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Discuss all things related to music from new discoveries to debates about musicians and the impact of their work.

Digging this lately:

Over this land

Over this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaasteland
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One month later, I'm still captivated by God's Own Medicine.

For those unaware, The Mission is a British Goth band formed by Wayne Hussey and Craig Adams after falling out with Andrew Eldritch and leaving The Sisters of Mercy. In a way, they could be considered (if you're uncharitable) a diet version of The Cult in that they started playing Gothic music that had an edge and would later transition to radio-friendly Hard Rock without going Grunge or Glam. Goth purists would hate them for being sell outs while Hard Rock enthusiasts would probably consider them too wussy especially when compared to Mötley Crüe, W.A.S.P., Dokken or Skid Row. Critics panned The Mission for their kitsch, melodramatic lyrics that even sound vaguely homoerotic to me, but fuck me, that groovy bassline on "Wasteland" and haunting arrangements on "Severina" are infectious.

Am I the only one?
No. 40019 Kontra
I should note that The Mission's Hard Rock phase was brief and confined to only one album before returning to their signature style of Goth Rock whereas The Cult permanently transitioned towards Hard Rock by the time they released Electric, so perhaps comparing the two bands isn't entirely fair despite the former opening for the latter.
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Wasteland was a great song to start this thread, but with Severina you convinced me to hear the full album. Great stuff, I can see why it grabbed hold of you. In listening to their follow up albums, Children and Carved in Sand, neither have matched God's own Medicine. Although there were a number of tracks that stood out-including Deliverance and Amelia(fair warning, the subject matter of the latter track is abuse, and may be disturbing). While Fabienne lacked a driving hook, the music was beautiful.

The Mission - Fabienne

I also enjoyed this Aerosmith cover:

The Mission-Dream On

And I just have to mention this one from the album Masque. I'll confess that I didn't actually go this far forward into their discography, but skipping ahead I landed on She Conjures Me Wings. It's quite a departure from their usual sound, but is a really fun track. I can't believe they didn't release this as a single:

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still can't get over how great this scene was and how well the song works here


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Let's play some Minecraft on our /int/ server:
hub.dev-urandom.eu:25565 (version: 1.15.2)

Wiki with more information: http://dev-urandom.eu/
Overview map: map.dev-urandom.eu
IRC: irc.dev-urandom.eu - channels: #chat (ingame chat), #int
Pirate-friendly client: https://tlauncher.org/en/

Basic commands:
/spawn - Teleports you to the spawn.
/home - Teleports you to your home (set with /sethome or by sleeping in a bed like a fag).
/lb tb - Provides a melonblock that can show block changes.

Don't grief and don't be an asshole (obviously). Basically, you can build anywhere, although there are some limitations. There is enough space for everyone! Don't get discouraged by the autism of the server, things will get easier for you later. Also, mods, admins and other players may help you.

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Is this the old server from krautchan or is it new?
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Yes, it is the server from Krautchan
No. 40102
but the map is new, and updated
also official languages only in public chat

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Step 1: Post Random Pictures
Step 2: ?????
Step 3: Profit!
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Yeah sure, but the global society is not maintained at all, hence the money holes. Spend some unified effort in actually getting the world into a functional state and the maintenance costs will drop as the pits get shallower. I honestly think that this is about as much a pipe dream as all the memes about terraforming mars and crap. You don't got to give up the dream of one day going to space at all. It's more about making sure that your foundation is stable before you try and build the damn house.

If you want to be utilitarian about it, then think of it as an investment in science. A big portion of the world that is currently undereducated for the information age becomes far better educated and able to lend their own brightest minds to scientific endeavours in the future. You're getting more eggheads for all those pipe dreams when it comes time to do them.
No. 40007
I'm not against social programs per se, I just think that defunding research programs in favor of social programs is kinda pointless, especially since countries that have a space program worth a damn are either already well-off like USA, or have a huge population like China and India for which the redirected money would be just a drop in the sea. Although yes, it would be better if space agencies would tone down their advertisement of flashy projects like Mars colonization. But now that I think of it, those kinds of projects are probably designed to impress dumbass politicians to get more funds in the first place. It's harder to convince some senile senator with liberal arts education to give money for a bunch of satellites taking photos of some celestial body's surface for decades than for a FRIGGIN' SPACE COLONY.
No. 40008 Kontra
Oh, and I'm firmly against the space program in my own country. Lukashenko have already done and keeps doing lots of stupid shit, and we're not that rich to also launch rockets.
No. 40010
I think we're largely in agreement, just interpreting the assumed situation differently. I'm talking more about keeping funding as-is. Even with the funding that they've got, the various space agencies are doing plenty of work, some of which is quite massive in scope. I just think that going balls deep and dumping more money into space projects in particular is pointless, since lots of those examples like mars missions and such are prestige projects that could be accomplished with a rover with a lot less expense (and fanfare). Want people to gather specimens and come back? Send a rover and drop it with the return rocket. You now saved all that weight on food and lox and living space. Also as you say, there's more science than space science. Plus, funding 'science' isn't the way I'd frame it. I'd go with funding research instead because there's a lot of important non-STEM research happening too, despite what the imageboard memes about that region being nothing but made-up BS say.

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I dont know where to put this and I guess history thread is on systemkontra
Video is about Russia getting smaller. But my question is, do you think Russia's collapse in early 90s would not have happened if they didn't lose a massive amount of their population? Do you think it was ultimately generational population shocks that killed USSR?
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Fuck that shit with a capital F, Rev. Jim Jones.
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Ye, Portugal poster was right that this thematics will attract "political enthusiasts". Better disscus something more early, I don't know, Era of palatial upheavals, or, centuary of uprisings, something that will not attract this "communism good/bad" baby stuff.
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I don't know, this raises a bunch of questions:

- Did the Soviet experience leave unique characteristics in the former Soviet states?
- What other directions could have the Soviet Union taken in it's development?
- Was the 1917 revolution inevitable?

I think that it's possible that Russia could have taken a different route, continuing liberalizing since 1905 and taking steam from the socialist revolutionary movements.

On the Soviet Union itself, I suppose that all things considered, it could have gone significantly worse. Especially with its breakup, the end of the SU could have been a far more violent event if it wasn't for Gorbachev being Gorby.

And finally, I would say that the Soviet Union did create changes in Russian society that are present to this day. If for no other reason than how significant the 90s experience was for the development of modern Russian politics.

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>- Did the Soviet experience leave unique characteristics in the former Soviet states?
Well of cource it's did. It's almost impossible to make something "out of nowhere" like initial plan was, but of cource powrefull leadrship can choose directions and move society where it need to move. Imagine it like "evolution" when some organs can become rudimentary and other increase in size and make from Rat something that looks like gigantic monster Fish but still staying mammal.
Other may say that even this may be logical path and result of late Serfdom that affect masses and become ideal ground for shaping such regmine and society making russia just example of lagging behind nation that always affected by modern world around and all this Russia west-vs-east-vs-"it's own thing" philosophies. And question about is russia moving anywhere or fall into constant stagnation is more something on modern politics side if we going into such psyhology.
So it's basicly "fight" between 2 basic concepts - "Things that happen is result of current state of society" vs. "Thing than happen affecting direction where society evolve"

I think truth somewhere in middle ground. Is soviet union affected direction of evolution of countries it's left after it? Yes. Was soviet system result of state of society it was based on together with outside factors? Also yes.

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Old one autosage >>4705

Some nice music documentary about the German alternative Rock scene of the 60s and 70s, also known as Krautrock.

Krautrock - The Rebirth of Germany

Here's a little shorter video about Krautrock as well.
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This is a totally unrelated thing from kurzgesasgt about automation but I came here just because of how butthurt that made me. Fewer people doing jobs, stagnant man hours, stagnating wages, highly educated work force stuck flipping burgers and not owning their own homes or raising families, all this leaves me the question:
What exactly was the deal with automation in Communism? Because as more of my hyper Capitalist society has been automated they're trying to blame all this on automation but somehow I don't think that's why we're poorer. In fact I think that on some fundamental level automation and freeing up of energy was the reason everybody skyrocketed from late 19th century standards of living to modern ones and that that's been falsely attributed to Capitalism. I'm starting to get this weird suspicion that if anything increased living standards happened in spite of, not because of, Capitalism, and that the system has finally found a way to sponge off workers and consumers to such a level that everybody is getting put in cages while working for a couple Jeff Bezos in the world who themselves don't really end up working.

Am I wrong? It's almost like automation just got turned into a new way for the elite class to sponge off the rest of society and have to give less out, in man hours, in bottoming wages, in nobody having benefits anymore, etc. I say this because Communism also increased the standard of living but had literal feudal societies to work with modernizing whereas the rest of us were already modernized and industrial.

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Now that everyone has to be assburger by law I thought I'd share some mildly interesting documentaries.

>The Tulip Bubble

As you can imagine this documentary covers the tulip mania that gripped the Dutch Republic during the 17th Century. I liked the way it analysed the multitude of reasons why tulips became the first speculative bubble owing to biology and Dutch Calvinism.

I'm very fond of tulips. Womankind suffers because, even when I set out to buy roses, I cannot resist the allure of their sturdy petals and bell shape. Lovely/10 - would become a greedy tulip baron.

>Oak Tree: Nature's Greatest Survivor

This is a two part series that focuses on the wonders of oak with a special focus on a tree that dates back to the English Civil War. I especially liked learning about how the Trees root system has a mutually beneficial relationship with fungi that burrow into solid rock to extract phosphates.

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Automation increases productivity, which means you need less labor for the same level of output. In theoretical terms it is a pure benefit for society - you produce more with less.

In practical terms, it is very easy for the gains from automation to be funneled to only a few people at the top. Total productivity of the economy increases, meaning there is more money to go around, but there is no reason for the market to divert that productivity to the masses. Redundant workers are fired, instead of being paid more, or given fewer hours (and more free time) for the same pay. People get cheaper goods, but that tends not to offset the loss of income.

Mass disruptions due to labor productivity increases tend not to lead to unemployment, but rather shifts to less desirable employment. Farmers leave the countryside and move to the city to become factory wageslaves. Factory wageslaves lose their factory jobs and become Independent Contractors® for some app (and are paid even less than wageslaves).

This is why UBI will be necessary (though not sufficient). In the past, enough would be redistributed to the people in the form of wages and salaries to ensure a stable social equilibrium. But when humans are no longer worth hiring except for a small technical elite, this will no longer be the case, and the fruits of increased productivity will need to be forcibly redistributed to the ex-proletariat. There was a brief period in the 20th century where productivity gains led (generally) to greater welfare for all, when the grandson of peasants could get a well-paying factory job without any education or competition, and use the income from that job to support an entire family on his own. That period is gone, and the billions of dollars that are no longer going to the American people must be redirected back to their proper course.
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I've held out on mentioning his content until now, but I feel the breath, depth, and consideration of multiple viewpoints is with enough earnest effort to warrant calling it an educational documentary. And is about as KC-tier of an documentary as one could imagine.

If only he was a tad more consistent in explicitly providing sources in the Youtube description rather than through other channels.

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Do any Ernsts enjoy birding here? Recently I've been getting into it. About two weeks ago I bought a cheap bird feeder at tractor supply and hung it in my backyard. At first nothing bothered with the feeder, but slowly a number of birds began to take notice. Now I have chipping sparrows, house sparrows, house finches, northern cardinals, and gray catbirds visiting the feeder. I also leave a bowl of water on the ground for american robins and european starlings, which I change every morning. Unfortunately, I do not have a decent camera so I cannot provide images of my backyard visitors. Here are some photos I found using google images.
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>In Hungary the utility company insulates the poles and places nest-baskets on poles that are frequented by birds
I didn't realize this before reading your post, but after looking into it I discovered that we do that here for our Osprey, too. They're a protected species now, after a lot of them died in the 20th century due to hunting and chemicals. The birds like to build their nests in locations with a 360° view- which means they often try to use utility poles. To solve that problem, power companies install nest-boxes a safe distance away from the wires-similar to the ones in your pics.
I haven't noticed any nearby Osprey nests that use nest-boxes like that, but I have seen a few which the birds have built on top of lighting fixtures. Here is a one which I spotted in a Walmart parking lot. The last pic is what those lights look like without the nest. It's no wonder the Osprey chose this spot, that light makes a really great platform.
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On the Germany they habitate the roofs like kings!

Actually we're building dedicated poles for them and have not many above ground power lines.
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I think our power lines are a little too high for storks. They are hunting on the ground level anyway.
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Some birds spotted this morning.
Pic 1 is a juvenile double-crested cormorant. Since he wasn't swimming on the water impersonating a duck-like the other cormorants I encountered- I used his hooked beak to clearly distinguish him from an anhinga. Anhingas have pointed beaks. Oh, in case you can't see that hook, it shows up much better in a different picture, but I posted this one because I liked the composition.
Pic 2 shows a large number of roosting wood storks. I had to ignore a 'No Tresspassing' sign to get this close to them, but it was a Sunday morning, so nobody cares, right?
Pic 3 is a brief video of a downy woodpecker-posted with sound to demonstrate his tapping. I wasn't sure if he could be a hairy woodpecker, but the hairy woodpecker has a much longer bill.
Pic 4 is the same bird, and this shot reveals a very short bill. So it's a downy woodpecker.
In that video you can see another woodpecker(?) briefly fly into the frame and perch. Unfortunately I don't have any better pictures to properly identify him.
It was a fun morning, I hope you enjoy the pictures.

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What makes people join criminal gangs?
I can understand why someone would join a terrorist group because he thinks he is doing the right thing, but Gangs are clearly being the ones in r wrong
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Never been in a gang, but I always thought people joined them because they wanted to be part of a family, or community. These would be people who didn't have that-either at home or among their peers, and a gang was simply a ready-made group of friends. So joining wasn't primarily motivated by the 'criminal' part.
Of course that raises another question: Would the people who commit crimes as part of a gang-drugs, robberies, home invasions, etc- still be criminals if they were alone? Or are a lot of them heavily influenced by the subculture they have chosen to join? My guess would be that the latter is true, and that for better or worse, people tend to become like their friends.
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rip thread
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Unironically the exact same thing that makes somebody a poltard, or any ideological extremist. The ideology often comes secondary, with a sense of belonging, identification with an in-group and forming an identity for someone feeling lost, a sense of purpose even, as well as an overriding sense of power while also giving carte blanche to mischief are among the reasons why kids join these things. An official group like the military, or an underground terrorist organization, all ultimately prey upon the same psychological levers.
>but they're clearly in the wrong
Says who? One couldve just as easily said as much about calling yourself a Stalinist or a neonazi.
>but there's no greater purpose
It's a false and petty one but it gives people an objective in life and a purpose regardless, namely of loyalty to one's group and advancing their goals of money and power, which is ultimately the very same basic premise of any extremist or political group: to accumulate more wealth and power for the group. Criminal organizations simply don't hide what they are. I'd say that an organization like the Italian mafia is principally operating under the same concerns and concepts as any other. It's about making money and getting more power for your crew and yourself via the organization. This is fundamentally what someone like say a poltard is doing except they're trying to use race as a way to forcibly recruit a broader army but it's the same thing.
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I would assume the obvious, it's about poverty and lack of options, simple as that. Why would you search for a deeper meaning when people are simply pursuing the basic needs of sustenance and safety?

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We had a thread on old EC and there were a handful of people trying to lose weight this summer.

Have you made any more progress? Anyone starting to try who wasn't back then?

What are your methods and routines? What is your diet like?

I really wish that German vegetarian poster from KC that yelled at people for avoiding carbs was here. That was always really fun.

Personally, I think my goal of 19 bmi was a bad idea. I don't think there's much health benefit of being that compared to 21 or 22. I weigh what I did at 13 years old now. I'm really happy about that but while it looks good for my stomach it looks worse in other places. I'm probably going to stop here.

I'm most interested in the Finn who had a goal he wanted to reach by July.
No. 39827
It should be balance. Just diet with doing nothing will also be not very sucsesfull. But it's actually very individual things.

Are you running, or going to the gym? You can do gym stuff at home actually.
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Congratulations. If you're seeing physical changes in the mirror, then that's a victory-even if your weight doesn't drop as much as you would like.
All of our gyms and fitness centers are closed too, and I'm finding that it's very difficult to establish a new strength routine. Right now I'm using some light dumbbells, and doing push-ups, but not regularly, or with any intensity.
If you can, then increase your walking. That's what I did, and I'm also running a lot more. I'll probably come out of this quarantine weaker, but with a really great cardiovascular system.
No. 39876
>Are you running, or going to the gym?
I've been going to the gym for about 4 months now. I also prefer exercise bike to running, which is not very healthy for an overweight person.
>You can do gym stuff at home actually.
Technically, yes, but you need A LOT of space and quite a bit of money if you want to do it properly. I guess I'll have to buy some stuff at least.
Thank you!
It's annoying for sure but we'll pull through.
No. 39877
I am too lazy to make food myself but too poor to buy premade food.
Such is life.
Being underweight isn't that bad.

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In an ideal communist society free from inequality and oppression, who would do all the dirty work?
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There's a reason the word "Robot" is etymologically Slavic
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Robots, but equality is not well defined. For example you could give people who have to do unpleasant tasks certain major benefits. The community could agree that this is fair.
No. 39806
Dumb people, it's just that there would be no fatcat billionaires making them live like shit. It would be the party apparatus that makes them live like shit.

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This is the side of the virus outbreak that interests me the most. How would/will the spread of the virus affect the global economy assuming the Chinese government is unable to deal with the Coronavirus? I'll start off with some extracts from various articles that I found interesting and other Ernsts are free to extrapolate their onions. For example, here in the Far East of Russia some people are already reporting a shortage of chinese-grown vegetables in the stores

>China’s economic growth is expected to slip this year to 5.6 percent, down from 6.1 percent last year, according to a conservative forecast from Oxford Economics that is based on the impact of the virus so far. That would, in turn, reduce global economic growth for the year by 0.2 percent, to an annual rate of 2.3 percent — the slowest pace since the global financial crisis a decade ago.

>Returning from a long holiday for the first time since the coronavirus’ threat became clear, Chinese investors sent shares in China down about 9 percent on Monday morning. Stock markets around the world have plunged in recent days as the sense takes hold that a public health crisis could morph into an economic shock.

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Okey, your truth, but it is still so strange.

> Such is life in neoliberal transatlantic-orientated country.
Maybe, maybe...
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>your truth

D-do you really think that my name is THE GUARDIAN?

>Maybe, maybe...
Deal with the plain facts. Or be drawn into a lively discussion, as I am delivering triggering statements since 1917.
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> my name is THE GUARDIAN
I dont know, but maybe you are superhero, whose name is The Guardian.

> Or be drawn into a lively discussion...
There is no necessity to discuss that, bcs i think i agree your pose. My Maybe, maybe was be like So, i think i wanna anwaser this words, but dont wanna enter somemthinf like +++