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No. 1764
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Anyone else getting haunted by sudden memories and nostalgia, at any moment and any given time, with a soul crushing impact that you have physical reactions like you were punched in the stomach.

It forces me to avoid listeningto music from like 10 years ago or watching movies or shows that resemble the life of past centuries i lived in. I don't know how to handle this shit, maybe because my life now is basically trash and i start to pretend that my life in the past was light and easy-going pls send help
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No. 1768
>>1764
>at any moment and any given time, with a soul crushing impact that you have physical reactions like you were punched in the stomach
Yes, oh god yes. The memories physically hurt and ruin my mood instantly. Also feels like everyone has moved on, but I still hang onto the past.
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No. 1769
Unhappy love/relationship cursed my life. And I often recapitulate the calamities that ruined everything.
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No. 1770
No because I have always been miserable. My entire life was a long procession of one misery after another punctuating ennui. In fact my entire existence is and almost always has been miserable literally every single moment I drew breath. Even the very few happy times only served as a foil to highlight all the rest of the misery that much more. Nor can I say I had anything remotely resembling a happy childhood, nor does having sex do anything good for you either. In fact there were only a few relationships that meant the world to me and only served to illustrate the full depths of how much more miserable reality truly is and their inevitable loss, whose remaining memories I have largely discarded as husks. I am not even remotely looking forward to any form of happy the rest of my existence, and find the pursuit of happiness as an objective incredibly childish at best. Perhaps satisfaction at the accomplishment of a task you have long suffered for, or a breaking discovery, these are mature and adult things, not something so ephemeral and puerile as "happiness." In fact I would go so far as to say trying to be happy will only pile even greater despair and misery upon you, especially if a shallow and corrupt society instructs you to waste your time as a slave to get such a tiny amount of money to buy more pointless garbage, and a good number of those people are the types to extract "happiness" in between whippings while hauling stone by chatting with other slaves.
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No. 1771
Well you have one chance at life. Only one youth to live.

I start to regret a few things sometimes. Then I think it's good I made some experience even if it will haunt me all my life perhaps.
I've the first half of my 20s behind me and I did not really fulfill one of my dreams, in the end I want to create and touch or penetrate people with my worldview. so far it did not happen on the scale I want it to be.
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No. 1775
I have a feeling a lot of the embarrassing things I remember are only remembered by me. nevertheless I get convulsions when a really bad one surfaces sure.
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No. 1776
I am shocked that people here feel so negative about themselves and their lives. Is that some sort of existential struggle that life has no deeper meaning, or is it personal negative experience and the usual nogf stuff which makes Ernst feel so miserable?

>>1768
>Also feels like everyone has moved on, but I still hang onto the past.
You only have insight in your own emotions, and believe everyone else doesn't feel similar sometimes because you can't observe it. I think dwelling on past memories is a common thing.

>>1770
>especially if a shallow and corrupt society instructs you to waste your time as a slave to get such a tiny amount of money to buy more pointless garbage
While you are forced to some extent to earn your living (which is not a new thing, so I don't know why people blame society for it), no one forces you to buy pointless garbage.
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No. 1793
>>1776
>no one forces you to buy pointless garbage.

but there is an interest in it that you do and peer pressure and peer group behaviour does not stop with 18/21/25/30 whatsoever.
>Die Schulhofsregeln gelten ewig

Ofc you don't have to hang around with people whose lives revolves around netflix, working and the newest gadgets.
to be fair some ernsts are not better: they check imageboards and buy newest gadgets
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No. 1794
>>1776
My point being that society uses the idea "you're supposed to be happy" as a pressure sales marketing gimmick. They aren't just selling the product. They want a whole lifestyle sold with it that preys on a sense of deserving cheap easy happiness. It's a con game. The worst part where this is most blatant is like, so your loved one died here have some Zoloft.

>>1793
That wasn't my point at all but come to think of it. Yeah. I remember in high school for instance how your social worth was evaluated on whether you bought the nicest new shoes or whatever. In fact it is even worse in America because of this idea you're supposed to be doing tons of drugs and buying the nicest booze and having cheap meaningless sex, and that is what's sold as "happiness" which isn't even remotely happy or fulfilling. Maybe it is truly different outside my own toxic vile culture since things like the family, tradition, culture, faith all of these things have been completely shredded and replaced with crass commercialism.
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No. 1796
>>1770
>I am not even remotely looking forward to any form of happy the rest of my existence, and find the pursuit of happiness as an objective incredibly childish at best.
What happiness means to someone, is highly individual and can't just be judged using your own interpretation of it. Especially, as what you call those "mature and adult things" is basically what happiness means to you then.

Also when i read things like, "accomplishment of a task you have long suffered for, or a breaking discovery", this then seems somewhat childish to me too, as it similarly follows a society instruction, "be productive, create value".
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No. 1797 Kontra
>>1776
Oh and also
>nogf
As I've said, I had gf. Most of the time it is time and energy consuming that barely works as a salve. But then again a combination of things is why I am so miserable and always have been. I feel closer personal affinity to the Russians for these reasons, where cold dead grey mixes with alcoholism and abusive childhood to make anything bright and happy seem far away, like maybe it exists in Hollywood or something.

Now that I am older I now know that that far off land is also a miserable shithole. Maybe life is bearable if you're a rich Jew or a trust fund kid but somehow I have some doubts.
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No. 1798
>>1794
>things like the family, tradition, culture, faith all of these things have been completely shredded and replaced with crass commercialism.
Sorry to say, this perception is so full of cliche. Sound like a stubborn old man, who instead of really being interested in analyzing contemporary cultural development and modern humanity, simply resorts to those "old simple values" which have never lived up to what you claim they are in the entire history of mankind.
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No. 1799
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>>1796
The point is those things of value truly belong to you. They cannot be bought or sold. It is an inward satisfaction in an accomplishment regardless of what society tells you or not. Whether and to what degree that motivates or creates satisfaction is another thing entirely. I think most people could never possibly be satisfied to say discover a means of space travel or spot intelligent life from a telescope if they're alone in the woods with nobody to congratulate them. I would, but that's just me. Criticism and praise are totally meaningless to me for any reason other than social power, namely, how much others hold against me or what I can hold against others to not pester me.
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No. 1801
Yeah, everyone has those and for good reason. Either you remember some time when you felt truly alive or that really embarrassing thing you did that one time.

Try not to dwell on it, intrusive thoughts get stronger the more you pay attention to them or try to repress it until you go crazy. This is why they can be so dangerous to OCDs and people who do lots of passive solitary activity. Just acknowledge it with a smile and move on.

>>1769
There is an old saying; Women remember every fuck, Men remember everytime they could've fucked.

>>1776
>I am shocked that people here feel so negative about themselves and their lives. Is that some sort of existential struggle that life has no deeper meaning, or is it personal negative experience and the usual nogf stuff which makes Ernst feel so miserable?

Ernst is generally in his late 20s.
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No. 1803
>>1799
>The point is those things of value truly belong to you. They cannot be bought or sold. It is an inward satisfaction in an accomplishment regardless of what society tells you or not
What is of value to someone, what is regarded as satisfactory or an accomplishment, is individual and can differ entirely from person to person. You seem to want to apply your version of it on everyone, judging them by your personal standard. Maybe that's another brick in the wall why you became so bitter in your life.

Also your perception of value/happiness sounds entirely achievement-oriented. Look at Japan or South Korea, which adapts those ideals into it's society. High suicide rates, depressions from feelings of being a failure, due to high expetations from everyone - this is not the road to go when you want people to have a healthy life.
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No. 1805
>>1799
>I would, but that's just me.

Don't be a fool, you can't stay satisfied forever. You would be happy with yourself for a little while, everyone would, but you cannot escape the hedonic treadmill.

The real people out achieving things and getting life satisfaction are those who find joy in the doing. The people who go on to invent a new telescope are those that enjoy the learning and doing that goes into it. It's like that old Miley Cyrus song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs
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No. 1806
>>1803
> high expetations from everyone

These are also common in western countries, it is not like people value jobless hobos and neets here.

It's the old problem with the culture industry that Adorno and Horkheimer postulated.
Are these people really happy or is it projection and protecting the self from the abyss that awaits behind the mindless consuming we all take part in?

I for one think that people can be happy even today but a lot is surrogate activity like consuming/buying/"having fun"
Also I have a problem with the level of positivy that seems to be consensual, negativity is privatized and not liked in public. That leads to pretending and depression.
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No. 1812
>>1803
>You seem to want to apply your version of it on everyone, judging them by your personal standard.
I don't. I just see it as shallow and fake, and moreover as I said here
>and a good number of those people are the types to extract "happiness" in between whippings while hauling stone by chatting with other slaves.
Those sorts of people are perfectly happy doing whatever dumb things they do. I have observed this in a lot of places, including school pep rallies. Even the ostracized kids seemed to enjoy it. I thought it was stupid as all fucking hell and a waste of my time. Moreover I have answered the OP question. I am a sincerely unhappy person and always have been.
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No. 1856
>>1812
>Those sorts of people are perfectly happy doing whatever dumb things they do.
Haha, that's the mystery to me too. People doing things i find downright awful, and they're genuinely enjoying it and having a good time.
Maybe it comes down to me being different (not a "normie"). When i had a gf and she moved in with me, it resulted in me being constantly stressed, never feeling comfortable with someone being that close in my private space. Also i was always so scared of her getting pregnant, it literally ruined the enjoyment of sex for me, even with the precautions. Imagine this: everytimwe after sex i would take the condom, fill it with water afterwards in the bathroom sink to reassure myself that the condom was intact and no sperm had leaked out. Now that i type this here, it actually sounds quite fucked up.
But her getting pregant was the ultimate nightmare for me, being bond forever and all personal freedom took away. Also i don't understand people enjoying parenthood. It seems like a harsh 24/7 job to me and all your life changes, you lose all personal freedom.

I think many people just enjoy the fact that stuff, work, parenthood, watching tv-shows, playing sports and so on keeps you busy. Maybe that's all that you need to be happy, constantly keep yourself busy enough so you don't start to think too much.
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No. 1912
>>1856
>Also i don't understand people enjoying parenthood. It seems like a harsh 24/7 job to me and all your life changes, you lose all personal freedom.
Hormones are a hell of a drug, and I guess they are released in big quantities in case of pregnancy, not only in the woman.
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No. 1914
>>1856
The thing is that if you do hard tasks that have purpose, it objectively makes you worth something. Of course you could also waste away your lifetime. But you would probably regret it later.
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No. 1916
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>>1914
>The thing is that if you do hard tasks that have purpose, it objectively makes you worth something
You still might regret that you haven't done even more hard tasks, bacause the stuff you finished doesn't feel that hard any more just because you were able to finish it. I wouldn't bet on dying happily just because you devoted your life to hard tasks. It might well be the other way round: You could also regret having worked all the time and not just relaxed and taking life easy. Of course you may be right, but I don't think that you can be sure.
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No. 1920
>>1916
As for the most things, it should be a balance. If you played SSB:Melee against three opponents of level 1, wouldn't that be a waste of time? Exactly like playing against three Lvl 9 ones who you know will wipe you off stage in a minute.
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No. 1923
>>1914
>The thing is that if you do hard tasks that have purpose, it objectively makes you worth something.
Sounds like people in the third world, living their lifes as mine workers must be very happy :3
I think that "objective worth" is just something, that a group of people agreed upon. This might be highly variable by time, zeitgeist, culture and region. It doesn't have an internal worth itself - nothing has imho. I'm not sure it's a good idea to choose your life goals on basis of what others have accredited as being worthy. Maybe you need to discover yourself, that it's really worth it. On the other hand, doing something that others will appreciate can give you a feeling of worthiness nonetheless. But basically, also what >>1916 says.
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No. 1926
>>1923
Signed.

Yet the punchline will be on your death bed you still regret alot of things because you either took the hedonist way or always working, something will suffer either way. You couldn't have both so you regret what you did not experience.

Today you have so many option, theoretically, you can only regret not doing enough. The comparison to others is crucial here, and the comparison is emerging in our capitalist culture since it has something to do with value and profit and (time) investment. These economic parameters have been deeply rooted into us today.
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No. 1927
I know what you're describing, it only happens if it's related to someone dear to me that I miss. Some certain thing will get me punched in the gut.

I am(no offense or bragging) probably overall happier than you so it's only related to people.

I avoid a lot of things to avoid that feeling
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No. 1932
>>1856
Most people actually need their personal space. Your report is not abnormal. I have met exactly one person I did not feel this way about. Dunno why but a lot probably had to do with trust. I had no reason to have any personal barriers in fact it amazed others around us that we could spend that much time together without any breaks. Otherwise most people are like this, including the stereotype of having sex with somebody and leaving the next morning (like why?). Your commitment issues really aren't that abnormal tbh.

As for the burdens, well you also get some type of reward or satisfaction I believe, for a job well done perhaps in the same way an OCD feels intense satisfaction at a spotless ordered room. When it comes to parenthood I wouldn't know but that's more primal afaik. You seem to only see this as sacrificing and giving in a one sided way. Think of a doge. Having pet doge sure is a huge responsibility, but said doge improves the overall comfort of your life immensely. Come to think of it I really have no idea why more EC tiers don't just get a dog. The funniest thing is you will probably end up meeting women and becoming more socially adjusting and having a gf and such as a result, hell it could be just the right stuff.

I have thought about this and realized that taking such care of another organism actually makes absolute sense evolutionarily speaking. Your overall comfort and quality of life as well as odds of reproduction improve greatly over non-pet owners.
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No. 1943
>>1923
I guess most poor Africans are actually sort of happy, meeting family basically all day and celebrating the little they have.

What does happy mean anyway? Rich kids on Instagram?
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No. 1977
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>>1932
>Think of a doge. Having pet doge sure is a huge responsibility, but said doge improves the overall comfort of your life immensely.
I don't like dogs, but i infact really wish i had a cat sometimes, however joke's on me, i'm allergic :--DD

>>1943
>What does happy mean anyway?
Seems sometimes that working towards happiness itself is the actual gain you get. Once you achieve something, you will get used to it and it will basically become less valuable and your life the same as before.

Greed seems to be a very driving force in humanity, because you always want something, but once you get it, you want the next thing. You think all your problems will be solved, once you get or achieve XY. Once you achieved XY, you just have another focus and new problems and wishes arise.
The example of "Rich kids on Instagram" is a good example i think. Someone is poor and unknown, and wants to be rich and famous. Once he is rich and famous, he will be bothered to death and have sleepless night that some other fag has 10k more followers than him.
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No. 2077
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>>1776
>Is that some sort of existential struggle that life has no deeper meaning
Is it actually necessary to see a deeper meaning in life to improve your quality of life? Looking at life soberly, it's hard to gain evidence that anything has any meaning at all, especially as once you die it won't even matter what you have done or not. Maybe it would matter for others, but you are still dead and by that out of the loop, and it's more likely nobody will even know who you were or what you did in 200 years.

Sorry for frogposting here, the reason i saved this image once was as it struck me as somewhat salving. He has/does nothing, but just doesn't bother and adapts to any situation while finding comfort in the most simple things life offers.
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No. 2093
>>2077
The thing might be that man has an innate drive to order the surroundings, and that doing so brings some sort of peace. Neglecting many opportunities to make things better means settling for less, something contrary to human survival skills. Maybe upon death you suddenly feel real completion and then regret because you could have felt it so much more often.
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No. 2121
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>>2077
>Is it actually necessary to see a deeper meaning in life to improve your quality of life?
Not at all, on the contrary: I find the thought that my life doesn't serve a greater purpose (or that I am blissfully unaware of it) is a great relief, since my every decision is not to be measured about how it serves to reach this goal. This doesn't mean that you should not strive to achieve great goals, but you should only do so if you think that this is a good idea, not because you think you are serving a purpose. At times I put great effort in things I want to achieve, and I feel really fulfilled if I manage to pull them off. On other days I just stay at home, eat junk food and masturbate until my dick hurts, and I feel good in both cases, because it was my free will which made me do it, and not pressure applied from the outside by external goals that are not in harmony with my personal ideas of how my life should turn out.

Of course you may be able to achieve higher goals if you apply outside pressure, like fear of death/afterlife, the wrath of a god or social pressure from your community, but then you should ask yourself if reaching these goals will really give you happiness, since they probably weren't your own goals to begin with.
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No. 2127
>>2093
>something contrary to human survival skills.
you're forgetting that expending the least possible energy in order to achieve survival is also an existential maxim. there are no rewards for trying very hard to survive, only for surviving.
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No. 2128
>>1770
Just wanted to say your post is the only good thing about new EC i saw so far. I mean, your writing is good, and your experience is relevant to bernds (at least to me) and it's the only thing worthy of saving into my personal copypaste archive.
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No. 2142
>>2127
Yeah but we're Europeans, there can never be too much preparation.
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No. 5605
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>>1775
It'll go away with time, but so will all of your best years and you will wonder why didn't I do anything back then!

The saying "time heals almost everything" is more "your depressed and decaying brain will wash away your bad memories" or your adult life will become so hopeless that your traumatic experiences will seem like a good time by comparison.

Stop fearing your past before it is too late, overcome the embarrassment that prevents you from succeeding before it causes you to have even more pain in the future from becoming a failure.

You have to accept life is pain. It never ends, you were put here to suffer. Retreat from the suffering and you will just get more as punishment! Regret over your adolescence while in college is nothing compared to the regret you will feel about young adulthood once you are middle aged.
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No. 5607
Keep busy, if you have nothing to, the memories will surface of all the stupid and painful shit you did.
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No. 5609
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>>5607
Hard work solves everything

But it's hard, shortcuts not
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No. 5610
I used to get memories of embarrassing moments from my life and it made me squeeze my fists, close my eyes shut and yell "FUCK".

I still feel regret over how my life turned out to be, and wish I could go back and re-do some things. I know it's irrational since I didn't have any control of my life when the worst of it happened, but still. What if man. What if I used my painting skills to get a designer/illustrator job at 16 and get the fuck out of the loony bin that is my house? I was already pretty much mentally fucked at that point, though, so I guess thinking about it pointless.

I had to realize that the person I used to be is dead, and I just have the memories of that little boy. I'm not that little boy. He's dead. I can't even relate to him on a personal level, I changed too much. So I decided to just let go and forget about it.

The self is an illusion anyway, I'm not the same person I was a year ago, or yesterday even.
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No. 5611
gotte let go of the past man
it'd be nice if I had the bright idea of shiving my dad in the ribs in his sleep when I was 10.
my life would be great now

buyt it's iompossible so gotata let it go man
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No. 5612
Getting tortured by your own thoughts, knowing you can do nothing about them and still wallowing in your pain and misery is the worst torture you can pull yourself through. You are acting as your own hangman for absolutely no reason.

The biggest lie that is commonly belived is that actions follow thoughts. Go through the pain of changing your habits, it's far less painful than wallowing in your resigned suffering. You are your own torturer for no fucking reason.
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No. 5671
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I fell into a depression around age 13 so in my head this is all just a bad dream and my happy late teens and 20s are still ahead once I wake up.
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No. 5674
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My problem is that I hold myself to unattainable standards, so where most would have it as an embarrassing memory that they learned from, I instead have learned the lesson but still maintain a strong sense of disgust and disdain at my younger self. Comes with the 'holds a grudge' territory I guess.
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No. 5815
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>>5611
Most peoples parents are their worst enemies

Technically they are also our best friends, perhaps we only notice the bad and ignore what hell they kept us from
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No. 5818 Kontra
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>>5739
>>5740
t. so blindingly butthurt he can't even get his accusations right
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No. 5821
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>>5818
>I'm such a unique failure that I'm justified not being where I want to be in life, it's not like I'm an ordinary person where it would be shameful, my specialness speaks for itself and would have always made things difficult for me and it would take a miracle for things to work out perfectly in this post-modern world which can hardly satisfy my brilliance. There's nobody like me, I am the last of my kind. When I walk the world trembles at my originality. Unlike everyone else nobody knows my true motives, I don't want money and sex like simplistic mere mortals, I want ..self-actualization in the form of coming into money. I'm so rare. I was destined for greatness, that is why I have such a high standards of my idealized self despite any evidence I have ever resembled that image.
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No. 5824 Kontra
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>>5740
>>5821
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No. 5832
>>5824
He's special don't you understand that! He has the ability to know where something will lead without even trying it. And since what most jobs lead to are below him he chooses not to waste his time with the opportunities in front of him. So it's a life of sitting around waiting for his ship to come in. He's like a tiger waiting to pounce on the fattest hippo. He is the smartest man alive and why he asks for advice on kohl
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No. 5839
>>5832
> not to waste his time with the opportunities in front of him

You know the dead end job experience/clichee does not come out of nowhere.

I don't support infinite self pity or a work ethic that labels itself with its non-existence. But I would try to select my opportunities and not take every straw that comes under my nose.
So I myself try to avoid work that seems like it bears nothing fruitful. If you want to make it you have to be lucky but you also have to know the right people, yes often you don't know it a work is a catapult or not but honestly I would there exist so many dead end jobs you can give odds.

I would like to take opportunities but I'm afraid, it means getting out of my comfort zone of low-level-social communication. I work quitely on it and will see what will come along my way. But I don't believe that at my student job there is a life time opportunity to be made.

Your ethic can result in big disappointment once you realize how much time you wasted in some shit job lacking any visionary people. The (early) silicon valley would be a good example on how it should be done, if that is what you have in mind with opportunities.

So Australiaball shouldn't do any job if he feels like there is nothing to get.
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No. 5842 Kontra
>>5839
I'm not even the person he thinks I am. I've worked below minimum wage before, and I've worked 16 hour days before. Right now, I'm in a long-term job in a kitchen. The rest of his accusations are equally baseless.
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No. 5845
>>5842
>I've worked below minimum wage before, and I've worked 16 hour days before.
All thanks to kc shutting down.
>Right now, I'm in a long-term job in a kitchen.
As of this morning
>I told you I'm special and can't be understood! I need the finest therapists on earth to unravel the mystery of why I post on kohl!
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No. 5859
>>5842
Tbh I haven't followed thru your discussions. But working shit jobs with low payment you have all rights to blame other people and processes/structures in society and demand something else. ofc you should actively engage in a change after finding out what is wrong

the ideology that everything is your fault is utterly shit and a narrative to blame people for everything that happens to them in order to shift responsibilities from other people and their decision takings to the ones who have to deal with the consequences

the american is giving away responsibility as he suggests he takes it all
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No. 5862
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Yeah, I wish I could turn back time to the good old days. Waking up and going to make money got old.
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No. 5914
My entire life has been a lie

http://paulgraham.com/nerds.html

>Few smart kids can spare the attention that popularity requires. Unless they also happen to be good-looking, natural athletes, or siblings of popular kids, they'll tend to become nerds. And that's why smart people's lives are worst between, say, the ages of eleven and seventeen. Life at that age revolves far more around popularity than before or after.

>Before that, kids' lives are dominated by their parents, not by other kids. Kids do care what their peers think in elementary school, but this isn't their whole life, as it later becomes.

>Around the age of eleven, though, kids seem to start treating their family as a day job. They create a new world among themselves, and standing in this world is what matters, not standing in their family. Indeed, being in trouble in their family can win them points in the world they care about.
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No. 5975
>>5914
>highschool age
Many of us are in our thirties and stopped dwelling on highschool over a decade ago.
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No. 6904
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>>5975
Great video on a GSP's chance meeting with his high school bully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujBAQFyrkNQ
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No. 7468
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>>1764
Nobody knows and those who figure it out go to heaven. There are no mass answers we're all alone running in our personal mazes. Most won't get out alive because we're too busy gossiping about others or trying to keep up appearances and the dream world doesn't care about excuses from the material world like "I had to go to work".

If you ever want to solve your nostalgia you have to stop looking for quick pain-killers. Dig deeper through the cringe and agony and you might find your answer.
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No. 7476
>>5914
>>5914
>Few smart kids can spare the attention that popularity requires. Unless they also happen to be good-looking, natural athletes, or siblings of popular kids, they'll tend to become nerds. And that's why smart people's lives are worst between, say, the ages of eleven and seventeen. Life at that age revolves far more around popularity than before or after
American conclusion at best. Same as in soviet times people always said that kids are divided according to their social class.
Kids are divided by their interests, not even by their look. It's no wonder that people more interested in sports are good looking and fit. What does popularity even means in this case?Definitely if there are more nerds in school, nerds are more popular. Doubt that this could make Paul Graham happier, he still would be bullied by bydlo and cheerleaders still would fuck with athletes.
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No. 7480
>>7476
I don't understand what you mean by American conclusion because he said:
>Unless they also happen to be good-looking, natural athletes, or siblings of popular kids, they'll tend to become nerds.
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No. 7487
>>7480
You think in terms of popularity, like soviets were thinking in terms of social classes. While in fact simple observation is enough to understand that's not true. Popularity doesn't mean anything, unless you are working in entertainment.
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No. 7490
>>7487
In that case the Soviets were right. I still don't see what the hell social class has to do with it

Popularity results in more happiness than a lonely smart nerd, and more opportunities for sex, girlfriends and for contacts. "It's not what you know it's who you know." A lot of nerds with straight A's in college graduate and are unable to get hired, because they weren't popular. While a moron like Dana White practically becomes a billionaire because he was popular in high school and made friends with 2 brothers who were part of the Italian mob that later bought the UFC.
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No. 7523
>>7490
Only in America. In Europe nobody cares about "popularity", what matters is social networking, and of course social class plays also an important role.
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No. 7524
>>7490
> I still don't see what the hell social class has to do with it
I've observed this even in small towns. Typically the poor kids were likely to be around other poor kids and so on. In fact there was some study that found cops were more likely to hassle people from "the wrong side of the tracks" despite the fact that often the richer kids were being more criminal. For one thing, they tend to be more concerned about keeping up appearances.

>>7523
I think it is just this one guy who is utterly obsessed with popularity in high school. I don't understand why, except for the fact I seriously suspect he's underage b&. Like fucking nobody else gives a shit about high school after age 20 or something like that.

>A lot of nerds with straight A's in college graduate and are unable to get hired, because they weren't popular
This is just fatposting. It's harder to get hired because of the retarded catch-22 of, you need experience + education, although typically experience counts more than having a degree and no experience unless it's something where they're willing to train you. That is why they have these things called internships.

The Euros are right and it also works the same way in America. In fact like 90% of the real reason to even go to school is networking. This is the dirty little fact no one talks about, which btw was part of how maintained social stratification worked here because then all the rich kids go to rich kid schools to network with other rich kids whose parents and parents of friends can also help each other out. This is also part of the idea behind things like scholarships, which is partly to force us more in the direction of a meritocracy and away from nepotism.

In fact if you paid any attention like 99% of any bitching about Jews is literally the same thing as bitching about old money blue blood Anglos who only hire and fraternize with each other and maintain the same social class nepotism, mixed with ethnic tribalism. That was also, in fact, part of what the Ivy league schools used to do in excluding people like Jews so as to maintain that same Anglo coastal elite thing, like for example Yale and Skull and Bones etc. since I've got a George Bush banner above /int/-international atm.

Otherwise popularity really is completely and utterly irrelevant. Like fucking nobody in this country maintains deep ties with people they knew in high school. The few that do are unlikely to have any ambition and stay stuck in the same shitty lifestyle of peasants since forever, or at best some shitty retarded small town politics.

The issue that you, American, are confusing now is because of this ridiculous garbage culture centered around narcissism and vanity which was already a huge thing due to the celebrity culture bullshit and has only gotten progressively worse. But that isn't even popularity in the sense that you mean it, that's just this disgusting celebrity culture.
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No. 7618
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>It forces me to avoid listeningto music from like 10 years ago
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No. 7620
>>7524
>despite the fact that often the richer kids were being more criminal
Isn't it the case that the poorest people are far more likely to commit all sorts of crime?
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No. 9817
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No. 9822
>>9817
He’s blue dabadebadaba dabadee dabadaa dabadibadaba
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No. 9824
>>9822
No wonder his "girlfriend" looks like a tranny
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No. 9837
>>7620
No not really. In terms of general misbehavior and cheating, drug abuse, petty criminality etc. it's more often the captain of the football team tiers. The thing is rich kids also tend to not suffer the consequences even when they get caught. The problem of criminal justice in this country is you're basically shit out of luck if you're a poor person. Super rich people basically act like they're above the law, and frankly they usually are.

>>9817
>the daily fail
Anyway
>Revelations about his youth come after he gave an interview to the South China Morning Post Wednesday in which he claimed that the NSA has hacked the country's universities, businesses and politicians
What most people don't seem to understand is that the US typically doesn't kill you when you're pissing them off. They resort to character assassination first and foremost.

>>7618
That song sucked even back then. It was around this time actually that I began completely abandoning American music and mostly started listening to European/other electronic and industrial, largely thanks to things like Kazaa.
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No. 12203
"Although amplified by the modern world, throughout history most people have spent their day to day existence in a state of slight depression. The simplest reason for this is that very few of us get to live a life where we are a constant focus of attention, and so we labor mostly unknown except to a few close friends and our families, whose praise means a lot to us, yet, we would prefer to be more widely influential. Further, because life is a long and winding road in which it is necessary to make errors in order to learn the foundations of successes, all of us will have some failings and embarassments lurking in the past. We prefer not to mention them in public, but whenever we consider our next move, doubt arises in the form of these past memories, much like beating a dog with a stick when it soils the carpet will convince it in the future to remember pain and associate it with that act. Our own histories literally condition us to depression.

What amplifies this depression in the modern time is the sheer size of our society, and its general course downward, which even the dumbest among us seem to have noticed. We notice such things on a subliminal level more than an articulated one, since to understand the situation in structure and words requires knowing more of it than most lives will see let alone analyze. Since our society is huge, and seems so far beyond our control or even understanding that it is inexorably going to do what it does, most are slightly depressed by their lack of influence on changing a worsening situation. Among the intelligent, it is recognized that masses of morons will undo whatever they achieve, or worse, turn it into a dumbed-down version of itself, missing meaning but preserving appearance (if you're thinking of what Metallica did with the "black album" here, you're on the right track). This keeps even the best among us depressed."

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No. 14266
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>>12203
"Social media was created by recluse schizoids"
source: https://youtu.be/dmXcjvL9VSc?t=361

In the first 6 minutes he says the world will be divided between 2 billion social network users vs 5 billion non-users
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No. 14271
No I'm not 12 years old anymore.
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No. 14272
>>12203
>throughout history most people have spent their day to day existence in a state of slight depression.
>urther, because life is a long and winding road in which it is necessary to make errors in order to learn the foundations of successes, all of us will have some failings and embarassments lurking in the past. We prefer not to mention them in public,

Sounds like projection from a failure to me. You think Trump second-guesses himself all the time? Not to mention this dumbass thinks he's 2deep4u because he shits on the black album.
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No. 15934
"No matter how high you run in style, and in your tone, tragedy holds the crown." -Joost van den Vondel, Lucifer (1935)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2963950-lucifer
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No. 15939
>>14266
I don't get it.

I'm diagnosed schizoid and I have always avoided social media because it's an environment for normies to engage in the amplified microcosm of every day social posturing, without any substance behind it.

Digital high school locker room talk elevated to a life style. Schizoids are more likely to communicate anonymously because it's the discomfort of social interaction that they avoid.

Also, I doubt there's anything inherently evil about social media, I think it's just the "big city" effect on a global scale. The feelings of insignificance and everyone basically being an asshole because they can get away with it.

I'd say the true cause of the negative effects of social media is the same as for globalization, consolidation, etc: volatility and acceleration of human life that came with modernity. History is accelerating, pressure is rising, more stuff is happening faster, there's more energy in the system. Human society is behaving more like an insect hive: crowded, busy, with most members insignificant.

I don't know, maybe soon there will be a big release that will equalize the pressure.

(also, if unsubstantiated ramblings and extrapolations is what gets one recognized as an expert on human condition, I want in, man)
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No. 15959 Kontra
>>15939
>(also, if unsubstantiated ramblings and extrapolations is what gets one recognized as an expert on human condition, I want in, man)

then study to be a psychologist like him and write books, when you're interviewed by the news the morons watching tv will think you're smart
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No. 15995
>>15959
I'm starting to see a pattern among published psychologists.
Basically trying to spin some kind of narrative and cash in on the hype.

Peterson did it with underachieving youth, now this guy's trying to do it with social media fear mongering. Unlike peterson, I don't think this guy will succeed, his subject isn't sensational enough.
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No. 16009
>>14266
Except that social media is dying. I have or had accounts in all huge social networks. Within the years activity goes from booming to "i am just here because i have one thing left to check". Simple chatting went to message apps, music and video goes to streaming services.
Sometimes social networks get a revival but mostly from reformatting. Vk was a Facebook clone, then it was a messenger, then it was a dating app, then a pirating site, then meme accumulator.
Last non-automated message i had in social networks dated by somewhere in 2012. Haven't seen someone using it for their social life since 2013.
And here where it goes. Special sites or apps for every activity and division between personal and common experience. Here is steam, message apps and blogs, where you talk with people you know. And there is YouTube, vk, streaming services and etc. Where you get the same experience everyone does.
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No. 16129
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNDA-o9yJNw

This is the best video on youtube

t. youtube
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No. 16397
>>14266
That quote hits too close to home.