I do not understand why this is supposed to be some sort of a difficult question. Clearly Theseus' ship simply becomes less and less of itself. Each time a part is replaced it comes back less and less, like how Beric Dondarrion described his process of being repeatedly brought back from the dead, until such a time as there is nothing left. All the pieces of it in a pile is the original ship. The reconstructed ship sitting in the harbor is clearly a new ship, with it going from mostly the same ship, to somewhat the same, to only a little bit the same ship, to mostly not the same ship until finally the last nail gets plucked out at which point it becomes 100% a different ship.

What you may call as the same ship if it is a specific museum attraction becomes the attraction itself, and it does not become a different attraction because the object of the attraction itself doesn't change, only the object within the attraction, so it merely goes from "attraction of the Theseus' ship" to "attraction of replica of Theseus' ship." The part within the object has changed, but the object of the attraction remains.

I can only think that one reason somebody might have a problem with that is because of the fact that we have a very trepidatious understanding of our own selfhood, which of course bears the question "am I not then the same person?" and I think that the answer which would be much more startling is evidenced by our language of it itself: "I was a different person then." Your cells are supposedly completely renewed once every 7 years, so that truism goes, which frankly is very clearly evident both physically and mentally and emotionally. Your only concept for the singularity of the sense is an enduring strand built around a constantly shifting memory complex, which I think shows a certain inferiority in Western philosophy in general as opposed to the Eastern conceptualizations of selfhood which do not have the same problem of concerning things as eternal and iconoclastic against the world. If all of your memories could be fundamentally altered too then would you still be the same person? Most likely not, and with the sole conceptualization of a human being as being the same is that of the immortal soul, which would remain the sole unchanging part to the human-complex of objects.

This is also why I've always thought the concept of teleporters in Star Trek was so fucking stupid and quite frankly it is frightening to me that so many secular materialists would just take it at face value that that is the same person, because it is clearly not. An identical replica of something is still only that--a replica. Just because he may think and hear and believe and act as you do, does not actually mean that he's the same guy. It means the moment you step into that teleporter, you die; when a man steps out, it is a perfect imposter who has simply assumed your identity and function in the world.

This much remains true regardless of whether you believe in the immortal soul or not. The difference is that in the longer term you are gradually replaced into being a different person who is both an imposter to the former you as well as its authentic representation, because you accept that you have changed, and who is in no way a good replica of the old you, and the teleporter "you," who is at once a perfect replica with no deviation whatsoever from the former you, and the inauthentic one.

Were souls real I cannot say how that would change the equation or theorize two very theoretical things, because it would have to be done as an experiment to see if you experienced exiting your body, or if you noticed any difference, including a perceived sense of being "hollow" which itself is a rather interesting concept, that of hollowness.

For purposes of this post authenticity is the honest and truthful statement of fact and attempt to most closely reconcile things for how they are, as opposed to inauthenticity which attempts to represent things as you wish they would be or not be and thus wish either you perceive either yourself to be different than what it is or wish others perceive you differently than you are, with absolute authenticity likely being the sole domain of either a sufficiently advanced computer or God.

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The differences between you today and you yesterday are minuscule. I don't see a mere interrupt in the stream of consciousness as carrying that transformative weight and beside which it neglects that you don't merely lie there motionless but dream, and I think it's well arguable given whatever philosophy or psychological perspective you adhere to that the dream you is the real you and that's who dies every morning. But the brief interrupt and minuscule changes is like saying that every night you shut off your computer you have a different computer the next day. It is in a different state and even if you restore it it's still the same essential computer. Where it can easily be said it's no longer quite the same is where you have to do such an incredible system restore of not outright drive wipe and reinstallation of everything.

I think that part of it is language is much too precise and definite for reality and that it likewise impairs our cognitive faculties of referencing the authentic. When you take some seeds from a plant you grew and then plant them and watch them grow into a bud and flower and then pluck seeds from it to plant those, at which point are those definite things? As one singular being that plant could be said to be it's own process of plant from the moment it began growing as those seeds, even if one could also just as easily state the entire plant species and form of life is a meandering river and one individual in its species is merely the false current in stream, ready to form and disappear again. But because our language is so imprecise you do not see things that way.

And so then we move onto that plant as a thing, and it has buds as object with it's own separate word, and flower gets it's own thingness followed by a seed. The problem is we are fooled by our senses into perceiving formers and ascribing thingness upon each form.

This is part of the thing I absolutely hate about Western philosophy and Western thought in general, which is that it takes the worst parts of that approach to its extreme. Everything gets dissected until you can no longer see the butterfly for the legs and wings and, in a much broader sense, I suppose that is why so many people have trouble with predicting things like a pandemic. I have largely been unsurprised by everything that has happened over the last 6 months although I still underestimated stupidity in a couple instances even with my already low estimation of it in Man. It is why so many people cannot connect the flapping of the wings with a coming hurricane and tidal surge and cannot even perceive the butterfly itself for that matter.

I suppose riffing off what you say that the misconception could even be of individual formation and selfhood, and distinguishing one plant from another. You pluck it out from the stream and the stream reforms around its absence. Who are you to question? Each person is granted on some level a flawed collection of all the beliefs and memories of his species. It is inauthentic as representative of the whole truth, but he is still a briefly formed tidal pool of knowledge and belief and action.

So could we even say the individual is truly distinct? I think so, and also not.

It does require a holistic approach that's horrifically lacking in humans in general but Western thought in particular and is why Western sciences are often incredibly flawed which is easily seen in writing any research paper.

What it fails to perceive is that reality is not so much composed of disparate objects but rather a series of dynamic systems. The level of authentic perception requires an understanding and perceiving of those systems with our human limitations left grasping in the dark, unable to fathom that for example our star itself is moving and has it's own orbit, and likewise the formation of planets and death of stars.

Perhaps it's human faculties themselves, requiring discrete representations of things, that marrs our understanding through language.

Regardless that process of the replacement of the ship is part of a stream. The thing you were looking at was its own object, and it becomes less and less of its original self through its movement through the stream in the passing of time.

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>>44183
No no you clearly don't understand, that is absolutely fucking expensive too and it's preying on people who don't know any better what things should cost, which shouldn't even matter because you're basically justifying a thief and a con artist by saying "well that person who got scammed deserved it for being greedy." That isn't the fucking point but it's totally irrelevant anyway because even $3 is a bit steep for a pack of coleus seeds for example, and $6 is absurdly expensive even if they're some kind of boutique heirloom what the fuck ever. A packet of those kind of seeds in the store costs you like $1.20 or $1.99 or whatever. In a lot of cases the seeds aren't even germinating so whatever pensioner who just got ripped off and wants to do their own flowerbed is going to think they did something wrong and maybe order them again or ask her grandson she likes telling everyone about having a green thumb to help her with it.

Or maybe they did realize they got scammed, likely not even for weeks after waiting for the seeds to germinate if they planted them soon after.

Really it's the kinds of bullshit which is why I try to avoid the fucking Chinese like bubonic plague or SARS 2 they gave all us because they're the worst cheats and thieves on the planet and theyre like cockroaches on the internet. I just had them rip me off too and the sole reason I am even not out just a bit under a hundred dollars is because I went through a third party company who I thought I was ordering from them instead, it was was they who ultimately got me the refund in spite of the fact I checked my bank statement and yeah, they actually didn't even give me all my money back. So if they just keep scamming hundreds of people they always win because even if it's just like five or ten dollars they keep each time and even if they got forced to refund every time that adds up and they had to do nothing to get that money. This is an instance of them not even bothering to ship it.

Now go look at that computer case--yeah, that's a case btw not an actual computer. This is also standard business practice where they try to find some way of lying without blatantly and brazenly lying about everything, so they'll pull shit like ship you a cheap $1 cat toy laser with a picture of a flashlight and advertise it as "high power LED $19.99" and those plants are a great example.

I just gave you guys two of the more outlandishly stupid ones that just happen to stick out really badly because the Chinese behind them are stupider than normal or simply more brazen than usual. That piece of shit is a kind of HP or Dell case. It says "add to cart for price" which is just bizarre and I'm not even bothering with exploring deep enough of into that scam but it's being sold with a list price of $356. That is the list price of the sort of shitty tower HP makes or a real bad quality bottom rung refurbished Dell on the site, so my suspicion is they're somehow trying to bait the extra tech illiterate somehow. My best guess is that they're probably attempting to pass off an old computer case that got cannibalized for $150 so that they can claim it is over $200 cheaper SUPER DEAL MUCH WOW CHEAP!

>>44183
Also maybe you guys are not getting the brunt of this because you're not dealing with them in English. I am against my better judgment even willing so far as to give them the benefit of the doubt, and that they're specifically reserving this level of strategic cuntishness for Americans and Brits which particularly in the latter case isnt totally undeserved btw though the rest of you past colonials should take notice too.

But like I said I am surrounded by duraniki or however you say fools plural. Maybe you represent a legit business concern somehow or don't deal with them directly. But regardless it is transparently obvious to me that they are doing this shit on purpose as part of the new soft power Great Game. It is transparently obvious to me that they are doing this shit on purpose like trying to traffic as much fentanyl as possible to America while giving you the death penalty if you try passing off even a small bag in China. I could explain all the layers of this geopolitical strategy at further length but that's not ultimately what I'm bitching about right now.

I want to make it as forcefully clear as possible because the point was raised by more than one of you, that in a lot of cases this is not in fact a "you get what you pay for" thing which moreover isn't fucking our oligarchs but rather poor people which is a really shitty thing to do and part of that package of scumbaggery is like I said dicking over our retirees as well, but rather the fact is that in the two cases I posted is them actually charging more than average.

You know what tonight it might be time again for me to post the full Chinese Businessman series of screencaps again. The guy explains pretty well what horror it is to be sent to China because your company found out you speak Mandarin.

An interesting story behind the first animated version of The Hobbit.

>In 1964, before anyone but a few obscure Brit kids ever heard of it, Bill[Snyder] handed me a faded little 1937 children's book named, The Hobbit. He recognized it was a great story, and he obtained the film rights to it and the other works by a fusty old English philologist, named John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. Snyder's rights extended to June 30, 1966... He set me to the task of making The Hobbit into a feature-length animated movie.
>In January 1966, Snyder asked Zdenka and me to come to America to do a presentation to 20th Century-Fox.... By the time we arrived in New York, however, Snyder had already blown the deal by asking 20th for too much money. Tolkien's name hadn't yet reached them either.
>Months later, when I was back in Prague working on some other filler projects, Snyder managed to get a phone call through to Zdenka's office... He had a preposterous order for me: Make a one-reel version of The Hobbit, and bring it to New York within 30 days!
>What had happened was that in the meantime, the Tolkien craze had exploded, and the value of the film rights reached outer space. Suddenly Bill had the possibility of getting a huge profit without having to finance and produce a feature film at all.
>Not only had the Tolkien estate lawyers given Snyder the rights for peanuts, but in their ignorance of film terminology, they had left a hundred-thousand-dollar loop-hole in the contract: It merely stated that in order to hold his option for The Lord of The Rings, Snyder had to "produce a full-color motion picture version" of The Hobbit by June 30, 1966. Please note: It did not say it had to be an animated movie, and it did not say how long the film had to be!
>We actually managed to get it shot and out of the lab in time... I arrived with the rough answer print on June 29th. Snyder had already booked a small projection room in midtown Manhattan. After a quick test screening -- and Snyder was duly impressed -- I ran downstairs and stopped people on the sidewalk, asking them if they would like to see a preview of a new animated film, for only 10¢ admission. I handed each willing customer a dime, which they handed back. After the screening, the few, puzzled audience members were asked to sign a paper stating that on this day of June 31, 1966, they had paid admission to see the full-color animated film, The Hobbit.
>Thus Snyder's film rights to the entire J.R.R. Tolkien library were legally extended, and he was immediately able to sell them back for nearly $100,000.

Hobbit-alized: The First Attempt At Animating The Hobbit
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/hobbit-alized-first-attempt-animating-hobbit

In "A Companion to J.R.R. Tolkien", a researcher determined that the year this film was released was likely 1967, and not 1966. It just goes to show that when writing, you even have to fact-check your own life :D.

>The film was unknown to Tolkien fans until 2012, when Deitch posted on his blog about the film's history. He posted that the film was produced and released in 1966, but subsequent document discoveries confirmed that the date was 1967

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(1967_film)

tldr: to retain the film rights to The Lord of the Rings, film producer Bill Snyder needed to complete a motion picture version of The Hobbit by a set date.

The Film:
The HOBBIT 1966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRqbdpbDwVo

>>43533

>unironically linking to /pol/

I am half tempted to make some 4krebs tier shitpost about your "digits." Just imagine that. People so fucking dumb that a post ending in 33 is enough to use as part of "argument" why not to pay attention.

Anyway it's a well known fact that the FBI and other alphabet soup agencies had compromised most imageboards. From what I can gather the Canadian national boards admin had also been approached by the feds, much like the movie Hackers had always implicated happens. moot himself probably got backed off by the feds around the messing with football incident and by around 2008 it was likely nothing but false flags and unofficially run by The Man. For example it had always struck me how shit like YouTube Porn Day was the perfect way for them to force censorship and mass surveillance on us via false flags. They tried doing the same for porn bans. I'm not even entirely sure why they hate porn so much in particular tbh but do know that, who was it insex? Some bondage site got shut down by Bush era antiterrorism laws.

But anyways yeah this has been known for awhile and the irony is that while poltard shills are literally stupid enough not to notice the fact their entire board is nothing but an establishment propaganda vehicle while thinking themselves "red pilled" about COINTELPRO type stuff, at the same time they are too dumb to be effectual as your link shows. They're dumb enough to fuck things up constantly. In fact the Pizza palace shooting I'd almost say was deliberately done by the elites had I not known better that yes indeed they're stupid enough to fuck things up like that, just like they were stupid enough to fuck up the UTR rally. I have mostly ever seen them accomplish the exact opposite of their stated aims, and in the case of elite pedophiles my suspicion is that pizzagate was entirely a manufactured thing to distract attention away from the real pedonetwork while leaving poltards to their own devices so they could eventually sabotage pizzagate itself thus silencing any later discussions.

But yes that entire board is and has always been a propaganda vehicle for the system. It's just funny to me the level of hypocrisy and doublethink there, like supporting a pedo network connected NY billionaire who surrounds himself with pedo enablers and rich Jews and then act like you're a Jew for pointing out the obvious. I do know that k*hl and 8krebs you'd similarly get banned for pointing this out.

The same sad fate happened to Wikileaks. You could tell they were neutralized when it became the Assange shitshow and all the archives disappeared. I would personally regard all of those sites as basically being a vehicle for rich industrialists, politicians, and other assorted scum to control the masses while ferreting out any legitimate dissidents.