Now here's something you don't hear everyday. Potentially patriotic Post-Hardcore:
https://youtu.be/p7gYipg-LNM

Sadly, absolutely no information about this band can be found anywhere online: no interviews, no websites, nothing. These German gentlemen released three albums from the mid to late '90s on the controversial Skull Records and later Rock-O-Rama. Considering how wildly different this band sounds from their labelmates, I'm too damn curious as to how they got signed onto those labels. Given, the Schaffelhuber brothers had several endeavors outside Rechtsrock, including distributing completely non-political music through their various labels. Allegedly, they were involved in bootlegging. In any case, their albums were later reissued by Rock-O-Rama Records and billed as "Patriotic Rock", so right-wing sympathies could very well be possible although it's apparently difficult to discern.

I've also asked Germans elsewhere to help transcribe these lyrics or at least parse out their themes, and none reported anything overtly political. Some cringed at how melodramatic their lyrics were, though.

"Drei Kreuze" particularly grabs me. Despite the shaky vocals, the bass tone is infectious and the synths heighten the atmosphere. All the instruments serve the arrangements well. The music takes some surprising turns just when you start worrying it would be too predictable. The shifts work and are far from anything gratuitous or incongruous in the wider context of the music.

Side note: these guys couldn't look more quintessentially 90s if they tried.

I'm listening to the most recent Descendents album at the moment and it's really fascinating how the contents of punk music lyrics can change over a few decades.

Can't have no more juicy burgers
Can't have no more greasy fries
Doctor took my lipid profile
He told me I'm barely alive
No more fat
No more fat
No more chicken pot pies, no more chorizo
I can't have that
Got this problem from my father
Grandpa died at forty-five
Heart attack and a triple bypass
Future's looking very bright
No more fat
No more fat
No more apple fritters, no more ice cream
I can't have that
No more fat
No more fat
I like food, but all the food that tastes good...
I can't have that

>>46185
It wasn't a question of infinite growth so much as technic growth and rising prosperity for everyone, similar to what we have but with the gains of economy largely being spread smoothly across society rather than completely concentrated within a few oligarchs and their immediate specialist servants like stockbrokers, realtors, surgeons, highest paid employees on the corporate board, and other servants things like that. Kind of roughly along the lines of how the actual material conditions of the average Western person exceed even the highest royals of medieval period in all areas but land ownership, largely due to the freeing of energy and technical innovations. I simply do not know whether it is possible to spread those means and that wealth more evenly (compared to America I know we can) and how far you can go before you push the system to the brink of collapse. Like for example if the highest head of neurosurgery was paid exactly the same as the janitor and fast food worker I'm pretty sure that system would crash almost immediately. My question is how close you can get it to that point.

Regarding technical innovation I see it as like say the increasing speed and power of computational technology. The power of a $250 graphics card today can blow the performance of an entire $4000 system out of the water from 15 years ago, and depending on the component can run more energy efficiently too. So in that regard it is what I meant by increasing the overall wealth generation. I'm not dumb enough to posit perpetual growth as in consumerism under Capitalism I know factually that is going to crash as one of the simplest purely mathematical models to understand. I don't think you need to be a math professor's son to intuitively understand the inevitable failure of capitalist Consumerism any more than pandemics are inuitive I suck at math and don't believe you need to understand algebra to see that 2+2=4 which is the inevitability of these things.

I guess the real question is how you could do it in such a way that neither the system crashes from wages existing as a totally flat plane nor do you have extraneous growth factors crashing it so that people still live more or less in harmonics with the system's input/output not crashing and having gradually increasing access to better material conditions.

I sincerely believe at this point that Capitalism and Communism are both going to be proven utter failures within the same hundred year timeframe and am considering what kind of third position would be viable but the original question really was just about how you could make it so that the overall wealth continues gradually increasing namely through innovation and scientific understanding while keeping one countrymen from not making exorbitantly more than another which is only going to destabilize the system in the long run. It seems to me there may be an equation to guess at that floating point between 0 which is flat income disparity and 1 which is total oligarchic dictatorship.

Of course the worst case scenario would be discovering physical immortality that would crash complex life on earth almost immediately but fortunately we don't have to worry about that and it's totally unrelated regardless. Relative population stability also would be the critical factor I suppose because the system would actually have to function without nonstop population expansion either or rather there would have to hit a point where the real consumption of resources approaches zero. Obviously landfilling precious metals like we psychotically do right now is close to the 1 state of imminent total failure for the enclosed system loops.

>>43239

>It is basically using public resources as bribery

This is the wrong way to look at it.

In every healthy society, the group makes sure that even the worst off are taken care of to some basic level. If we consider small hunter-gatherer bands to be the evolutionary default of humanity, then this state can also be considered a natural one.

Capitalism is unnatural and inhuman. Regularized transfers of wealth from the rich to the poor are a necessary part of maintaining a healthy society that exists in harmony with human nature. This is why libertarianism bug me so much. The fundamental premise is illogical. Man is an obligatorily social creature - always has been, and always will be. Liberating man from binding social duties in the name of atomistic rights will ultimately destroy society... which naturally harms the individuals who exist as a part of that society.

>>43243
The neocon project has always been full of literal Israel-firsters, and there is a good case to be made that American policy in the Middle East only makes sense in light of pursuing Israel's interests.

Considering how easily American politicians are bought, this shouldn't be surprising. I would only disagree with the theory outlined above insofar as the Gulf monarchies exercise influence on the same level as Israel (though Israel and the oil sheikhs have a lot of shared interests).

Why do we have such a hate boner for any organized Shia group in the Middle East? Why are we so obsessed with Iran and Assad in particular? Why do we shill for Israel at the UN every time they're condemned for basic violations of human rights and international law?

All our stupid bullshit makes perfect sense if you consider that America's actions have nothing to do with America's interests. As Jugurtha said of Rome, "a city for sale and doomed to quick destruction, if it should find a buyer."

>>46476
If I forgot to mention the fucking Saudis and other sheiks I apologize. I also detest our support for monarchies like Qatar.

>insert americabear bff's

I actually literally switched parties partly over this back in like 2018, 2019. Trying to give nuclear tech to a defacto enemy nation we are in bed with, who use our oil money to fund and supply Jihadist movements over the world, and who practice quite possibly the shittiest form of Islam on earth--Wahhabism--is terrifying. Can you even fucking imagine those peoole getting their hands on dirty bomb material??? So the guy decided he not only wouldn't be better, but would suck dick harder than any other neocon we ever had.

There is a reason why genuine independent politicians like Sanders and Ron Paul get routinely shafted. I know there's a lingering Cold War and post-Cold War geopolitical element to it, but I cannot fathom the relationship being remotely good for us and it is the major part of why we went to Iraq again and tried to destroy Syria and Iran because of Saudis and the right wing Israeli governements of scumbags like Sharon and Netanyahu who himself btw is racked by political scandal and nationwide protests in Israel demanding his ouster.

I should clarify that I obviously don't support feeding Israel and her people to the wolves. What I do believe is supporting such piece of shit governments will make that too inevitable someday. This is also why it's not wise to support those two faced sons of bitches in the Knesset because in case anyone forget them selling our missile tech to China, Israel is out for Israel and they will sell us out to China in a heartbeat. These are two of the worst allies that we've ever had and it's partly because our cocksucker political establishment hates people and places like Venezuela and Libya so damn much they'd rather see them burned to ashes then make peace.

Regarding the Shia I've come to understand that Shiites are real mates. Not to blindly act like they are somehow good guys, but put it this way: Shia is the not as shit faction of Islam. Sunni Islamists are clearly garbage and are responsible for 99% of the problems. Shiites only a couple times did anything truly terroristic and malicious and it could arguably be said them doing things like bombing our barracks was an act of self defense in direct retaliation for our national policies as guided by Israel and KSA and while himself a bit of a shit I can't help but admire Ahmadinejad for his "9/11 was an inside job" speech at the UN which our and Israel's totally asshurt delegates walked out on, which was a fucking pathetic and childish display.

In a more perfect world quite frankly I'd pivot the United States towards national friendship with Venezeualans, Iranians, and hopefully Russians someday when their lesdership acts slightly less pidoristic, cut off funding from Israel until they get a reasonable government that I can deal with and a warning that if they start enough shit we will not help you so hopefully they unfuck themselves in the Knesset, and let KSA get fed to the fucking wolves.

>but muh bases

Well then let us be on friendlier terms with the Iranians, Egyptians, and others around strategic energy and shipping lanes, and let us use these new players to isolate CHYNA.

But we don't, and we won't, because all our politicians are bought and paid for by domestic and foreigner oligarchs who are driving our national policy and victimizing and antagonizing other countries who will rightly hate us and cheer on our destruction as a result.
P.s le electric car Mars guy is a toral fucking faggot just like all the rest of them
https://www.rt.com/news/495820-musk-coup-bolivia-lithium-tesla/
There are people in this country who deserve to have a bag of rocks tied around their necks and thrown into the ocean and we should give them a choice of the bag of rocks or lifetime service to others washing dishes

>we will coup whoever we want

>>46207
Well I mean you didn't have to be so rude to him about it but yeah, I am an adult and not a NEET and I play vidya and eat ice cream all the damn time and I can buy and eat as much capn crunch whenever the fuck I damn well please and stay up late because guess what, I'm an adult now and I can make up all my own rules.

But don't be so harsh on him mate. Reading between the lines it probably is because as a NEET, which is where we've all been before, you get way more self conscious about wasting time and playing childish things and being a general manchild. When you're in college or working all the time you clearly don't give a fuck because those reasons.

It's all about trying to find the balance and NEETdom makes you feel incredibly unbalanced in terms of times wasted and your own internalized self concept of being a failure or like a child and so playing a game like idk Mario Cart just really pushes that point home to that terrifying furry NEET weeb whatever it was mindfuck video I saw posted many years ago in a webm thread.

Of course at the same time I guess it's just generally easier to rationalize wasting your life by claiming to yourself that some game is teaching you about history or making you better at analytical decisions or something.

I will say this though I at one point literally relied on certain specific types of vidya to try and heal my brain from getting brain damaged from something and between that and time I feel like it pretty much worked by exercising it. Being exposed to, but not learning, foreign languages also minorly helped.