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No. 24226
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A discussion for all things related to music.

Discuss musicians and their discographies, inspirations, careers, image, impact, artistic integrity and raison d'être. Sharing links is fine, but also discuss what particularly moved you about a given song or composition.
No. 24230
Okay, sure.

Heilung just released a new album and I think it's brilliant. To get to know them, I recommend videos from their appearence at the Castlefest in Holland, in particularl

Othan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPV38e7yfSo
Hamrer Hippyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNu6FmaUIB0

Futha is their second studio album after Ofnir, in-between they released their appearance at Castlefest as life album called LIFA.

It's somewhat weird to talk about this kind of music since I've never been too much into anything related to metal or folk, my roots lie in IDM and breakcore, but recently - over a year now - I haven't listened to anything but Wardruna, Forn, Heilung and Arkona. It touches something that other music has never even scratched in me.
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Oh hey, we had Heilung on in the kitchen at work today courtesy of our resident music pro. What a coincidence.
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I know we have some people who are quite passionate about Metal, so I'd like to start by discussing the genre.

Perhaps it's best we first define what Metal is since there appears to be a great deal of confusion. Metal is heavy, Psychedelic and Blues-based Rock music structured in either minor-key, modal or chromatic scales. Power chords, quick picking and galloping riffs are also very important. Bands that don't utilize them in any fashion are rarely considered Metal. The tonal centers of the Metal riffs in each composition are not fixed but progress over the course of it. The rhythm guitar is therefore not a merely a rhythm instrument but the lead one. Unless you're shredding, there can be no Metal with a rhythm guitar. The drum kit is enslaved to the guitars as a mere metronomic timekeeper despite whatever swing, texture, or fills the drummer flourishes the music with. If Robbing the Graveyard and Raping the Dead from Satan's Massacre is any proof, you construct Metal music simply with your amp and guitar with no bass or percussion needed at all:

It’s these reasons I refuse to dub Black Sabbath's self-titled album and even Paranoid as Metal. Black Sabbath's Metal work started with Master of Reality and virtually every album since that time. Sabbath's most Metal albums under Ozzy's tenure during their prime were Sabotage and Vol. 4 with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as a runner-up. “The Wizard” may have that one riff (I'd argue it's a Hard Rock riff [the fills, phrasing, and little notes popping up here and there are even more indication]), but even so, claiming the debut is the first Metal album is inane.

Just listen to “Ride the Sky” by Lucifer's Friend which dropped in November of 1970, almost a year before the world would hear “Children of the Grave”. That song alone is heavier than most of what Sabbath made until that “Master of Reality”. For shits and giggles, follow that up with “Deceiver” by Judas Priest and you’ll notice some parallels:

What also can't be overstated is the significance of the heavier side of Psychedelic Rock from the early '70s with bands all over the world forging the foundations for Heavy Metal. Just check out Buffalo, Sir Lord Baltimore or Cool Feet:

Other items of intrigue...

Stone Axe (Sadly, this is the only single they recorded):


Captain Beyond:



Macabre (pre-Pentagram):

Legend (USA):
No. 24238
I guess in the weeks after a new album is released there is a chance that through discussion on the internet the exposure to unfamiliar but interesting/great works is increased.

The new album features a form of an older germanic language that I guess could be frisian or saxon. Been meaning to do some research on that and I guess I'll just do so now.
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Techno-Ernst back again

[KRTM] and Tim Tama (Some true underground techno heroes) released their collaborative piece yesterday

[KRTM] - Slave

Tim Tama - Dream Syntax

This will also be my first vinyl purchase
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Recently I've been listening to a lot of liquid dnb again. My music library consists of some 3000 tracks of that genre and even though I admit it is a rather repetitive one, it's soothing my mind to listen to it while driving the highway, work late at night or just work out in the park. I also startes compiling some mix tapes with my favorite tunes to keep me company on the road. in case anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChH-6DRw_r6yf3gk2bbkV2Q .
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Very interesting rendition of a traditional Turkish song:

No. 24351
Until the mid-2000s, Doom Metal was perhaps the least noticed of Heavy Metal’s subgenres in spite of two previous decades worth of mindblowing albums. An unfortunate consequence of this collective intrigue in forgotten Metal records released ages ago came this overzealous labeling of heavier Psychedelic bands as Doom Metal. This includes the ever so prevalent fallacy of “70s Doom” propagated by insolent music journalists and clever record distros who saw the perfect opportunity to move product. Simply put: no active, touring and/or recording Doom bands existed in the ’70s. Despite Black Sabbath’s influence on Metal and especially Doom Metal, the band never was a full-fledged Doom band. One could even argue they weren’t a Metal band until [I]Master of Reality[/I]. '70s Pentagram tinkered with Hard Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Heavy Metal, and Bedemon’s demos never reached a wider audience until they were bootlegged in the ’80s.

Doom Metal proper started in the ’80s, a decade that bequeathed Tyrant (who later became Saint Vitus), Trouble, Death Row/Pentagram, Candlemass, Cirith Ungol, Witchfinder General and Pagan Altar. These bands can be safely considered the origin of Doom Metal. The few obscure “Doom” bands (besides those affiliated with Candlemass and Iron Man) people name drop from the ’70s lack so many of the qualities seen in the bigger bands.

So what is Doom Metal, you ask? This is perhaps the best explanation for the genre I’ve heard:
>Imagine Black Sabbath’s career were moving chronologically backwards. Let’s start in the 70s here so we don’t have to go through their entire back catalog. Imagine “Vol. 4” was Black Sabbath’s first album. Then “Master of Reality” is their second, “Paranoid” their third, and then the self-titled album is their fourth. Now imagine that the band Earth never existed, and instead of following up their now fourth album with whatever blues type of music Earth played you take the backwards development of the Black Sabbath style and spin it further into the unknown. Muddier, more inchoate, more protozoic and somewhat creepier with each passing album. Then, when you followed that backwards movement all the way to the eighth album (being some time in 1962 or so), you’ve arrived at Saint Vitus. All their influences reverse engineered to a form that would have existed in the early 1960s if Heavy Metal and Doom Metal had not evolved from Rock music but came into being at zero metalness (but nothing else either) in 1950 and slowly but steadily grew more and more in Metal content (without Rock music or blues or any other form of music ever having any influence).

Quintessential Doom Metal albums:
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
Death Row - All Your Sins
Pentagram - Relentless
Trouble - Psalm 9
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Bedemon - Child of Darkness
Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
Pagan Altar - Pagan Altar / Volume 1 / Judgement of the Dead
No. 24353
How is there no mention of Electric Wizard nowhere in that entire thread?
No. 24357
>Electric Wizard

Their early work is decent (the band's previous incarnations as well the first two full-length albums are their best), but Dopethrone is heinously overrated. It's not bad, but decent at best. The music would be better if the pace wasn't gratingly dirgelike.
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You're way too autistic. Get help
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Wow rude
t. not even him
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Diabarha is back! A great speedcore composer:

One of his classic songs for comparison:

I immediately noticed the increased quality of the production.
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Came across Diabarha a bunch of times when I was looking for edgy stuff like extratone/splittercore, can't really enjoy this kind of speedcore.

What I do enjoy are some frenchcore songs, some stuff from Dr. Peacock and Sefa is actually pretty good IMO, even if it's mainly consumed by underage party NPCs

I found this dude "Undefined Movement" like a year ago and exchanged stuff with him on FB.
He does some nice underground hardcore/techno

We already discussed this a few threads ago, but nothing really originated out of it: Does anyone wanna go on a rave together?

I'm especially looking forward to this:

"Break/Fast 1.0" - hard & fast DnB/Hardcore, no mainstream stuff they say.
No. 24393
>no mainstream stuff they say.

You could listen to their soundclouds in order to get an idea. So far the description sounds like they know what they are talking about. I don't know shit about these genres so I'm not a good judge.
No. 24394
Stray Cats released their first new album since the early 90s late last month. It's honestly not as bad as I thought it'd be. I appreciate that they modernised their old act which was decidedly a throwback to classic Rock and Roll into what is considerably more modern music without losing the played-straight rockabilly that makes their act what it is. Overall it's solid, nothing special but not bad for a band I consider to be kind of washed up at this point anyway tbh :-DDD

Playlist of the album attached below but I dunno if it'll work for everybody. Album is too new for a full posting so it's only the official audio-only ones which can have patchy coverage.

No. 24441
The left turns on its own...yet again. I can't say I'm surprised since the history of revolutionary political movements and subcultures associated with them has seen no dearth of factionalism, and competing parties have gone as far as assassinating one another to gain power and influence.

In news related to extreme music and Antifa (yet again), Amebix and Tau Cross frontman Rob Miller has been in the crosshairs from a journalist at Brooklyn Vegan for Miller's endorsement of supposed "Holocaust denier" Gerard Menuhin:

Despite Miller's massive contribution to the development of Crust Punk (some argue it wouldn't exist without Amebix), condemnation from supposed fans came fast and furious, culminating to Relapse Records dropping the band from the label. Malcolm "Scruff" Lewty of Hellbastard has chosen to defend his comrade from the witchhunt led by Brooklyn Vegan by publishing Rob Miller's official statement on Hellbastard's Facebook page:

Keep in mind Hellbastard has always been expressly anti-racist, anti-Fascist and even pro-Antifa, but that didn't stop a certain segment of Antifa supporters from accusing both Miller and Scruff of being Nazi apologists. Since that time, an Antifa supporter has created a page on Facebook putting Scruff on blast for defending Rob Miller:
No. 24447
These are absolute fringe basically no name bands and antifa is a joke dude. Nobody cares about antifa and nobody cares about any of those bands either. I've never even heard of any of them. It's also hilarious to get butthurt about crustpunk being too leftist of all things.
No. 24450
You're reading stuff into my post that's not there. Considering that squatting Anarchists were the pioneers in Anarcho-Punk and Crust Punk, it would be stupid on my part to get mad about that faction being leftist in any capacity. The point being is that leftists eagerly devolve into infighting over the pattiest and trivial of reasons, and nobody is excluded.

I take it you really don't care about Crust Punk to educate yourself, because calling Amebix a "no-name" band shows your profound ignorance on the topic. Sure, they aren't as famous as, say, CRASS is, but they've earned a large and respectable following and just about every band cites Arise as an influence. Just read "The Day the Country Died" by Ian Glasper and you'll see that Amebix has quite a few references in that book.
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I wonder what Ernsties opinion on the Butthole Surfers might be?

The Butthole Surfers - Cough Syrup

Butthole Surfers - Human Cannonball

Butthole Surfers - Jingle of a Dog's Collar

Butthole Surfers - Who Was In My Room Last Night
No. 24456
Has anybody seen the Cockney Rejects recently? I know they're getting old but they're making their first Australian tour this year and I'm thinking about going. I don't want to go if they've lost their touch though. It'd be a waste of money.

>The point being is that leftists eagerly devolve into infighting over the pattiest and trivial of reasons, and nobody is excluded.
It's true of pretty much all politics, even the establishment is surprisingly divided on a lot of topics. Our conservatives for example are almost constantly tearing themselves apart along the lines of urban elite, big rural landholders and bible thumpers with a less-powerful fourth group consisting of the typically moderate upper-middle class.

Then again, infighting over trivial shite is the trademark of Australian politics this decade so maybe not the best example :-DDD

Breddy good. They're not my go-to music but I'm not upset when they come on. I just prefer a different sound for my everyday music.
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To elaborate, what really pisses me off is that nobody seems to be asking why Rob Miller takes inspiration from Gerard Menuhin and instead just assume the worst because of Menuhin's reputation as a "holocaust denier," which is peripheral to his main thesis in that the World Wars were about global finance taking control over the earth. He's less like David Irving and more like David Icke without the shapeshifting space lizards. In fact, if you read that Brett Stevens article linked to in that post, it'll explain cogently what likely inspired Rob Miller.

Between that and Rob's obsessions with ancient astronaut stuff, Gnostic Christianity and his views as a British leftist, I would be surprised if he hasn't read David Icke. Gnosticism + ancient aliens + Zionist conspiracies are basically the trifecta of Ickeism. Icke has a surprisingly large foothold in UK left-wing politics even among people who should know better. See also comic book writer Grant Morrison who's mentioned Icke as an influence on his "The Invisibles" or journalist Kerry Anne Mendoza who's even appeared on Icke's podcast as a guest. Neither of whom have received particular blowback for it. Another thing about Icke is that if you listen to an interview with him most of what he says is perfectly sensible self-help advice or garden variety Chomskyesque anti-capitalist rhetoric. Then he'll slowly work in his weirder ideas like "the Protocols of Zion are true but about aliens disguised as humans instead of Jewish people" or "global warming is a cover story for testing of superweapons based on weather manipulation" but in very small doses. That way you'll accept those ideas as logical consequences of the sensible stuff. He is way better at keeping up appearances than say Alex Jones.

Antifa themselves don't wield any political power in the Anglosphere, but that doesn't mean they can't be a nuisance for musicians with controversial opinions even those who're otherwise very close to them politically. Keep in mind we're not talking about those with diametrically opposite opinions (ie: RAC skinheads). We're talking about immediate peers and pioneers within their subculture.

It's within the power of labels, concert organizers and everyone else in the scene to choose to bow to their pressure or not. Sadly, most choose to not only out of expedience, but also because far-left politics and Antifa sympathizers have popular support within that scene, and openly defying them could trigger a domino effect.

Eh, they're okay. I never was that into them, but some of their songs still hold up.

The appeal of live music is lost on me. I haven't been to a live show in years, and the prospect of going into a dingy club where toilets don't work or buying overpriced drinks just aren't worth the price of admission. Plus chumming it up with complete strangers you'll never meet again no longer holds any novelty for me.

I do like the cheap merch and the opportunity to chew the fat with the band pre-show, so if that's what you're after, go for it. I've learned all to well that musicians die rather prematurely.
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To answer your question, I sadly haven't seen Cockney Rejects live, although I'd love to. They were heroes who produced some of the greatest Oi! cut to wax.

Interestingly, they switched to Metal in the middle of their career. Wonder what inspired that change:
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I had this record. It was a bore, I sold it.

I recall Boredoms, too. The same feeling.
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Hi Metalpunk Spain (Catalan?) :3

Any thoughts on this?
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Not a huge fan of the music, but the frontman of Boredoms, Eye, had a shit-ton of different projects and is absolutely legendary. From Wiki:

>Hanatarash was notorious for their dangerous live shows. Some of the band's most infamous shows included Eye cutting a dead cat in half with a machete, strapping a circular saw to his back and almost cutting his leg off, and destroying part of a venue with a backhoe bulldozer by driving it through the back wall and onto the stage.

>At a 1985 show in Tokyo's Superloft, the audience were required to fill out forms due to the possibility of harm caused by the show. The show was stopped due to Eye preparing to throw a lit molotov cocktail onto the stage. The performance cost ¥600,000 (approximately $9,000 US) in repairs.

>After several years of the intense live shows, Hanatarash was forbidden from performing at most venues, and were only allowed to return to live performances in the 1990s after Eye would agree to cease his destructive on-stage behavior.
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Re: The Boredoms

Superæ was interesting, but not enough substance to hold my attention or inspire any need to relisten. The only other material I'm familiar with is "Seadrum."
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Well, it's definitely not their best one
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Lately I've been listening to the band that did the song from the True Detective S1 show open. They're actually pretty good if you like Americana and Nick Cave style murder ballads.

No. 24544
Nothing against the song you posted, but ugh, Nick Cave is the first choice for wine aunts everywhere just like Tom Waits is the fedora of music. And every interview with him just makes me nauseous:

Anyway, carry on...
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SWEDEN makes good death metal in 2019, YES
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It's a matter of bad luck in my case, then
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This is not Death Metal