Could be in the philosophy thread as well. Interesting for anybody who likes philosophy but is also interested in technology and science.

https://vimeo.com/156520798

It has english subtitles.

>A philosopher without an image
>Gilbert Simondon (1924-1989), a French philosopher as mysterious as he is important, is one of those who, as the saying goes, "were wrong to be right too soon". A thinker of technology and future, he created concepts in the 1960s to tell our world. His language resonates with the most utopian of contemporary proposals for a new pact between nature and technology. Read in his time by only a few close friends, including Gilles Deleuze, it is now translated throughout the world.
>Like no one else, he appears alone, fragile, always on the verge of rupture, but also endearing and honest. From him, we have no image, but from his thought, there are "place-moments" which are the visible point of his philosophy. From Lecce to Brest, from CERN in Geneva to the prehistoric caves of the Mas d'Azil, from the Collège de France to the mills of Flanders, thinkers recount how their journey was transformed by their encounter with Simondon. Lives and theories come together to tell the singularity of an approach.
>A haunting question comes to mind: what are the reasons that could have so obscured such a masterful work whose relevance and humanity enlighten us today?

One interviewed person discribes him as autistic :DDD. Anyway, a nice little doc about the ontology of Gilbert Simondon and his thinking about technology and the realtion it has to humans.

>>39524
This is something I've been realizing lately, namely that the welfare state is always going to be a feature in neoliberalism or most kinds of Capitalism frankly because it's ultimately not just less effort but also probably cheaper to do so rather than having to constantly put down rebellions and social strife by giving people parts of their money back to them. It is basically using public resources as bribery which largely strains the middle class but in such a way the middle class is bound to evaporate eventually thus leading to the collapse of that society anyway.

This realization came soon after I had the greater realization that all the prosperity talked about in the West is not in fact due to Capitalism like I had previously assumed, but rather in spite of Capitalism due to technical advances. It amazes me just how much Commie societies have managed to get their shit together after all kinds of society ruining events and circumstances. That it's own right isn't an endorsement of Communism mind you, but just pointing out the fact that had the Communists won the Cold War they'd probably still be living lives of plenty on some modern level while we all remained a bunch of impoverished third world shitholes in the wect.

Realistically speaking, poverty still existing at all is largely an artifact of the failures of this socio-economic system and points towards its general inferiority for a society because it is explicitly not designed to benefit society directly but rather that small globalist elite. Like what the hell kind of system uses quasi futuristic robots doing all our tasks while making people poorer and with access to fewer resources? Why the hell would we kick half of society onto the streets if we found a way to replace half their tasks? It's insanity. Why would the costs of production keep going down but the costs of everything else keep going up?

I suspect that a lot of this is built around expecting people to be too stupid or uninformed and adding enough steps to obscure the true nature of things. It's kinda like having society wide universal surveillance systems in place but convincing a bunch of morons to actually pay what little they're allowed to keep for the privilege of being spied on by Siri and Alexa, and doing things in such an obtuse way people don't notice or not letting them have access to that information while constantly pushing a bunch of issues like race, abortion, homosexuality etc to distract them.

Realistically speaking I've come to realize that the greater extent of my ease and luxury is fueled almost solely by technical advances. Keep in mind Americans work harder than rest of the developed world too by and large. On top of that we have more land than anyone else on the planet, including Canada and Russia because most of their land is useless tundra and permafrost, and yet we constantly have unoccupied buildings and unoccupied land and the housing prices are absurdly through the roof. Housing alone absorbs a ridiculous amount of all our budgets here. Food is cheap not because of Capitalism but because of the advances in things like fertilizer and machinery.

This is all partly just because of an interest in science fiction where it becomes rather easy to compare with cyberpunk dystopias and the recognition that we have the latter precisely because of the system model which is not flawed but rather working perfectly according to design, and that is because no one ever seems to question whether their assumptions of the end goal are what is flawed. I realized that early on in high school where it dawned on me that our school systems are not shitty because of a flaw in design, but rather that our collective assumptions of their purpose is wrong, namely that it is to be a factory for churning out obedient worker drones who mindlessly obey authority and are susceptible to advertising and other forms of propaganda and who are readily expended to die for Israel and corporations.

>>43188
I'd say state is refering to a sovereign government over a territory. Nation is indeed a young concept and is coupled with a patriotic believe of a community that oftentimes equals in it's scope that of the state territory.
A state is more a legal body and a form of organization whereas a nation is an emotional referent that works as orientation for identity. A frenchman develops pride in his Republic because it seem to have a certain characteristics he can identify with. Ofc these are rather general and it's a homogenization that never works out empirically as it is dreamed of.

>The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

t. Schopenhauer

>>43174

>and the attitude of oversimplifying issues to make your point snappier

Do you expect somebody write an essay on his protest sign?

Well those Germans who keep bitching about "occupation" should have something to be happy about at least
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/donald-trump-makes-good-on-threat-to-withdraw-troops-from-germany-jqvmw7vdg
He isn't even taking that many out. He's only pulling a fraction of the military which frankly any so called liberal or leftist ought to be applauding. We waste trillions on this bullshit.

I was thinking about it while taking a break smoking today and realized that with the amount of money we waste on the military industrial complex I and everybody else could be living rent free. This is because I realized that that trillions dollar bailout that funneled $600-minus taxes (yes our unemployment gibes is taxed income btw) on UI benefits plus the $1200 check ultimately was not actually a bailout for Americans, it was a bailout to the landlords.

All of that money was basically just going to people so they could keep paying rent, in which case basically the property owners are all a middleman who doesn't really do anything.

Why shouldn't we just have the government build buildings for people to live in and then have people pay taxes for it while cutting out the middleman? It just seems from a business standpoint like a really inefficient and wasteful business model with superfluous leeching from the system.

Meanwhile
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/treasury-sec-says-no-economic-shutdown-for-coronavirus-resurgence
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499054-trump-says-he-will-not-close-country-if-there-is-a-second-wave-of
https://www.newsweek.com/treasury-secretary-mnuchin-says-us-cant-shut-down-economy-again-if-coronavirus-second-wave-occurs-1510274
Meanwhile
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/treasury-sec-says-no-economic-shutdown-for-coronavirus-resurgence
The stock market is crashing again because
https://www.ibtimes.com/arizona-new-coronavirus-hotspot-states-health-director-urges-hospitals-use-emergency-2991437
In the famous words of Lord Buckethead "it. will be. a shitshow."

You know what you are doing by posting like this here. It comes across as being deliberately inflammatory. EC culture is different to many imageboards where posters try to bump their thread to to the top by being deliberately inflammatory and by posting bait. Seeing that you didn't just create the thread and leave, I'll give you my honest opinion.

Firstly, I do not support black lives matter.
George Floyd was indeed not a very good person. However, I do think that the police officer in question used unnecessary force. This is where my sympathy with the protesters/rioters ends. I see the underlying (unconscious?) purpose of the movement as a whole as just the strengthening of progressive political power.

Actual police abolition (as some anarchists imagine) would be the abolition of the modern state. This would result in anarchy, vigilante justice, and revenge killings.
Now we can debate about this all we want, but I think any such abolition should involve a very gradual change spurred on by incentives (cultural, economic, etc.). When I went up north in the countryside to buy certain foods and goods in rural Canada, there was no owner on site, just a donation box and various goods labelled with prices. The owner of the farm had the expectation that I would pay the appropriate price for the goods, and not just steal the goods and money outright. There was mutual trust between me and owner, and an expectation of a general "good will" between people. The state has no role here. I cannot be punished if I break the law, and the law is essentially meaningless here.
If such a thing as a stateless society can exist in a real meaningful sense, this is the closest in modern society (that I have personally witnessed) that approaches it.
I do not see such a form of organization arising in Minneapolis from actual police abolition.

Needless to say, this won't happen. The establishment is not going to abolish the police. It knows it can't.
The movement of "Police Abolition" is simply a demonstration of how far the mainstream will go to lie to their base to convince people that what they are doing is "radical".

This being said, what is likely to come from this Police Abolition/Defunding movement and how does it differ from what I want?
I'm in favour of community control over discretionary policing. This means that community representatives should be able to control how police patrol their neighbourhoods when no crime is committed. I also think active neighbourhood watches are good to the extent that they are possible. The purpose is to increase community ownership over the people who police them. If discretionary policing is essential to keep crime low (as most middle-class communities think) they can choose this tactic. If they don't believe this, they can accept a possibly higher crime rate. The point, once more, is control and ownership. If communities have a problem with police policy they are empowered to directly reform such policy, starting with how the police patrol their own neighbourhoods. The most likely result, again, is that this won't happen.

How does this differ from what's likely to come from the Defund/Abolishment movement that we are seeing right now?
Well, there might be a name change, a change of uniform (to trick gullible activists), or maybe some tweaks on the rules of engagement, but otherwise, the change will largely be cosmetic.

However, if this is really the beginning of an actual restructuring of the police I see two directions in which it can go:

Firstly, an ideological remaking of the police force. The restructuring would allow them to fire political wrong-thinkers from the department and replace them with ideologues and loyalists. This would mark the transformation of the police into a kind of progressive commissariat. Most likely this reform would work towards directly decriminalizing certain property and drug crimes in certain geographical areas to artificially equalize arrests between black and white communities. I can't imagine this transition not resulting in a massive crime spike. Knowledge of which will probably be suppressed until it is impossible to avoid the fact that the reform movement killed more black lives than it saved.

This is likely lead to the second direction: the full federalization of the police force.
This is a good arrangement for Democrats since it takes responsibility from Democratically ruled municipalities and places it with the Feds who still have some Republican patsies to blame things on. Still, even without the Republicans, Federal bureaucracies will be very hard to be held accountable for specific abuses since problems that occur in inner cities will be attributed to policies and systems designed to control order on a national scale. I speculate here that bureaucrats will ramp up police powers across the board in the hope that they might fix things in the black communities where problems emerge. This in fact incentives police brutality. The members of police that are most willing to get involved in mass crime ridden zones are those who tend be more violent and sociopathic, instead of those who are peaceable and empathetic. This results in more action being taken against police brutality, then local police becoming more ineffective, then crime rates increasing, and so on. You see where this is going.

All in all, a very bad circumstance.

Progressive spokespeople want a homogenization of the problem with other abstract issues like "racism". They want top-down oversight where it is never clear who is responsible for anything, and where a solvable problem is converted into a driver for more spending and political capital. The red team is made accountable to the blue team, or replaced with the blue team altogether. The result: increasing progressive political capital, while restraining their ideological enemies. This type of political maneuvering would be admirable, if it weren't so scarily effective.

"IQ" as a concept is much more hardwired. Your overall capacity for certain things like pattern recognition if you were a truly stupid individual would always be diminished and you'd always have to work harder, however it is still possible to overcome one's own limitations through hard work, at times in a way that "smarter" individuals will not namely because they are lazier. It reminds me, loosely, of Napoleon complex guys achieving much while the handsome jock may while away his time getting laid and being debauched and thus fail later in life, or the tortoise and the hare, or the story of Mike Tyson. You see Tyson got bullied a lot as a kid and his chief motivation for becoming a fighter and the first fight he got in was because some kid ripped off his pet pigeon's head. Now he's world heavy weight champion and can afford to keep as many pigeons as he fucking wants and be left in peace.

There is a degree to which one can always compensate for their deficits, and often times people will end up vastly overcompensating for them. The overwhelming underriding drive here is "I'm still not good enough." So basically while someone else might be doing stupid shit like getting high and playing videogames while engaging in pointless navel gazing with their high school buddies, if you maintain that internalized drive to better yourself it's possible the allegedly IQ120 kid is just going to atrophy into mediocrity at best, whereas you otoh will have bettered yourself into being a well read and perhaps scholarly man. The difference is just that you'll have way more difficulty in that area, chiefly of overcoming your own frustrations and converting that anger into Drive.

It's like having weak as shit genes for strength in a sense. You might have a predisposition to becoming fat, or of never building muscle tone, and maybe you will never aspire to the same heights as those born athletes, but nothing is stopping that athlete from leading a sedentary existence eating pastries and burgers and just turning into a disgusting fatass whereas the person who maybe needs to out three times the effort into it can still get super strong and become cultured. Nature is only part of the struggle. A critical part, but still only a part. So if you spend all your time reading, doing puzzles, and trying to learn a new language or three, you're still going to end up being "smarter" or far more intellectual than someone who otherwise might be smarter than you.

A key thing is obviously not wasting your time on trash like k*hl or the internet in general for the matter especially Twitter, or dumb YT videos or celebrities or whatnot. Read literature. Watch good documentaries. Understand the basics of concepts and work your way up to more advanced concepts. Read wikipedia articles for fun.

It's like everything else. Shitty IBs are the mental equivalent of junk food. If you consume nothing but trash you'll feel like trash and operate like trash. It requires the discipline that I frankly lack and has dragged me deeply down into the mud to abstain from the immediate gratification and focus on the less pleasurable task at hand for a plausible future reward. You can still better yourself physically for example by working out but if you do nothing but consume twinkies and fried chicken and coca cola all day then you're just working against yourself.

Find something like the mental equivalent of low weights before working up. Force yourself off the slob couch of imageboards and go to something familiar enough like wikipedia. Just keep clicking random links and reading about random things. Work your way up to the citations and references section of the article. Get to the point where you can take books out of the library. Learn more in depth about some chosen topic and try forcing yourself to stick with it. Don't move on until you feel a bit of mastery, and when you do, make sure to find something that challenges that sense of mastery (as iirc brick said in another thread, or maybe the american I forget re: dunning effect etc.)

Try taking up math. Start with the simpler concepts. You wouldnt expect to start benching 350 lbs so dont get discouraged and frustrated when you can't make sense of advanced algebra or speak German fluently or whatever. Learn to avoid junk food like the plague online. I have not been doing this and I feel massively dumber and just trashier and unhealthier as a result. EC at least has been helping to wean me off that and provided a refreshing sense of my own stupidity.

A key detail is if the people around you are making you feel stupid, you're in the right place. I still remember my first weeks of college where I went from feeling like some kind of intellectual in my high school to feeling dumb as a brick of shit my first semester. I felt completely untalented and stupid. Maybe it's still true in a sense, but it forced me most importantly to have more discipline and to sharpen my mind a bit, rather than the fatal poison of self satisfaction. Never let yourself feel self satisfied in anything, Ernst. If you want one thing of your enemies, it should be for them to feel that for extended amounts of time. Let others make you feel dumb or weak and try to catch up with them, challenge yourself, learn real satisfaction from the surmounting of great personal challenges, and be humble enough to start small and disciplined enough on the follow through.

If you already feel dumb you're on the right path. Just don't beat yourself up, beyond the way you'd beat pig iron into a fine sword.

>>42519
>>42522
You're bitching about all this while bumping a lone k*hl thread for whatever reason. Maybe the problem isn't the thread, but you my friend. Have you considered trying to engage in any of the other threads going back 25 pages instead of a cabbage tier shitposting thread?

As for the board itself it's a good way to start weaning yourself off internet addiction. I am perpetually embarrassed at how severely I have wasted my life on the dumb shithole that was KC. Anything after like 2014 was complete garbage yet I stuck around for years because you can hit refresh. If you want to see what that garbage leads us you can check out wherever the cabbagetard pedo network moved these days or 4kanker. I'm sure either will be brilliantly edifying and not filled with sick fucks and sad retards.

If anything it has shown me how pathetic IBs not are, not become, but always were. I wasted the better part of my youth on this trash and pity anyone who wasnt at least dating girls or going out to bars like I was, or building careers. I'd imagine anyone who didn't even have that would be fertile grounds for implanting any moronic ideology whatsoever provided it made them feel good or a pretend sense of belonging that's totally fake and based on flimsy pretenses while feeding them nonstop misinformation, hate, and envy.

What's sad about this is the entire internet is on a level of trash right now I don't have words to describe it. I'm waiting for the West to largely implode of it's own stupidity and triviality. YouTube is nonstop garbage holy fuck. I mean the stupidest shit imaginable shows up in my recommended time after time I don't even know how it gets there like "Noah's ark found" how does shit that dumb end up on my feed after watching animal videos, plague documentaries, and video game reviews. I can't even find many really great docs and even the ones on there are often those tainted loud American XXXTReme ones.

What I do regret is not having found a better safe haven because the masses of these morons, these ideological zombies, will overrun here someday and I do not know of any other site filled with like students and people who have their Masters or scientists and stuff like that. It has begun filling me with a bottomless loathing for the commoner that matches only my loathing for the dumbass elites we have telling people to go out and get sick for Mammon and drink bleach. The average person is clearly incapable of doing anything but utterly destroying any forum or imageboard and likely the only ones that haven't been or won't get ruined I won't ever know about, for it if I do, it is likely the retards would find out and flock to it soon after.

Maybe I should lurk forums for aircraft controllers and pilots or something.