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Currently at Radio Ernstiwan:

It is about Horror Punk, starting from The Misfits, then the two samples This is Horror Punk 1&2 which tried to give a good overview of what emerged after the reunion of The Misfits end of the 90ties (without Glen Danzig of course) and after this some random pieces of the genre. To be honest, some psychobilly and othere familiar genres are within this playlist. by Horror Punk & Psychobilly


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No. 25325
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Old one yellowed and crumbled under the sun.

So Ernst, share your reading adventures with us once again.
No. 25339
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>the spirits' book
great read, whether you take it as a philosophical standpoint or literal truth I really enjoyed it. It's basically 1019 questions put to spirits about the nature of the material world and the spirit world by mediums in the 1860s, France.

>one second after
EMP hits 'murca and it follows the story of a town's attempt to survive after all the electricity shuts off and the cars stop working. It's super American, can't go a few pages without someone bursting into the national anthem, seeing a flag waving or saluting a corpse and thanking them for their service which is all fairly alien to me. It wasn't great but an interesting cautionary tale

>the last panther
gonna read this next
No. 25345
>the last panther
Isn't that just a work of fiction?
No. 25347
As I said, I haven't read it yet but my buddy who recommended it to me told me to read it with a grain of salt, and that I'd know when I came to certain parts that they weren't true. So he seemed fairly convinced it was fiction (but he neglected to tell me that until I bought it)
No. 25348
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Heh, from Lindy's review it seems that the book is one of those naziboo fantasies, albeit somewhat disguised as "memoirs". I bet both historical and literary value of the work approaches zero.
No. 25351
>Comrade Führer
>Comrade Hitler
These always make me laugh like an idiot. Do you have the one where they send back a special forces guy in time to be a molecule in Hitler's brain?
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>Do you have the one where they send back a special forces guy in time to be a molecule in Hitler's brain?
Nah. The author made a fuckton of this waste paper apparently, and it seems that he's not the only one making it, so it's hard to navigate this sea of shit.
No. 25357
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>Third cover
>Soviet tank crew shooting a civil war redguard

Is the imprint really called "anti-peace"? Top lel if true.
No. 25359
No, it's more like "anti-worlds". Possibly in the meaning that the worlds in those books are an antithesis of ours because of the alternative history or something.
No. 25361
Man, doing that cover art must be simultaneously depressing and hilarious.
No. 25387
I think I am going to go to a book store chain and buy a dumb and fun fantasy or scifi novel.
No. 25393
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I'm not a big fan of genre fiction, but if you want something ever so slightly more sophisticated (mostly just in terms of somewhat ornate language and some philosophical musings) I'd recommend the Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe. I'm halfway through the 4th (and last) volume now, and I gotta say it's been great so far.
The first volume starts out a bit slow but he really manages to create a "deep" and immersive world and often references previous events to explain them in a new light which gives way to some interesting twists. Not to mention that it starts out seemingly in a fantasy setting of swords and magic but then the sci-fi elements start coming in. It's been a while since I had so much actual fun reading.
No. 25404
what is the point of this board? it's slow and dead
No. 25405 Kontra
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What is the point of Igor posting? It's slow and dead inside.

This is a place for serious discussions, Igor. Shitposting, mindless attention whoring, and pedos are banned here. This is the opposite of that hellhole and possibly fed honeypot that shall not be named.

Like seriously did you actually come here to a literature thread just to ask what the point of the thread was that's discussing literature?
No. 25408 Kontra
By separating shitposting and ernstposting into different imageboards, we have concentrated different aspects of imageboard culture.
When I post on Ernstchan I serious post, and when I post on Kohlchan I shitpost (at least on the /int/ board).
With one imageboard (Krautchan) the culture was pulled into different directions as it started aging, and it will tend to lean towards one or the other (thereby diluting the alternative).
Ernstchan is the yang to Kohlchan's yin, and I would not have it any other way.
No. 25409 Kontra
Although, EC used to be less serious than it is now (there was more humour and more fun allowed).
No. 25410
I don't think that good jokes or classy shitposting is disallowed here. :3
No. 25411 Kontra
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It isn't so much that fun isn't allowed as we are vigilant about cabbageposting due to the fact that kind of crap led to KC2017 and them killing our homeland. Good jokes are welcome, as long as they are actually good and not moronic shitposts. I greatly fear the day k*hl becomes such a worse cesspool than I heard it is now and collapses at which point we're going to get flooded with shit. I sincerely hope they all go elsewhere like end or space or yli or wherever instead of here.

I have not seen one single tranny dick in over a year. There is zero pedo presence. I haven't seen /r9k/pol/ tier shitposts for the most part and barely any frogposting, which I hate because it's like finding flee eggs on your dog. If you don't deal with it now there'll be more later and eventually all serious discussions then all discussions at all stop and it becomes nothing but shitposts.
No. 25414 Kontra
While I agree with absolutely everything you've said about kohl, pedos, frogs and tranny dicks - I've never seen any light hearted banter on EC, as imageboards go it's a fairly no-fun-allowed kinda place (or at least old EC was, I got banned from that place so many times for not participating in the circlejerk)
No. 25419 Kontra
You got banned for being an annoying faggot. In the beginning it was continuing to spam porn after being told to knock it off, then it was just occasionally coming in for the sole purpose of bitching and moaning, contributing nothing.
No. 25426
So I looked at Nordic mythology for a bit today. It's insanely fun.
>So the world just sort of exist
>There are two chasms at the side
>Cold in the north
>Fire in the south
>In the middle lays a giant mountain ridge
>The cold winds meet in the middle with the hot winds
>The resulting drops of water give birth to Ymir the giant
>And a cow for some reason
>Ymir sweats in his dream and his drops of sweat become his children
>They are fed by the cows milk
>The cow licks a salty stone for nutrition
>He licks out Buri from the stone
>Buri gives birth to Bur
>Bur marries a female giant and gives birth to the first AEsir-gods
>These Gods proceed to start a war against the giants
>They murder Ymir
>They drown all of Ymir's children in his blood
>Use Ymir's flesh, bones and blood to create the world
And this wasn't even a primary source, but it still was really enjoyable for some reason.
No. 25427
dont know about him but he is right. I sincerely hope neither endchan/kc and this place wont swarmed by kohl posters. it happened once I've seen it it was shit. I also remember getting banned for no reason. nothing even slighly indicated I should be banned.
No. 25434
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>every Irishball on every imageboard is the same person
No. 25435
Yeah I love Gene Wolfe but I’m looking for something dumber right now.
No. 25436
I struggle to give my full focus to books. When I do, it's usually collections of short stories like HP Lovecraft and Poe.
I enjoy learning and collecting ideas, but my attention span has been strained.
No. 25437
You could read longer books going chapter by chapter, I sometimes even make several small breaks while reading a chapter or with longer articles, depending on how relevant it is and my motivation. And I'm reading around 300p-500p/week.
No. 25439
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H.G. Wells has a short story omnibus that is pretty good. I'm surprised it has been censored yet since it's so non politically correct. Wonder when they'll start doing that, censoring old books. A few oldies I've picked up in the last few years has disclaimers in the introduction about them being raciss n' sheit
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An article on the concept of feedback in cybernetics with a focus on Kurt Lewin, a psychologist that worked at the MIT. It's cultural history and thus traces Lewins work concerning group psychology and behavior which is still noticeable in the evalutation complex of today. Anybody who has visited workshops or works in bigger companies (maybe even in small dunno) knows about evaluation and constant forth and back between evaluation, action and new evaluation, 'Feedback'.
Tbh social engineering is pretty spooky or broader: psycho culture or psycho boom of the 60s, just like before and after and the entanglement of post war cybernetics, the information revolution and counter culture /calfornia up to the present is a very interesting strand of history as it seems to be the humus for the modes of techno formatted communication we encounter today.
No. 25614
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Continued reading The Governance of China. Honestly, so far my biggest problem with the volume is that it's basically a collection of eloquent speeches that say absolutely nothing or barely anything.
Nothing is concrete in it.
>We will turn China into a socialist cultural-power!
>Our goal should be the establishment of an austere welfare state
Okay, how? Elaborate on it, please. What action is to be taken and by who?

I mean, it's not nonsense like old soviet socialist-realist theory for example, it's just shallow, and the shallowness is killing my interest.
No. 25618
You just found out how it works...empty (abstract) words without any clarification that evoke something in people if they not think about it from an angle like you do. Words empty in that sense that they can be filled with anything one imagines...that's really a 'classic' rhetoric. the term freedom e.g. in itself is empty, western people are not free from doing it too, using empty words and getting evoked by it.

But did you really expect that much, maybe it's my wectern bias, but what to expect from a man who made himself leader without time limit, afaik?
No. 25619
I expected to read about the basic tenets of Xism. Or at least something with a concrete ideology. It even lacks a coherent ideology. He evokes socialism and traditionalism in the same paragraph at times.

Even if it were to be bullshit, I'd rather have elaborate bullshit, like that 80 pages long essay on socialist realism I read once. That had complex terminology, long sentences, and it was trying to pretend there was something in that finely wrapped box. That's fun to tackle. This us just
>Everything will be better and more epic wins for China
The only thing it sheds light on is the fact that China runs on pragmatism instead of hardcore socialism/communism.
From my limited experience, old Marxist text were really hardcore when it came to keeping up appearances of concreteness and complexity.
It might be the fact that these are all speeches, and so it has to be more shallow and vapid to appeal to the audience.
No. 25634
>concrete ideologies

I wondered if that is not an oxymoron.


Yeah, you can not expect too much from them concerning complexity, but they should give you a basic idea at least.

But I don't understand how it's a problem to merge socialism with traditionalism into a new ideology. You can do that and give it out as ideology and I guess it is. What is done is something completely different often times.

You need to tackle 'intellectuals' who wrote books on Xiism, if those even exist. Dunno. The nazis even had many people who wrote books about the content of the ideology, socialism is different insofar as it is tied to Marxism that has a theoretical history on its own.
No. 25635
The Nazies always were really "concrete" in their goals, even if said goals were humiliating or killing a people. They had actual, very real aims, be they good, horribly miscalculated in scope, or outright fucking mad.

Xi does establish some goals in his speeches like
>Helping Western China catch-up to the coastal territories
>Cultural dialogue with the west (And increasing cultural soft power by encouraging "cultural enterprises")
>Tackling corruption
>A people-centred CPC
But as I said, nothing is elaborated besides stating these goals nobody could have anything against. I mean, these are all perfectly reasonable goals if you think about it. It's just we don't know how the CPC will actually try to achieve them.
So the edition itself is sort of a miss, since no prole will take it off the shelf, and if someone serious were to open it, they'd have a hard time getting any use out of it, since it doesn't really serve as an introduction to the ideology of the state. (And I'd argue that besides learning some really basic stuff about the Xi Government's goals, you won't be getting much use out of it as a foreigner.)
It'd probably work better as a series of pamphlets instead of one big book that could serve as a coursebook.

Anyway, I'll continue reading it, to see if there is anything else worthwhile, even if it's just that I'll find some interesting tidbits in the footnotes.

>Marxism that has a theoretical history on its own
That is indeed unusual about Marxism. You can still find books like Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism and such lying around for pennies if not for free, and the authors are all Soviet academics, sometimes droves of them, collaborating on gigantic volumes to bring you theory.

>But I don't understand how it's a problem to merge socialism with traditionalism into a new ideology.
Nothing necessarily wrong with it. I'd probably go for something like that if I had to build an ideology myself.
It just caught me off guard, really, but considering the fact that some CPC members were actually hiding ancient relics and artifacts from the redguard in storages during the cultural revolution makes it seem actually pretty normal to evoke traditions. (As in, we have to remember that not everyone wanted the cultural revolution to happen. Most people probably didn't want it. But "most people" is an irrelevant group)
No. 25878
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Any of you read Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism? The subject matter seems enticing enough, but I'm not sure if it's actually worthwhile, or just a pamphlet without much value. (I again, have an weird disdain for something I do not yet know fully, and this time it's the publisher, Zero Books. Probably because I saw them publish some awful looking books like Give them an argument and Kill all normies.)
No. 25879
Mark Fisher is a great theorist, member of the CCRU, sadly did suicide. Capitalist Realism is part of his analysis of contemporary (political, systemic, cultural etc) stasis.

Also Kill All Normies wasn't bad, the argument of the right adopting counter culture techniques is valid.
No. 25881 Kontra
>publish some awful looking books like

Oh, I see. Don't you know the proverb: Don't judge a book by its cover? :^)
No. 25884
I knew I could always count in the German Ernsts.

>Also Kill All Normies wasn't bad, the argument of the right adopting counter culture techniques is valid.
>Oh, I see. Don't you know the proverb: Don't judge a book by its cover? :^)
I mean, it looked like such a soulless "topical" work that was quickly put out to capitalize on the imageboard-scare that I dismissed it [Kill all normies].
Was it an actual, well sourced essay/thesis?

I was just asking about Capitalist Realism, because it's very cheap right now, and I still have a few quids on my paypal account, and I might as well get it, since there is no reason not to at half the price. (Maybe it'll even complement Society of the Spectacle nicely)
It feels like an important topic to me, ever since I had a 30 minute discussion about how "people don't take things seriously and passion is dead and only identity-tags remain" after a class.
No. 25885
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I read it a few years back and wasn't too impressed as he rambles quite a bit about some Zizekian ideas and so on and so on, the main argument being that of capitalism having set up it's own mechanisms of self-preservation and the impossibility of systemic change. This is of course reason to despair (as usual no constructive conclusions are drawn), so being the kind of ideology-driven person he was (plus mental health issues ofc) it's really not much of a surprise he offed himself. Now that I think about it it's kind of an impotent version of e.g. Mishima's suicide.
But getting back on topic, I'd recommend just reading it since it's really short anyways and it gives some substantial insight into the state of modern leftist (or rather actual Marxist) theory before all the idpol stuff happened.

Here's a (negative) review of Nagle's book by the infamous Kantbot: https://web.archive.org/web/20180226143118/http://thermidormag.com/angela-nagles-wild-ride/
I haven't read it personally, as the book didn't seem too interesting to me, but I trust him to touch upon some at least interesting, if not always sensible, points.

>I was just asking about Capitalist Realism, because it's very cheap right now
It's really short anyways so you can just read it even on the computer in one sitting, so I've attached the PDF since I have it at hand just in case.
No. 25886
>Capitalism and the Real
Is that Lacan I'm smelling?

Just the chapter titles make my heart beat with excitement, honestly.
I like his style, even if he seems to reference movies a bit too much, but I guess he is trying to keep it simple.
No. 25891
>(as usual no constructive conclusions are drawn)

perhaps the Acid Communism text, not sure if he was ideology driven, Zizek ok, but even he does not believe in the "right consciousness" but eternal struggle over hegemony.
He was influenced by Deleuze and Guattari who (famously) can be quoted
>there is no ideology

but I don't know if Fisher bought that actually in his later years.
Yet he is counted as accelerationist so is texts don't ooze fatalism. It's just a nice analysis and therefore worth reading, even more so because it's short.


are you that social darwinist german?

>some substantial insight into the state of modern leftist (or rather actual Marxist) theory

not sure about that


tl,dr? I read it long ago but I think some arguments are alright e.g counter culture techniques. She at least was not moralizing, if I remember correctly.

I don't think so, the Real of Lacan has nothing to do with realism as in lets be realistic about this afaik the Real is something you cannot comprehend or something like that

>movie references

he is a cultural theorist and I guess his preference for movies comes from Zizek
No. 25896
>not sure if he was ideology driven
I don't mean that in a derisive sense, just that he was thoroughly obsessed with theory.
I don't know either what was going on in his later years neither have I read his later writings. It was just a conjecture since Capitalist Realism did make a thoroughly fatalist impression on me at the time I read it.

>not sure about that
Why not? Along with Zizek I feel like he's one of the most prominent modern Left theorists.

>are you that social darwinist german?
Nah lol

I haven't read the book myself either, only listened to some podcast with Nagle and felt that was enough to get the gist. Some quotes from the review:
>the book has a certain cheapness to it unbecoming of the intellectual ambitions of the author. Reading it at times I felt it belonged more to the genre of timely and exploitative political cash-in than it did to the genre of academic socio-political theory, and this I felt was unfortunate given what I felt Nagel really would have liked to accomplish.
>Nagle doesn’t appear to have interacted much with the typical 4chan users and internet trolls she means to investigate, and I feel like some of the unexamined premises which underlay the book’s weaker lines of arguments could have been shored up had she made a more sincere attempt to enter the perspectives she was trying to unpack. There are no real stories here, only 4chan green text posts taken at face value, and Nagle never succeeds in getting beyond anonymity to the faces and thinking of the people who serve as the subject for her whole book.

>I don't think so, the Real of Lacan has nothing to do with realism
He does reference Lacan explicitly for sure (also courtesy of Zizek ofc)
No. 25914
>obsessed with theory

I don't understand. What does this has to do with ideology? ideology is just one part of the leftist theory apparatus

>Zizek I feel like he's one of the most prominent modern Left theorists.

Well, they are prominent, but Zizek is the misanthrope now and attacks id politics which is also very prominent but also famous with liberals. Both Fisher and Zizek are diagnosing a missing imagination in the left tho. The latter is quite famous in some leftists circles but they are not representative. I think it's hard these days to find a good representation of the left, there is no real unity a few unifying desires perhaps, but mutual enemies perhaps.

>Nagle never succeeds in getting beyond anonymity to the faces and thinking of the people who serve as the subject for her whole book.

Point is, is that an aim of the argument. Ofc you have only what is on the internet. Yet these texts are read and taken at face value by many people I suppose. Nagle shows 4chan as ironic shiposting, perhaps nihilism and cynism. Don't know if she argues that this is a good ferment for the politicization of chans we all experienced over the last decade. At least the culture war thesis is not wrong.

>He does reference Lacan explicitly for sure

A reference that connects the Real of Lacan with Capitalist Realism as sames.

I found a passage of interest here to clear it up:

>At this point, it is perhaps worth introducing an elementary theoretical distinction from Lacanian psychoanalysis which Žižek has done so much to give contemporary currency: the difference between the Real and reality. As Alenka Zupancic explains, psychoanalysis's positing of a reality principle invites us to be suspicious of any reality that presents itself as natural. 'The reality principle', Zupancic writes 'is not some kind of natural way associated with how things are ... The reality principle itself is ideologically mediated; one could even claim that it constitutes the highest form of ideology, the ideology that presents itself as empirical fact (or biological, economic...) necessity (and that we tend to perceive as non-ideological). It is precisely here that we should be most alert to the functioning of ideology.' For Lacan, the Real is what any 'reality' must suppress; indeed, reality constitutes itself through just this repression. The Real is an unrepresentable X, a traumatic void that can only be glimpsed in the fractures and inconsistencies in the field of apparent reality. So one strategy against capitalist realism could involve invoking the Real(s) underlying the reality that capitalism presents to us. (p.17f.)

So the Real of Lacan is not the same as Capitalist Realism but actually suppresses it, takes its places, becomes an ideology. Capitalist Realism is a reality that presents itself as natural and by doing so it suppresses the Real (of Lacan). So what Fisher suggests is giving sight to the traumatic void, the fracture and inconsistency of what Capitalist realism is trying to hide by presenting itself as closed and ubiquitous reality in which every thing is identified and making sense.
No. 25924
I guess I'm really just better off reading Capitalist Realism as a PDF (Maybe printing it), and getting something by Slavoj "Sniffman" Zizek if I want something longer and in detail. (I think I'll postpone that for later, though I'll finish reading CR on the weekend.)

Sorry if I touched some nerves by brutishly exclaiming unfounded opinions.
I always knew I could count on the Germans.
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Cringe title aside it actually provides you with some very reasonable tips on negotiation. It is very textbook in how you read it but I enjoyed how it asks you to imagine what you would do in a particular scenario and to reflect on those choices.
No. 26020
I think I'm going to read Zizek in Hungarian. I looked at one of his books in English, and I heard him say every single word in my head as I was reading. It's killing me. It shouldn't be funny, but it is!
No. 26025
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Okay I finished reading it and as per Lindy's review there it does indeed seem to be fanfic written to make money off gullible wehrboos. Every single tank in the book exploded into a ball of fire even when it was hit in the turret and the whole book was pure suffering like an episode of The Walking Dead where everyone just suffers exponentially, and endlessly in ever increasing bullshit.

btw I met Lindy in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
No. 26027
>btw I met Lindy in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
How so?
No. 26028
> in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
>in a complete surprise to absolutely no one
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It was at Tankfest 2017, Bovington tank museum. There we were enjoying our time at tankfest, the re-enactors were great and I was talking to some re-enactor about the Lee Enfield rifle while I was holding it and a sten gun, then I feel this slap on my right arm, and another slap and it's this autistic fucking wildman beating me with a camera's tripod as he barges his way through the crowd.

Next thing I know this dude is standing next to me and talking loudly over everyone AT this re-enactor about the benefits of the Lee Enfield rifle. Each time the actor would try to talk this fucking guy would just shout over him about 5 round stripper clips and how it was so superior to the mosin nagant, all the time waving that fucking tripod around like a retard in case anyone got near to this actor dude who was clearly trying to suppress a smirk. A few more slaps of that tripod and I decided to cut my losses and go over to the German re-enactors who handed me a panzerschreck out of pity, having witnessed that bearded fuck AMOG a whole crowd with his autistic screeching.

I hadn't a clue who he was at the time until my buddies were like ''DUUUUDE that was Lindy Beige!''
No. 26039
>A few more slaps of that tripod and I decided to cut my losses and go over to the German re-enactors who handed me a panzerschreck out of pity
I don't know why this sentence is so incredibly funny
No. 26048
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I'm about halfway thru the 'Cybernetic Hypothesis' by Tiqqun.
It traces the entanglement of capitalism and cybernetics throughout the 20th century. It was published in 2001. It's written in a political manner and thus sometimes lack further explanations or works with aggravations. And yet the control and governance of the self as well as the extraction of surplus value by circulation (and that also ensures further accumulation) and others is a plausible shift in the political economy as laid out so far.
Tbh the transformation thru cybernetics Tiqqun calls the network, talking of networks a "second cybernetics" after WW2 seems enormous but largely unacknowledged, even natural to the larger public. So I wonder if the analysis of cybernetics is exaggerated. But then again the proofs in science and economy seem to be there. And who will deny, that both spheres have quite an impact on how we deal with society and its organization which in the end have a strong impact on our lives we get subjected by such forces, even tho a reflection could provide the possibility to resistence
No. 26084
I've often wondered just how radically different the world could be had the second world war or Cold war gone differently. There is a whole new medium of the arts that essentially didn't even exist until the 1980s. Just imagine if the home computer didn't exist. I'm not even sure the Soviets would have gone this route had say the US collapsed in the 1970s for some mysterious reason. Would vidya even exist? Would the internet even exist, and if it did, would it even vaguely resemble what we have today as a consumer civilian service? It's just odd to think about how thoroughly computers and the internet has permeated everything and the fact that all the steps required to make this complex technology even exist and be readily available outside the military and universities are not a sure thing to such an extent the world could be radically different, not simply on a geopolitical level but just to the little things we take for granted, and the fact that so much of our modern society is now reliant on these same computers and lightspeed information systems.

While I wouldn't go that far, I can see the argument being made for how the internet itself serves as a kind of cybernetic augmentation for humanity but in perhaps the most important way: as a cybernetic prostheses for our minds.
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You should give this a read, written in 1933, it was a predictive future-history of the world. In his predictive future Hitler's nazis are just a gang that never gains traction and Ireland is a post-apocalyptic country of wildmen!

I wrote my Philosophy thesis on this book and 4 others. It's a bit dry but interesting.
No. 26098
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> I'm not even sure the Soviets would have gone this route had say the US collapsed in the 1970s for some mysterious reason.

I've somewhere read and argument I remember now that said the soviets had no interest in personal technology. Like, the telephone was an instrument to give orders and not for private communication. Serving the interests of a centralized state. So I guess they were interested in computers and cybernetics but had another use in mind.

>all the steps required to make this complex technology even exist and be readily available outside the military and universities

And here you have to look at the history of cynbernetics, its military origin and it spilling into the public sector and taken up by the counter culture of the 60s. I guess the latter are significant for why we have personal computers today. The vision might not have been capitalistic, but its "counter" aspect got marginalized, if it ever was really radical at all. The Californian Ideology is perhaps the pervert twist of this entanglement: "Help the world and get rich with it" - Socialism and Capitalism? One got lost and became a hollow phrase.
No. 26123
Well, imagine if the OGAS project had borne fruit and the USSR transitioned to a cybernetic planned economy in the 1970s with an internet of its own.

>I've somewhere read and argument I remember now that said the soviets had no interest in personal technology. Like, the telephone was an instrument to give orders and not for private communication. Serving the interests of a centralized state. So I guess they were interested in computers and cybernetics but had another use in mind.

Interesting story: The Eastern bloc had its own version of Eurovision but personal phones were almost unheard of. To get around the problem of voting they would have people indicate their preferences by switching their lights on and off which led to measurable power fluctuations on the national grid.
No. 26783
Read the first volume of The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick. Being used to his later novels with their dark, tense and paranoid atmosphere like A Scanner Darkly, Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said or Ubik, I was confounded by the short stories in this collection and by the fact that they don't feel like PKD's at all, but then I realized that they are placed in the chronological order, so they were written way before Dick went batshit crazy. A lot of them have unambiguously happy endings (and, what was even more unexpected of PKD for me, unambiguously unambiguous), some, like "Indefatigable Frog", "Prize Ship" and stories about Dr. Labyrinth ("The Preserving Machine", "The Short Happy Life of the Brown Oxford"), are light-heartedly humorous, and "The Little Movement" with "The King of the Elves" could even pass as honest-to-goodness fairy-tales. The stories are often quite idealistic to the point of being naïve, and while Dick's usual themes of dissociation and losing personal identity are present, they are not nearly as prominent as, say, the anti-war theme ("The Gun", "The Defenders", "The Variable Man") or cyberpunk-ish theme of enslavement by the technology ("Stability", "The Great C"). The most PKD story in this volume, in my opinion, is "Colony", which is profoundly dark and very paranoid, and which, I suspect, served as an inspiration for the recent videogame Prey.

Overall, although these stories felt much more "normal" that I expected, I still liked them and I would compare them favorably to Harlan Ellison's stories that I wrote about in one of the earlier thredas, simply because Dick doesn't try his darnedest to be artsy, doesn't show off his erudition on every occasion and doesn't turn the stories into some sort of parables. I also wonder why I didn't encounter any of PKD's works in SF collections published in Soviet Union. Of course, stories about drugs or oppressive governments wouldn't pass the censorship, but most stories from this volume would, I think.
No. 26861
>Shen Fu - The Old Man of the Moon
This is a short novella, originally a part of a late Qing-era collection called Six Records of a Life Afloat, Penguin just decided to publish a small, pocket edition of it. (Though yes, it made me want to read the other stories in the collection.)

I'm including some spoilers
The story centres on a lowly scholar, who marries a beautiful woman called Yun. The unusual bit is that Yun is not like the average women in the sense that she is both interested in and capable of pursuing the literary arts. Even the author mentions, that essentially she was a woman of male character.
I'd say the first half of the story is an idyll, and the second half is where the sudden tragedy strikes. The time frame is large, the couple lives together for Twenty-three years before "suddenly parting", which imho made the tragedy feel lesser. That's a long marriage with a lot of happiness.
Not to mention the Buddhist ideal of loving couples transcending death is constantly there. (Though the latter makes it all the more moving, I nearly cried at the ending, and I don't say things like these lightly.)
Anyway, lovely story. I liked reading it a lot.
No. 26891
I am reading books of Frankfurt School

Pretty intersding imo
No. 26940
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just finished reading this incredible work
will probably move onto some of carl jung's alchemy work now
No. 27409
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2/3 through the Divine Comedy now. I'm quite unhappy with my edition as there are absolutely no footnotes and only very scant chapter summaries so I keep losing track of actually understanding what's going on and just go along reading because of the rhythm. Gonna listen to some lectures on it for further explanation I guess.

I'm also reading McLuhan's Understanding Media, which is absolutely stellar and visionary in regards of media analysis. Would strongly recommend to anyone interested in the interplay of civilization-culture-media. It's really rather hard to put the insights into your own words though as he has a somewhat idiosyncratic writing style, I had to mark a ton of quotes.

I've also torn through Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 in two days as it's quite short and that was immensely captivating and enjoyable, best book I've read in a while. Might just start another of his longer wokrs soon.

Also finished the Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun tetralogy a while ago as well, it was great too but I really wouldn't have minded if it would've gone on a bit longer. Really enjoyed connecting the threads and retrospectively recognizing premonitions. As seems to be the consensus, it's definitely a candidate to be reread at some point.

Please marvel at this pic-related gem I found while googling around
No. 27414
I kinda get the impression much is lost in translation from time and place anyway. There's numerous references throughout that work that I don't get because I'm not an Italian from many centuries ago. I also always found it kind of odd the way Dante structured what he portrayed as worse vices, and am saddened by how much a complete work of fiction seems to be taken mostly by retarded American protestants and by modern non-religious people to be the same thing as Christian doctrine. I still need to get around to reading Paradiso at some point.
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I stumbled across Sad by Design while reading this interview about the new book by Yuk Hui on Recursivity and Contingency

It is written in a more agressive tone and indeed fulfills the promise of a more radical critique. I've only read the introduction and a chapter that seemed promising for my term paper and just now dipped into the first chapter.

Some quotes to get you an impression and feel

>Mainstream media’s role as “clearing houses” for facts and opinions has been undermined for decades by growing centripetal forces in society that no longer accept particular baby-boom sentiments such as truth and independence. Yet while their legitimacy has faded, their influence remains substantial. This creates an atmosphere of permanent ambivalence.
>After decades of hard work to deconstruct the dominant ideology of the mainstream media, there is no way back. The liberal consensus is broken

>No matter how desperate the situation, the uprising simply won’t happen. At best we attend a festival, expand our mind and body—and then sink back into the void.

>This book picks up those threads, examining in particular the interplay between our mental state and the technological condition.

>Alarmism has worn itself out. If we want to smash platform capitalism, a political economy analysis will not be sufficient

>As Gramsci said, “the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.”

>We no longer turn on the television news thinking that we’re watching a film. We’ve moved on. It is not life that has become cinematographic; it is the film scenario and its effects that shape the grand designs of our technological societies. Films anticipated our condition, and now we’re situated in the midst of yesteryears’ science fiction. Minority Report is now a techno-bureaucratic reality, driven by the integration of once-separate data streams. Black Mirror is not a joke. Virtual reality actually feels like The Matrix. Trump’s reality TV shows proved to be rehearsals. His tweets are actually US policy. All this makes us long for truly untimely, weird fiction.

Seems to be a good book for everyone who grew up in his teens with imageboards and social media in general or who even has seen the dawning of the internet and how it developed into the present modification. Espcially because the tone is refreshinly aggresive and suits more an imageboard than some bleak newspaper article

Just one last:

>“The internet finds itself dominated by two ruling narratives: the American one, where power is concentrated in the hands of just a few big players, and a Chinese model, where government surveillance appears to be the leitmotif. Between Big Tech and government control, where does this leave citizens?” To label social media users as citizens is obviously a political framing, common lingo within NGO “global civil society” circles. Is this our only option to escape the consumer identity?
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Just finished Tom Gunning's book on DW Griffith. Griffith is usually lauded and criticized on the basis of The Birth of a Nation, the former usually in annoyingly vague terms. Gunning gives a truly interesting analysis of DWG's short films from 1908-9 where he actually developed the core of his techniques and, most importantly, the mechanics of narrative, characterization and morality of film that barely existed before him and became the hallmarks of classical film style afterwards.
He also connects it with the cultural context in interesting ways, showing which pressures on film existed at that time, and talks about Florence Lawrence and Mary Pickford, who were perhaps the first celebrity film actors (even though for a long time it was the policy of film producers then not to let any creators' or actors' names be known).

>there are absolutely no footnotes
What a pity. If there's a great work of literature that absolutely needs footnotes and explanations, it's the Comedy. It's worth it, I was impressed by Inferno as a teenager reading it for school, so surely

This looks really fascinating, and fortunately not long. Thanks for the rec
No. 27592
I'm a retard
>so surely you'd find something worthwhile in it too.
No. 27657
I read a collection of Basho's haikus. I probably lost 90% of it in translation, but a few pieces were really moving.
*In lucky realms tea's
smell is triumphant even
over oranges'*
This one was probably the best in the whole booklet.

I'm going to write a more substantial post once I'm done with the last stretch of Old Masters.
No. 27777
In which language did you read it in? I recently came across a Russian edition of Basho on the internet, flipped through it, found this gem:

Весной собирают чайный лист

Все листья собрали сборщицы...
Откуда им знать, что для чайных кустов
Они - словно ветер осени!

In spring they pick tea leaves

The pickers have gathered all the leaves...
How would they know that for the tea shrubs
They are like an autumn wind!
No. 27792
Finished Paradiso today, so I'm done with the Divine Comedy for now. I can definitely appreciate the structure and it's influence on other works but I have to say I'm rather disappointed, I expected something more grand, and not so many seemingly arbitrary references to worldly matters. It especially fades in comparison to Milton's Paradise Lost, which was a truly exhilarating read for me.

>I kinda get the impression much is lost in translation from time and place anyway. There's numerous references throughout that work that I don't get because I'm not an Italian from many centuries ago.
For sure, but I'd expect there's a lot of scholarly work done on it that could elucidate a major part of the references.

>If there's a great work of literature that absolutely needs footnotes and explanations, it's the Comedy.
I guess I might come back to it some time if I pick up another edition, maybe with a different translation as well since this one didn't impress me at all.


Started reading Gogol's Dead Souls now, which I'm greatly enjoying, it's been a while since I've read anything in Russian. There was some off-hand remark in the McLuhan book I was reading along the lines that his style is proto-modern or sth like that, which seems plausible to me now. I'll have to do some reading on Gogol's biography as well though since I don't really know anything about him.

I'm going to pick up something classical now as well, Aischylos or Sappho maybe. Also some non-fiction as well, though not sure what yet. Spengler's The Decline of the West hardcover is looming over my room, but I don't really feel like picking it up atm, maybe I'd rather read something more "applicable".
No. 27815
So, Thomas Bernhard: Old Masters (Comedy)
At this point, I think I can soundly proclaim that Bernhard is one of my favourite writers. Despite writing in a formulaic manner, his writing is still fresh. Old Masters and The Lime-works are quite alike in their characters and form. An old man, a maniac of an old man, against the world somewhere in Austria, ranting obsessively about things to someone (in the case of Old Masters, Atzbacher, a "Private Scholar") about an assortment of topics, such as philosophy, music, art, and modernity.
Nothing much happens in the novel, all of it takes place on a single afternoon in the Kunsthistorische Museum in Vienna (Which I actually saw when I went to the Naturhistorische Museum, so I got the picture quite well). Of course the scope of the novel is larger, because the protagonist, Rege, a Musikphilosoph for lack of a better term, keeps recounting his experiences with death, survival, music, Austrian politics and humanity's cultural decline.
These opinions take on the form of a Bernhardian rant, seamlessly connecting each and every opinion of Reger into one long winded wall of text that keeps raging on.
I'd say Bernhard is what's happen if a Kafka character decided to "man the fuck up" and turn the whole Kafkaesque world upside down. The protagonists in Bernhard's works combat the absurdity of modern existence through their own insane absurdity and self-absorbed manias.

I did a little experiment, and I read out aloud some of the book. I felt genuinely angry and mad by the time I stopped. Another testament to just simply how natural and elemental Bernhard's prose is.

It's scary how Reger's opinions can be insanely uncomfortable to the average man, while also sometimes being painfully true.

I watched a short excerpt from an interview with the author, and he talks just the way he writes.

Overall, 10/10, would recommend. A great book by a great author.

I read it in Hungarian.
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>Listen to an interview with Ernst Jünger
>"I haven't learnt Spanish, and it is too late for that now"
>"I haven't had the time to get acquainted with modern Latin-american literature"
The guy lived a hundred and two years, yet he didn't have enough time for everything. This is so fucking soul crushing.

Said interview:
No. 27825
Better not to think about that kind of stuff.
Just immerse yourself in study and hobbies so that there is no time to think, and then one day die unexpectedly.
No. 27827
Just meditate until you can turn off compulsive thinking and stop getting caught up in your mind's melodrama.
No. 27835
I'm in the mood for some short stories. Can Ernst please recommend me some?
No. 27838
The Last Question by Isaac Asimov
No. 27867
The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster is a pretty cool proto sci-fi story which I found pretty visionary considering it came out in 1909. I don't really remember too well single stories I could recommend from these but here are some collections I enjoyed:
Labyrinths by Borges
Nine Stories by Salinger
Death in Midsummer and Other Stories by Mishima
Rashomon and Other Stories by Akutagawa
Cosmicomics by Calvino
Burning Chrome by Gibson
No. 27882
No. 27895
Last Exit Brooklyn by Hubert Selby, showing fucked up US of the 1960s-1980s, it deals with outcasts and poor people, dunno exactly when it came out hence the wide time span.
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I read the introduction to a compendium edited by Erich Hörl and titled in translation as The Technological Condition. Contributions for a Description of the Technical World

What is posited is that we entered a stage in which humans and technology are bound up in a network, they form an ecology. No more is there a difference of the human as possessor of meaning in opposition to the machine reduced to a meaningless functional tool. It's the technology as machine disrupting the sense of meaning. We are living in a time of the technological unconscious - technology became ubiquitous and second nature. The conditions are not comparable to the ones centuries ago anymore, where technology was often grasped as crafting tool.

The compendium features texts by philosophers of technology like Gilbert Simondon, Bernhard Stiegler, Alexander Galloway, Mark Hansen. And also female philosophers from which Katherine Hayles seems important, reading the introduction and the things Hörl says she pointed out in her work.

So far it was promising to read, finally some insights on how to tackle the present in a refreshing way.
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I haven't read any non-fiction in a while, much less philosophy. So without many expectations I picked up Alexandre Kojève's (or should I rather say Aleksandr Kozhevnikov's) Introduction to Hegel and ended up reading about a third of it on some lengthy train rides.
Boy oh boy, this stuff just has me in stitches. It's like reading an unbelievably elaborate shitpost and I can only imagine how absolutely bonkers it would be to read the Phenomenology of Spirit itself. And there I was deeming Nietzsche presumptuous, but G.W.F. "The Absolute Knower" Hegel and his Absolute Knowledge are just on another level completely. I just can't help but appreciate the audacity but while I think ironically being a Hegelian sounds like a great idea I'm afraid that I'd end up taking it seriously in the end. Anyways, I'm definitely planning to take notes and employ some of the mannerisms in my everyday language since that stuff is just hilarious.
No. 28266
As becoming Deleuzian atm I can only detest :DDD I know a guy who did not read much Hegel or only secondary sources, yet he already claimed, that Hegel is right and knows how things go. Ugh. Anway, I will read him one day I guess, but Kojeve might be a good start before you absolutely crash n burn with Logik der Wissenschaft :DDD His lectures on aesthetics I had partly in a class, wasn't fun at all. Hegel is quite dusty and probably a true German in that that was out for Ordnung.
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No. 28321
The fact you used those images alongside the description sufficed to convince me to get it. I just hope I don't need to rely on importing it through Amazon, pay that much for books gets tiresome(and reading ebooks bothers me)
No. 28324
Here's are two interesting videos that tie into Hegel:

It's very enlightening to ask yourself why certain facets of his work aren't properly explored, and the line of thought presented in these also suggests why Hegel is so popular in academia (hence my recommendation). If you're interested, the same channel has other videos which tie Marx and others into a similar logic.
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>probably just conspiracy shit that gets heated up over teleology

Very enlightening, but before I waste so many minutes of my life, you could just provide the argument here.

fuck off /pol/ in every thread
No. 28353
Hegel was deeply interested in figures like Böhme, mystics/occultists which influenced his work quite a lot. The thing is these mystic currents are basically the esoteric offshoots of jewish thought, and from that point the video author shows how this also influenced other figures, like Kant, and how this explains the fanaticism akin to religious fervor we can observe in sectors of academia, which influences the current world to a great extent. And if you dismiss any discussion involving jews just because muh /pol/ then I'm afraid it is you who should be characterized as a monkey.
No. 28354 Kontra
Oh, and if you want more detail, he show how the linear notion of "progress" towards some end days paradise is something present in many influential thinkers, from christians to atheists.
No. 28359 Kontra
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There is a vast difference between discussing the influence of Jewish esotericism and its influence on areas of thought and being a poltard, and it is in fact a big trait of being a poltard by not being able to distinguish between the two.
>characterized as a monkey
This, for instance, is sharply veering into shitpost territory. It isn't even trying to be funny, just talking like the usual vierkanal/KC2017 crap we'd very much like to avoid here. Thanks and have a pleasant day.
No. 28361 Kontra
christian religion is a jewish offspring afaik. Christians killed and hated jews later on. Or is there some other secret bond? You mean kind was influenced by religious thoughts? Well many thinkers of that time still were or had to find a way to harmonize with religion in order to not get into trouble. But I suppose as people like him fear the global elite ruling caste getting dictatorial control over all of us he has a problem with Kants text about world peace and world government?

>how this explains the fanaticism akin to religious fervor we can observe in sectors of academia, which influences the current world to a great extent

That is exactly what? sjw liberal agenda, I guess?
Also equating fanaticism with religion fervor is a bad move and revealing. Religion can end up in fundamentalism yeah but it's not a necessaity. You can be fanatic about something without believing in god. Perhaps what you looking for is ideology, but then again there would be no need to trace "religious" content.

Also Hegel and Kant and whatever teleological thoughts their work contains is perhaps not even glimpsed at by sjw identity politics, but I guess there must be some secret to it that still makes it into the sjw agenda unconsciously? Many marxists critiqued the teleological thought, it's not even relevant anymore with postmodern leftists.

The thing here with "jews" is that it seems like they are reduced to the ugly race that is responsible for bearing the world domination and end game and fulfilling it. Typical pol content, so you can brush it off like all of these people, maybe that is not the case but looking at the titles of his other videos he is an believer in the endgame theory making up his own little narrative were whatever kind of freedom is on the opposite side.
No. 28364 Kontra
>shows how this also influenced other figures, like Kant, and how this explains the fanaticism akin to religious fervor we can observe in sectors of academia

How exactly explains Kants and Hegels interested or influence of religious mysticist todays fervor in academia (which did not specify either). I mean people read Kant and Hegel today, but how can you tell the influence thru and thru?

I am btw not a friend of teleology either, a true postmodernist in a certain way then.
No. 28739
Today I've read Philoctetes by Sophocles. It's great.
Strangely enough, it's one of his earlier pieces, yet it feels the freshest out of the three I've read.

It probably has to do with the fact that it's closer to a proper play than a morality play like Antigone or Oedipus Rex is.
The plot is also more streamlined compared to those two, that constantly look back on the past to piece together multiple events, while simultaneously calling on the future through divinations.
I think it shows how in a sense the Greeks are just like us, but a lot of the time they are on a whole different level because of their pre-christian existence.

The plot takes place after the Iliad, but before the Trojan horse, and it really helps flesh out the setting.

Maybe I just like it because it's more "manly" compared to the other two. It's so good, I read it in two sittings throughout the day.
Roughly seventy pages, and the ending is so touching, I almost tore up a bit.
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I read about 3/5 of J.F. Rosenbergs Philosophy Handbook for Beginners and skimmed the rest. It's written from the standpoint of an analytical philosophy yet it was quite nice as he is rather down to earth and playful with the topic. I was lazy and skipped most of the logic part and most philosophical techniques. The one field I really need to do my homework at, I mean you have some if it at hand naturally when reasoning for a certain amount of time already but I guess I'm far away from sensing and dissecting argumentative pitfalls well enough. It all takes time.
No. 28818 Kontra
pol tire
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I don't like this. Or at least most of it. The first few chapters with the ancients are really interesting, and the terzinas are pleasant to read, but by the midway point it devolves into political shitflinging about late-medieval Florence and Italy, and honestly, who gives a fuck about that?
It comes off as really petty on Dante's part to have all his enemies and people he disliked burn in Hell.

Most probably it's just me not getting his convoluted obscurantist message. It feels more like a fossil between medieval and "humanist" literature that was revolutionary back then, but feels a bit dated now.
No. 29159
>political shitflinging
Yeah, it made me drop the Divine Comedy when I tried to read it several years ago, and I don't really want to come back to it anymore. I got the impression that it's one of those "culturally significant" works that are only actually interesting for art history specialists or medieval philosophy and language researchers, and regular people only praise it because they want to sound intelligent, despite that they didn't enjoy it at all or maybe didn't even understand it. Same goes for another Italian classic, the Decameron, which is just a compilation of scabreux anecdotes, although I gotta admit that some of them are quite good, and the book as a whole isn't nearly as tiresome as the Divine Comedy.
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Has it ever occurred to you that you might genuinely be an idiot? Are you the same person both posting the gypsy shitpost spam as well as the claim about video games and art?
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Ah, interesting choices. I've read some Handke, weird postmodern introspective stuff.
No. 29436
A lot better than Bob Dylan for sure. But why do they give it to two people at once?
No. 29441
There was a me too- scandal last year, so it was canceled
No. 29447
Ah yes. I remember now.
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Handke was once “cancelled” for his criticism of the NATO campaign against Serbia
No. 29461
He was right though.
No. 29470
Maybe so, idk. I’m just observing it’s a public dispute he was part of apparently.
No. 29480
Rights to Olga Tokarczuk works are bought by the Bonnier group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_Group), a dominant swedish publishing firm, from a very small publishing firm. Three weeks later she wins the Nobel Prize. Really activavtes my almonds.

No. 29500
She was one of 2 most likely people to get it.
It was basically 70% sure already year ago.
No. 30102
my favorite book is 'How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the New' (which, as I discovered after I read it while on vacation in Peru, is really good). It is, along with 'How not to die' by Dan Dennett, probably my favorite book, and I've read a few other books that you might consider also being worth reading. This is one of my favorite books that I am interested in continuing to read.
No. 30256
save bump
No. 30437
I just found out that Goethe wrote a botany text. Kind of interested in reading this tbh:

The Metamorphosis of Plants, published in 1790, was Goethe's first major attempt to describe what he called in a letter to a friend “the truth about the how of the organism.” Inspired by the diversity of flora he found on a journey to Italy, Goethe sought a unity of form in diverse structures. He came to see in the leaf the germ of a plant's metamorphosis―“the true Proteus who can hide or reveal himself in all vegetal forms”―from the root and stem leaves to the calyx and corolla, to pistil and stamens. With this short book―123 numbered paragraphs, in the manner of the great botanist Linnaeus―Goethe aimed to tell the story of botanical forms in process, to present, in effect, a motion picture of the metamorphosis of plants. This MIT Press edition of The Metamorphosis of Plants illustrates Goethe's text (in an English translation by Douglas Miller) with a series of stunning and starkly beautiful color photographs as well as numerous line drawings. It is the most completely and colorfully illustrated edition of Goethe's book ever published. It demonstrates vividly Goethe's ideas of transformation and interdependence, as well as the systematic use of imagination in scientific research―which influenced thinkers ranging from Darwin to Thoreau and has much to teach us today about our relationship with nature.

No. 30487
Do you read one book at a time or does Ernst have multiple books on his bedside? I've read one book at a time since childhood, but now have begun to accept other books in the mix. I noticed how I was less and less willing to finish a boring book, but now that I take a break from it reading other lighter literature, I can stand the boredom.

Will start Where is Everyone: The Fermi Paradox by Stephen Webb tonight, after reading a chapter of that damn book I can't stand reading but want finish (Essays by Pentti Linkola).
No. 30493
I often have multiple books, usually it's two or three.
Interestingly with the pile of books getting bigger and bigger I started to stop reading books that are to boring. Sometimes a title and the description and reviews are enticing but when you read it it's either too much, boring or I don't understand it well enough, so I just skip it instead of pulling thru. I had books where I did not understand much yet I kept on reading tho. It's possible and depends on the book.
No. 30495
Reading canterbury tales. The introduction was kind of silly. Knights tale is pretty good. Some stories involve cuckery. :DD
No. 30496
I was pretty surprised at how quickly cuckoldry came up as a topic when I read the Arabian Nights for the first time. It seems to figure prominently in lots of world literature.
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>pic related
me after merely witnessing the forewords of the Critique of Pure Reason.

Also started (and already halfway through) reading Kokoro by Natsume Souseki. It's reeeally quite depressing and I picked the worst time to read it as well, as it's the start of the new semester (and the book offers some quite bleak perspectives on life after graduation). At least the clarity and earnestness of his style, albeit in translation, is a bit refreshing after reading Nabokov's Pale Fire which is absolutely packed with lavish vocabulary and puns.

Yeah, I feel quite similar about it. I even watched a few Yale lectures on YT but they didn't really clear up too much for me.

Always multiple, I try to do at least one fiction and one non-fiction book at the same time. I usually read different types of books on different occasions, e.g. a short story collection for reading on the train, a novel for longer free time slots, and something more challenging only for when I'm well rested.
No. 30508
> I usually read different types of books on different occasions, e.g. a short story collection for reading on the train, a novel for longer free time slots, and something more challenging only for when I'm well rested.

Are you me?

>kant foreword

A lecturer adviced reading at least that once. It's ok or already an abstract blast?

Currently I'm reading a book on the history of Idealism, got not very far and it's quite heavy tbh. It's dryer to me somehow. But I want the abstract cave as well, I need to know this kind of philosophy at least rudimentary. Once I did finish the history of Idealism, I will try to read Kants Kritiken and Hegels Phenomenology of Spirit, maybe before that I will read Platonic dialogues. Given that I want to read Deleuze as well and have another staple of books here and ordered three other the last days, it will take a year before I will have read it all, and I'm subtracting Kants Kritiken in this calculation. But that is fine.
No. 30509
my biggest problem is that I have to to a shitload of stuff for uni this semester, so I guess I will only finish the history book until Christmas which makes me a bit angry, wasting so much time on things I couldn't care less. Sure, the topics of seminars and the paper I have to write are not totally uninteresting, but they faint in comparison to my private studies.
No. 30527
>For women, speaking generally, are prone
To follow Fortune's favours, once they are known.

No. 30546
I am reading Xenophon's Cyrus Anabasis currently.

Additional information: He actually mentions the Kurds as people unbowed, brave and capable in martial arts, especially the guerrilla war.
No. 30561
perhaps slow boards are the future
No. 30701
I read Thomas Mann's essay on Wagner titled Leiden und Grösse Richard Wagners.
He paints a really good picture of Wagner's fears and goals, while drawing on primary sources. (Letters and lyrics)
Incredibly weird how Wagner basically laid out his complete programme in his artistic youth and basically just followed this path he choose. (He wrote that Parsifal would be his last project, 30 years before even composing it.)
It's an amazing little book.

Also read a short story today by Osamu Dazai, titled Villon's Wife. If I had to guess, he wrote it a bit before his magnum opus, No Longer Human, because it's more cheerful than that, though it still depicts poverty and mental suffering, but it focuses more on the female side of his usual themes. (As in, it follows the WIFE of a depressed drunkard liar instead of following the depressed liar drunkard.)
The last passages give an interesting contrast when you've read NLH.
It's just strange to see one of his characters proclaim "I'm a human. I wouldn't have wanted to do it if I weren't one."
I'd recommend reading it.

>I am reading Xenophon's Cyrus Anabasis currently.
What is it like to read ancient Greek writings as a speaker of the language that descended from the ancient Greek dialects?
No. 30871
Started reading Harold Bloom's (RIP) "The Western Canon". Each chapter is committed to discussing a "canonical" author, so far I've read the first two on Shakespeare and Dante.
It's quite repetitive and might've benefitted from some better editing but there definitely are some interesting bits of insight here and there. Also I'm afraid you have to have read the works referenced if you want to get the most out of it. Welp, I guess I'll have to read Chaucer now, or maybe I'll just skip that chapter.

Also tried reading Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard but that just made my brains boil. I can't fathom how I previously managed to read another book of his.

>Are you me?
Ernst minds think alike I guess.

>A lecturer adviced reading at least that once. It's ok or already an abstract blast?
It was nowhere near as bad as I expected even though there were plenty of passages I didn't really comprehend. The worst thing is just that his sentences are so freaking long (duh), though admittedly they tend to be logically well structured.

>Hegels Phenomenology of Spirit
After finishing it I'd rather recommend Kojève's book on Hegel. It was quite elucidating after all, despite some passages with metaphysical/ontological reasonings that I struggled to follow. The Suhrkamp edition also contains an essay titled "Hegel, Marx und das Christentum" which can probably be read as a sort of summary.
No. 30875
>Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard

It's an essay compilation afaik, looked into lately and I think the first essay is Precession of the Simulacra.

One main aspect is that you don't have an original anymore. Only models and pictures that reference on other models and pictures. He gives an example of some natives that become a model the moment ethnologists discover them and try to grasp them as natives, they construct a picture, a model and that's becomes reference to the real. They don't refer to the original but create something new. The simulation begins and the strategy of the simulation is to emulate the real, in order to hide the fact that there is no real anymore, it dissimulates as he calls it iirc.


Yeah, I wanted to do it like you did but maybe I will just try to deal with the original. It's hard to say which is better: reading primary text first and then secondary literature or vise versa.

I got Platos Dialogues, but it will take time until I read it.
No. 31223
Prompted by Harold Bloom's raving about Shakespeare I read King Lear a few days ago. It took me a while to get into the language but it was quite captivating once I cleared that initial hurdle.
I got quite triggered by a friend's comment who asked me why I'd read Shakespeare and saying that he only "read like 1/3 of Hamlet and found it totally trivial & unrelatable".
Anyways, I'm looking forward to watch the Soviet movie adaptation.

Today I started reading Beowulf in a modern English translation. I'm enjoying it so far though the translation seems a bit lacking in cadence.

>One main aspect is that you don't have an original anymore.
I think I understood that much :P, but it was really just a pain to read due to his inflammatory style. To me he just seems to throw sentences with a bunch of big words from time to time that don't really add anything substantial to the argument.
No. 31225
>I guess I'll have to read Chaucer now, or maybe I'll just skip that chapter.
You don't necessarily have to read all of the Canterbury tales. Just read a selection. It's not a coherent narrative anyway.
Still, it's a really good book, any you should definitely read at least some of it.
No. 31230
>To me he just seems to throw sentences with a bunch of big words from time to time that don't really add anything substantial to the argument.

He really does sci-fi kind of theory, so I don't understood everything as well, but he is making an argument, I can assure you at least. Also he is working with lots of examples that seem weird or taking analogies that refer on mathematical things or other STEM subjects. Afaik his simulation theory incorporates stuff from is older writings on the ethnological concept of exchange and signs etc. which is anchored in structuralism.
No. 31563
Aztecs: An Interpretation by Inga Clendinnen.

A very interesting anecdotal and philosophical examination of the Aztecs by an expert on them. It isn't trying to be restrained or scientific, so I can't be sure just how much of her analysis is correct (at least insofar as the evidence we have enables that), but it is very fascinating in terms of what is possible for a human society. Mesoamerica, and especially the Aztecs, seem very alien at first, but the author tries to understand how their culture might have looked and felt from the inside.

"Aztec" by Gary Jennings is a superb attempt to accomplish the same thing in fictional format. As literature I don't know if I'd rate it that highly, but it's an entertaining and gripping story, and as an exercise in exploring and understanding an alien culture as normative, I can't think of anything better.
No. 31565
>Most probably it's just me not getting his convoluted obscurantist message.
You should just trust your instincts. Not every work preserved as a classic is a truly timeless and transcendent work of art, at least to every person.

If you want good analysis of contemporary and historical chinese political thought, check out the blog The Scholar's Stage. The blog also has great literary and cultural analysis about America and the West as a whole, by someone who is extremely intelligent and well read in both the Chinese and Western canons.

He has a few posts specifically about Xi Jinping's political philosophy, and book recommendations for deeper reading.
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Not sure if this is on topic, but it’s extremely funny to me how self-styled entrepreneurs on social media treat reading as if it were a comparable activity to athletic training or something like that.
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I don't understand, in what way are new books cut and watered down? Whats the 'real' stuff supposed to be?

t. clueless
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As far as I can tell these people have a cargo cult type understanding of the relationship between entrepreneurial success and reading, probably because they heard at some point that guys like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos read a lot of books. So they tend to believe that reading a self-published 120 page pamphlet about network marketing or whatever bullshit once a week will “level up” their abilities. It’s part of their pathological desire to slot all of their activities into a framework of self-improvement.
No. 31629 Kontra
So by “watered down” he is likely referring to some imagined quantity within the book from which he intends to extract personal growth.
No. 31635
I think you finally gave me a proper formulation of the word "bugman", beyond just being an insult.
It's someone who drank the kool-aid of modernity to such a degree that he behaves like a corporate entity, and acts like his own manager. A guy who tries to be "smart", but not "smart" as in intelligent, but "smart" in the way that a corporate website blurb might use the word "smart". "Smart technologies", "Smart lifestyle", etc.
What a horrific existential nightmare it must be to be them.
No. 31636
>It's someone who drank the kool-aid of modernity to such a degree that he behaves like a corporate entity, and acts like his own manager.

Yes, I think that's correct. Well said.
No. 31637
He mentions nothing of the quality of what you're reading or the amount of thought you've given it. Turbobydlo attitude.
No. 31645
I think you're trying to ascribe an intellectual way of thinking about a term I have never heard used except by poltards, who are by far the most NPC-like creatures I've ever encountered, and operating on an insect like hivemind where they pride themselves on "not swallowing the koolaid" while being the worst group of koolaid drinkers I ever encountered so I find it pretty ironic to see that description in that context. But then again, I have no idea what the word is even supposed to mean to begin with and the best I could figure was it either referred to the Chinese or people living in the "hive cities" of urban sprawl.

You also don't need a separate term for them because that term already exists and already has existed for decades: they're called yuppies. American Psycho was on some level a critique of that type of person and their mindset.
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When I see the word bugman I think of Kamen Rider. I wasn't even aware it was a term used elsewhere :-DDD
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I like bugs. No one's called a bugman but I would take it as a compliment.
No. 31650
Going to call my entomology professor a bug man and see what he says.
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the managerial self is known as mode of being under neoliberal capitalism, a certain type of subject formation.

It's interesting to contemplate why it's smart and not clever or intelligent. Does it connote a coolness? A flawlessness that is bound to reveal it's mathematical skeleton, its model character that that limps behind the social complexity of human existence in society? Smartness is the coked up version of Silicon Valley confidence, Prozac euphoria.

Like, the people who wrote these books are actually the pure cocaine but you have to make do with the books which are watered down personality? Could also take it as an essence!

It's not wrong, perhaps the motivation is questionable but as the brit said, reading 30min of shit a day won't help much. Also one book a week? What is he/she reading? A book a week takes longer than 30min of reading a day, depending on content and quantity, but I guess the sparkling surface, the tone of a twitter has more effect than doing what he has given as advice.
Makes me wonder again how much this world is running on fiction tbh.
No. 31662
>Makes me wonder again how much this world is running on fiction tbh.

I will have to answer that with: Almost entirely.
This is after reading Kahnemans "Thinking - Fast and Slow", which is by any measure an seriously slow read about how certain information is systematically processed inaccurately by the brain. Well, the inaccuracies are systematic. And part of it has to do with the lazy and energy-efficient part of the brain that does the filtering/pre-processing highly favoring information that makes for a coherent narrative (in a very abstract sense of the word) regardless of accuracy. Information that "makes sense" to the dumbest part of your brain will form a majority of your beliefs and opinions and the more effortful part of your brain is often left with the information collected by the idiot blocking it's view. Now imagine everyone operates like that and you have a society living in story constructions every step of the way. Not only the obvious things like religion, but even minute details in every-day life.

It ties in with my knowledge of Baudrillards Simulacra as well as my own (mathematical) research of (artificial) neural networks. For the past two years I could not get rid of a feeling that there is no such thing as consciousness. The "self" may be an artifact of self-enforcing filters that process the world "as if". This fucking book has not helped at all in that regard, my feeling is entering the dangerous territory of becoming a theory.
No. 31666
I too wanted to allude to narratives with that statement: myths as sense maker. We need them for coherence.
There is my second hand knowledge on Claude Levi-Strauss (via Deleuze&Guattari + Derrida, Strauss wrote on the myth as function afaik) and his handymen thoughts. We are all handymen building in a practical manner. D&G use it as progressive omen in there machinic ontology, connecting streams, building and connecting machines a certain way, all propelled by desire

Maybe neorationalism is interesting for you, sadly I lack logical education and my math skills are unterirdisch, wish I could turn that around. Because the rise of computation and digital technology and what that implies for human beans is of high interest to me

No. 31698
That seems interesting indeed. And right until the last few sentences I felt strong agreement. I wasn't aware that people were already connecting Gödel and Turing with the past 20 years of research into neural networks on a philosophical layer. It's re-assuring that there seems to be more substance to it than a mere hunch of mine.
But then comes this part:

>We are non-terminating processes interacting with our environment and with one another, exploring the mathematical and empirical realms together, playing games of proof and refutation, and building systems and models that are beginning to encompass ourselves. We are beautiful. We are free. Computational self-consciousness will only enhance this, even if it changes our understanding of what it means.

I get the feeling that the author has a base assumption about progress that he never considered to challenge. Also the strong separation of "we" and "the environment", which I think needs to be proven as well as the assumption of a self-consciosness existing.

But thanks for the link, I'll keep an eye on this movement.
Regarding your mathematical understanding I can tell you that the only thing separating anyone from understanding mathematics intuitively is practice. Just like "not speaking french" will lead to you not developing an ability to understand the language.
No. 31704
>I get the feeling that the author has a base assumption about progress that he never considered to challenge

What do you mean by that?

>Also the strong separation of "we" and "the environment"

perhaps that has to do with system theories, which makes this separation?

It's all STEM and I'm not very known in it, but it interests me. The problem is that I need to have time for maths and complexity theory which is done in biology, physics and chemistry afaik. I haven't read too much into it, given that I understand few. Intelligence and Spirit by Reza Negarestani might be interesting for you tho

also here you could browse, might find something interesting
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right under the alphabet there is the tag registry
No. 31707
>What do you mean by that?

To me, he sounds optimistic that through this process new things (of whatever flavor) will come forth and present improvements to look forward to. Words like "beautiful" seem way too subjective.
No. 31725
Obviously written by a cross posting kohltard projecting his own experiences.
Nobody with with cynical would stop for a second to consider the experiences of their targets. It'd be like a banker empathizing with homeless people or something, does not compute.
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You're right, and that makes me worse than the Kohltard. Going to delete my previous post out of shame.
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LARPing is a fascinating new form of internet induced psychosis. I guess the constant anonymity degrades a person's sense of selfness and reality to such a degree that they start attempting to "create a narrative" by donning the identity of their perceived tormentors, which exist entirely within their minds. It starts off as humorous lampooning, but then evolves into a form of mental sado masochism, where they derive pleasure and empowerment from denigrating an effigy of themselves while in the mantle of their dominator. Spamming interracial porn while pretending to be black is another form of this phenomenon.
I don't know if this is some kind of psychological cope, but you will notice that almost the entirety of western meme culture has degraded into roleplay and displays of psychotic behavior behind the mask of the "enemy". Attaching wojak caricatures of the intended target of ridicule while posting nonsense. Perhaps it is a way for them to gain relief from expressing their own psychosis from behind the safety of the mask, that they can then abandon as an anonymous post, and continue being "themselves" after the fact. And on some deep level they do believe that those posts are not "really them", because "they really do act that way", and nobody knows it was really them. Except for themselves, of course.
I wonder if they realize that they are insane.

It's amazing how one's sense of reality depends on the existence of a "narrative", or cultural acknowledgment. Anything that is not codified in a narrative isn't "real", even actions they performed themselves.
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>I don't know if this is some kind of psychological cope, but you will notice that almost the entirety of western meme culture has degraded into roleplay and displays of psychotic behavior behind the mask of the "enemy".
I don't know if you can judge all of western meme culture through wojack posting.
I catch glimpses of "mainstream memes" and they're still terrible albeit for different reasons. They embody another set of problems (a chimera of self-pity and ego-stroking, the complete mangling of irony, social credit/upboats). They still strawman but not as uniformly and aggresively(honestly I can't think of a widespread "strawman face" that's not from some imageboard).
If we're assuming that anonymity is the reason people lose their minds, then we really can't judge all of "western meme culture" through the lens of imageboard dwellers, considering how huge social media is. I don't have hard numbers but if the rest of the internet was Earth, 4chan would be a small city with other imageboards being either villages or nomadic gangs.
I think part of it is just intellectual laziness. It's really easy to regurgitate someone else's opinion as a caricature without any hinting any concrete reason as to why it's wrong or ridiculous or just who exactly would say that. It's arguably worse than regular strawmaning since that involves putting some thought into what you're trying to defend.
No. 31738
Well, tbh, by western meme culture I meant specifically western imageboards. I categorize put imageboards in four broad categories, western, post soivet, eastern, and local.

And I don't really consider whatever is circulating on social media these days as memes. They're image macros and reaction images at best. It's gotten to the point where any bit of viral internet content is labeled a "meme" for some reason.
No. 31741
The mainstream meme culture is still just using templates to take jabs at current events or creating "relatable humour".
At least so it seems from looking at the pewdiepie subreddit.

But instead of using image macros like it's 2010, they just use screenshots from movies and cartoons and overlay them with text as to what the given character in a given situation represents. Sort of like your typical American political cartoon.

Another common type is simply just taking a random image recently gone viral, and adding a canned reaction image to it, usually a subtitled screenshot of some movie or cartoon. Sometimes a videogame.
Usually this commentary is just repeating what the original image shows us.
Like [Epic roast] with an added skyrim level cap stating "Destruction 100".

The main reason this is worrying is because it basically destroys the ability of these people to form their own opinions and genuine responses. Giving your opinion becomes completely robotic. Canned responses from the "latest on TV and cinema".
I'd say this is because the increased penetration of the media into our private lives.
We watch and listen to things nearly always. And we can respond to this stimuli constantly. But it's so much, that we have to resort to responding using pre-made "opinions" and reactions, lest we suppress the instinct of sharing our "valuable" insights with the other 3 billion morons thinking in the same set of catchphrases. Surely everyone would miss it, and we'd miss out.
Everything becomes a meme. Your sexlife, your political views. Everything becomes a joke on SNL, as we base our perception on the imitation of the real, twisting the real until only this forcefully imitated imitation of the imitation remains.

Look at extremists. Those have a set of values, concrete opinions and goals. (Be it "I want to kill all jews" or "I want to hand the rich".)
The average centrist has the imitation of goals. The most shallow, meaningless catchphrases that amount to "Less nothing, more everything!" and "Everything should become more gooder soon, and the sooner the better".

And the media knows this, and plays on this, while it also actively assimilates everything that's actually against the status quo.
"They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. (Lenin: The State and Revolution)

American politics and culture is the logical conclusion of global mass media, where once local culture and connection to the community is removed, the only thing that remains to express identity is commodity, since "action" has been rendered "fruitless" through laws and the manipulation of public opinion. (As in: Everyone who hold serious views is lunatic and sectarian, be it an orthodox communist, a neo-nazi, or a traditional catholic.)
So the only way to express your views is through consuming the right product and talking about its superiority to bad product. (Importantly, boycotting bad products never comes up, and is played down by capital)
Are you a liberal? Watch this Netflix movie, and read this YA book about an empowered xirlatina. Are you a rightwinger? Go watch Joker! Don't forget to by read the lates pamphlet by Lauren Southern or some other third rate schmuck! That'll show the "enemy"!
Donate to the Churches! Donate to Planned Parenthood! That'll show the enemy!

There is nothing romantic, nothing moving about it. It's a series of canned and meaningless responses endlessly perpetuating the status quo, allowing the culture industry's reign of terror to continue until everyone from Anchorage to Brisbane is listening to Queen, watching the latest capeshit flick, wearing the same designer clothes and playing the same games on their phones while conversing about ultimately meaningless political dilemmas decided by lobbyists and bankers in D.C., London, Moscow, Tokyo and Beijing.

So what I'm trying to say is that memes on reddit are usually shit and you shouldn't read them because it's brainrot in digital form. Same goes for 4chan.
Really, you should just get rid of your internet service. Call your provider and break the contract.
[spoilers]But I digress.
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>And I don't really consider whatever is circulating on social media these days as memes. They're image macros and reaction images at best. It's gotten to the point where any bit of viral internet content is labeled a "meme" for some reason.
That's what a meme is basically, a propagated idea, even if the idea is canned and repetitive like >>31741 said. Mainstream memes are like a successful lifeform that has spread its genes all over the planet (like rats or flies) Memes truly exclusive to imageboards (shit beyond just frogs) are like an endangered species, being kept alive in a special environment by a handful of interested parties. They're so exclusive that, in a way, they're less than proper memes, less than fit in a larger world. We might like some of them more, but they're the dreams of outsiders.
>Are you a rightwinger? Go watch Joker! Don't forget to by read the lates pamphlet by Lauren Southern or some other third rate schmuck! That'll show the "enemy"!
Honestly I have no idea how anyone walking out of Joker can think it's a "rightwinger"'s movie. Though I guess the controversy behind it is still indicative of how something that aims for some ambiguity still ends up thrown into the sorting bin of extremism because that's convenient. It's the easiest way for the overlords to sort the population, which is also the easiest way the mind surrenders.
No. 31753
rationalism and enlightenment go hand in hand, I guess here in neo rationalism you have a similar same expectation tho I think it does not terminate in a telos. Instead we have open-ended processes that imply a difference to now, a potential. Ofc you could argue that computation will or even already is opening an antihumanist pandoras box, reducing us to numbers. But I don't think that is what they are up to. They want something different, they want to explore unknown territory, new potentials. On the other hand Negarestanis Labour of the Inhumane seeks to de-essentialize the human, which is uncanny perhaps but I'm up to going down that path and look where it can lead to.
What if we were consider us still human in the (some) future but we differ from what we are now, or consider us to be different. In what way is that a problem, why is it a bad thing to do this? It's a question I come back to again and again, if humans are not what they are now in some future, why is that necessarily a bad thing? A thought prevails: You cannot go beyond the humane as human, but what if that is not essential but a molding task, just like narratives, it's a potentially endless process.
No. 31755
I just went off on the lead that it’s considered the “incel mass shooter movie” by the media because of those ironic “we live in a society” memes that were popular a year ago.
Arguably, it turned out to be less of a meme than everyone expected. Besides a few canned reaction images and templates, nothing has come out of it. Haven’t even seen it mentioned on 4chan on purpose, even though /lit/ is usually full with dumb faggot memesterd from /tv/ asking about the “book equivalent” of something.
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Finished this one yesterday. A rather small, you can read it in a day, book about the rather basics of Ancient Mesopotamia. Surely worthed it for me that i had no clue about the subject before.

Tomorrow i am gonna receive the second part of Xenophon's Anabasis and hopefully finish it this week.
No. 31789

I have read TINA a few months before. Quite depressing but on the other hand i feel like we are in for some serious changes soon.

>the managerial self is known as mode of being under neoliberal capitalism, a certain type of subject formation.

Nice! God damn why am i stuck in KC while there is EC.
No. 31790
Well, that is pretty much what a Buddhist would conclude also, however I would go further to say that there is such a concept as an authentic or native self, and that by the very nature of modern Capitalist/Consumerist developed technological societies, that the concept becomes more remote and elusive--not because such a concept itself is a fable but rather because our society prevents formation of a coherent and genuine self. This also is because moving around a lot and having multiple different masks for each social environment you are in is a pretty alien concept to normal mode of being as a human.

I think what often gets overlooked is the fact modern humans aren't much different as a species than we were roughly 50,000 years ago and that almost all we know and operate on is post industrial revolutionary society which itself is a very distinct and arguably pathological aberration.

I think that part of the thing people like Marx probably didn't get was that the whole problem is not solved by Socialism or Capitalism but that rather the ordering of societies themselves is pathological and aberrant and directly the result of two very distinct and very recent technological revolutions, both of which centrally freed up energy: the agricultural and the industrial revolutions. It was the agricultural revolution that transformed us from our basic natural tribal groups and into these really weird cross referencing social lattices that would eventually form the basis of empires and later the nation state, which itself is built from the overlapping lattices of the city states and their various trade networks.

None of these things would be possible without agriculture, and the formation of the human city itself is probably directly responsible for the beginning of the fragmentation of the authentic and unified whole human self. To have multiple different human groups you are part of with no overlap--school, work, sports teams, hobbies, family, church etc--is at once completely and utterly abnormal and alien to the human experience while also being typified as the life of the average human today in any developed country. At its worst, every person is isolated and atomized, being no more than a cog in the machine, with cultural ideas about reality being merely personal extrapolations of their own utterly aimless, ill defined, and nebulous existences, as opposed to say pantheons of gods or a single unified monotheism. I think some people make the mistake of claiming the truth of now to be the one whole truth, without realizing that trying to apply it elsewhere may not work or works poorly, and that people like Sartre are merely the product of modern existence with their philosophy mainly being applicable to that time and place, rather than truly extrapolated upon the whole of human reality.
No. 31845
The purpose of ideology to is to convert the experience of reality into token representations. Such tokens can them be shared, discussed, and "related" to. More importantly, they can be commodified and sold. Like putting a logo on a T-shirt, to represent something, without being it. I think the experienced of FOMO, derealization and nihilism in modernity can be traced back to living in a tokenized reality. The Ideology (tm) promises the individual a chance at relevance and immortality.
Immortality as in a chance to persist beyond his immediate existence and become a footnote in the Ideology's local thread of history. To be fossilized, and perhaps discovered and remembered from beyond his lifespan. The price one pays is to be tokenized himself. Just as fossils are merely hollow shells that once contained the real living being, so is the encoded image of the individual within the thread of history a collection of symbols, icons and ideas that the individual assembles around himself, and presents as "himself". And as long as the Ideology lives so does the promise of being acknowledged as having existed, as being real.
Relevance, in that this process of embossing the image of oneself upon history has to take place during the individual's life, and constantly reaffirmed. For if an individual fails or refuses to define himself in the language of Ideology, he will not be acknowledged by the Ideology, for the Ideology will have no Word to name him by. And thus he will face oblivion and effective non-existece during his own life. So the less one participates in ideology, the less "real" one feels, leading to existential anxiety, like detachment and nihilism as previously mentioned. After all, if an experience, or idea, or a person, or thing has not been incorporated into the mythos of the Ideology, then from the perspective of those who live within, it does not exist.
Funnily enough, I think maybe the exact opposite is true: I can imagine a hermit living somewhere in the mountains, outside the grasp of global culture, to be having authentic, real human experiences every single day, in the context of his own life. The experiences of his life have genuine meaning TO HIM, and they do not have to be acknowledged, or approved of, or deemed "relevant" by an outside arbiter of history. Whereas an urbanite cockroach spends his whole life chasing mirages, living life through the condom of codified and tokenized representations of experiences. That is what I imagine people communicating through the veil of Ideology (perhaps in a corporate setting) to be like: two dicks in condoms rubbing together, never touching.

You know what, Ideology reminds me a lot of God: a promise of Transcendence through community. The difference, perhaps, is that the God of Abraham does not want you to masturbate, but will not follow you into the privacy of your own room to judge you, unless you let Him in, by carrying Him within your mind. Then you can go back to the Community and pretend that nothing happened. That is an idea called Machiavellianism. The God of Modernity, on the other hand, would very much like you to masturbate, as long as you record it and post it on social media. It is a way to Transcend as valid as any other.
But my mind wanders.
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I nearly finished Cookie Muellers Walking through Clear Water in a Pool Painted Black
It consists of a handful of short stories which are based on actual events in Cookie Muellers life I guess. They take place between the 1960s and 1980s. Mueller was part of the New York counter culture circles and the postwar counter culture in general she was also an actress in John Water movies. One story features Haight Ashbury in San Francisco, generally drugs play a role in the stories, tramping, a rape, parties, sailing adventures a trip to Sicily where even nine year old on Piaggos make horny remarks etc. The language is straight, with dialects and slang. Mueller looks back in these stories with a charming serenity and I also often had to smile or even laugh while reading. It's also quite short with just a 150p.
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>The Algebraist

It would be safe to assume that I'd love science fiction literature but it always seems so silly to me. The world building is pretty good in this, it even seems somewhat plausible and I enjoyed discovering more about Dweller society but, fuck me Banks can't write characters for shit. Stilted and formulaic sex scenes coupled with a comical villain who takes his slave girl up the arse in one scene with no taste. It's like reading something written by a disturbed teenager who googles 'boobs' on the family computer.

This is something that struck me because I've just read the chapter in Zeno's Conscience in his plan to get ciggies by suggesting to a lass that she will get a good seeing to if she gives him some. The whole thing contains layers of subterfuge and filth that is much more grounded.

>The End Is Always Near

I don't know what I was expecting. Dan Carlin does a pretty good history podcast but this just meanders all over the place with no real point. There is an argument (he distances himself from) around hard times making hard people; containing the question of whether America today could defeat America of the 1940s if all else was the same. It's pretty dumb if you think about it even from just the context of black Americans.

Maybe it is just me that this falls flat on because its an idea I've found ridiculous in a society that has never been pushed.
No. 32573
I suggest avoiding hard SF. It attracts authors who care more about autistically crafted future societies than any other aspect of writing, but their futures are almost always less realistic than the typical video game fantasy universe.

The level of contrivance required to establish a distant future where normal human stories can take place is greater than the level of contrivance required to have wizards and dragons. I can plausibly imagine an alternate universe where magic exists, and where people take advantage of the different laws of reality to throw fireballs around. I cannot plausibly imagine that our own world will be remotely recognizable 500 years from now. Either we kill ourselves off, or we develop some sort of friendly superintelligence that will still make the world unrecognizable.

Or, we have a partial apocalypse and go Mad Max/Fist of the North Star. But hard SF rarely concerns itself with those scenarios.

Soft sf can be more interesting. When you aren't concerned about constructing autistic space colonies that would actually work in real life, you can focus on using the conventions of SF to explore interesting ideas and emotions that are hard to touch upon in conventional fiction. Philip K Dick is a good example.

You can also have more fun. Jack Vance is essentially the prose equivalent of a great adventure anime.
No. 32638
Dan is very good with podcasts. I saw that he created this book, and i liked the title so i thought about buying it but i guess i wont.
No. 33512
Phew it's been over a month and I'm still stuck with the same book. But now the essays are getting interesting, instead of endless bitching about chopping down forests for the pulp industry, he writes about antinatalism and overpopulation that are topics made me actually borrow the damn book. Also finally got around to starting Better Never to Have Been by D.Benatar, about how it's wrong to breed.
No. 33544

Is your IQ like 70 or something? I can't imagine not being able to read a book in less than a week or so.
No. 33562
I used to read a lot of sf all my life, until about 3 years ago when I hit 30.

I havent read a new book in 2 years. I dont think I read one this year. Ageing sucks.
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Don't know if it fits the theme of the thread, but I'm working through Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata and it is going painfully slow. I thought the cases will be fine since I speak Russian natively and they mostly work in a similar manner in Latin but I get confused quite often.

I have to reread the same chapters after a few days lest I forget some important stuff, oftentimes more than once. Maybe I'm just not cut out to learn languages, I started learning English in 2009 - when I had a lot of free time, was clinically depressed and refusing medication - by just binge watching one tv show after another and shitposting on krautchan. Don't think it's gonna work with Latin.
No. 33586
I only read this book 30 minutes at a time when I bother. Also have finished 2 other books last month.
No. 34175
I've finally finished a somewhat obscure novel called Krabat oder die Verwandlung der Welt by Jurij Brezan. It's very loosely based on a Sorbian folk mythology character (which is known in Germany as a character of a more popular youth novel adaptation of the material by Ottfried Preußler). If memory doesn't fail me I actually got the recommendation a long time ago on KC and this was my third attempt at reading it, the first time I dropped it because my edition was lacking some 10-20 pages or so after about 1/5 in or so, second time I dropped it because at some point it gets extremely confusing, but this time I endured even though I didn't fully grasp many scenes. It starts out with some witty creation myths that introduce the main archetypes of Krabat - the "rightful" man, his wife Smjala - "the girl Pure Joy", Miller Kuschk - Krabat's more simple-minded friend, and Wolf Reissenberg - the self-righteous exploiting antagonist.
But after this introduction there are layers and layers of different time- and storylines with a plethora of characters, and often the setting changes from one paragraph to the next which is really confusing at times. The main plotline though is about a geneticist who discovers the "formula of life" and is subsequently abducted by elites who try to coerce him into using his discovery to make all people into content drones.
At times there's a bit too much pathos and somewhat undifferentiated anti-capitalist rants but I greatly enjoyed the more surreal parts and the sheer complexity of the novel. It's definitely one I might attempt rereading at some point.

Also I read The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa, the last Prince of Lampedusa. Also really liked this one, it's a story centered around the head of an aristocratic family in the Italy of 1860s during the unification of Italy (Risorgimento). Gives great insight into this historic period of regime change and combines some great characterization of various social strata with at times really beautiful poetic language without overdoing it.

Right now I'm reading an introduction to Luhmann's theory of social systems, though I can't say I've gathered any new insights so far. It just seems like a pretty well thought out framework with which you can basically describe just about anything that is somewhat related to a "social" level of analysis but I'm not sure how that's useful beyond theory.

There's some Essays by Kobo Abe about the relationship between sci-fi and "literature", it's kind of related: https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/88/abe.htm
I also ended up reading his Inter Ice Age 4, it was quite thrilling but the writing style was a bit odd.

Not sure trying to read a language with just a text book is a good way, you probably want to incorporate some spaced repetition learning/ANKI technique as well. At least that's what I'd do if I ever pick up Japanese again.
No. 34186
>Right now I'm reading an introduction to Luhmann's theory of social systems, though I can't say I've gathered any new insights so far. It just seems like a pretty well thought out framework with which you can basically describe just about anything that is somewhat related to a "social" level of analysis but I'm not sure how that's useful beyond theory.

Look at Dirk Becker (ed): Schlüsselwerke der Systemtherie and Peter Fuchs Luhmann - beobachtet, you find them both on libgen.

Fuchs seems great, I read the first 30 pages only tho, but it was very understandable, I read Vertrauen once, it has all the basics like money and power as medium between systems etc. + it's short, around 130p I think.

Luhmann comes from cybernetics which had the same universal approach and super important for Luhmann is George Spencer Brown and the logic of decision, laws of form. Luhmann is nothing more than explaining how society works, no politics whatsoever. I'm interested in it but it lacks something, deconstruction would go on a rampage against it: http://www.passagen.at/cms/index.php?id=62&isbn=9783709203866&L=0

Dirk Beckers edit about key texts is interesting because these fields had a great impact on postwar society and history, we still move within such concepts and fields today somehow. My knowledge is minor, I have to admit tho.

Anyway I don't really know much about it and I always wondered how all systems seem independent from another as yet there seem to be short influence. And really it is debatable if systems work only after a single binary. Perhaps they are guided by something else.
No. 34189 Kontra
I actually finished the book I was reading just now, it's called Niklas Luhmanns Theorie sozialer Systeme by Kneer/Nassehi. I think have a pretty good grasp on what it is about by now, that it stems from cybernetics/biology etc., but I have some fundamental qualms with it.
To put it shortly, Luhmann seems to claim that his theory is free of normative judgements but of course it really isn't. Particularly insidious I find the usage of examples with implicit normative/moral claims that then can't be attriuted to the theory itself. Also whenever he has some "suggestion" to imprive some aspect of society it seems to be utterly milquetoast or tautological stuff that just showcases how the theory is mainly just useful for descriptive purposes and propagation of further theory.
Then it's also quite ridiculous for a theory that is built around 2nd order observations to fail to properly apply these 2nd order observations to itself. At least this is not touched upon enough in the introduction I read, knowing Luhmann's volume of output he probably wrote a book, if not a couple, on that topic.
It seems that the book you linked to attempts to do something along both of those critiques, but I think they are ultimately not resolvable, it will just replace implicit normative judgements with others and add another layer of observation, and this can be repeated ad infinitum.
I guess there's something interesting there & thanks for the recommendations but I think I've had enough of Luhmann/system theory for now. I don't really see the point in engaging with a ridiculous amount of works just to be able to understand and speak a language that seems to me only marginally more useful thatn natural language.

Alright, enough with the rambling, but I just had to get it out now after finishing it. Have a good night everyone!
No. 34197
I think this is neat and surprisingly burgerish
Apparently some people devised an actual system for categorizing folktales. I did not know about this. I didn't even occur to me that you would need to systematize such information but it is oddly satisfying to know that someone did.
No. 34320
>Jurij Brezan
Damn I didn't think I would read this name again in close future. Actually read his short story "Krauzezy" about a sorbian family and its struggles in the GDR in an old ass anthology of GDR-authors I found in of that public used book containers.
I was quite impressed actually, eben though or especially because I didn't grasp everything. Still the prose was very unique. I think before reading his Krabat-adaption I would read his german translation of the original story though. Maybe that's what you should do before you read it again.

Also I remember how long I didn't post here as most of my readings are for means of publication these days so I write enough about them elsewhere.
But anyways there are a couple of books I'm reading at the moment, one of them being a history book about the old pommeranian city of Kolberg. Even though I thought it would be quite dry as it's really just a 70-page chronicle it's a really interesting and fulfilling read. It's fascinating to see the developments of hundred of years compressed to a few pages. Reminds me of how small and unimportant my own existance is, a solace.
Another book lying around are the collected operas of Richard Wagner which I would recommend to anyone, only then you realize his true genius.
Also I'm reading some philosophy, a compilation of passages by Ludwig Klages but it's insanely hard and incomprehensible but beautiful. Not really a surprise thinking that he was an early companion of Stefan George.
No. 34715
Really enjoyed this Japanese detective novel with the atrociously translated title "Inspector Imanishi Investigates" by Seicho Matsumoto. The original title afaik can be literally translated as Castle of Sand, and though I'm not sure how that relates to the story at all, iw would've still been better than this horrible triple alliteration.
It really was a page turner, and gave some very interesting insights into various spheres of post-war Japanese culture from intellectual circles to the poor countryside. Most of the action takes place in various districts of Tokyo, but the protagonist, a middle-aged detective, also takes lots of trips to other places to investigate. I've really enjoyed the very realist approach to characterization, i.e. most of the characters are quite normal people with petty problems and joys.

Now I've started reading some texts by René Girard about his mimetic theory. Some interesting insights so far but his writing is a bit repetitive at times.

Also can recommend this blogpost about Henry Darger, the infamous outsider artist and author of a 15000+ page fictional work:

>I think before reading his Krabat-adaption I would read his german translation of the original story though. Maybe that's what you should do before you read it again.
Yep that's a great idea. It's quite short too IIRC so maybe I'll even read it this year to meet my reading challenge, still have 12 book to go.
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I think this was a pot shot at Houellebecq. Made me smirk, anyway
No. 34754
Why do people get so asshurt over Houellebecq's writings and opinions?
No. 34755
Having never read him I can’t speculate.
No. 34763 Kontra

I doubt that she is really butthurt about him. Since he is not 34 years old but way older and political incorrect, hence the butthirt. I'd say it's just a twitter pun targeting "american girls" and their supposed illusions about a cultured europe and is the same frame nails french culture as politically incorrect. The later is probably not even well researched. I read his book on Islam taking over as state religion or whatever it was exactly but the protagonist likes the patriarchy that comes with it. So it was not without discussions but nowhere was written that arabs are subhumans. It's also not implicated in his description of arabs in that book.
No. 34902
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Is there an autismo who could recommend which warhammet 40k books to avoid and chase after?

Lately I've been rereading Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra. Excellent booger that really picks the mind and it goes well with Spinoza's Ethics.
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Last week I finished reading this excellent novel from 1913 by Hungarian writer Mihály Babits.
It tells the story of a gifted, well to do young man who lives two lives. Whenever the protagonist, Elemér Tábory goes to sleep, he wakes up in the body of a carpenter's apprentice. And when that day is over too, and the apprentice goes to bed, then Elemér wakes up and goes about his day as a gifted schoolboy.
The novel tells how he tries to cope with and rationalise how he has reverse schizophrenia, that his soul has two bodies.
He feels that this other life of his casts a shadow on the idyll that he is supposed to enjoy. That it somehow destroys his innocence.
Meanwhile, his other self feels that this rich, gifted and educated life he has is giving him unreasonable goals that he'll never be able to reach.

The contrast is great, and it's a really interesting read and I'd recommend it. (It's also extremely short, clocking in at around 130-140 pages if that's any help)
It was published both in English (Titled:The Nightmare/King's Stork) and German (Der Storchkalif) translations.
The German title is a literal translation of the Hungarian, which is a play on a short fairy tale written by Wilhelm Hauff in 1825 titled Die Geschichte von Kalif Storch.