I never said "non" I specifically said
> it's a group of people who've been treated with kids gloves crying like pussies who've never really even experienced hardship or persecution in their lives.
And that is completely true. Like the Klan still has some actual political power and sympathizers for example. Most
on the hard right are ultimately sympathetic to some of the worst impulses of government as well as policing agencies pretty much all of which are at minimum right leaning. The only times the extreme right gets in deep shit is when they're hoarding weapons and actively planning on violence, otherwise usually all of their resistance is coming from the public rather than at an institutional level. When I said "kids' gloves" I thought I was being clear that I meant some on the far right sometimes do get fucked with but even then they're handled way more softly than anyone else including leftists, such as discussed earlier the ALF and ELF being officially designated terrorist groups despite only engaging in property damage, not violence against people, unlike the Klan.
>Yes, they were agitating during a time of war, but so were the student movements in the '60s, the Weathermen and Symbionese Liberation Army.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. The Weathermen were building bombs, for one thing, so it's a poor example. Secondly if you meant the Cold War, the argument could possibly be made (though really dubiously and it'd be a pretty Orwellian one to make), whereas I hope you didn't mean Vietnam, which was a tiny ass Southeeast Asian country with absolutely zero power projection capability that was simply having its own civil war at the time the US meddled in.
See the difference? Massive, global, worst war in human history with a known threat and agitator like Nazi Germany with spies and provocatuers everywhere, trying to get the Mexicans to wage war on us, with their ally Japan outright attacking us and killing Americans, vs...Vietnam.
>Citation needed. Show me a single Fascist group (must be Fascist or National Socialist)
lol Italian fascists and the Nazis aren't the only two hard right groups, and certainlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
which also had rumored ties tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre
since for some strange reason right wingers really seem to like false flag terrorist attacks or outright terrorist attacks to further their agendas for some reason come to think of it I'm not even aware of a single leftist false flag attack but I'm aware of tons of right wing ones, and dozens of other terrorist acts
. Note the sheer amount of institutional support there.
I'd also like to point out you clearly probably meant a Western or even US-centric view of things though it should be noted how much this has been true of other countries as well often with support of US groups and interests (since we seem to specifically be discussing US treatment).
So that right there between Klan and P2 is millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars in possibly financing and political support. The far left has...zilch. Possibly depending on your definition of "far" you might be able to count on a few Hollywood celebrities and possibly others generally offering support to groups like idk PETA or something (which isn't even a far left group itself). And in some cases, the fascist groups literally are the government itself, and only have failed to totally centralize power in the US due largely to how our government is structured itself, so they typically try to work through NGOs and think tanks as more moderate fronts.
>We're talking about people whose only crime was their words. There's a huge difference between people like Lawrence Dennis or Father Coughlin and people like the Rosenbergs.
The Rosenbergs aren't leftist activists, they were fucking traitors who committed out of all possible crimes of treason quite possibly the worst one in history. I'm not sure how I feel about executing people for treason rather than up to life in prison, but if anyone deserved it, it was them for passing on the hydrogen bomb to one of our rivals, which is similar to some of how I'm so utterly pissed with Israel (not just bombing our ships but selling our mil tech to China we should have cut ties to that fucking regime entirely).
Again, do you see? Rosenbergs committed actual treason and passed on the highest of top military secrets to the enemy/belligerent rival, and were executed for it. Coughlin was sent to prison for agitating for the enemy during a time of war, and he was never sent to prison
>Meanwhile, Biddle was also exploring the possibility of bringing an indictment against Coughlin for sedition as a possible "last resort". Hoping to avoid such a potentially sensational and divisive sedition trial, Biddle arranged to end the publication of Social Justice itself. First Biddle had a meeting with banker Leo Crowley, another Roosevelt political appointee and friend of Bishop Edward Aloysius Mooney of Detroit, Bishop Gallagher's successor. Crowley relayed Biddle's message to Mooney that the government was willing to "deal with Coughlin in a restrained manner if he [Mooney] would order Coughlin to cease his public activities." Consequently, on May 1, Bishop Mooney ordered Coughlin to stop his political activities and to confine himself to his duties as a parish priest, warning of potentially removing his priestly faculties if he refused. Coughlin complied and was allowed to remain the pastor of the Shrine of the Little Flower. The pending hearing before the Postmaster General, which had been scheduled to take place three days later, was cancelled as it was no longer necessary. Although forced to end his public career, Coughlin served as parish pastor until retiring in 1966.
Like I said, kids' gloves. All that happened in the case of Coughlin was he was told to knock it the hell off while we were fighting a war and to not openly use the airways to broadcast what could be construed as enemy propaganda, if he would please. He was not sent to prison, and was simply forced to cancel his program.
It should also be pointed out
>Having gained a reputation as an outspoken anti-communist, in July 1930 Coughlin was given star billing as a witness before the House Un-American Activities Committee.
That is, again, at the institutional level.
Another great example of kids' gloveshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
If any leftist ever even thought about pulling that shit they'd get gunned down immediatelynot that I am fundamentally opposed to the American public using armed resistance if necessary against police and the federal government...
So yeah. It's not even comparable. The one has actual sympathies from numerous people and groups in the United States and has for quite awhile, which as I mentioned beforehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Just imagine what would have happened if say a Socialist had proposed a thing like that. Rather than no prosecutions they'd have been hanged.
The whole thing with the left in this country in particular to begin with is coming from a place of vast disenfranchisement. Obviously, if you've got a group who either wants to maintain the status quo or outright disenfranchise them even more than they're currently allowed it tells you something about the actual political soul behind the two groups and the amount of persecution they actually represent, so yeah, I find the whole premise of your argument ridiculous. And so far as the more tepid Republicans are concerned, it basically boils down to "don't call them niggers or rant about Jews publicly in polite company." That is to say, don't embarrass us with how we really think while we're trying to make money and put on a big show for the public, regardless of how much they agree with you behind closed doors.