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Hey ernst!
What are some cool websites?

https://news.ycombinator.com/news - Cool news, technology related mostly
http://spaceweather.com/ - Mostly news about the sun. Hot tips on solar spots and incoming flares, information on solar cycle etc.
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Cool topographic map of the world

And detailed climate data of many cities around the world
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Dang sry
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https://www.oldbookillustrations.com/ - Vintage illustrations that have been lovingly scanned, uploaded and organized.

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as above just a random walk.
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And I also forgot HK made one too.

How popular is Pachinko?
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Only seen it in Japan, also didn't have an idea what I was doing but it was fun.
There may have been some children ones, obviously not as good, you could see them in Taiwan, but not the real thing.
Gambling is really big over here, all Chinese are prone to gambling addiction.
Gambling is also illegal in China and HK.
That doesn't stop them having Mahjong houses, and Gov allowed betting shops, a race course in Happey Valley and Casinos in Macao.
Of course they are all addicted to their phones now.
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Are you a native Hongkonger?
No. 23961 Kontra
He is from the United Kingdom.

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I just found out about this board. I am happy. Reposting an IWO from some months ago because happiness
A park in Lima City
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I was really disappointed by it but then again I went to probably a shitty, smelly beach in Santa Monica at night. The Pacific intimidates the shit out of me by its sheer size though. You can look at one whole side of the planet and basically it's nothing but that ocean.
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Actually how different if at all is it between going to a California beach and a Peruvian one?
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The size adds to the appeal. On one hand it almost feels only one barrier stands between you and the other side. On the other hand, the scale is dwarfing, especially at night and when you look at the city in comparison.
I've never been to California, and not a lot of beaches in general so I can't compare. I can only really compare it to places like Ica, which are generally prettier. Still, in Lima itself you have conventional beaches along with cliffs, which attract people who want a seaside experience but don't want to deal with beachgoears or sand.
Went to a museum all about electricity. They had an exhibit where you can power some lightbulbs with a bike. My pedaling can only light three of them though.
Also in Barranco you can find art shops. This one has a mural by Jade Rivera. I bought a few prints but I can't find them.
Oh lawd.
An American-style diner. Dunno how it is though, heard it's OK.
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From winter 2016. For comparison's sake here's some more seaside images.
Some areas don't have beaches but they do have these rocky miniature peninsulas where people just stand and take in the ocean.
Some cliffs are popular destination spots. There's one where it's said a monk threw himself into the ocean. Some guy reenacts this frequently, lunging into the sea and climbing back out. Unfortunately I wasn't able to take a good shot of him.
Little guy wants to go the city.

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Why don’t we just euthanize old demented people instead of putting them in facilities? Clearly no one wants to live in such a state anyway and this sort of care is extremely costly. It would be more humane and economical to just end their suffering. Many families are ruined financially from having to pay for such accommodations, and for what? So the empty shell of a loved one can be entrusted to strangers and forgotten about, only to expire eight years later of pneumonia? Why not have a little moral courage, spare everyone the trouble, and give the poor bastards a merciful death? I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a facility that primarily houses people with dementia, but let me tell you they’re grim places.
No. 23716
Every time I see shit like this it just convinces me more and more Socialists may have a good point.

Are you seriously saying we should just kill our parents and grandparents for love of the dollar?
>It would be more humane and economical to just end their suffering
>and economical
>and this sort of care is extremely costly.
So is raising kids. Should we all just sterilize ourselves too?
>but let me tell you they’re grim places.
Then that's the problem to begin with, and that at least in this country lots of people shuffle their elders off to live in nursing homes forgotten until they die.
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this was quite a common practice in ye older days
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Apparently with very complicated social and political decisions and discussions regarding the legal age of consent for euthanasia.
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In earlier days, people would just eat and drink less and less and their family would figure they can't force them and let them die.

The problem is that nowadays people think they must do everything to fight death, while simultaneously not caring about each other at all.

Does a person require greater care than gentle reminders to eat and drink without actively requesting it? Yes? Well, do so if you are very invested for some reason, but it's not required anymore.

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Anyone feel like Varg got it right all along?

I see the climate events and how our countrymates react. In spite of our country being lucky enough to, most likely, not being negatively affected by a temperature increase of several degrees.

Of course civilization is heading into the often recited abyss. It should have been obvious that the reliance on ever-increasing technological advances leads us nowhere.

Still, the average climate-aware Austrian acts like his car was the sole reason for Indians dying of thirst and will spend the remaining time in normalcy making it as awful as possible for himself, all while deciding not to reproduce FoR tHe ClImAtE.

Yes, civilization as it is now is probably doomed. There is nothing we can do about it. However, people are literally losing their minds about it while being completely blind to what this means for the future.

I doubt that Varg and his family will suffer severe consequences even if the climate crashes completely. And they will probably prepared to shoot the southern horde trying to take over the northern lands (as will every European country when push comes to shove).

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I don't understand this figure.
Why are the oceans <=-20°C? The right label would be "no data", right?
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> Varg
yes, id love to listen to an ex black metal musician and his ramblings about shit he doesnt have a clue about. meanwhile stupid people like most poster in this thread doesnt have the brains to listen to people who has a clue becuase that would require thinking. this is why we cant have nice things.
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Indeed. It's not like there is a lack of people who can explain scientific topics well. Still, people talk about Varg because despite all denial they want to be edgy first and foremost.

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>Since there is no philosophy threda
here it is.

i was lately toying with a little idea and wanted to hear Ernst's input on it.

As you all may know we have a serious problem with plastic pollution. We developed some genetic engineered fungi capable of breaking down plastics and reintroduce the parts into the "normal" biological cycle. I'm not aware of some genetic engineered bacteria capable of doing such, but let's suppose we have some.

would you introduce these into the wild bio-cycle?

I would tend towards "yes". First, let's try to imagine/determine all possible consequences. Ya, yaha. I know impossible task to do so; just look at what fuckery we did to the australian bio-cycle.

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Started reading the first pages of The most radical gesture by Sadie Plant, former member of the CCRU. It's her dissertation from 1992 and written before she even went to Warwick. Yet I expect it to reveal connections between situationist thinking/practice and that of the CCRU.

A good subsumption of postmodernism is given in there right at the start:

Of course, the situationists’ attempt to transform everyday life has been defeated, although their involvement with the upheavals of 1968 made them believe they had succeeded in helping it on its way. Neither have there been any further projects of the scale of that perpetrated by the SI and, in the present fin de millénium atmosphere of postmodernity, such all-encompassing revolutionary theories are said to be no longer possible. They bear the illegitimate arrogance of political totalitarianism, depending on unsupportable beliefs and assuming the possibility of ascertaining the way the world really is, regardless of the vicissitudes of appearance or the ambiguities of meaning. On this reading, the situationists’ attempt to construct a unified theory of capitalism merely brought them within the totality they thought they were opposing. But in spite of the radical opposition of situationist and postmodern thought, all theoretisations of postmodernity are underwritten by situationist theory and the social and cultural agitations in which it is placed. The situationist spectacle prefigures contemporary notions of hyperreality, and the world of uncertainty and superficiality described and celebrated by the postmodernists is precisely that which the situationists first subjected to passionate criticism.

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Anyone here read René Guénon?
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The Aneristic Principle is that of apparent order; the Eristic Principle is that of apparent disorder. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of pure chaos, which is a level deeper than is the level of distinction making.
With our concept-making apparatus called "the brain" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about-reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently.
It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T) True reality is a level deeper than is the level of concept. We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The order is in the grid. That is the Aneristic Principle.
Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be true. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.
Disorder is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the Eristic Principle.

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William James, A Pluralistic Universe

Reduced to their most pregnant difference, empiricism means the habit of explaining wholes by parts, and rationalism means the habit of explaining parts by wholes. Rationalism thus preserves affinities with monism, since wholeness goes with union, while empiricism inclines to pluralistic views. No philosophy can ever be anything but a summary sketch, a picture of the world in abridgment, a foreshortened bird's-eye view of the perspective of events. And the first thing to notice is this, that the only material we have at our disposal for making a picture of the whole world is supplied by the various portions of that world of which we have already had experience. We can invent no new forms of conception, applicable to the whole exclusively, and not suggested originally by the parts. All philosophers, accordingly, have conceived of the whole world after the analogy of some particular feature of it which has particularly captivated their attention. Thus, the theists take their cue from manufacture, the pantheists from growth. For one man, the world is like a thought or a grammatical sentence in which a thought is expressed. For such a philosopher, the whole must logically be prior to the parts; for letters would never have been invented without syllables to spell, or syllables without words to utter.
Another man, struck by the disconnectedness and mutual accidentality of so many of the world's details, takes the universe as a whole to have been such a disconnectedness originally, and supposes order to have been superinduced upon it in the second instance, possibly by attrition and the gradual wearing away by internal friction of portions that originally interfered.

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I dont know where to put this and I guess history thread is on systemkontra
Video is about Russia getting smaller. But my question is, do you think Russia's collapse in early 90s would not have happened if they didn't lose a massive amount of their population? Do you think it was ultimately generational population shocks that killed USSR?
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If you mean in the privacy of RAC Bernd's own home, then yes, he is free to post and discuss such music. He's also free to buy such music without anyone giving him grief. That wasn't the point.

You obviously don't care about extreme music (after all, you are a Christian, I wouldn't expect anything less from you), but to bring you up to speed, Antifa have been a menace in getting Black Metal shows canceled. Just look at the wave of Black Metal shows that got cancelled between 2016 to today as well as the rampant deplatforming they've spearheaded:

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Perhaps such things and terms are REALLY a thing on the americas. But if not...gosh, are you guys retarded, I must say.
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Why are you talking about yourself in third person?
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>Said Montreal police constable Benoît Boisselle about the Communist antifascist terrorists who attacked the the police protecting the Messe des Morts festival where Graveland was scheduled to play. The Antifa thugs were clearly supported not only by the communist Industrial Workers of the World union but by the local Montreal city government too. Three of the perpetrators identities are known: recidivist junkie and anti-Semite Katie Nelson, Éric Sédition (a card-carrying member of the IWW), and Alexandre Bouleric (member of the Canadian federal parliament from a district in Montreal). All walk free to terrorize again.

>The Canadian government of social justice warrior Justin Trudeau and the German government of General Secretary Merkel clandestinely supports the leftist attempts
Yeah I'm done I'm not reading any more of this bullshit. How about actually giving us some unbiased sources on this? The idea that antifa are both a "real menace" and not just an imaginary one, and that the cops of all people are on their side, is exactly the kind of crazy bullshit I meant. It's even harder for me to take a bunch of middle class white kids crying like pussies about their victim complex because theres allegedly a few hooligans. Know what we used to call that? A fucking mosh pit.

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What does Ernst think of the Five Eyes?
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Well related to 5E anyway
We first need to hasten the utter destruction of all the industrialist, right wing, and neoliberal governments around the world to get anything done though.
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No, destruction is something that neoliberalism and capitalism is very, very good at averting. It has been tried in many ways and the outcome almost always seems to make them stronger.
Look at how the punk movement tried to fight capitalism and how capitalism has now integrated so many aspects of it that nobody raises an eyebrow when they see a $5 T-Shirt with an anarchist symbol printed on it, manufactured halfway around the world in a sweat-shop.

The problem is not that nobody tries to fight it, but that it's so damn difficult to do anything that has a lasting effect.
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I think you're thinking of in-n-out. 5 guys is based out of DC or VA iirc. I think they're primarily east coast.
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> there are two main parties
Incorrect. You're too into this Seppo idea. Australian government has always had several parties in the parliament. In fact our current government is a coalition, primarily made up of the Liberals and the Nationals (former Country party), the very notion that you completely forget about our third major party just goes to show that you're a completely ignorant city-dweller or a Queenslander (where the Liberals have been completely subsumed by the Nationals since they don't have any support.)

The Nationals have 10 seats in parliament, the Liberal National Party (Which is just the Queensland branch of the National party) has 23 seats, while the Liberal party only has 44. 33 vs 44 to make up the very slim majority government of 77 seats? Its a very clear coalition government, its not some either-or situation.

> so nobody can have an actual agenda because otherwise they'd implode
In what world do parties not have different factions? You make out that these factions are somehow worthy of being a separate party? Yeah, there are a few people vying for leadership positions, but that doesn't really even divide them too much. The PM isn't even in the constitution, the party that forms government can choose whoever to be the public face of it, they don't even need to have a PM. It happens in minor parties all the time, its just completely out of the public eye because they've only got a single seat and we vote for people, not parties, so it is pretty much irrelevant.

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I guess speed is fine enough to keep the thread afloat for considerable time.

Let's play some Minecraft on our /int/ server:
hub.dev-urandom.eu:25565 (version: [current version here])

Wiki with more information: http://dev-urandom.eu/doku.php/
Overview map: http://map.dev-urandom.eu/map/
IRC: irc.dev-urandom.eu - channels: #chat (ingame chat), #int
Pirate-friendly client: http://mc.dev-urandom.eu/MC_Open_Launcher-1.1.1.jar

Basic commands:
/spawn - Teleports you to the spawn.
/home - Teleports you to your home (set with /sethome or by sleeping in a bed).

Don't grief and don't be an asshole (obviously). Basically, you can build anywhere, although there are some limitations. There is enough space for everyone! Don't get discouraged by the autism of the server, things will get easier for you later. Also, mods, admins and other players can help you.

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Are you talking about this tower?
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No. Is this from the old map?
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>Pirate-friendly client: http://mc.dev-urandom.eu/MC_Open_Launcher-1.1.1.jar

Link seems to be broken
No. 23595
What! This thread is still here? Almost a year. Have a Zombie bump.

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Since a few of us here are seriously interested in religion, let us have a discussion for all things related to faith, theology, spirituality, metaphysics, et cetera. Virtually everything within the purview of faith is welcome in this thread. Absolutely no restrictions on any particular belief system. Cults are as welcome as major religion so long as they have serious, substantial beliefs. Agnostics, atheists, secularists and the non-religious are welcome, but keep your inquiries and arguments in good faith.
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Characteristics ascribed to God aren't about the nature of God, but about we perceive It. This is called negative theology, and it's the most basic kind of theology. God is indeed far too big and complex for our heads to grasp and our languages to speak of, but we can grasp and speak of his doings in this world, and this is the whole point of Revelation. Lets put it this way, we cannot grasp the godhead, but we can see the consequences of his hands acting in this world. When Jews call God "Father" or "Lord", they aren't saying that he has testicles or is a landed nobleman, they are giving him the highest human authority that our minds and languages can ascribe. Again this is just basic theology, they are very well aware that our minds and languages can't describe such a supreme being, but our minds and languages are all that we have, so we do it anyway, which goes to remember also that we are mere creatures with very limited powers. This way, the problem of ineligibility of God and God's powers lies in our own limitations, not in his.

And you're wrong in many ways saying that this is a problem of Abrahamic religions only. It is a problem of any metaphysical kind of religion (Hinduism has similar problems) as well as natural theology and even rationalistic philosophy. The whole debate between Idealism and Realism lies on this, it's very typical of idealists such as Kant, for example, to deny that we can have real access to the Reality out of our minds, but that we should try anyway, and that our job is to try to build idealistic models of reality that work well enough through science, but that we should always be aware that they are just scientific attempts, and not actually a description of reality.

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> this is a problem of Abrahamic religions only
Never said that. Most holier then though types on the internet comes from this strain of believers though. So it is easier to argue with.

> swedeball
What does that have to do with anything? Also desert religion isn't anything different then norse mythos. The Abrahamic god is just a god who's inventors won a war, real or cultural. There were a lot of gods running around in the desert, most of them are evil spirits or something nowadays. I was refraining from saying that but there you have it. Your whole life perception is based on some dudes in the desert killing some other dudes and raping their women.

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>There were a lot of gods running around in the desert, most of them are evil spirits or something nowadays.
That's the point and you still missed it. What I'm saying is that monotheism is just a natural upgrade to polytheism, which is an upgrade to shamanism and animism (and then there are people claiming that rationalistic atheism is an upgrade to monotheism). There's clearly progress in religious belief. Religions are about explaining things that are out of our control but greatly affects us (death being the main thing), advanced forms of polytheism typically have an hierarchy among gods, the higher god typically accumulates a lot of power, specially when it comes to being the creator of things, until other gods lose godhood and become angels, demons, etc. Hierarchy among gods is bound to happen when those believers begin to question what are the relationships among the many gods, because if gods have some kind of absolute authority among humans that we just have to accept (again, death), then it is natural to question which one of them has more authority over the other. Now what some people such as Habermas claim is that enlightened atheism came from christianity/judaism, because worshiping one god only ends up making it so that a lot of earthly things no longer can be explained by the action of gods, spirits, demons and so on; these things are now free to be explained by human reason. During the middle ages catholicism reintroduced ways of attributing earthly things to transcendental powers (Saints, dead people, etc), but protestantism banished all of that. I read this theory through Habermas, but I have an impression that it's Weberian in origin (never bothered to look for it).

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Religion is a system that installs a bunch of commandments (up to 613 in some cases), a whole layer of piety and a generic prayer curriculum into the psyche. This is characteristic of every religion save the Ba'hai one (the purest, most exalted and yet underappreciated Abrahamic religion). Religare - something binding. You have to display belief in certain precepts and maintain the required piety.
True esoteric religion is, on the other hand, liberating rather than binding, and instead of a set of dead dogma and teachings it, rather, introduces a connection with the One Living Deity that is everything and active in every moment and manifests itself in absolutely every objective phenomenon as a guiding force and an unseen mover. This is the esoteric doctrine that has been one and the same between Taoism and Rosicrucianism, between Martinism and ancient Sumer. There were never, at any time, two competing esoteric doctrines.