So next TOS movies... I remember I liked them back when was younger. Cinemotagraphic stories, cool events, kirk, spock, mccoy, all guys you like doing coll adventures across the galaxy, and 2-3-4 movies even continue each other, what and adventure! However nowdays from this persperctive there a more of dissapointment in therms of be star trek. A lot of things there was made itentionally more holywood-y and more ground level than high style of star trek. This movies become more like "a star wars based on old 60s tv series" than star trek.

You see, in first movie, it was like evolution of star trek - evolution in what it was meant to be. Space Oddysey-style adventure with a lot of patience, moral story, emotions and same time actual aiming on future, technology and unknown things in space perfectly match what star trek should me. There people explorers of stragne things. They more high mentaly and moraly than we, modern humands and you can clear see it. And in all things - decorations, special effects, uniforms you see that this share and evolves ideas of TOS to more mature and advanced level. Something that Roddenberry failed to do in original mosty due to lack of practical experience and budget.

2-6 movies are different. They in many ways like just OH SPACE ADVENTURE IN FUTURE, HERE WE HAVE LASORS, HERE RANDOM LOCATIONS, AND SOMETHING HAPPENING, HERE SOME FAMILIAR CHARACTERS FROM PAST. From big picture - like most of them just repeat most poular blockbuster plots and scheme of creaction to little details.
On big picture you see - battle against cool han boom boom, battle against klingons, adventure of cool team of guys against rules, cool time travel, 6 movie even sometimes feels more like JJ Abrams movie than star trek since it just jump across locations, "hard" plot, action, and all this tihngs.
On smaller picture you see details - new cool uniform of "canadian police" as I call it broke all logic in star trek universe of how uniform should look, I not even say something aboutofficers of security uifortms, movies explote balter-like and more "fun looking" special effects, there no background for many details - things like FUCKING PRISON ASTERIOD THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE COLD PLANET or this bar where mccoy with spock mind arrived is just like "whatever" location with some meme refferences like in star wars. And this movie is full of it - there almost no actual "star trek things" in them.

Worst scene for me is from 6th movie this meeting of admirals and officers. On their uniform they even have fucking plates with their medal like modern military and they disscus military things! Like just fucking look at people and they moral and how tings look in first movie or even in fucking TOS, compare to them this guys from 6th movie is not federation, this is pre-hisoric apes from XX centuary. This is almost look like this is not a star trke, but Starship Troopers movie. Star trek that looks like a parody on militarism! As I like to comment it just by this quotes of Picard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltSUBw_hW0

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That's not the same at all. Nobody breaks the legs of the livestock and then knocks them out. In fact the farms get audited for animal welfare just as hard as the plant does, by the same people and if they fail, not only are they given massive fines, but they love their livelihood because nobody is going to buy from a farm that fails an audit, and the conditions are pretty stringent including and not limited to having adequate shelter and limiting the livestock to pasture ratio.

Then once they reach the plant, they're kept in similar conditions in the yards. The holding paddocks are actually very well maintained, the ones I've been around even had hedgerows for the sheep to get out of the wind in (an optional feature too). Then they go to processing yards where they follow the judas sheep inside under no coercion where they're stunned and killed as quickly as humanly possible and that is instantaneously if halal doesn't need to be observed. If it is observed then a reputable plant uses bigger stunners that keep the animal under while they die. Using your mob analogy, it'd be someone putting you on a long morphine drip so you're out cold while the nastiness happens and stay out cold, with the difference being that you don't wake up to deal with the broken legs. Also, don't try and act like you weren't laying judgment on the people involved with your 'they know it's wrong' theory. It's also internationally recognised that livestock are sentient (not sapient, people get them mixed up a lot) and thus measures must be taken with the assumption that the animal is self-aware and has a limited ability to comprehend its environment. Seeing something as not having the same rights as sapient (human-like) life doesn't mean that you think it has no rights. We're not the callous barbarians you make us out to be.

And for the record, I don't eat veal or support that specific industry because the biology of juvenile cattle doesn't work in the favour of animal welfare. They're very hard to stun and it causes unnecessary suffering for all parties because they have the ability to recover from all sorts of things including drowning even very quickly in their juvenile stage for what is a relatively small market, but sheep and adult cattle can be slaughtered very humanely in modern conditions and serve a great deal more people. Not judging an entire industry as 'evil' doesn't mean I support every single part of it.

And no, it's not whataboutism. If everybody can just go and hunt for their meat, why can't everybody just also have a wee patch to grow the food that they need? Because reality doesn't work as cleanly as thought experiments do, that's why. You can technically survive on flour and water which is largely automated in planting and harvesting with a minimum of human exploitation, but that's not really enjoyable or something anybody is going to willingly do.