acts: Rorschach, Merauder, All Out War, Conviction, Integrity, Earth Crisis, Selective Aggression, Terror, Stigmata, (early) Overcast.

No. 25213

This guy is doing great mashups
No. 25382
Looks like the French media is going after Aude Mirković for her past as a Nationalist musician:

Of note, they're clutching their pearls over her "anti-Semitic" and "homophobic" lyrics, particularly from the songs "Bourgeois, nouveaux riches et décadents" and "Les Droits de l'Homme." What's amusing to me is that the first song contains no references to Jews in the least. Rather, the lyrics matter-of-factly detail the decadent lifestyles of the elites responsible for France's economic woes. They probably have a case that she's "homophobic" with "Les Droits de l'Homme" considering that she's adamantly opposed to medically assisted procreation for lesbian couples. The lyrics to that song speak of France's prohibitions on "hate speech" that protect certain classes of men (or "homme," perhaps a homo pun) effectively placing the homosexual lobby beyond reproach.

Other stuff brought up: her attacks on the media, condemnation of the Mitterrand administration, namedropping Evola in "J'ai tout compris," her time as guest vocalists in Fleurdelix et les Affreux Gaulois and refusal to grant an interview.

Good for her. Fuck these journalists.
No. 25441
This is seriously reminding me of your obsession with Gillian Anderson.

Apparently RAC Bernd likes middle-aged white women.
No. 25550
Romina Cohn - The Night


Sweet memories are tied to this. It was used in a movie that portrayed a graffiti writers trip thru Europe and really comes up great in the scene filming from the back of a night traveling train leaving the station into the darkness of the night. A cool thought going thru Europe by train at nights.
No. 25583
I can't stop listening to this extremely dumb song:

No. 25599
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Long overdue
I exhale you
I opened up to you
Venom in mania

Now, contagion
I exhale you

The deceiver says, he says
You belong to me
You don't wanna breathe the light of the others
Fear the light
Fear the breath
Fear the others for eternity
But I hear them now inhale the clarity
Hear the venom, the venom in
What you say inoculated

Bless this immunity
Bless this immunity
Bless this immunity

Exhale, expel
Recast my tale
Weave my allegorical elegy

All that I'm to do
Calculating steps away from you
My own
Growing through
Delusion from mania

Exhale, expel
Recast my tale
Weave my allegorical elegy

All control
You poison
You spectacle

Exorcise the spectacle
Exorcise the malady
Exorcise the disparate
Poison for eternity
Purge me and evacuate
The venom and the fear that binds me

Unveil now
Lift away
I see you

Chased away
A long time
No. 25704
Found this really nice album. Don't know what genre it should be filed under, but I like the "mall background noise" effect it's going for.
No. 25737
Please don't spoil, I only want to hear the full album from first to last song.

For the meantime, take this video of Bill Burr trying to explain Meshuggah.
No. 25837
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Listening to Schnittke's 0th Symphony, and it's good, though less experimental, and I have no idea why it's called "Nagasaki".
No. 25841
Okay, so the Symphony is just "Symphony No.0", and the "Nagasaki" thing is a choral work lumped with it on the CD. Cool.
No. 25842
I just wanted to listen to cheesy italian music, but the only thing that came to my mind was the song that is in the beginning of that Gomorra movie


So if any of you guys knows crappy italian songs, I would prefer something that is comparable to the french chanson.
No. 25867
>When I listen to work by avant-garde composers, more often than not I am overwhelmed with a sense of discontent. In these musical constructions everything is too clear, arithmetical and trivial. “Clear” not in the Mozartian sense, but petty and eclectic. In this fragment it seems that the composer is thinking, pondering, and here he is suffering and grieving, and it is even obvious what about, while here there is some Russian Orthodox singing, and there some Pink Floyd, which has all been “symphony-ised” by the bitter-sweet deployment of the accordion and adorned with sweet little gurgles and sobs by the violins… It’s pretty, and terribly “astral”, but I just can’t take that sort of art seriously.

>It is flat music. With no depth and perspective. Easily exhausted as a resource…
>With Bach, Mozart or Chopin, on the other hand, every sound is inexhaustible. The beginning of Requiem – nothing happens, the strings play an empty accompaniment, then the bassoon enters, then two Bassett Horns and then… time recedes, drawing the listener into sweet eternity. Like a river flowing…
>Avant-garde music, or conceptual or post-modern music – despite all its anguish, cosmic abysses, glugs and significant pauses – is light music, wonderful, sparkling, but it does not touch, it gives your cheek a quick stroke and tugs at your ears…
>I listen to it with half an ear, I recognise where the musical material comes from, I laugh and stay exactly where I am. This music does not let you rise above the mundane, nor plunge into the depths…
>Listening to it is the same as going for a walk on a picture postcard of a landscape…. It’s all very well, but not enough.
>Playing it is too easy, there is no demand for “heart or head” when performing. It plays itself…

t. gavrilov
No. 25870
Today while watching the newest Animal Kingdom episode, I suddenly heard a haunting song playing as part of the soundtrack. I immediately paused the show and googled for the song, and discovered a band called Loma which I never had heard of before. Really a niece piece of music:

No. 25872
I was never a huge fan of Downtempo/Trip Hop/Whatever but recently i start to appreciate stuff like Portishead and Massive Attack


No. 25892

Probably couldn't enjoy the song without the video but it really does work.

>I just wanted to listen to cheesy italian music

This is the majority of Italian music.
No. 25894
Okay, I can recommend some.

>Al Bano & Romina Power - Prima Notte D'Amore

>Al Bano & Romina Power - Sempre Sempre

>Nada - Amore Disperato

>Gianna Nannini - Bello e impossibile

Not really cheesy but italian 80s and fun:

>Jo Squillo - Skizzo Skizzo
No. 25930

Such a comfy story. British pornography.
No. 26013
So something occurred to me do kids even listen to music these days? What the hell do they even listen to? It dawned on me that other than Billie Eilish I have no clue who the new musicians even are, or if kids actually listen to music much. This sounds pretty retarded sure but it came about also after reflecting upon the fact I don't listen to a whole lot of music anymore either. In fact I think the main things I even listen to nowadays are vidya game soundtracks and some movie soundtracks and that's just about it, and about all of it I listen to on youtube. In fact the last time I even heard anything anywhere else was because some girl introduced me to stuff on soundcloud many years ago and she was slightly older than me too. So, no, I don't even listen to music myself much anymore either. It's a weird thought to realize.
No. 26014
New rappers like Takeshi69, Little Pump.
Lo-fi beats to study to.
Shawn Mendes.
Shitty latin-american pop. (Whenever I hear a song they sing in Spanish, I expect it to be Despacito, they are so similar.)
Timmy Trumpet

Bear in mind, I just heard these names around school.
No. 26015
While this might be valid for every other Schnittke work, Symphony 0 is a pretty orthodox work. It could have been composed by any Soviet musician with some talent. It resembles Shostakovich a lot.

I mean, just listen to it yourself:
https://mega.nz/#F!hSYzCAYB!5uUpxXi8pGp3XcsKtFVIAQ (Posting it on mega because it's too big to be put up directly on EC)

The tones are clear, and it doesn't sound "off" in any way.
It's probably like this, because it was his graduation piece at the Moscow Conservatoire.
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I heard this song on the car radio a few days ago. I know it's an old one, and that wasn't my first time hearing it, but for some reason it's been running through my head ever since.
I like the audio qualty on this version:

Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here

No. 26126

It has a nice beat to it I guess.

I liked the video.
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No. 26491
love this fanmade video for John Maus - Keep Pushing On

No. 26501
Did Ernst hear about Negative XP?
Pretty fun and fresh punk songs, catchy as hell


No. 26611
2,6 MB, 2:07
This short segment has captivated me for the past two days now. I like how it's kind of melancholic and whimsical at the same time. Like it's indifferent to its own sadness.
No. 26691
>P. Paul Fenech - Just Killing Time

That feel when no serial killer gf.
No. 26724
>Schnittke - The Glass Harmonica
Apparently it was made as a soundtrack for a Soviet animated movie, haven't seen that one, but I like the gentle tone of the music. It's not necessarily always gentle, but when it is, it encompasses the best qualities of >>26611 in a longer form.
No. 26743
>there can be no Metal with a rhythm guitar.

Oh, fuck me. There can be no Metal WITHOUT a rhythm guitar. I totally fucked that one up.
No. 26746

my two posts
im sure music threads are shitty here (the basic bitch kind of ones)
back on kcey they had something nice still (for instance krautrock autism (krautrock is basically autism in audio form))
No. 27006
>Plan of Attack - Riot Squad

Going to see these guys in October when they open for the Rejects, but might also go see them next week depending on how busy I am moving. I really like this cover, but I don't think it's as good as the original:

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the new anamanaguchi album seems great

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I found this image of Shostakovich smiling. He's also holding a pig for some reason.
Now that I think about it, "smiling" seems like a very un-Soviet thing to do. Or even un-Russian or un-Eastern in a sense.
Next time I'm reading something Russian, I'm gonna mark on the back of an envelope how many times anyone in the book smiles.
No. 27482
What does Ernst think of Folk Metal?

Metalheads are split between loving and hating it. The Finnish scene is particularly divisive on account of its bouncy rhythms and fruity campfire vibe. Bands like Korpiklaani who emphasized quantity over quality certainly didn't help. I largely suspect late '90s / 2000s Folk Metal was popular with people who liked the notion of Metal but weren't keen on bands celebrated by metalheads. Every defining facet from the ultra clean production values to the simple chugs and epic Power Metal riffs all catered to those people's tastes and sensibilities. Throw in some Paganism along with vague nods to ancestral heritage and you've got fans for life. It wasn't always that way, and some of the earliest known Folk Metal bands were a far cry from the Finnish and Slavic scenes.

The history of the genre is quite fascinating, though. Even more remarkably is its diversity by region. A Folk Metal band from Russia, Ukraine or Belarus isn't going to sound like anything from Finland, Spain or the British Isles. Each band relies on their distinct influences. The bands whose riffs are based in Heavy or Power Metal will sound quite distinct from those based in late Bathory-esque Viking Metal or Manowar-esque Epic Heavy Metal.

Despite Folk Metal's distinct motifs and image forged by bands in Finland and Eastern Europe, some of the earliest known acts to fuse Folk instrumentation with Metal hailed from Spain and the British Isles. Progressive Rock / Heavy Metal band Ñu and their 1983 album Fuego might be the Godfather of Folk Metal. Take note of the flutes on the title track, "La bailarina", "Los caballeros de hierro" and "La dama de la carroza negra «Nessa»". Some of the tracks even have a xylophone thrown in:

That very band inspired Mägo de Oz, who in turn can be singlehandedly credited for bringing Celtic Metal to the Hispanosphere. Their earlier work was mostly folky Hard Rock with the occasional nod to Metal, but Jesús de Chamberí and especially La leyenda de La Mancha would define their career. On the latter album, you can hear the riffs cycle between bouncy Heavy Metal and straight up Power Metal with fiddles chiming in intermittently. It's unlikely the Finnish, Slavic or even British/Irish scenes heard these bands, but it's still a notable development:

Meanwhile at the British Isles, Steve Ramsey of Satan/Pariah and Martin Walkyier of Sabbat would form Skyclad. Early on, they were quite thrashy with some nods to Folk music, but the release of A Burnt Offering for the Bone Idol along with the EP Tracks from the Wilderness contributed greatly to the development of Celtic Folk Metal:

You also had Irish band Cruachan who were always known to fuse Metal with Celtic instrumentation. They started out playing Celtic Black Metal but gradually transitioned towards plain old Celtic Metal after recruiting Karen Gilligan on vocals. You can especially hear some of the Folk Metal motifs crop up during their midperiod. After Karen Gilligan left, Black Metal influences returned, but still a far cry from their early days.

Waylander, on the other hand, always kept it blackened:

Then, there was Bathory and the Viking Metal period. It was quite obviously influential to Folk Metal's development on account of its big, bombastic riffs and epic passages along with its Pagan themes. None of those albums Folk Metal proper, but it doesn't take a genius to see how influential that era were.
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It's the beginning of Fall again and I am listening to emo: Emperor X, Empire! Empire! (I Was a Lonely Estate), Mineral, etc. I don't know why but I have always associated this season with emo, perhaps since I first heard American Football's self titled album in high school. I enjoy the raw style and confessional lyrics of this genre. It's a guilty pleasure for me, kind of like anime.

Emperor X - Schopenhauer in Berlin
No. 27597
I used to be really enthusiastic about it since I like real traditional folk music longer than I liked metal, and history as well of course, but as I interacted more and more with people from the countries those bands came from online and have even been to those countries my interest in it dropped. It all rings hollow to me now. Generally I liked bands that didn't use harsh vocals (a rarity in the genre). My favorites were Ensiferum, Blind Guardian (they have folky leads on some albums), Falconer, Korpiklaani, Storm, Otyg, Arkona (from Russia), Manegårm, Elvenking, Eluveitie, Temnozor, Finsterforst, Wuthering Heights and a few others I can't remember. Nowadays I would never listen to Temnozor or Arkona solely because they're Russians.

>Bands like Korpiklaani who emphasized quantity over quality

I don't know about their catalogue as a whole but they nailed it with some songs. "Midsummer Night" is perfect and you can only really understand it after experiencing white nights up north.

No. 27599
Oh yeah, Pagan Reign (another Russian band), unlistenable to me now. Glittertind, another clean singing band. Forefather, if you count "viking" metal. Falkenbach. One of the more interesting bands I know, which isn't strictly folk metal, is the Romanian folk-influenced black metal band Marţolea. Good atmospheric stuff, IMO.

No. 27691
>Nowadays I would never listen to Temnozor or Arkona solely because they're Russians.

I feel the same way about bands from Israel :DDDDDD

The only exception I made was for Acheron Gates purportedly because they were NS or Fascist. The idea of an NSBM band from Israel was too good to pass up. The music was ultimately pedestrian, but whatever...

The other problem with Folk Metal is that bands tend to be overbearingly bombastic which can really take you out of the moment. Consequently, bands I used to enjoy no longer appeal to me. Even more "highbrow" bands like Falkenbach, Forefather and Primordial now just strike me as empty bombast, and it's particularly bitter when you revisit their older work after listening to their latest disappointments because you realize even their best material suffered from the same shortcomings.

Interesting band choices, by the way. Blind Guardian released some of the best Power Metal ever recorded, although nothing will quite top the debut Battalions of Fear. I used to really love Temnozor, but now, it sounds so hollow and kitsch. Eluviete is okay, but weren't quite for me. Same with Elvenking. Could never get into Ensiferum because that vocalist sounds so wussy.

Personal favorites: Cruachan, Skyclad, Грай [Grai], Tyr, Primordial, Finntroll, Forefather, Empyrium, Waylander, Alestorm, Geasa, Крода [Kroda].

I would have to revisit some of these to see if I still felt the same way.
No. 27701
I know how goddamn awful Brian's lyrics are (it's like maximum wangsty edgelord you could possibly get) but you guys should give Velvet Acid Christ a try
I fucking love his use of Hangpan in this.

Actually you know what maybe I should just like, buy myself a hang pan and some ayahuasca mix
No. 27702 Kontra
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*handpan whatever

> https://www.ebay.com/b/Handpans/181236/bn_7504988
>$400+ for average handpan
fuckin NOPE.jpg
No. 27704
Meh. Not really for me. Sort of reminds me of this throwaway track from V:TMB.

I'm not too into EBM or Electro-Industrial apart from some odd favorites, and I usually got into those from their other Rock/Metal-based releases. These are my groove for Industrial Rock/Metal: Godflesh, Killing Joke (more into their Post-Punk than Industrial), LSVB/Aion, The Electric Hellfire Club, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Bloodstar, Nailbomb.

This is more my style. Beware: the edgelording here is off the charts, but then again, the band's leader is a priest at LaVey's Church of Satan.

As far as "edginess" in lyrics goes, what matters most in extreme music is the instrumentation and, especially for me, riffs. If your riffs are shit, then your music is shit.

Speaking of which, I'll post some favorites of the above. Special mention goes to Bloodstar for their cover of Goblin's immortal "L'alba dei morti viventi". I'm not sure they succeeded in their ambitions to metallicize the RPI classic, but it's the thought that counts. At worst, it's a noble failure:

Everything else:
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Listened a lot of GG Allin, Vio-lence and I listened to the Jim Jones death tape

inb4 edgy:

it's that I need some energy for preparing the dishes for dishwasher and that
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>Special mention goes to Bloodstar for their cover of Goblin's immortal "L'alba dei morti viventi". I'm not sure they succeeded in their ambit

Sounds very good, genuine mood with more distortion <3 thx

Check Zombie Holocaust OST. A must (the film, not)
No. 27755
I praised GG Allin heavily in the previous music thread before that faggot Kraut countersignaled me. These classics will never be topped:

Italian Horror has great soundtracks. Suspiria is a classic, but even the cheesier ones are worth watching simply for the score.
No. 27758
I agreed with the German too. Allin was an excellent showman, but pretty mediocre as an artist.
No. 27779
>faggot Kraut

Wow, rude.
No. 27795

We had our own version of GG Allin,the guy was sentenced to 12 years in psychiatry for killing another guy and died in the war against Serbia under unclear circumstances.

No. 27820

You ever notice how so many comfy songs are tinged tinged with sad lyrics? Like you're opting out of the world by listening to it.
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RIP Eddie Money

I had my annual San Andreas nostalgia pangs in the summer and listened to this song a bunch of times.
No. 27829
>before that faggot Kraut countersignaled me.
What the actual fuck is that even supposed to mean
The fuck?
No. 27837
Interdasting. Could you tell me more? What was his music about? What are his best songs?

Throat cancer is a hell of a way to go. Can't imagine how awful his last days were. This might've been the first Eddie Money song I heard:

It means to have a very public disagreement. Normally, it's used in the context of a political discussion among fellow ideologues, but it can be applied to casual conversation generally.

Is there a problem with my choice of words? Because yeah, claiming that GG Allin accomplished nothing or had no talent is plainly untrue. And even the Aussie admits that GG was quite the showman, an important feature in Punk. In fact, one's that sorely lacking over the past two decades.
No. 27840
>So something occurred to me do kids even listen to music these days? What the hell do they even listen to? It dawned on me that other than Billie Eilish I have no clue who the new musicians even are, or if kids actually listen to music much. This sounds pretty retarded sure but it came about also after reflecting upon the fact I don't listen to a whole lot of music anymore either. In fact I think the main things I even listen to nowadays are vidya game soundtracks and some movie soundtracks and that's just about it, and about all of it I listen to on youtube. In fact the last time I even heard anything anywhere else was because some girl introduced me to stuff on soundcloud many years ago and she was slightly older than me too. So, no, I don't even listen to music myself much anymore either. It's a weird thought to realize.

Not strange to me at all. In fact, you and I might be statistics. I once recall reading a study that claimed people generally stop consuming media by the time they hit their 30s:

Keep in mind Ajay Kalia consulted user-submitted data from Spotify and Echo Nest, so this study is going to be incredibly biased by its sample and will need to be repeated several times over with broader samples in order to reach reliable conclusions. That study obviously won't account for anomalies like me because I don't use digital services apart from the occasional Bandcamp or iTunes purchase. I prefer physical media as opposed to digital media unless the latter comes with aesthetically pleasing peripherals; exclusive photos / graphics, lyric books, liner notes, et cetera. That study also won't account for families that share electronics. That is, one family member (usually a parent between his/her 30s-50s) purchasing music for one device to be shared among everyone, which is why you'll have a mix of incongruous artists on one iPod or what have you. And, obviously, that study is relying on the truthfulness of its users, and we know people never lie about their age, right?

Even so, conventional wisdom follows that people put a premium on their absolute necessities as they get older and devote much less time to keeping up with culture; food on table, paying bills, et cetera. To quote Abe Simpson:
>I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!

Nostalgia is a strong sentiment with most of us, so we get used to music being a certain way, and when it changes, it's deeply upsetting. The human ear develops differently depending on what it is exposed to. Music of two thousand years ago sounds terribly dissonant and strange to us, and ours likely would to them.

But another thing to consider: if people continued to create music within the same structure and instrumentation, how far do you think it could really stretch? A genre is merely an idiom that will eventually be exhausted no matter how many new trends arise.
No. 27841
I wouldnt call it lacking. Showmanship without substance is not really somethig to pine for. Which as I remember it, is essentially what was said. The German basically said that he is remembered for eating shit, which is pretty true. His music is notable because of who performed it rather than being a song like 'If the Kids are United' which exists as a phenomenon beyond Sham 69 themselves and is something of an anthem for a subculture decades after release.
No. 27842
I try to keep up with certain music genres just like I did as a teenager, but it's interesting that those albums don't become part of my identity any more. Even if the album is good, I usually forget about it after a week, and it just becomes one more title scratched off my backlog.
No. 27846
>His music is notable because of who performed it rather than being a song like 'If the Kids are United' which exists as a phenomenon beyond Sham 69 themselves and is something of an anthem for a subculture decades after release.

In that case, no Punk band will ever match The Sex Pistols, and I know this chaps the collective asses of the underground. People tend to hate them as "baby's first Punk" even though most will guiltily admit to buying Never Mind the Bollocks as their first Punk album. I certainly did, and I find that album better than The Clash's entire discography.

I like Sham 69, but I'm not so sure I buy that they're still a phenom or even had much of an impact beyond skinhead subculture. It might be more of an Anglo/Oz thing, but in America, they're mentioned considerably less than, say, Black Flag, Minutemen, Meat Men or Dead Kennedys.

Trouble is, Oi! is perhaps the single most self-contained genre within Punk. There isn't a whole lot of crossover with other genres except Ska and 2 Tone. Hardcore Punk, on the other hand, has tons of crossover with other genres, which is why GG Allin's influence is much more noticeable. Metal-Archives lists at least 80 different bands that have covered GG Allin. Sham 69, on the other hand, has exactly two bands that both covered "Borstal Breakout". Even Skrewdriver has been covered more on Metal-Archives.

Also, GG Allin has at least two documentaries made about him. Where's Sham 69's documentary?

>I try to keep up with certain music genres just like I did as a teenager, but it's interesting that those albums don't become part of my identity any more. Even if the album is good, I usually forget about it after a week, and it just becomes one more title scratched off my backlog.

Oh, of course. I'm always gormandizing extreme music of all stripes. If a genre had any particularly meaning to me (namely, Metal and Punk), then I'll keep up with whatever I can, although I find myself identifying with it much less these days. I almost took an entire year off Metal before returning to it later.

Overconsumption is dangerous, though. I once recall a copypasta from vierkanal that astonishingly holds up years later because people are people.

>/mu/ has no interest in music other than as social capital. They consume enough music that their ability to appreciate the art becomes atrophied and the main goal is to just listen to more obscure stuff.
>They are remarkably in love with off-kilter pop music for a board full of people who take pride in their passion for experimental music, and arguments here quickly devolve into interminable baiting between "it sucks" / "no, it's good" / "no, it sucks" because nobody has any basic knowledge of music theory or ability to articulate their opinions beyond "feels."
>The few informed listeners of academic music spend their time signaling to the rest of the board and use their taste as leverage to get fifteen minutes of online pseudo-notoriety.
>/mu/ consists of people who aren't as weird as they like to think but use their ample free time and piracy to invest in a hobby that makes them feel special or sophisticated, allowing them to compensate for their lack of social skills and failures in concrete or academic pursuits.
>The biggest irony is that the vast majority of /mu/ is a hivemind ruled by a handful of online tastemakers mostly concerned with maintaining a balance between supporting "alternative" pop that will appeal to misunderstood teenagers and maintaining street cred among bored college students who constantly torrent "experimental" music for their mild amusement, negating the cultivation of individual taste or critical thinking in relation to music.
>It's a feedback loop of posturing, masturbatory attitudes, and enough layers of irony to suffocate any hope of meaningful conversation. This last element--irony--is vital to allowing /mu/ and similar collectives to ignore the reality of their situation and disregard posts as this one with little more than tongue-in-cheek one-word responses.
>Deep down you all know you're going nowhere in life and this is all a farce.
No. 27847 Kontra
Speaking of Eddie Money, Czech RAC band Buldok recorded a song that disturbingly parallels "Take Me Home Tonight" right down to the saxophones:

Always makes me chuckle.
No. 27849 Kontra
And, on another completely different note, Daniel Johnston died a few days ago:

Was never a fan of his music, but the outsider weirdness fascinates me. One of his fans included Kurt Cobain.
No. 27850
Tbh, Pub Rock is the most influential origin of Oi and has a big fan crossover too. The Aussie scene is especially influenced by Rose Tattoo, Cold Chisel and so on, and one can never ignore the ironic role of Glam Rock. Yank Oi suffers greatly from having no pub culture and is kind of a joke imo. The narratives and backgrounds are too different in commonwealth countries for the American scene to do much more than ape.

Also, the difference between covers and influence is important. Songs can remain uncovered and be genre defining while they can also be covered to hell and back while just being songs. And the documentary thing goes back to him as a character more than it does his music.
No. 27853
>claiming that GG Allin accomplished nothing or had no talent is plainly untrue. And even the Aussie admits that GG was quite the showman

As the faggot kraut you were talking about i have to tell you that i cleary stated that GG Allin got attention for his live act and not his music which coincides to 100% with what is written above.
His music was still objectively bad. Tastes differ and some people like listening to objectively bad music but i don't.

I like watching objectively bad movies from time to time so i kinda understand why someone would listen to GG Allin.

But i guess there is no need to keep this discussion going, you have your opinion and i have mine and none of us will be able to change the opinion of the other person so just let us end it.
No. 27884
>Tbh, Pub Rock is the most influential origin of Oi and has a big fan crossover too. The Aussie scene is especially influenced by Rose Tattoo, Cold Chisel and so on, and one can never ignore the ironic role of Glam Rock. Yank Oi suffers greatly from having no pub culture and is kind of a joke imo. The narratives and backgrounds are too different in commonwealth countries for the American scene to do much more than ape.

>Also, the difference between covers and influence is important. Songs can remain uncovered and be genre defining while they can also be covered to hell and back while just being songs.

Again, America doesn't have that type of culture, so Oi! (and Pub Rock) made less of an impact. I recall once reading a description of Punk as Glam stripped of its glitter. Apt, but I'd say it applies more to '77-style Punk and Oi! than what would come to define the American scene. New York Dolls and Velvet Underground gave everyone a kick in the ass globally, but American Punk seems more based on Garage Rock (especially the bands now dubbed "Proto-Punk") which consequently explains how it evolved to be much more aggressive than their British counterparts.

No one's denying that certain songs set a template that others more or less ape (Doom Metal in its purest form is arguably derived entirely from "Into the Void", "Cornucopia" and "Under the Sun" by Black Sabbath, but much more is going on), but American Hardcore had a much greater impact globally than did Oi! despite a song like "Borstal Breakout" defining an entire genre. At last count, I totaled at least 155 different Metal acts have covered GG Allin (probably more because Metal-Archives doesn't always note each and every solitary cover), 90 of which are Black Metal. Obviously, those guys were more influenced by Hellhammer, Venom, Mercyful Fate, Discharge, et cetera, but Allin's influence on Extreme Metal is noteworthy even if it's by war of Hardcore Punk in general rather than him directly; a bit ironic considering that GG had no respect for Metal music. Even Black Flag, Dead Kennedys or Minor Threat have been covered less than GG despite pioneering the genre and commanding far more respectability.
No. 27896
Basic story of his life:


For his songs, you need to find out for yourself which ones you like, many are on youtube. Just put Satan Panonski in the search field.

His lyrics are mostly very sarcastic and against (the yugoslav socialist) society, against the typical bourgeois facades surrounding the nuclear family life, violence, drugs, fucked up sexuality, vanity, paranoia, etc.

Nuklearne Olimpijske Igre (Nuclear Olympic Games) is generally considered his best album out of 3 albums of his, all his best known songs (Lepi Mario, Iza Zida, Oci U Magli, Pioniri maleni) are on that album:

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No. 27910
I like many songs from GG

Bite it you scum
Needle up my cock
Die when you die

beri gusto
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No. 27920
Metalpunk Catalan, you are my greatest ally.
No. 27956
I like Spanish women so much. They have such a natural horniness. They love to get dirty and fuck dirty. Can Catalan bro make some pictures of Spanish girls attending metal-punk concerts?
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Oh, Rozz. Where would Goth be without you? In fact, I can't think of anything Gothier than Christian Death's Only Theatre of Pain. As much as I love The Cure, Siouxsie and company, there's something distinctly dark about Christian Death. Unlike their British contemporaries who owe more to Post-Punk with its smooth, silky and austere rhythms, these LA Goths sound much closer in spirit to fellow Californians Black Flag or Germs. Those Post-Punk basslines combined with Rikk Agnew's effect-soaked harmonics and noise over gnashing Hardcore Punk riffs. Shoegaze and Dreampop wish they had Christian Deathrock's atmosphere.

What will make or break this album for most people is Rozz Williams, whose campy lisp hovers somewhere between spoken and sung the entire time. In a way it's pretty fascinating: he uses the "sound" of words and slight intonations to function as vocal hooks, and there's kind of a subliminal melody in that. Ultimately it wouldn't be the same with more conventional vocals; the way Rozz licks his vowels makes perfectly clear the implications of disturbing absurdist lines like "talk about sugar on the six fingered beast / conversations about the holes in your hands." He even sneers about "mortals" at some point.

Bottom line: this fucking rocks and everyone should listen to it.
No. 28406
I've been digging Men I Trust's new album. There's a surprising divergence in styles across the tracks.


You may also know Matt Berry from his various acting roles but he does put together a decent album if you have low-expectations:
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About a week ago, Grade 2 released a new preview for their upcoming album. It's really fucken good tbh. It's fast, powerful and at just over 90 seconds long, doesn't overstay its welcome. The other song isn't bad neither. I'm looking forward to when the album drops on the 11th of next month tbh.

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I wouldnt call them oi. Id call them street punk which, while often used interchangeably, is not. The album is closer to Rancid and the Pistols than modern oi.
No. 28446
>The album is closer to Rancid and the Pistols
Fair enough. RYM treats Street Punk and Oi! as one and the same, but I distinctly remember the time they were considered separate genres. They're especially different when you consider aesthetics and production values. Street Punk tends to sound cleaner, melodic and more uptempo whereas Oi! sounds much grittier and aggro. The aesthetic differences are especially apparent in art style and fashion. Street Punk embraces leather jackets, patches, mohawks, liberty spikes and ransom letter font whereas Oi! is strictly flight jackets, boots and braces.

UK82 bands like The Exploited, The Varukers and G.B.H. tend to be lumped in with Street Punk based on aesthetics, but you can hear slight parallels when you compare The Casualties or Rancid to the aforementioned British bands.

Bands typically considered Street Punk: Rancid (as you mentioned), The Distillers, The Casualties, The Devotchkas, Peter and The Test Tube Babies, (early) Blitz, Infa-Riot, Major Accident, The Ejected, A Global Threat, Lower Class Brats

Man, this sent me back in time. I used to really love this kind of stuff, but listening to Riot Squad now feels hollow and unintentionally depressing. I think I'm due to relisten to these bands.
No. 28448 Kontra
For the sake of argument, we can even include Anti-Nowhere League in Street Punk. To me, We Are...The League stands head and shoulders above the rest. I don't think any Street Punk band will ever top them.

Polite kontra
No. 28452
>Oi! is strictly flight jackets, boots and braces.
Nah. Braces are super common but not mandatory regalia. Derby style boots again are most common, but monkey boots and brogues exist, especially once you get into suede territory.

Jackets are really broad though. To me, harries are more iconic than bombers. Im a field jacket guy myself though. Used to roll with harries when I was in colder climes though.
No. 28454
Als ob, listen to the Plan of Attack cover of Riot Squad that I posted a while back. Its breddy good, seeing them in a couple of weeks too.
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Wish more modern country music was like this.
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>Barbarasong from the Dreigroschenoper 1931 movie, performed by Carola Neher
The range of emotions portrayed in this small piece is overwhelming, from proud and smug Neher suddenly goes to weakened and inflamed by love.
I am obsessed by her performance, especially the "Nein" and "Tja" parts and the moment the whole atmosphere turns around.
Not to mention Neher's own tragic biography that haunts all of this. Being a communist herself, she exiled the third Reich just to die from Typhus in a soviet death-camp.
No. 28687

I found this sick Japanese album cycle a while ago, and I love it to death.
It has a good pace, no vocals, and it doesn't make me sick and dull like some other Japanese albums I love do.

Basically it's a collection of remixes and reworks. (From The Beatle's "Yesterday" to Chopin's 1st Ballad.)

I thought about trying to make a playlist and then streaming some of it on the chan radio.
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Following a long sequence of recommended videos eventually led me to these by Amigo The Devil. I listened for about 30 seconds and was hooked. The genre is murderfolk, and the lyrics straddle the line between morbid and comical.

Hell And You

I Hope Your Husband Dies
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Came across this good indie J-rock band last week, and I don't think I ever enjoyed something with a female singing in a long time.
Gonna post two songs from this album.
The first one is a bit repetitive, but that guitar riff at the start, it speaks to me. (I listen to it over and over again just because of that motif. It's really good.)
No. 29176
>Came across this good indie J-rock band last week, and I don't think I ever enjoyed something with a female singing in a long time.

Female vocals seem to work really well in Japanese, although I found track 2 a little too into that high-pitch thing they do. My example is an EP that always calms me - sounds almost Icelandic in its soft-tones:
No. 29284
English female vocals in punk and oi can be pretty kino too.
t. listening to Royal Oi!
No. 29458
I'd recommend giving a go to their Hi Fi Anatomia or Town Age albums. The latter has entrenched itself into my morning routine.
No. 29585
I listened to those too, but I linked this one, because I liked a track from that album the most, simple as.
No. 29869
Grade 2's new album is out. It's pretty different from their older stuff, but I like it.


Ramallah also released a new album recently which was p. good. Can't find a link that isn't youtube generated (and thus unavailable in most places) though. Again, quite different from their older stuff though. Has more melody to it than what they've done in the past.

Here's one of my favourite tracks from it, just in case it does work on your country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8btRSGFZlA
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What do you think of Frank Rennicke?

For those unaware, Frank Rennicke is a German Nationalist singer/songwriter who plays ballads and traditional German Folk songs as well as original material. He is also active in the Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (NPD) and even ran for President of Germany twice, of which he received a paltry 4 votes out of 1224 in 2009 and an even smaller count of 3 votes in the first and second ballot during the 2010.

Naturally, his songs are highly influenced by his politics with common themes including Nationalism, glorification of the NSDAP, xenophobia (especially towards Poles), anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism and anti-Americanism. His music was predictably indexed and some songs outright banned. In a twist of irony, Frank cites popular left-wing singer/songwriter Reinhard Mey as a continuing source of inspiration as well as Hannes Wader and Wolf Biermann.

Being a singer of music with controversial themes, Frank is no stranger of running afoul of the law. In November 2000, the Böblingen magistrates' court sentenced Frank to 10 months' imprisonment for sedition of the people (Volksverhetzung), for which he was granted parole. The Stuttgart state court overruled this decision, and on October 15, 2002, it sentenced Frank to 17 months' imprisonment, on eight counts of Volksverhetzung and for contravening the law forbidding the distribution of writings that may be harmful to young people. He was again granted parole.

In 2016, Bavarian police raided Frakn's home in connection to an illegal weapons case in Schöllnach. Police confiscated "weapons" from Frank's home which were later returned after having been revealed to be toy laser guns that likely belonged to one of his eight children:
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I don't understand how you can have serious discussions about all music genres in only one thread, there should be a separate thread for each genre to be able to get to informative in-depth conclusions

t. listening to Henry Cow
No. 29877
It's just the way it is. I've asked if we could have genre-specific discussions, but the general consensus is that it all belongs under one music thread unless the following is large enough to justify splitting it off into its own discussion.

I agree placing all music discussion under one roof tends to bottleneck discussion too tightly, but really, there's maybe a handful of Ernsts passionate about music.
No. 29923
I like his poland song, but he is faggot.
Are you from germany?
No. 29995
Cringeworthy garbage.
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Recently I've been listening to FPM again and it still holds up pretty well. The cross between Shibuya-kei (Japanese retail pop), house music and trip-hop gives it a unique sound that I didn't get at 16.


>Every video features smoking

It was a different time.

I prefer it this way. Ernsts are exposed to different music and the board is slow enough that nothing is lost.
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Had this song stuck in my heda all day. Dunno if non-commonwealth Ernsts even have the cultural baggage of the name, but it's essentially an ultra campy postwar radio show about a Royal-Commando-turned-secret-agent foiling devilish plots to destroy Britain. They made a few (bad in a kind of good way) movies and a TV series in the 70s too.

Frankie Flame - Dick Barton
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Does anyone know the song from this webm? I guess its some basque punkband.
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Can anyone identify this track? It's fairly generic jam rock but I find it really relaxing. Good background music to have on while doing other stuff.
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It has merit because Haemorrhage are from Madrid.

Salute to them
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Haemorrhage covering another mythical punk band: IV Reich

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Just bought a ticket to see The Exploited next year. Should be breddy good. Going to see the Rejects next week too. Now if The Oppressed were to announce a tour down here, it'd be top ebin.
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Gijensu - Need For Lead - ISM001
https://soundcloud.com/ismusberlin/gijensu-need-for-lead-ism001 - Upcoming EP by Gijensu, my favorite techno artist!

Also RAWC2: https://rawppl.bandcamp.com/
No. 30919
started listening to Silver Jews lately. they're pretty good. idk why I waited so long to check them out
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King Crimson - Starless

How many bands can say they released such great music 50 years after their first release?
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They'd always been on my periphery but the dune coon vibes put me off, yet i finally gave it a listen and low and behold, its bloody noice.
Like a more coherent Coil, it's less Allah Akbar, more Gysin and Burroughs smoking hashish in Interzone.
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this entire channel is a goldmine of hilariously good mashups
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> dat guitar intro

goosebumps every time
No. 31164
Holy shit
No. 31260
So, we have an Ernst vom Hong Kong, but he only checks in every so often and I haven't seen him participating in the music thread. Maybe some of you other lot know a thing about the music scene in HK, though.

I just stumbled upon Tzusing in my music library, remembering how I was fascinated by this artifact about two years ago. Having spend some time learning about the history of HK lately and developing an interest in their unique mix of chinese and british culture, I'm really curious right now what sort of music come from this place. Also what is being listened to, but mostly what music is created there. Anyone got some insight?
No. 31455
Holy fuck. Plan of Attack killed it, finishing their set with their brilliant cover of Riot Squad. As for the Rejects, and doubts that I had about them are well and truly dismissed. They fucking brought it hard. The energy was bonkers and the crowd was feeling it. The mosh was going off, even in spite of the relatively small turnout and had an awesome mix of old skins (in their 50s) and us younguns.

11/10. Seriously. Go see the Rejects if you have the opportunity before they retire.
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Sounds like a good night
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Yeah it was great. Only regret was not finishing my first beer quicker, Plan of Attack ran out of the shirt design that I wanted (pic related in black) and the From a Band Down Under comp which is an awesome album just before I got to the front of the line. Did get some Rejects merch though, so it wasn't a total bust.
No. 31480
Eh, hate it when you can't get your tshirts.
Whats the deal with the crucified skinhead motif? i see it all over the place but i'm not cool enough to know what the fuck its about
No. 31481
It's a really old school motif for the idea of being socially crucified for doing what you want to do. So things like being thrown under the bus by the mainstream media, being refused entry into pubs and venues and shit like that on the low end, up to losing work or getting bashed by the ignorant on the other end. Essentially a symbol of solidarity against the haters.
No. 31482 Kontra
Oh yeah, it also got coopted by nazi fuckwits who treat it in their usual "I can't believe they get mad when I say I want to gas the jews and have a race war" way.

As for shirts, yeah it's disappointing but they're a local band. I'll probably see them again sometime and maybe they'll do another run of shirts. Next major gig is The Exploited in March though and that'll be breddy fun too.
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Today I think I will listen to the new Swans album.
No. 32087
Hm. I'm noticing that the "2010s acclaimed music" part of my backlog is almost entirely fantanocore.
I wonder if he's really that influential in music buff circles.
No. 32106
He’s very popular among young people however it’s not “cool” to admit you value Fantano’s opinions and curation.
No. 32156
Don't give a toss about him one way or the other. His taste in Metal is shit, though.

What have The Exploited's setlists been like? Are they going through their old favorites or are they focusing on their Metal songs?
No. 32166
Most of the older bands have been doing older stuff. Rejects were all from their first 3 albums for example.

I think that the upcoming one is an anniversary tour, so I am expecting a lot of old school UK82 since it is what they are iconic for.

March is a big month though. Going to a ska concert too.
No. 32175
Re: Punk bands that go Metal.

Everybody likes to shit on Wild Ones, but that album wasn't half bad. It wouldn't please diehard Oi! fans or even metalheads, but the music is competent NWOBHM. Quiet Storm, on the other hand, was an abortion. That was embarrassing from track to track. Who told them to do AOR ballads? Lethal was just weak and pedestrian, but not horrendous.
No. 32194
So I just listened to these songs that were changed from major to minor key:

They actually sound really good. The Nirvana song sounds completely different (in a very good way). It sounds like indie rock with bossa nova elements. I had a good laugh at it.
No. 32195 Kontra
from major to minor key (and vice versa)
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>John Maus - ...And the Rain (Live on KEXP)

While starting to clean my flat (I've come quite far but there's still quite a bit of work ahead of me) I listened through my playlist.
At some point I proceeded with listening to John Maus again and this version of "...And the Rain" really hit me bad.
When I discovered his music at the beginning of the year, it was the most painful time in my life so far. I remember how this crystal-like synth-sounds seemed to echoe and at the same time to purify my feelings of misery and self-hate.
This version is especially intense for some reason (maybe also because of the drums being stronger than in the original), I quite envy the american who saw him live.
Now that I'm in a way better mental state I can go back in time distanced and see myself crying in a state of absolute terror, guilt and pain and feel like it's been a necessary catharsis I went through throughout the year. This song plays part in making it all look like a whole process.
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>While starting to clean my flat (I've come quite far but there's still quite a bit of work ahead of me) I listened through my playlist.
At some point I proceeded with listening to John Maus again and this version of "...And the Rain" really hit me bad.
>When I discovered his music at the beginning of the year, it was the most painful time in my life so far. I remember how this crystal-like synth-sounds seemed to echoe and at the same time to purify my feelings of misery and self-hate.
>This version is especially intense for some reason (maybe also because of the drums being stronger than in the original), I quite envy the american who saw him live.

In my opinion that album holds up well. I still listen to it sometimes during my morning commute. There is something about his compositions that is really validating in an existential sense. When I hear “Head for the Country” in the 6AM dark while driving to 7/11 I feel somehow assured of my own humanity and being in the world. Seeing him live was great. The energy of the performance started out high and never let up. Very intense.

>Now that I'm in a way better mental state I can go back in time distanced and see myself crying in a state of absolute terror, guilt and pain and feel like it's been a necessary catharsis I went through throughout the year. This song plays part in making it all look like a whole process.

I am impressed by the clarity of your autobiographical reflections. Whenever I attempt to describe trends in my emotional state over time I feel like I end up inventing many of the details and causal relationships (trauma X caused me to experience mental state Y, and so on—how could I know this was the case? Can I truly remember how I felt during any event after it has occurred?) I think this is why I never got anywhere with therapy or psychoanalysis: I never had any faith in my recollections, and producing a reliable narrative for examination felt impossible. However I can definitely relate to your association of a period of emotional turmoil with a particular song or artist. For instance, because I was introduced to the song around the same time I went on a miserably awkward date in middle school, I associate Deerhunter - Helicopter with rejection, loss of face, longing, and spurned advances.
No. 32213
Funny, I just listened to "Bennington" and couldn't help but laugh. I'm an unironic fan of Vanilla Ice, so seeing Cool As Ice set as the backdrop to that track was a hoot. The footage that serves as the music video combined with the song's characteristically icy synth tones and beat captures that fleeting sense of 80s emotion and optimism.

Can't say I'm a fan of John Maus's other songs, but I'll spin "Bennington" once in a while. Could never get through a full length album of his as it's too far removed from what I'm accustomed to.

"Hey Moon" reminds me of Heaven's Gate wanting to transport aboard the spaceship trailing the Hale-Bopp Comet. When Maus sang about the moon as his friend, I feel that keen sense of alienation and yearning to go somewhere beyond this mortal realm for salvation felt among those true believers. Alternately, the tones of that song would be the perfect soundtrack to a cult leader orchestrated a mass suicide.
No. 32214
>Funny, I just listened to "Bennington" and couldn't help but laugh. I'm an unironic fan of Vanilla Ice, so seeing Cool As Ice set as the backdrop to that track was a hoot. The footage that serves as the music video combined with the song's characteristically icy synth tones and beat captures that fleeting sense of 80s emotion and optimism.

I may be wrong but I think that music video is fan made, not official. Not that I'm complaining: I like that Cool as Ice music video for the reasons you enumerated, and also some of the other popular fan made John Maus music videos on youtube. For instance there's a really trippy sequence from a Hindu children's show set to "Keep Pushing On" here:

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Seether has performed some great covers:

Nirvana cover- You Know You're Right

Thrice cover- Black Honey

Deftones cover- Change(In the House of Flies)

STP cover- Creep

George Michael cover- Careless Whisper
No. 32303
Unsolved Metal Mysteries: Red War

This one's dedicated to my fellow traveler in extreme music Metalpunk Catalan.

Quite some time ago, a Death Metal band called Red War appeared on Myspace controversially claiming to hail from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The sole release, a demo titled Red War, featured three songs called "War with USA", "Stop Imperialism" and "Painful Hate Until Death". Riffwise, the music sounded like early '90s Death Metal in the vein of Cannibal Corpse, Malevolent or Baphomet with the muffled basement quality production strongly suggesting the material was recorded as a demo.

At its face, the purported origins of the band would not only demand the listener accept the musicians behind this project would have access to the internet beyond the intranet that operates in DPRK, but also the idea such musicians would be granted the time by Dear Leader to listen to and compose music as controversial as Death Metal, pro-regime lyrics notwithstanding. Western music is banned wholesale in the DPRK, and it strains the imagination a genre of music championing death, gore and graphic violence would be given a generous exception. Their audience certainly would not consist of native North Koreans.

Moreover, the lyrics are entirely in English. That language is only learned by the highest officials and most trusted advisers of Dear Leader. In the song "Stop Imperialism" (fast forward to 8:06), a trained ear can clearly hear the vocalist grunting, "Open your stomach and rip out your guts." Stopping imperialism, my ass.

So the question remains as to where did this music originate from. To me, the material was lifted from another band and then passed off as a fictional North Korean Death Metal band. The release would have been issued sometime before 2010, and if the production values are any indication, the music likely was recorded in the '90s. Attempts to query the only audible lyrics into Metal-Archives search engine yielded leads that never panned out.

Any ideas?
No. 32313
I've been binging on Viagra Boys the last few days. (Post-)Punk with some jazz elements, really catchy lyrics.

The hit:
The runner-up:
The ballad:
No. 32408
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Hi sexy, I say the same as you. Sound is completely 90s, much probably was a demo in the vein, there were quite a bit of that bands.

On a completely different side, I'm listening to social rappers from here. Two of them have severe problems with Spanish "law" because they told things the system did not want to hear.

They have lots of guts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EXMptaK4-U Ciniko is AFAIK not one of them but this song is killer. Big social message.
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This is one of the moments when knowing Spanish is nice

"Sons of the working class"
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They are addressing to the police
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This person is facing a prison sentence, he's being declared guilty because of his lyrics. He's 100% commitment.

No. 32421
Can you summarize the messages of some of these songs? I have no idea what kinds of issues social rappers would talk about in Spain (expect for retarded lese majeste laws).

What did Pablo Hasel say in particular that pissed off the authorities?
No. 32428
live performance of Amethyst Deceivers by Coil from their Vienna 2002 set


really wish I could have been there
No. 32486
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How the fuck do you want me to feel spanish
If the judges of the National Audience [1] still sing "Cara al sol" [2]
Little disobedience a lot of alcohol tourism
And a fascism that essentially is out of control
As Alvert Rivera [3]
As Raul Albiol [4]
So you expect me to feel Spanish
To take out the flag when playing the National Team
With pride of nation
When someone scores a goal
And what nation
Like the one that sells weapons to Israel and that the child croaks
And are saved by participating in a procession
Because in Holy Week they are so devoted
And they love it
Appearing in the photos
The National Audience raises the possibility of votes
Their seat enlarges like their pocket yours is broken
And Encarnas [5] son playing with his motorcycle

[1] successor of Franco's Public Order Tribunal.
[2] Falange's hymn, a Fascist party very related to Franco
[3] Anti Catalan and philo fascist politician. Addicted to cocaine
[4] Soccer player I think
[5] A typical Spanish Castillian name

This is just one minute of song. More info another day phew
No. 32562
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>How the fuck do you want me to feel spanish
I assume he doesn't edit his own Wikipedia page, lol.

It seems ridiculous to me that this is happening in a liberal Western country. Being shamed to social death over your words, sure, and I know in Europe it's common to illegalize certain far-right things like Holocaust denial. But going to prison for sedition?

Spain is a very weird mix of hyper-liberalism and pre-WW2 instinctive nationalism.
No. 32563 Kontra
Well, not so much for sedition, but as far as I'm aware "apologia for terrorism" falls well within the realm of free speech in most Western countries. I can certainly shill for the IRA and PKK as much as I want without worrying about anything more than my hire-ability.
No. 32586
Spain isn't really a Western liberal democracy in the sense that the rest of us are. You seem to forget they lived under Francoism for decades which was the sole surviving member of the fascist axis because Franco wasnt retarded enough to openly ally with them. This is probably also why there are such strong Socialist sentiments there because of it being a reaction to Francoism.
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You understand why we want to get out of that shit country right?


Well in order to stay on topic, I found that song the other day, it's super commie but it's very nice
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And the music courtesy of patriot, currently politician and super famous artist Lluís Llach


In this video from today he sings in the road block
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More music from the Tsunami road block. Yes there's a scenario in the middle of the road.

This gentleman is singing with a balaclava because he could face an important fine and it's better to be safe

Not to mention this is pure art
No. 32615
>You understand why we want to get out of that shit country right?
My great-grandfather's family came from a small village in Andalusia. Two brothers moved to America, one became a doctor and moved to Barcelona, and the other went full fascist and got killed fighting Russians outside Leningrad.

Gracias bisabuelo. I would like to visit my distant cousins in Barcelona once its free, though.
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I've been really in love with a particular brand of folk recently, I guess you could call it something along the lines of atmospheric folk. What's interesting is that some bands make it sound bland, but with the right artist it's transcendental. Bands with that sound I've been really into include Rúnahild, Wöljager and Vàli.

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New (Dolch) album dropped this week. Bit more mellow this time from what I've listened to already, better recording quality too (the lack of which was the charm of their earlier stuff, still good shit). Still sounding kinda Urfaust-y too.

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just found this nardwuar interview in which the mars volta mention hearing rumors of Peter "Sleazy" Christopherson of Coil being a nonce

much to think about

No. 33814 Kontra

maybe check this out, some tracks are pretty gud. i am not a huge fan of vocals.
No. 33886
now that the whole ISIS/ISIL thing is over I think we can admit that saleel al sawarim was actually a pretty good song
No. 33888
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Some new stuff by Liturgy/Hunter Hunt-Hendrix:


It's quite similar to previous albums, but there are some new variations; about as good as transcendental black metal gets I guess.
No. 33894
It's not. It's always been one of my least favorite nasheeeds.
Have you somehow forgotten the hundreds of ISIS detainees who escaped and fled detainment in the wake of Turkey's invasion
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Anyone here into The Gathering?

Mandylion has always been my favorite album of theirs and one of my favorite Rock albums of all-time. Anneke van Giersbergen is a gifted singer and ideal for the type of music The Gathering was aiming for.

I'm always quipping with others over how to define them. While faint hints of their old days as a Death/Doom band crept in, I'm still not quite convinced this is truly a Gothic album in spite of the Ethereal Wave influences from Dead Can Dance or Cocteau Twins. For one, it's actually a rather warm and energetic album in spite of the depressing subject matter lyricized on "In Motion" and "Sand and Mercury". Lush and passionate are not qualities I would normally associate with Gothic music.

I question even its metalness at times. The more I think about it, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to call this Post-Metal, especially a song like "Sand and Mercury" with its deep atmosphere. Alternative Metal doesn't fit because the album lacks the Grunge and Funk influences despite some of the Hard Alternative riffs heard here and there, but it does feature elements that would sound right at home on a heavier Post-Rock album.

Atmospheric Rock sadly isn't a category because that would most aptly describe Mandylion.
No. 34177
I really enjoy New Age/Ambient like this:


There's something about it that's really calming and allows me to clear my mind which I don't get with most other music, even if it's other types of ambient.
No. 34187
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Thinking about buying some Joué; Daft Punk said it's the best thing they had and they now use two of them. I'm not D Punk and that would be a costly toy for just toying around but I'm tempted. I have shitons of instruments but this one would complete my collection.
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>but this one would complete my collection.

You don't really believe this?

what gear do you have and what are you doing with it?
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Have we talked about the album Palm Mall Mars before?
It's so depressing yet comforting at the same time for some reason.

The Beatles tried to capture the sounds of a revolution in a soundpiece, but this one captures reality in a sense.
You hear random, meaningless phrased by honey-voices announcers, as the generic sounds of hundreds if not thousands of people reach your ears. The buzzing of the elevator, the escalator.
It's all there. If it wasn't for the bit of music, this would be just a 1 hour mix of mall sounds from the US, Germany and Japan. And even if it was just that, I'd be genius.
The avantgarde of our era, truly.
No. 34242
Indeed you have.
No. 34244
The Conservative parties official youtube account has made a Boriswave video. The world's gone bananas.

Lately I've been enjoying soft and lighthearted Polish folk written while at the seaside:
No. 34258
Listen to Aokigahara by Flowers for Bodysnatchers. It is broadly similar with cityscape field recordings but takes a much darker tone of urban decay and suicide. Its ebun.
No. 34321
Yeah, sames. Should listen to it more often again.

Also once again recommending Hiroshi Yoshimura, my all time favourite in terms of (japanese) New Age/Ambient
No. 34327
Piracy on a mobile phone is the worst kind of piracy due to the unstable nature of charging and using WiFi
Also played sum piano
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>Sol Invictus - Believe Me

And without love, we are lost
Believe me, we are lost
Without love, we are dust
Believe me, we are dust

Without love, we lose our souls
And mine had left long ago
The gods above and the gods below
Believe me, believe me

This chorus definitely ranks among the most emotional and melancholic ones in Neofolk. Can some Ernst recommed me more stuff in this direction, like only really sad and heartachy stuff?
I know most of the classics but the sheer amount of groups and songs in Neofolk is quite overwhelming to me. You don't need to list any David Tibet stuff though, as I'm all over his work anyways.
No. 34393
Just buy a refurbished thinkpad or something
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Top lel it’s actually true.
Is UK politics really just about who can come up with the sickest banter to roast their opposition and make/be the most idiotic meme?
No. 34457
Pretty much. Everyone knows what each party is about, so all that's left is shit flinging and optics
No. 34469
Boris is and always has been a walking meme. Apparently it's how you win at life in general considering all the shagging he's done.

We also export our madness:
No. 34575
A. Why the hell are Poles singing in English?
B. This kind of music symbolizes perfectly to me the terrifying and depressing cultural moment in which we live. Within that upbeat music, possessed of the shallowest sincerity and no depth of human emotion; within that wavering voice of clumsy, desperate, failed yearning for soul, is contained the purest embodiment of the decline of the West.

Poles have much better folk music. This is the shit I put on when playing pagans in CKII:
No. 34576
And of course, the best folk music is from Mongolia:
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Samurai Spirit Skinheads (SSS) are Japanese skinheads who have deep ties of their native nationalist movements. The Werewolfen compilation from 1995 by Vulture Rock Records / Steve Priest Fan Club highlighted their scene and movement which consequently earned them international fandom. Perhaps the most famous of the SSS bands is Sledge Hammer, whose name struck a chord with wider audiences as being very similar to Skrewdriver. The band transformed from the Japanese interpretation of British Oi! towards whiskey-fueled Heavy Rock on 日本狼 (Wolves of Japan) with songs as influenced by Motörhead as they were by Skrewdriver.

Japanese skinheads were influenced by the Nazi imagery and nationalist / right-wing politics coming from the British, European, and American RAC scenes. They felt it was logical to identify and be “allied with” white right-wing skinheads from around the world - just as Hitler’s Germany allied with Japan in World War II. A lot of the early SSS bands were intensely nationalist, some even describing themselves as “Nazi skinheads”!

The SSS bands’ lyrics certainly deal with patriotic, nationalist, and even somewhat xenophobic subjects. There is little, if any, outright racism evidenced in SSS like their Western brethren. In no small part due to the language barrier and intrigue from Westerners in the orient trying their hand at Western music, these bands have gained traction from traditional non-political skinheads around the world. The varying right-wing skinhead factions accepted them to greater and lesser extents, too. Bound For Glory even toured Japan within this decade.

Most of these bands perform Oi! with a Japanese flair, but others like Ikazuchi or Raiya play blazing fast and furious Hardcore Punk.

Various Artists - Werewolfen: The Japanese Skinhead Compilation featuring Bull the Buffalos, Bad Vultures, Cannons, 鐵槌 (Tetsui / Sledgehammer), 桜花 (Ouka) and 雷 (Ikazuchi)

Various Artists - 狼の宴 (Wolf Party) featuring 鐵槌 (Tetsui / Sledgehammer), 桜花 (Ouka), 雷矢 (Laiya / Raiya), Growl Strike, Aggro Knuckle and Eastern Youth:

雷 (Ikazuchi):

桜花 (Ouka):

Growl Strike:

Bull the Buffalos:

鐵槌 (Sledge Hammer):

雷矢 (Raiya / Laiya):

仁籟 (Jinrai):

Eastern Youth:

Strong Style:


Bad Vultures:

The Hawks:

Aggro Knuckle:

Cropped Men:

壬生狼 (Miburo):
No. 34604 Kontra
>intrigue from Westerners in the orient trying their hand at Western music

That is, Western fans of Rock music intrigued by Oriental analogues to traditionally Western genres of music. The original sentence read as if these were composed by Westerners living in Japan which isn't the case. That came out kind of awkward.

Polite kontra
No. 34608
I recall you mentioning that you liked Necro once before. Are you at all into Esham? That guy was the pioneer of Horrorcore:

Satan, hell, serial killers and more.
No. 34612
If you style off of nazis, you're not a skin. Simple as that. Skins were Rude far before a bunch of weak faggots went the wrong way. Boneheads give us all a bad name, and deserve every kick in the teeth that they get. The whole ultranationalist thing are really just a bunch of bent cunts funded by the NF back in the day as a propaganda tool anyway. Nothing natural about it.

Japanese skins exist, but their scene has gone native at this point and is heavily bosozoku influenced.
No. 34615
Okay Roddy Moreno. Skinheads may not have inherently been a Nationalist subculture, but to claim the "Spirit of '69" was some anti-racist standard fuck party is stupid, too. Here's a fascinating article about the Tilbury Trojan Skinheads, a group known for their affiliation with the band Angela Rippon's Bum as well as the staunchly xenophobic Anti-Paki League. Believe it or not, the APL had no formal ties to the National Front or British Movement. It was entirely grassroots xenophobia. Anyone who can tell me the original skinheads were anti-racist is lying. They may not have been Nazis, but they far from racially tolerant, especially to Indians/Pakistanis:

You can see how such sentiments would give rise to Nationalism. The watershed moment was an incident at a concert for The 4-Skins, The Business and The Last Resort in Southall during July of 1981. Two years earlier, police killed Anti-Nazi League activist Blair Peach in a riot instigated by the demonstrators, so racial tensions at a fever pitch. Accounts conflict as to who instigated it. The bands conceded the skinheads and South Asians weren't getting along, but maintain the the response was greatly out of proportion with the trouble the skinheads were causing them. On the other side, the South Asian locals claimed some of the skinheads assaulted women and elderly people, engaged in property destruction / vandalism and daubed National Front slogans on shop windows. The locals protested the gig on wrongful suspicion the bands were far-right and subsequently rioted, burning down the venue in the process. Following that incident, The 4-Skins recorded a song "One Law for Them".
No. 34621
You're right it wasn't anti-racist. Race didn't really come into it back then, Jamaicans weren't accepted because they were black, or in spite of it, but because they were in the same boat. In fact, most of the openly anti-racist shit came about after fuckwits started sucking down fascist semen and becoming sellouts.

At its core it's about the working class, and trying to expand that to being about some masturbatory race war is a betrayal of that. The enemy is most often of the same skin colour, wearing a suit or a uniform while those in the trenches with you will just as often be foreigners. It's quite possible to be very patriotic without being nationalist and/or racist scum. A few incidents getting out of hand during a transitional period (the handover between the old guard and the second wave) doesn't really change that.

Also tbh, I'd rather be Roddy Moreno than some nazi wanker. I actually like The Oppressed.

No. 34623 Kontra
Also. One Law for Them is not aimed squarely at foreigners. It also takes aim at incidents where the police cause trouble, being a song more about 'them' in the sense of "not us" rather than just "not h'wite" as you seem to imply.
No. 34628 Kontra
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Also currently listening to ans MDB.

No. 34629
I never said it was solely about non-whites or even about non-whites primarily. It's really a song about the injustice in failing to apply the law equally, which is more or an indictment of authority than troublemaking foreigners.

Anyways, Penny Rimbaud > Roddy Moreno
No. 34631
Rimbaud is deeper, but Moreno resonates more with me. I'm an angry guy. Angry at the system for fucking me, angry at authoritarians for praising it and angry at fuckwits in my scene for ruining it for the rest of us.

Sorry if I came off harsh. Nazi skins are a sore point of mine because their bullshit affects me directly on a daily basis.
No. 34633
I don't know what's in the man's heart, but from the impression I got of Roddy in interviews, he comes across as somewhat of a Bolshevik. He could be more nuanced than that, but people who join up with the likes of Antifa strike me as common thugs hiding behind grand idea. Same problem I've had with left-wing Punks of all kinds (be they squatting Anarchists or Socialist skinheads) who're just as authoritarian as the right-wingers they claim to despise. Yes, the same can be said for many on the right (and yes, RAC skins are absolutely no exception), but that doesn't excuse such behavior from the left.

Any interviews you liked with Roddy? I know the one he did with the BBC.

I like Penny because he makes you think. And yes, I identify with his elitist sensibilities in spite of liking the bands he dislikes (Discharge, The Exploited, et cetera). Despite my own personal beliefs at odds with much of the Anarchist Punk scene, I admired their consistency in principles:

My favorite responses.

>Gavin: I know you’re bored of talking about Crass but I can’t resist. In the song “Systematic Death” we hear “System system system, force him to crawl.” Don’t babies learn to crawl on their own?

>Penny: Yes, babies do learn to crawl, and then they learn to walk, run, hop, skip and jump. And if they do that with too much joy and enthusiasm, it’s not uncommon for them to have their feet kicked away from beneath them by parents, teachers, preachers, politicians, bullies, beasts and bigot bosses, or maybe they’re just force-fed Ritalin or some other chemical kosh. Either way, within the system of social control practiced by the western ‘democracies,’ the boss class likes to ensure that we crawl in groveling deference to their pitiful handouts. It’s the only way that they can maintain their control.

>Gavin: Do you still think the Clash were “trash”?

>Penny: Largely speaking, yes. Their music was no better than your average rock’n'roll, but their politics were archetypal trendy leftist whitewash, which for all its bravado did little but dis-empower and disillusion a body of youth who deserved (and expected) better.

>Gavin: Sure big business has its faults but they don’t throw you in jail when you don’t pay them. It’s illegal not to pay the government. How do these anarchists reconcile the fact that most of their plans involve more regulation AKA more government power?

>Penny: I’m not really sure how you came up with your count. Certainly the majority of people who either live at or visit Dial House are politically left of center, but I don’t really understand how you see so many of them specifically as ‘socialists.’ Before the ‘New World Order’ undermined any real sense of working class community in the western (so called) democracies, the unions played an important part in protecting working people from suffering the indignities of outright slavery that the ruling class appear to consider their right to impose on others (either industrially or militaristically). In those days, and in that respect, socialism had some real meaning and political clout, but now that most industrial activity is in the Far East, it ceases to have much to offer: working communities have collapsed, leaving impoverished, bankrupt voids like Detroit, but still the ruling classes strut around celebrating their wealth at the cost of the many. And no, big businesses don’t throw you in jail if you don’t pay them, they just send the bailiffs round to tear apart your home, or they sack you if you complain about working absurdly long hours for their slave wages, or they shoot you down if you object to their plunder of resources – the callous contempt of capitalism.
>You also seem to be missing the point that, increasingly, western governments are at the beck and call of the multi corporations, not that this is anything new (check out Standard Oil’s despicable record with Nazi Germany). Was Iraq fought over in the interests of the American people, or those of the corporations who benefit so much by exploiting them? Are the Chinese sweatshops operating for the benefit of the American working classes, or their capitalist, corporate bosses? The days of political power as a force are over (if indeed they ever existed). Politics are led by, controlled by and sustained by corporate interests. The days of ‘people’ are over.
No. 34634
He's more nuanced than the antifa that people often criticise. Think more of AFA in the 90s than American Antifa c.201X

Tbh, while I don't claim it, I fuck with antifa if the situation is right. I don't agree with everything they say, but there are good people there who do actually just give a shit about punching nazis, and none of the modern sexuality politics and crap. I find absolutely nothing wrong with brownshirting the brownshirts though, so ymmv.

The BBC one answers most of the same questions as the rest that have floated on blogs and zines for years now. The man's consistent, so you won't get much more than reworded answers saying the same thing.

As for being Bolshevik, he's never really claimed Communist leanings, despite being openly quite socialist in some of the themes of his music. I honestly just get more radical social democratic leanings from him. He doesn't bash the democratic system or the free market so much as he bashes the aspects of it that have been turned into oppressive tools by the elite (he doesn't seem to have anything against people having a fair say at the booth, nor against people making an honest wage, just that the fair say actually be fair, and the honest wage be honest and dignified).

He is just pretty rabidly anti-fascist and doesn't shy away from class pride. He also tends to separate between SHARP and AFA different virtues regarding militancy. If you're going to claim SHARP, don't fencesit an claim to be apolitical (essentially back it up and don't accept right-wing politics in music but cry about left-wing politics). If you're going to claim AFA, then be ready to actually be active about it. He even owns the fact with Antifa Hooligans. If you're just about not being racist yourself and keeping scum out of your scene, then SHARP is where you want to be though, at least that's how he sees it.

There's a couple of short docos on youtube that you might like though on some of the lesser known scenes. The first one features The Bois who have worked closely with Moreno a few times before though.

No. 34665
I don't have a great impression of the guy from your description, but I will watch those docs you linked. I will part with one comment. Make of it what you will.

>The enemy is most often of the same skin colour, wearing a suit or a uniform while those in the trenches with you will just as often be foreigners.

Strange to me that skinheads, black and white, would both gleefully go out Paki bashing long before the NF would get involved:

My relatives would tell me of the Pakistani shopkeepers who'd have their stores stolen from by the '70s equivalent of Chavs, skinheads and the like. I don't think those shopkeepers were that much richer than the working class folk they sold to, and they certainly didn't have much in the way of political clout. To me, this all suggests white socialist British skinheads accepted blacks immigrants because they were westernized whereas Pakistanis and Indians passively (and others far more actively) resisted integrating with British culture. To my knowledge, there isn't a single Pakistani on this planet who was a skinhead during the Spirit of '69. Obviously, Pakistanis raise their families far more strictly than blacks from Jamaica or the West Indies, but the incentive for Pakis to go Skin simply wasn't there. Exceptions don't break the rule. There was the RAR-affiliated band Alien Kulture, but they were Pakistani Punks, not Skins. Shit like this is the reason I don't buy class consciousness as a political theory.

Side note: I once thought of writing a story about a Pakistani Oi! band called The Bashing Pakis. Wouldn't know how to flesh it out, but it'd make for a great comic at least.

And in other news, someone tried earnestly arguing with me that Black Metal was defined by atmosphere rather than riffs. I don't know if the young'uns have been listening to too much Blackgaze or Atmoblack like Myrkur, Deafheaven or their only frame of reference is Burzum or I Shalt Become (they could just be ignorant Black Metal's evolution or just musically illiterate), but that claim is just patently wrong on every count. As I so lovingly explained here >>24233 riffs are literally what define Metal of all genres. Production values, aesthetics and other aspects are secondary to compositional grammar.
No. 34667
A lot of why Jamaicans were in but Pakistanis weren't was distribution. Jamaicans tended to be in the same areas as the white kids while the Pakistanis grouped together more. Not a blanket thing but broadly speaking.

There are also lots of things that complicate the history of the scene, especially in the 70s and first half of the 80s. It's when you started to get the first big wave of football hooliganism for starters, but more importantly that's the first wave, when it was less unified as a culture. It was kids dressing cool and having fun. Depending on the individual that fun could range from roaming the streets being a nuisance to being an obnoxious little faggot hassling innocent people, oftentimes influenced by the likes of Joe Hawkins, who despite really being a despicable person, was a despicable person in a way that appealed to the kids of the time and was 'cool'.

I think that's where the confusion comes in. The way that a skinhead traces their lineage now, navigates the confusion of that interregnum between the post-punk skin scene and the original one by essentially seeing the confusion as growth pains. You had the explosive combination of hooliganism, disaffected youth with bad rolemodels, and social upheaval. The scene has moved on from there a long time ago, and if someone tried it today, they wouldn't be making many friends. You also need to remember that for every big thing that kicked off, there were dozens of other times that people just went about their business with shaved heads. I mean, Skinhead has always been a victim of the media. They're like the ultimate expression of kids running wild.
No. 34671
Sounds like one incoherent mess.

On another note, what do you think of Metal? Not necessarily Extreme Metal, but just Metal in general.
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I like metal. I like most music tbh.

There isn't really anything that I refuse to listen to beyond basic bitch pop (because it's kind of grating). Hell, I used to work with a guy with a degree in music who would put on symphonies and crap during lunch service. I learned a lot about them tbh. I also work with a sound engineer who puts on electronic music and a part-time tattoo artist who just listens to hip hop. I'm kind of lucky that my kitchen crew is mostly interesting people.

I liked this album a lot. It's an interesting side project by one of the guys from Forefather, an Anglo-Saxon Metal band. This is the best song in my opinon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyVeoEfTAU which is Bird on a Briar (Bryd One Brere) with lyrics inspired by the hill figures in Sussex.
No. 34674 Kontra
Also, it kind of is an incoherent mess. It's why the older guys are so important. Well, they're usually the ones who get us into the scene to begin with (a lot of stories start with seeing an older skin and thinking that he was the peak of cool), but they also carry the lore that lets the scene stay alive and know its roots. I know that the Brisbane skins have lore based on how the local punk rock scene worked in the 80s, and how Brisbane was the most conservative at the time, so things really kicked off with the punks and skins vs the authorities. The story is pretty closely tied with the story of the local punks and British immigrants with smaller influences from the sharpies (an Australian subculture that rose around the same time). Also tends to have a strong pub culture like the Brits compared to the more street-oriented American style.
No. 34675
Yep, I know Forefather pretty well. I enjoy their work, although it's a tad bombastic at times. With any amount of brainpower, you could surmise which posts are mine and determine my taste from this and previous threads.

I despise most Pop music, especially stuff that's marketed towards teenage girls. Not only do I find the presentation of such music from the production values to the insipid lyrics thoroughly obnoxious, I can't relate to anything they sing about.

For Metal, I like: '70s and '80s Metal, NWOBHM, Doom, Sludge, Thrash, Black, Gothic, Glam, OSDM, Power, Speed, Death/Doom, '90s Metalcore

For Punk, I like: '77-style Punk, Horror Punk, Deathrock, '80s Post-Punk, Oi!, RAC/Viking Rock, '80s Hardcore, Post-Hardcore, Japanese Hardcore, UK82, Thrashcore, Crossover Thrash, Sludge, Anarcho-Punk, Metal-oriented Grindcore, Metal-oriented Crust, some Grunge, some Powerviolence

Indifferent towards: Queercore, Cowpunk, Beatdown Hardcore, Melodic Hardcore, everything else not listed

Punk stuff I dislike: Ska Punk, SotS-inspired Metalcore, Psychobilly, Riot Grrrl, Folk Punk, Pop Punk, Post-Punk Revival

Other genres I'm into: Progressive Rock, Coldwave, New Wave, Industrial, Power Electronics, Neofolk, Celtic Rock, Hard Rock, Southern Rock, Blues Rock, Boom Bap, G-Funk, Horrorcore, late '70s/early '80s Hip Hop
No. 34906
Saving this tthread from the deluge of shit
No. 34918
By doing what? Posting nothing? How are you saving this thread by merely declaring so? You have literally contributed nothing in that post.

Is this a shitpost I'm unaware of?
No. 34922 Kontra
I forgot that when mods finally get around to wiping shitposts it just restores everything to working order. This was knocked back to at least page 3 this morning.
No. 34923 Kontra
Ah, I see. I'd been extremely busy this week, so I've only dropped in sporadically.

Carry on, then.
No. 35090
>RAC sperg spergs out
Glad to see he at least listens to music beyond shallow skinhead smegma sniffers.

But otherwise, is anyone else a fan of zeuhl?
No. 35140
>RAC sperg spergs out

I am the OP of this thread, you dolt. I care deeply about music.

To answer your question, I like Prog Rock, but I could never get into Magma or anything like that. Shub-Niggurath and Eskaton are interesting, though. Couldn't sit through an entire album of either, but they've got atmosphere.
No. 35214
>fan of zeuhl
I've listened to Magma's self-titled album, Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, 1001° centigrades, and Magma live.
Zeuhl is a pretty small genre, so I don't know if that makes me a "fan" of the genre. I know that some zuehl was made in japan though.

Sorry for the late response. I love Henry Cow! In fact I was the poster who started the "Marxist Music" threda on .com with Henry Cow. I especially like Fred Firth and have delved into his personal projects:
Massacre live:
A relatively unknown album of his that I like:
Skeleton Crew
Lindsay Cooper (in Henry Cow):

Have you listened to Art Bears?
>Hopes and Fears began as a Henry Cow album, but after the first recording sessions in Switzerland, some of the members of the band were unhappy about the predominance of song-oriented material. As a compromise it was agreed that two albums would be made: the songs would be released by Fred Frith, Chris Cutler and Dagmar Krause as Art Bears, and the instrumental compositions would be released later by Henry Cow. The newly formed Art Bears recorded four more tracks in London to complete Hopes and Fears, which was released in May 1978. Henry Cow returned to Switzerland in July that year to record additional instrumental pieces for what was to be their last album, Western Culture (1979).

And Slapp Happy?

If you like Henry Cow, maybe you'd like Univers Zero, a Belgian band.

Also, some other songs/artists I like.

Sonny Sharrock:

James Blood Ulmer - Great Stuff:

Ornette Coleman:

Spy VS Spy (Ornette Coleman covers by John Zorn):

Here's some real headache inducing stuff :DDDDDDDDDDDD

I'd say I've listened to most of the discography of Fred Firth, Frank Zappa, Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, Sonny Sharrock, and Thelonious Monk. I've listened to maybe 50 albums that Zorn was in, but I think that is not a lot compared to his discography.
For some reason I can't post any files.
No. 35323
Townes van Zandt is so good. Can't believe I never checked out his stuff until now.

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What is it with these guys? It's an Italian heavy rock band from the 90's. It's the first time I listen to their songs and watch their clips, but it feels like I've already seen them before, it gives me nostalgia and feels of memories that I not I ever had. Also their singer (dude with the long hair) looks like someone I know, or knew some forgotten time ago, it doesn't make any sense.

No. 35813
Listening to vaporwave feels like I'm hearing spirits from the netherworld screaming and crying out in pain.
Terrible spectres of pasts and never-been futures.
As in, being a yuppie is a terrible thing. But even as a yuppie, you are the best at something, even if that something is just being a psychopath who spends money on more money.

Citypop feels a lot more light hearted in contrast. Maybe because those songs are "genuine" (If we can call any mass produced pop "genuine") impressions from that era, and not later reflective attempts at trying to capture the essence of the time period like vaporwave is.

Anyway, here is a pretty good album:
No. 35815
There is a book called Babbling Corpses and it's about Vaporwave, I perhaps already favored it to you in the past tho. Mentioning the ghosts calling, I immediately had to think of the title.
No. 35933
What are some good Israeli bands oother than them? I guess any genre really not just metal.
No. 36363

I got interested in (contemporary) dub music after finishing Gibson's Neuromancer today which features a Rastafari space colony where they play dub all the time & at one point the protagonist is saved from brain death by following the dub
So I put together a bit of a playlist:
It's mainly based on tracks from this article: https://www.factmag.com/2018/01/28/leftfield-dub-seekers-bokeh-boomarm/

It's quite diverse with some more traditional dub, some stuff's more ambient or techno, some a bit more experimental. If anyone has some more recommendations in that direction, please share!
No. 36374
They are Italian, not Israeli.

There aren't many bands in Israeli music, is more like single singers and writers.

No. 36479
sounds bit boring but its possible to listen such music for entire day pretty much

similar but more fancy pieces
No. 36668
On the odd chance this fascinates you, early RAC was not nearly as aligned politically as they would be later and some had serious conflicts of interest politically and otherwise. Sure, they were pro-white / racist, pro-Britain, pro-UDA, anti-IRA and anti-communist, but the Hitler question was a third rail for some of them. The original incarnation of Public Enemy (UK), London Branch, The Diehards, Last Orders, Battle Zone, Vengeance and Indecent Exposure never even pretended to be Nazis and stressed they were British patriots.

This would come to Indecent Exposure's peril when Nicky Crane approached Steve "Milky" Reeve in the bathroom and demanded the band join the NF. When he rightly refused and would rather they go their own way politically, he sustained injuries from a bottle hurled at the stage presumably by one of the Nationalist skinheads. He was need 12 stitches to heal the wound. Some time later, Indecent Exposure would open for UK Subs in a show organized by Roddy Moreno and never gain would they play under an RAC banner. Keep in mind Indecent Exposure still call themselves patriotic skinheads, but Nazis they were not.

Similarly, Alex Ellul of Battle Zone was intimidated at his place of work by members of Combat 18 into leaving. The years he spent granting different bands a platform in his zine Last Chance, taking the fall for different bands' illegal merchandise and arranging deals for their music to be featured meant absolutely nothing. Since then, Alex has formally left politics entirely.

Curiously, Alex started to suspect everything was not what it seemed during his time dealing with Gaël Bodilis, owner of Rebelles Européens. After an incident with Paul Burnley and Alex Ellul over illegal t-shirts seized by customs that landed Gaël in prison for three months, affairs between all parties would turn sour. Around the time Battle Zone's full-length album was being released, Alex recalls his less-than-cordial dealings with Gaël. He even wondered if this mysterious Frenchman was working for the French state or global intelligence community.

>There was this air of mystery around him. His face was badly disfigured. He once mentioned to me that he had been a dog handler in the army, been caught in the Lebanon and tortured. His face did look as though it had been smashed in by a rifle butt. Mind you, other people said he had been involved in a car accident. He had a weird tic, he was very nervous, always looking over his shoulder. He would disappear for weeks on end. You could never get him on the phone. And then he would suddenly contact you very late at night. Whenever we visited him he never wanted you to meet other skinheads in Brest and would always put us up in a hotel as though he had something to hide rather than being inhospitable. It was all very mysterious

Other odd things Alex noted about Gaël were his insistence on paying bands with French checks which were difficult to cash. Despite covering all the studio costs for bands to record / release music and even paying the band in LPs and CDs, Gaël's label only pressed 1000 copies of each release which could never cover the overhead costs even at market prices. Either Gaël was some strange international man of mystery (or perhaps a trustfund brat) with vast sums of fortunes tucked away a la Tommy Wiseau or perhaps something more sinister.

The turning point was when the RAC bands affiliated with the NF started openly feuding with party leaders, namely Derek Holland and Patrick Harrington, over monetary practices. The NF had a notorious habit of pocketing virtually all proceeds made by the respective LPs and EPs featuring the artists despite having promised the bands a share of the gains. After awhile, it became increasingly obvious that RAC was just a means for the NF to gain supporters and raise funds for their activities. The people into the music certainly cared about their art as much as their politics, but the party cared more about money, power and influence. Naturally peeved by the repeated betrayals, Ian Stuart and company broke away and formed Blood & Honour. Skullhead and Violent Storm were the only two bands that supported NF. In a cruel twist of fate, the NF would allegedly rip off even their most loyal supporters on their split EP Third Way. When it hit the streets, Kev Turner called on fans to boycott the release.

So much for loyalty.
No. 36669
I don't mind patriotic ideas, I embrace a few myself that are drawn heavily from indentifying with the cause of the Western Allies (not necessarily the governments involved) but I draw the line when being proud of where you're from turns into thinking that those not from your place are your genetic inferiors or whatever. That's my problem with a lot of those kinds of bands. For me, if you have to stress pride in being born with white skin or you local equivalent (e.g. the Malay Power fuckwits down in SEA), then you've earned nothing worth being proud of instead of it, and deserve no damn respect.
No. 36682
>Malay Power

Funny you mention those guys who are just aping what the previously mentioned Japanese skinheads were doing, but produce far less music for the fuss the media made about them. The few bands that released music just aren't interesting.

Far more fascinating to me is the Darah & Maruah PST TM scene which is Malay NSBM. The intensely prolific Malay Black Metal/RAC crossover band Jugra releases music ranging from curious when analyzed from the perspective of outsider weirdness to absolutely fucking dreadful with a conventionally solid tune in between. The band has made even more curious bedfellows which includes releasing a split with self-proclaimed Aztec Nazi Black Metal band Sacrificial Massacre. Malay Black Metal Nazi RAC is a constellation of words that shouldn't exist rationally, but coherency among human beings is exceptionally rare and it's the novelty of oddity that raises my eyebrows just like with NazBols.
No. 36683
I was talking more in the general sense than the actual neo-nazi subculture they have going on, though the Singapore Oi! scene has had a lot of issues with the Malay Nazis.

I remember seeing all kinds of weird shit about Malays in the news in Singapore, like near riots happening because some politician wanted to ease up on laws that made non-Malays (genetically speaking from what I understood) second class citizens, and some controversy over teachers being sent into non-muslim regions and then converting students in the classroom and crap like that. SEA is Balkan-tier when it comes to petty infighting that inevitably goes way too fucking far.
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And, to contribute to this thread more meaningfully, what does Ernst think of Minimal Wave? Minimal Wave is a broad classification of music that comprises obscure, atypical examples of genres such as New Wave, stripped-down electronic or synthesizer music, Synthpop, Post-Punk and Coldwave. Most of the music tends to focus on electronic, pre-MIDI instrumentation and themes of sincere, rather than ironic, detachment. The terming draws some contention. Although most Minimal Wave is classified in the late 1970s and early 1980s and subsequently appeared on bootleg and one-off compilations, the genre didn't have a name until a record label of the same name began releasing compilations and reissues in the mid-2000s

In comparison to Synthpop, New Romantic or New Wave, Minimal Wave's sound is sparse, amateurish, stripped down and lo-fi, using analog synthesizers, drum machines and pre-MIDI electronics. The singing is unconventional, with detached and cold vocals. Minimal Wave was mainly developed during the years 1979-85, especially in Belgium, France and Germany. Most bands kept a low profile and a DIY ethic, sometimes releasing self-published cassettes or limited editions by private labels. In its most purely electronic and synth-driven form, it is called Minimal Synth.

One of my favorites is Space Museum by Solid Space. Despite sounding very much like a generic lo-fi amateur proto-electronic Kraftwerk-wannabe record on the surface, Space Museum is something more like a Post-Punk album that happens to often be synth-driven instead of guitar-driven. There's a bit of Joy Division and Talking Heads in there, so it will mostly sound pretty at home for the average fan of this era of music, including the great poppish melodies in the vocals and chord progressions.

One of the best parts of the album is how it combines electronic and acoustic instruments in a brilliant and beautiful way, something you don't hear often in anything from this era. Things like acoustic guitars and bass, real drums, saxophone, and clarinet mesh perfectly with the sweeping oscillators and glitchy drums. It gives it a surprisingly organic feel to it, as these guys really know what instruments sound good together regardless of whether they are a traditional "fit" or not; these were some truly talented musicians.

Choice tracks:
No. 36685 Kontra
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So basically they're the South Slavs of Asia :DDDDDD
No. 36687
Pretty much. They all have minorities of one another and most oppress them in some way, Malays with constitutionally enshrined racism, Indonesia with their genocide, Thailand is one lynching away from Jim Crow-tier and Vietnam isn't fond of admitting that their minority groups are native to the area.

I thought Singapore was pretty chil. In Chinatown, the Buddhist, Muslim and Hindu temples/churches are all within a 5 block radius or so, while shit kicks off in other countries if they try and build a temple in the wrong area.
No. 36689
>I thought Singapore was pretty chil. In Chinatown, the Buddhist, Muslim and Hindu temples/churches are all within a 5 block radius or so, while shit kicks off in other countries if they try and build a temple in the wrong area.

Were the women beautiful? My parents couldn't stop reminiscing on how gorgeous the women were when they went to Singapore in the '80s.
No. 36695
I dunno. I don't really pay that much attention to birds. I'm not a poofter or nothing, it's just not something that I take particular note of. I didn't really enjoy the trip neither and spent most of the time sitting in the hotel underneath the aircon :-DDD
No. 36696 Kontra
Also, to be relevant. An artist that I put on the radio a few weeks ago released a new single in late December.

No. 36806
>what does Ernst think of Minimal Wave?
New to me, but I enjoyed Space Museum and so have been digging into it these past few days. I was trying to find something with a similar sci-fi sound/atmosphere, but have so far been unsuccessful(btw, can't believe you left the track Platform 6 off of your post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYMO4mcWiE).
The Minimal Wave Records catalog led me to Player Piano, by Futurisk. It's good, but the album isn't as consistant as SM. I found Lonely Streets and Army Now to be the highlights:

Lonely Streets

Army Now(1982)

New Mexico by Oppenheimer Analysis also had some great tracks, but again was not as consistent from start to finish:


Cold War

Modern Wonder
No. 36918
>cheesy polish telenovela intro

>it has a neofolk cover

No. 36928
Amazing cover; the difference between the two versions is night and day. Also:
>Why does Youtube want me to sign in?
>nsfwyoutube...watch video...
>oh, that's why

Since this a music thread, and I now have covers on my mind, here's another:

Gene Wilder - Pure Imagination

Primus - Pure Imagination
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I was pleasantly surprised stumbling upon Masters of the Universe, an album released in 2007 by indie group Mikrofisch. Be prepared for synthesizers and a drum machine, accompanied by tongue-in-cheek lyrics which frequently reference pop culture. Since I couldn't find all of the tracks individually on Youtube, I'll post Alien Monsters as an Mp3(which I found on archive.org)

Mikrofisch - The Kids Are All Shite

Mikrofisch - Masters Of The Universe (Full Album, 2007)

Individual songs on archive.org:
No. 37118
It was a good idea to check The Dungeon Synth Archives again. Seems like two new superb and extremely satisfying genres popped up:

>comfy synth

>DINO synth
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No. 37194
At least your weather is nice. I'd love to live in Tel Aviv.
No. 37326
Been listening to some rappers from Kazakhstan, though they rap in Russian mostly. Pretty good stuff, really nice vids too. This Scriptonite guy has some pretty insane beats in particular

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Sat down and gave Anti-Flag's new album a spin. I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's got some heat on it, and hits a lot of good ideas but it just feels quite glossy and polished, especially compared to some of their earlier stuff that was far snottier. That said, Anti-Flag being as big as they are, the safer sound is probably on the whole a good thing because any zoomers that stumble upon it won't be turned away by unrepentant rage set to guitar since there are often strong hooks and singalong sections to keep interest up. If you're after more in the vein of Die for the Government or A New Kind of Army, then look elsewhere though.

It's also interestingly enough the first time that the band has taken aim at a specific politician, so if you're one of those people who doesn't like when punk attacks specific cases that may be close to home instead of nebulous ideas of injustice then pass on this album as well.

Like I said though, there's some heat. The opening track sets off quite harsh and loud, then the album explores various 'holy fuck' aspects of the hell of 2020, but likes to remember that if people stand up that things can still get better. It's not everywhere, but there's enough hope in the music to be empowering at least. The second half gets more experimental, with folk/acoustic influences and it closes on a ska-punk inspired track with a heavy beat holding it together with brass. My favourite track off the album is Christian Nationalist. It's a bit poppy for my usual tastes but I'm a sucker for fundie bashing.

Overall for me, it's above average. It ticks a lot of my boxes, but would have been ten times better with just a little bit more grit to it. I'm going to say a high 3.5/5 rating from me.
No. 37374 Kontra
Just to clarify my reasoning for the rating a bit more. I say a high 3.5 because the subjects are topical and on target, and delivered with a bit of passion which already sets it to at least an average rating, but the fact that I had fun listening to it means that for me, it's an above average release. It's not meant to be a reflection on it as a groundbreaking, or even incredibly great punk record, just one that is a pretty good time.
No. 37413
Never liked them. Always found their music to be utterly boring and their image stupid. Seems nothing has changed a single bit throughout the years.

Bad Religion has also been producing execrable music, although at least their discography up to and including Against the Grain was solid. Even their goofy Prog Rock album is better than most of their work that came after 1990.
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Just found out X-Raided has been released from prison a couple years back.

I dedicate this one to my nigga Metalpunk Catalan. If I recall, you like Necro, so I thought I'd share this classic with you to close out this thread.

"Keepin' it real" has always been the defining credo across Hip Hop subculture, especially Hardcore Hip Hop. Those who don't walk the talk earn zero respect and quickly get the bum's rush if they overstay their welcome. Consequently, there's always been a huge deal of controversy whenever Rappers explore themes of violence, murder, rape, drug dealing and more. The indulgence in power fantasies is generally accepted among even the most dedicated to keepin' it real, but what happens when Rappers turn their rhymes into confessionals of some of the most heinous deeds? The lines blur between narrative building of an ego-tripping fantasist and autobiographical musings of a genuine psychopath. That mystery often adds to the suspense. Enter Psycho Active, an album where depravity features prominently into the music.

Anerae Brown, better known as X-Raided of the Garden Blocc Crips, kept it very real when he murdered the Grandmother of two gangland rivals from the Meadowview Bloods. This slaying has chilling parallels to his lyric "I'm killin' moms, daddies and nephews / I'm killin' sons, daughters and sparin' you." Those chilling feelings are further compounded upon knowledge X's brandishing the alleged murder weapon on the album's cover. With artists like this, it's easy for an artist's infamy to overshadow his work, but X-Raided's debut Psycho Active has distinct qualities that are all of its own and can be credited as an influence on Horrorcore not a world away from what Esham was doing around this same period.

In "Bitch Killa", our man X meets his match when he picks up a literally magma-cunted demonic ho who ends up burning his dick off after attempted rape. Other tracks like "Call the Guardz" feature the usual Gangsta Rap trappings exploring liquor store stick-ups and killing pigs. It's easy to dismiss this as the musings of a wannabe aping genre-defining giants like NWA (who X briefly samples periodically), and X's supposed murder of defenseless grandmother which put him away from 26 years is hardly the work of the mass murdering urban supersoldier he claims to be, but the pervasive grittiness intensified by his cold, matter-of-fact delivery make this something unforgettable.

Brotha Lynch Hung, clearly in his formative days, handled production by crafting rough, grimy beats that are somewhat clunky and a bit lo-fi for its day. That sampling during the chorus of "Fuckin' Wit a Psycho" leaves much to be desired, but you're left wondering if this album was intended for a wider audience or simply those connected to the Garden Blocc Crips.

This is a messy and uneven affair, but X-Raided can churn out some real hardcore bangers when he wants to. "Every Single Bitch" is thoroughly nasty even compared to its contemporaries while "Shoot Cha in a Minute" and "Crazy than a Mutha Fuck" delivery on their respective titles' promises. Dividing his tracks into "Nigga Shit" and "Psycho Shit," X ensures the album gradually degenerates from archetypal Gangsta lyrics into horror themes.
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time travelin a bit, it's the only keygen I remember the name of the group. I rarely needed to generate any keys, did not play so many different games.

I once downloaded a pack with hundreds or thousands of them, this is also one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjdlITCh5XE) I remember, yet I never played Act of War because my computer hardware was not good enough when I was interested in it.
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Found this really good youtube channel. The artist outs out short, melancholic pieces akin to a lot of lo-fi hip-hop works.
I came across this through the (in)famous YoutubePoop called Deliver Us, which uses pieces by the artist as a soundtrack.

For the first time in my life, I'm actually considering paying for an album. I mean, if it gives you a panic attack and almost makes you cry, then it's good shit. Basically this is what I seek from art. It should fuck me up and reassemble me. From Dostoevsky to Neon Genesis Evangelion.
No. 37887

Nicht alle Schmerzen sind heilbar, denn manche schleichen
Sich tiefer und tiefer ins Herz hinein
Und während Tage und Jahre verstreichen
Werden sie Stein

Du sprichst und lachst, wie wenn nichts wäre
Sie scheinen zerronnen wie Schaum
Doch du spürst ihre lastende Schwere
Bis in den Traum

Der Frühling kommt wieder mit Wärme und Helle
Die Welt wird ein Blütenmeer
Aber in meinem Herzen ist eine Stelle
Da blüht nichts mehr


Not every kind of of pain can be healed
cause some do lurk
deeper and deeper into your heart
and while days and years
pass by
they turn into stone.

You talk and laugh, as if
nothing had happened
They seem to have faded away as foam
but you feel their oppressive weight,
even in your dreams.

Spring comes with warmth
and brightness
The world becomes a sea of blossoms
but in my heart there is place
where nothing does blossom anymore.

"Nicht alle Schmerzen" by Ricarda Huch, translated for my english friends by me.
No. 37968
Been listening to Pöbel MC since finding them recently through another band (All Against All by What We Feel & Mister X, so the only relation is that they did a release with Moscow Death Brigade a little bit ago and MDB is also kind of hip-hop). Tbh, the new video just reminds me of Kurt from our Bodycount game for reasons that will be obvious to anyone who knows what that implies (the dancing mostly :-D), so I thought I'd post it :-DDD


Dog, we are definitely running that setting again at some point. It's way too much fun to just do once.