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No. 25325
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Old one yellowed and crumbled under the sun.

So Ernst, share your reading adventures with us once again.
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No. 25339
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>the spirits' book
great read, whether you take it as a philosophical standpoint or literal truth I really enjoyed it. It's basically 1019 questions put to spirits about the nature of the material world and the spirit world by mediums in the 1860s, France.

>one second after
EMP hits 'murca and it follows the story of a town's attempt to survive after all the electricity shuts off and the cars stop working. It's super American, can't go a few pages without someone bursting into the national anthem, seeing a flag waving or saluting a corpse and thanking them for their service which is all fairly alien to me. It wasn't great but an interesting cautionary tale

>the last panther
gonna read this next
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No. 25345
>>25339
>the last panther
Isn't that just a work of fiction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Cjo_Ft28U
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No. 25347
>>25345
As I said, I haven't read it yet but my buddy who recommended it to me told me to read it with a grain of salt, and that I'd know when I came to certain parts that they weren't true. So he seemed fairly convinced it was fiction (but he neglected to tell me that until I bought it)
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No. 25348
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>>25345
Heh, from Lindy's review it seems that the book is one of those naziboo fantasies, albeit somewhat disguised as "memoirs". I bet both historical and literary value of the work approaches zero.
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No. 25351
>>25348
>Comrade Führer
>Comrade Hitler
These always make me laugh like an idiot. Do you have the one where they send back a special forces guy in time to be a molecule in Hitler's brain?
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No. 25356
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>>25351
>Do you have the one where they send back a special forces guy in time to be a molecule in Hitler's brain?
Nah. The author made a fuckton of this waste paper apparently, and it seems that he's not the only one making it, so it's hard to navigate this sea of shit.
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No. 25357
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>>25356
>Third cover
>Soviet tank crew shooting a civil war redguard

Also
>Anti-Mir
Is the imprint really called "anti-peace"? Top lel if true.
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No. 25359
>>25357
>anti-peace
No, it's more like "anti-worlds". Possibly in the meaning that the worlds in those books are an antithesis of ours because of the alternative history or something.
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No. 25361
Man, doing that cover art must be simultaneously depressing and hilarious.
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No. 25387
I think I am going to go to a book store chain and buy a dumb and fun fantasy or scifi novel.
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No. 25393
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>>25387
I'm not a big fan of genre fiction, but if you want something ever so slightly more sophisticated (mostly just in terms of somewhat ornate language and some philosophical musings) I'd recommend the Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe. I'm halfway through the 4th (and last) volume now, and I gotta say it's been great so far.
The first volume starts out a bit slow but he really manages to create a "deep" and immersive world and often references previous events to explain them in a new light which gives way to some interesting twists. Not to mention that it starts out seemingly in a fantasy setting of swords and magic but then the sci-fi elements start coming in. It's been a while since I had so much actual fun reading.
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No. 25404
what is the point of this board? it's slow and dead
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No. 25405 Kontra
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>>25404
What is the point of Igor posting? It's slow and dead inside.

This is a place for serious discussions, Igor. Shitposting, mindless attention whoring, and pedos are banned here. This is the opposite of that hellhole and possibly fed honeypot that shall not be named.

Like seriously did you actually come here to a literature thread just to ask what the point of the thread was that's discussing literature?
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No. 25408 Kontra
>>25404
By separating shitposting and ernstposting into different imageboards, we have concentrated different aspects of imageboard culture.
When I post on Ernstchan I serious post, and when I post on Kohlchan I shitpost (at least on the /int/ board).
With one imageboard (Krautchan) the culture was pulled into different directions as it started aging, and it will tend to lean towards one or the other (thereby diluting the alternative).
Ernstchan is the yang to Kohlchan's yin, and I would not have it any other way.
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No. 25409 Kontra
>>25408
Although, EC used to be less serious than it is now (there was more humour and more fun allowed).
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No. 25410
>>25409
I don't think that good jokes or classy shitposting is disallowed here. :3
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No. 25411 Kontra
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>>25409
It isn't so much that fun isn't allowed as we are vigilant about cabbageposting due to the fact that kind of crap led to KC2017 and them killing our homeland. Good jokes are welcome, as long as they are actually good and not moronic shitposts. I greatly fear the day k*hl becomes such a worse cesspool than I heard it is now and collapses at which point we're going to get flooded with shit. I sincerely hope they all go elsewhere like end or space or yli or wherever instead of here.

I have not seen one single tranny dick in over a year. There is zero pedo presence. I haven't seen /r9k/pol/ tier shitposts for the most part and barely any frogposting, which I hate because it's like finding flee eggs on your dog. If you don't deal with it now there'll be more later and eventually all serious discussions then all discussions at all stop and it becomes nothing but shitposts.
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No. 25414 Kontra
>>25411
While I agree with absolutely everything you've said about kohl, pedos, frogs and tranny dicks - I've never seen any light hearted banter on EC, as imageboards go it's a fairly no-fun-allowed kinda place (or at least old EC was, I got banned from that place so many times for not participating in the circlejerk)
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No. 25419 Kontra
>>25414
You got banned for being an annoying faggot. In the beginning it was continuing to spam porn after being told to knock it off, then it was just occasionally coming in for the sole purpose of bitching and moaning, contributing nothing.
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No. 25426
So I looked at Nordic mythology for a bit today. It's insanely fun.
>So the world just sort of exist
>There are two chasms at the side
>Cold in the north
>Fire in the south
>In the middle lays a giant mountain ridge
>The cold winds meet in the middle with the hot winds
>The resulting drops of water give birth to Ymir the giant
>And a cow for some reason
>Ymir sweats in his dream and his drops of sweat become his children
>They are fed by the cows milk
>The cow licks a salty stone for nutrition
>He licks out Buri from the stone
>Buri gives birth to Bur
>Bur marries a female giant and gives birth to the first AEsir-gods
>These Gods proceed to start a war against the giants
>They murder Ymir
>They drown all of Ymir's children in his blood
>Use Ymir's flesh, bones and blood to create the world
And this wasn't even a primary source, but it still was really enjoyable for some reason.
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No. 25427
>>25419
dont know about him but he is right. I sincerely hope neither endchan/kc and this place wont swarmed by kohl posters. it happened once I've seen it it was shit. I also remember getting banned for no reason. nothing even slighly indicated I should be banned.
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No. 25434
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>>25419
>every Irishball on every imageboard is the same person
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No. 25435
>>25393
Yeah I love Gene Wolfe but I’m looking for something dumber right now.
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No. 25436
I struggle to give my full focus to books. When I do, it's usually collections of short stories like HP Lovecraft and Poe.
I enjoy learning and collecting ideas, but my attention span has been strained.
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No. 25437
>>25436
You could read longer books going chapter by chapter, I sometimes even make several small breaks while reading a chapter or with longer articles, depending on how relevant it is and my motivation. And I'm reading around 300p-500p/week.
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No. 25439
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>>25436
H.G. Wells has a short story omnibus that is pretty good. I'm surprised it has been censored yet since it's so non politically correct. Wonder when they'll start doing that, censoring old books. A few oldies I've picked up in the last few years has disclaimers in the introduction about them being raciss n' sheit
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No. 25602
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An article on the concept of feedback in cybernetics with a focus on Kurt Lewin, a psychologist that worked at the MIT. It's cultural history and thus traces Lewins work concerning group psychology and behavior which is still noticeable in the evalutation complex of today. Anybody who has visited workshops or works in bigger companies (maybe even in small dunno) knows about evaluation and constant forth and back between evaluation, action and new evaluation, 'Feedback'.
Tbh social engineering is pretty spooky or broader: psycho culture or psycho boom of the 60s, just like before and after and the entanglement of post war cybernetics, the information revolution and counter culture /calfornia up to the present is a very interesting strand of history as it seems to be the humus for the modes of techno formatted communication we encounter today.
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No. 25614
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Continued reading The Governance of China. Honestly, so far my biggest problem with the volume is that it's basically a collection of eloquent speeches that say absolutely nothing or barely anything.
Nothing is concrete in it.
>We will turn China into a socialist cultural-power!
>Our goal should be the establishment of an austere welfare state
Okay, how? Elaborate on it, please. What action is to be taken and by who?

I mean, it's not nonsense like old soviet socialist-realist theory for example, it's just shallow, and the shallowness is killing my interest.
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No. 25618
>>25614
You just found out how it works...empty (abstract) words without any clarification that evoke something in people if they not think about it from an angle like you do. Words empty in that sense that they can be filled with anything one imagines...that's really a 'classic' rhetoric. the term freedom e.g. in itself is empty, western people are not free from doing it too, using empty words and getting evoked by it.

But did you really expect that much, maybe it's my wectern bias, but what to expect from a man who made himself leader without time limit, afaik?
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No. 25619
>>25618
I expected to read about the basic tenets of Xism. Or at least something with a concrete ideology. It even lacks a coherent ideology. He evokes socialism and traditionalism in the same paragraph at times.

Even if it were to be bullshit, I'd rather have elaborate bullshit, like that 80 pages long essay on socialist realism I read once. That had complex terminology, long sentences, and it was trying to pretend there was something in that finely wrapped box. That's fun to tackle. This us just
>Everything will be better and more epic wins for China
The only thing it sheds light on is the fact that China runs on pragmatism instead of hardcore socialism/communism.
From my limited experience, old Marxist text were really hardcore when it came to keeping up appearances of concreteness and complexity.
It might be the fact that these are all speeches, and so it has to be more shallow and vapid to appeal to the audience.
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No. 25634
>>25619
>concrete ideologies

I wondered if that is not an oxymoron.

>speeches

Yeah, you can not expect too much from them concerning complexity, but they should give you a basic idea at least.

But I don't understand how it's a problem to merge socialism with traditionalism into a new ideology. You can do that and give it out as ideology and I guess it is. What is done is something completely different often times.

You need to tackle 'intellectuals' who wrote books on Xiism, if those even exist. Dunno. The nazis even had many people who wrote books about the content of the ideology, socialism is different insofar as it is tied to Marxism that has a theoretical history on its own.
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No. 25635
>>25634
The Nazies always were really "concrete" in their goals, even if said goals were humiliating or killing a people. They had actual, very real aims, be they good, horribly miscalculated in scope, or outright fucking mad.

Xi does establish some goals in his speeches like
>Helping Western China catch-up to the coastal territories
>Cultural dialogue with the west (And increasing cultural soft power by encouraging "cultural enterprises")
>Tackling corruption
>A people-centred CPC
But as I said, nothing is elaborated besides stating these goals nobody could have anything against. I mean, these are all perfectly reasonable goals if you think about it. It's just we don't know how the CPC will actually try to achieve them.
So the edition itself is sort of a miss, since no prole will take it off the shelf, and if someone serious were to open it, they'd have a hard time getting any use out of it, since it doesn't really serve as an introduction to the ideology of the state. (And I'd argue that besides learning some really basic stuff about the Xi Government's goals, you won't be getting much use out of it as a foreigner.)
It'd probably work better as a series of pamphlets instead of one big book that could serve as a coursebook.

Anyway, I'll continue reading it, to see if there is anything else worthwhile, even if it's just that I'll find some interesting tidbits in the footnotes.

>Marxism that has a theoretical history on its own
That is indeed unusual about Marxism. You can still find books like Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism and such lying around for pennies if not for free, and the authors are all Soviet academics, sometimes droves of them, collaborating on gigantic volumes to bring you theory.

>But I don't understand how it's a problem to merge socialism with traditionalism into a new ideology.
Nothing necessarily wrong with it. I'd probably go for something like that if I had to build an ideology myself.
It just caught me off guard, really, but considering the fact that some CPC members were actually hiding ancient relics and artifacts from the redguard in storages during the cultural revolution makes it seem actually pretty normal to evoke traditions. (As in, we have to remember that not everyone wanted the cultural revolution to happen. Most people probably didn't want it. But "most people" is an irrelevant group)
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No. 25878
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Any of you read Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism? The subject matter seems enticing enough, but I'm not sure if it's actually worthwhile, or just a pamphlet without much value. (I again, have an weird disdain for something I do not yet know fully, and this time it's the publisher, Zero Books. Probably because I saw them publish some awful looking books like Give them an argument and Kill all normies.)
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No. 25879
>>25878
Mark Fisher is a great theorist, member of the CCRU, sadly did suicide. Capitalist Realism is part of his analysis of contemporary (political, systemic, cultural etc) stasis.

Also Kill All Normies wasn't bad, the argument of the right adopting counter culture techniques is valid.
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No. 25881 Kontra
>>25878
>publish some awful looking books like
>looking

Oh, I see. Don't you know the proverb: Don't judge a book by its cover? :^)
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No. 25884
>>25879
>>25881
I knew I could always count in the German Ernsts.

>Also Kill All Normies wasn't bad, the argument of the right adopting counter culture techniques is valid.
>Oh, I see. Don't you know the proverb: Don't judge a book by its cover? :^)
I mean, it looked like such a soulless "topical" work that was quickly put out to capitalize on the imageboard-scare that I dismissed it [Kill all normies].
Was it an actual, well sourced essay/thesis?

I was just asking about Capitalist Realism, because it's very cheap right now, and I still have a few quids on my paypal account, and I might as well get it, since there is no reason not to at half the price. (Maybe it'll even complement Society of the Spectacle nicely)
It feels like an important topic to me, ever since I had a 30 minute discussion about how "people don't take things seriously and passion is dead and only identity-tags remain" after a class.
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No. 25885
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>>25878
I read it a few years back and wasn't too impressed as he rambles quite a bit about some Zizekian ideas and so on and so on, the main argument being that of capitalism having set up it's own mechanisms of self-preservation and the impossibility of systemic change. This is of course reason to despair (as usual no constructive conclusions are drawn), so being the kind of ideology-driven person he was (plus mental health issues ofc) it's really not much of a surprise he offed himself. Now that I think about it it's kind of an impotent version of e.g. Mishima's suicide.
But getting back on topic, I'd recommend just reading it since it's really short anyways and it gives some substantial insight into the state of modern leftist (or rather actual Marxist) theory before all the idpol stuff happened.

>>25884
Here's a (negative) review of Nagle's book by the infamous Kantbot: https://web.archive.org/web/20180226143118/http://thermidormag.com/angela-nagles-wild-ride/
I haven't read it personally, as the book didn't seem too interesting to me, but I trust him to touch upon some at least interesting, if not always sensible, points.

>I was just asking about Capitalist Realism, because it's very cheap right now
It's really short anyways so you can just read it even on the computer in one sitting, so I've attached the PDF since I have it at hand just in case.
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No. 25886
>>25885
>Capitalism and the Real
Is that Lacan I'm smelling?

Just the chapter titles make my heart beat with excitement, honestly.
I like his style, even if he seems to reference movies a bit too much, but I guess he is trying to keep it simple.
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No. 25891
>>25885
>(as usual no constructive conclusions are drawn)

perhaps the Acid Communism text, not sure if he was ideology driven, Zizek ok, but even he does not believe in the "right consciousness" but eternal struggle over hegemony.
He was influenced by Deleuze and Guattari who (famously) can be quoted
>there is no ideology

but I don't know if Fisher bought that actually in his later years.
Yet he is counted as accelerationist so is texts don't ooze fatalism. It's just a nice analysis and therefore worth reading, even more so because it's short.

>mishima

are you that social darwinist german?

>some substantial insight into the state of modern leftist (or rather actual Marxist) theory

not sure about that

>review

tl,dr? I read it long ago but I think some arguments are alright e.g counter culture techniques. She at least was not moralizing, if I remember correctly.

>>25886
I don't think so, the Real of Lacan has nothing to do with realism as in lets be realistic about this afaik the Real is something you cannot comprehend or something like that

>movie references

he is a cultural theorist and I guess his preference for movies comes from Zizek
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No. 25896
>>25891
>not sure if he was ideology driven
I don't mean that in a derisive sense, just that he was thoroughly obsessed with theory.
I don't know either what was going on in his later years neither have I read his later writings. It was just a conjecture since Capitalist Realism did make a thoroughly fatalist impression on me at the time I read it.

>not sure about that
Why not? Along with Zizek I feel like he's one of the most prominent modern Left theorists.

>are you that social darwinist german?
Nah lol

>tl,dr?
I haven't read the book myself either, only listened to some podcast with Nagle and felt that was enough to get the gist. Some quotes from the review:
>the book has a certain cheapness to it unbecoming of the intellectual ambitions of the author. Reading it at times I felt it belonged more to the genre of timely and exploitative political cash-in than it did to the genre of academic socio-political theory, and this I felt was unfortunate given what I felt Nagel really would have liked to accomplish.
>Nagle doesn’t appear to have interacted much with the typical 4chan users and internet trolls she means to investigate, and I feel like some of the unexamined premises which underlay the book’s weaker lines of arguments could have been shored up had she made a more sincere attempt to enter the perspectives she was trying to unpack. There are no real stories here, only 4chan green text posts taken at face value, and Nagle never succeeds in getting beyond anonymity to the faces and thinking of the people who serve as the subject for her whole book.

>I don't think so, the Real of Lacan has nothing to do with realism
He does reference Lacan explicitly for sure (also courtesy of Zizek ofc)
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No. 25914
>>25896
>obsessed with theory

I don't understand. What does this has to do with ideology? ideology is just one part of the leftist theory apparatus

>Zizek I feel like he's one of the most prominent modern Left theorists.

Well, they are prominent, but Zizek is the misanthrope now and attacks id politics which is also very prominent but also famous with liberals. Both Fisher and Zizek are diagnosing a missing imagination in the left tho. The latter is quite famous in some leftists circles but they are not representative. I think it's hard these days to find a good representation of the left, there is no real unity a few unifying desires perhaps, but mutual enemies perhaps.

>Nagle never succeeds in getting beyond anonymity to the faces and thinking of the people who serve as the subject for her whole book.

Point is, is that an aim of the argument. Ofc you have only what is on the internet. Yet these texts are read and taken at face value by many people I suppose. Nagle shows 4chan as ironic shiposting, perhaps nihilism and cynism. Don't know if she argues that this is a good ferment for the politicization of chans we all experienced over the last decade. At least the culture war thesis is not wrong.

>He does reference Lacan explicitly for sure

A reference that connects the Real of Lacan with Capitalist Realism as sames.

I found a passage of interest here to clear it up:

>At this point, it is perhaps worth introducing an elementary theoretical distinction from Lacanian psychoanalysis which Žižek has done so much to give contemporary currency: the difference between the Real and reality. As Alenka Zupancic explains, psychoanalysis's positing of a reality principle invites us to be suspicious of any reality that presents itself as natural. 'The reality principle', Zupancic writes 'is not some kind of natural way associated with how things are ... The reality principle itself is ideologically mediated; one could even claim that it constitutes the highest form of ideology, the ideology that presents itself as empirical fact (or biological, economic...) necessity (and that we tend to perceive as non-ideological). It is precisely here that we should be most alert to the functioning of ideology.' For Lacan, the Real is what any 'reality' must suppress; indeed, reality constitutes itself through just this repression. The Real is an unrepresentable X, a traumatic void that can only be glimpsed in the fractures and inconsistencies in the field of apparent reality. So one strategy against capitalist realism could involve invoking the Real(s) underlying the reality that capitalism presents to us. (p.17f.)

So the Real of Lacan is not the same as Capitalist Realism but actually suppresses it, takes its places, becomes an ideology. Capitalist Realism is a reality that presents itself as natural and by doing so it suppresses the Real (of Lacan). So what Fisher suggests is giving sight to the traumatic void, the fracture and inconsistency of what Capitalist realism is trying to hide by presenting itself as closed and ubiquitous reality in which every thing is identified and making sense.
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No. 25924
I guess I'm really just better off reading Capitalist Realism as a PDF (Maybe printing it), and getting something by Slavoj "Sniffman" Zizek if I want something longer and in detail. (I think I'll postpone that for later, though I'll finish reading CR on the weekend.)

Sorry if I touched some nerves by brutishly exclaiming unfounded opinions.
I always knew I could count on the Germans.
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No. 25926
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Cringe title aside it actually provides you with some very reasonable tips on negotiation. It is very textbook in how you read it but I enjoyed how it asks you to imagine what you would do in a particular scenario and to reflect on those choices.
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No. 26020
I think I'm going to read Zizek in Hungarian. I looked at one of his books in English, and I heard him say every single word in my head as I was reading. It's killing me. It shouldn't be funny, but it is!
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No. 26025
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>>25345
Okay I finished reading it and as per Lindy's review there it does indeed seem to be fanfic written to make money off gullible wehrboos. Every single tank in the book exploded into a ball of fire even when it was hit in the turret and the whole book was pure suffering like an episode of The Walking Dead where everyone just suffers exponentially, and endlessly in ever increasing bullshit.

btw I met Lindy in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
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No. 26027
>>26025
>btw I met Lindy in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
How so?
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No. 26028
>>26025
> in real life he was a complete autistic knob-end
>in a complete surprise to absolutely no one
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No. 26033
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>>26027
It was at Tankfest 2017, Bovington tank museum. There we were enjoying our time at tankfest, the re-enactors were great and I was talking to some re-enactor about the Lee Enfield rifle while I was holding it and a sten gun, then I feel this slap on my right arm, and another slap and it's this autistic fucking wildman beating me with a camera's tripod as he barges his way through the crowd.

Next thing I know this dude is standing next to me and talking loudly over everyone AT this re-enactor about the benefits of the Lee Enfield rifle. Each time the actor would try to talk this fucking guy would just shout over him about 5 round stripper clips and how it was so superior to the mosin nagant, all the time waving that fucking tripod around like a retard in case anyone got near to this actor dude who was clearly trying to suppress a smirk. A few more slaps of that tripod and I decided to cut my losses and go over to the German re-enactors who handed me a panzerschreck out of pity, having witnessed that bearded fuck AMOG a whole crowd with his autistic screeching.

I hadn't a clue who he was at the time until my buddies were like ''DUUUUDE that was Lindy Beige!''
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No. 26039
>>26033
>A few more slaps of that tripod and I decided to cut my losses and go over to the German re-enactors who handed me a panzerschreck out of pity
I don't know why this sentence is so incredibly funny
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No. 26048
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I'm about halfway thru the 'Cybernetic Hypothesis' by Tiqqun.
It traces the entanglement of capitalism and cybernetics throughout the 20th century. It was published in 2001. It's written in a political manner and thus sometimes lack further explanations or works with aggravations. And yet the control and governance of the self as well as the extraction of surplus value by circulation (and that also ensures further accumulation) and others is a plausible shift in the political economy as laid out so far.
Tbh the transformation thru cybernetics Tiqqun calls the network, talking of networks a "second cybernetics" after WW2 seems enormous but largely unacknowledged, even natural to the larger public. So I wonder if the analysis of cybernetics is exaggerated. But then again the proofs in science and economy seem to be there. And who will deny, that both spheres have quite an impact on how we deal with society and its organization which in the end have a strong impact on our lives we get subjected by such forces, even tho a reflection could provide the possibility to resistence
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No. 26084
>>26048
I've often wondered just how radically different the world could be had the second world war or Cold war gone differently. There is a whole new medium of the arts that essentially didn't even exist until the 1980s. Just imagine if the home computer didn't exist. I'm not even sure the Soviets would have gone this route had say the US collapsed in the 1970s for some mysterious reason. Would vidya even exist? Would the internet even exist, and if it did, would it even vaguely resemble what we have today as a consumer civilian service? It's just odd to think about how thoroughly computers and the internet has permeated everything and the fact that all the steps required to make this complex technology even exist and be readily available outside the military and universities are not a sure thing to such an extent the world could be radically different, not simply on a geopolitical level but just to the little things we take for granted, and the fact that so much of our modern society is now reliant on these same computers and lightspeed information systems.

While I wouldn't go that far, I can see the argument being made for how the internet itself serves as a kind of cybernetic augmentation for humanity but in perhaps the most important way: as a cybernetic prostheses for our minds.
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No. 26085
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>>26084
You should give this a read, written in 1933, it was a predictive future-history of the world. In his predictive future Hitler's nazis are just a gang that never gains traction and Ireland is a post-apocalyptic country of wildmen!

I wrote my Philosophy thesis on this book and 4 others. It's a bit dry but interesting.
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No. 26098
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>>26084
> I'm not even sure the Soviets would have gone this route had say the US collapsed in the 1970s for some mysterious reason.

I've somewhere read and argument I remember now that said the soviets had no interest in personal technology. Like, the telephone was an instrument to give orders and not for private communication. Serving the interests of a centralized state. So I guess they were interested in computers and cybernetics but had another use in mind.

>all the steps required to make this complex technology even exist and be readily available outside the military and universities

And here you have to look at the history of cynbernetics, its military origin and it spilling into the public sector and taken up by the counter culture of the 60s. I guess the latter are significant for why we have personal computers today. The vision might not have been capitalistic, but its "counter" aspect got marginalized, if it ever was really radical at all. The Californian Ideology is perhaps the pervert twist of this entanglement: "Help the world and get rich with it" - Socialism and Capitalism? One got lost and became a hollow phrase.
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No. 26123
>>26084
Well, imagine if the OGAS project had borne fruit and the USSR transitioned to a cybernetic planned economy in the 1970s with an internet of its own.

>>26098
>I've somewhere read and argument I remember now that said the soviets had no interest in personal technology. Like, the telephone was an instrument to give orders and not for private communication. Serving the interests of a centralized state. So I guess they were interested in computers and cybernetics but had another use in mind.

Interesting story: The Eastern bloc had its own version of Eurovision but personal phones were almost unheard of. To get around the problem of voting they would have people indicate their preferences by switching their lights on and off which led to measurable power fluctuations on the national grid.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/03/13/soviet-song-contest/
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No. 26783
Read the first volume of The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick. Being used to his later novels with their dark, tense and paranoid atmosphere like A Scanner Darkly, Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said or Ubik, I was confounded by the short stories in this collection and by the fact that they don't feel like PKD's at all, but then I realized that they are placed in the chronological order, so they were written way before Dick went batshit crazy. A lot of them have unambiguously happy endings (and, what was even more unexpected of PKD for me, unambiguously unambiguous), some, like "Indefatigable Frog", "Prize Ship" and stories about Dr. Labyrinth ("The Preserving Machine", "The Short Happy Life of the Brown Oxford"), are light-heartedly humorous, and "The Little Movement" with "The King of the Elves" could even pass as honest-to-goodness fairy-tales. The stories are often quite idealistic to the point of being naïve, and while Dick's usual themes of dissociation and losing personal identity are present, they are not nearly as prominent as, say, the anti-war theme ("The Gun", "The Defenders", "The Variable Man") or cyberpunk-ish theme of enslavement by the technology ("Stability", "The Great C"). The most PKD story in this volume, in my opinion, is "Colony", which is profoundly dark and very paranoid, and which, I suspect, served as an inspiration for the recent videogame Prey.

Overall, although these stories felt much more "normal" that I expected, I still liked them and I would compare them favorably to Harlan Ellison's stories that I wrote about in one of the earlier thredas, simply because Dick doesn't try his darnedest to be artsy, doesn't show off his erudition on every occasion and doesn't turn the stories into some sort of parables. I also wonder why I didn't encounter any of PKD's works in SF collections published in Soviet Union. Of course, stories about drugs or oppressive governments wouldn't pass the censorship, but most stories from this volume would, I think.
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No. 26861
>Shen Fu - The Old Man of the Moon
This is a short novella, originally a part of a late Qing-era collection called Six Records of a Life Afloat, Penguin just decided to publish a small, pocket edition of it. (Though yes, it made me want to read the other stories in the collection.)

I'm including some spoilers
The story centres on a lowly scholar, who marries a beautiful woman called Yun. The unusual bit is that Yun is not like the average women in the sense that she is both interested in and capable of pursuing the literary arts. Even the author mentions, that essentially she was a woman of male character.
I'd say the first half of the story is an idyll, and the second half is where the sudden tragedy strikes. The time frame is large, the couple lives together for Twenty-three years before "suddenly parting", which imho made the tragedy feel lesser. That's a long marriage with a lot of happiness.
Not to mention the Buddhist ideal of loving couples transcending death is constantly there. (Though the latter makes it all the more moving, I nearly cried at the ending, and I don't say things like these lightly.)
Anyway, lovely story. I liked reading it a lot.
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No. 26891
I am reading books of Frankfurt School

Pretty intersding imo
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No. 26940
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just finished reading this incredible work
will probably move onto some of carl jung's alchemy work now
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No. 27409
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2/3 through the Divine Comedy now. I'm quite unhappy with my edition as there are absolutely no footnotes and only very scant chapter summaries so I keep losing track of actually understanding what's going on and just go along reading because of the rhythm. Gonna listen to some lectures on it for further explanation I guess.

I'm also reading McLuhan's Understanding Media, which is absolutely stellar and visionary in regards of media analysis. Would strongly recommend to anyone interested in the interplay of civilization-culture-media. It's really rather hard to put the insights into your own words though as he has a somewhat idiosyncratic writing style, I had to mark a ton of quotes.

I've also torn through Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 in two days as it's quite short and that was immensely captivating and enjoyable, best book I've read in a while. Might just start another of his longer wokrs soon.

Also finished the Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun tetralogy a while ago as well, it was great too but I really wouldn't have minded if it would've gone on a bit longer. Really enjoyed connecting the threads and retrospectively recognizing premonitions. As seems to be the consensus, it's definitely a candidate to be reread at some point.

Please marvel at this pic-related gem I found while googling around
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No. 27414
>>27409
I kinda get the impression much is lost in translation from time and place anyway. There's numerous references throughout that work that I don't get because I'm not an Italian from many centuries ago. I also always found it kind of odd the way Dante structured what he portrayed as worse vices, and am saddened by how much a complete work of fiction seems to be taken mostly by retarded American protestants and by modern non-religious people to be the same thing as Christian doctrine. I still need to get around to reading Paradiso at some point.
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No. 27422
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I stumbled across Sad by Design while reading this interview about the new book by Yuk Hui on Recursivity and Contingency
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282271/cybernetics-for-the-twenty-first-century-an-interview-with-philosopher-yuk-hui/

It is written in a more agressive tone and indeed fulfills the promise of a more radical critique. I've only read the introduction and a chapter that seemed promising for my term paper and just now dipped into the first chapter.

Some quotes to get you an impression and feel

>Mainstream media’s role as “clearing houses” for facts and opinions has been undermined for decades by growing centripetal forces in society that no longer accept particular baby-boom sentiments such as truth and independence. Yet while their legitimacy has faded, their influence remains substantial. This creates an atmosphere of permanent ambivalence.
>After decades of hard work to deconstruct the dominant ideology of the mainstream media, there is no way back. The liberal consensus is broken

>No matter how desperate the situation, the uprising simply won’t happen. At best we attend a festival, expand our mind and body—and then sink back into the void.

>This book picks up those threads, examining in particular the interplay between our mental state and the technological condition.

>Alarmism has worn itself out. If we want to smash platform capitalism, a political economy analysis will not be sufficient

>As Gramsci said, “the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.”

>We no longer turn on the television news thinking that we’re watching a film. We’ve moved on. It is not life that has become cinematographic; it is the film scenario and its effects that shape the grand designs of our technological societies. Films anticipated our condition, and now we’re situated in the midst of yesteryears’ science fiction. Minority Report is now a techno-bureaucratic reality, driven by the integration of once-separate data streams. Black Mirror is not a joke. Virtual reality actually feels like The Matrix. Trump’s reality TV shows proved to be rehearsals. His tweets are actually US policy. All this makes us long for truly untimely, weird fiction.

Seems to be a good book for everyone who grew up in his teens with imageboards and social media in general or who even has seen the dawning of the internet and how it developed into the present modification. Espcially because the tone is refreshinly aggresive and suits more an imageboard than some bleak newspaper article

Just one last:

>“The internet finds itself dominated by two ruling narratives: the American one, where power is concentrated in the hands of just a few big players, and a Chinese model, where government surveillance appears to be the leitmotif. Between Big Tech and government control, where does this leave citizens?” To label social media users as citizens is obviously a political framing, common lingo within NGO “global civil society” circles. Is this our only option to escape the consumer identity?
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No. 27462
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Just finished Tom Gunning's book on DW Griffith. Griffith is usually lauded and criticized on the basis of The Birth of a Nation, the former usually in annoyingly vague terms. Gunning gives a truly interesting analysis of DWG's short films from 1908-9 where he actually developed the core of his techniques and, most importantly, the mechanics of narrative, characterization and morality of film that barely existed before him and became the hallmarks of classical film style afterwards.
He also connects it with the cultural context in interesting ways, showing which pressures on film existed at that time, and talks about Florence Lawrence and Mary Pickford, who were perhaps the first celebrity film actors (even though for a long time it was the policy of film producers then not to let any creators' or actors' names be known).

>>27409
>there are absolutely no footnotes
What a pity. If there's a great work of literature that absolutely needs footnotes and explanations, it's the Comedy. It's worth it, I was impressed by Inferno as a teenager reading it for school, so surely

>>27422
This looks really fascinating, and fortunately not long. Thanks for the rec
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No. 27592
>>27462
I'm a retard
>so surely you'd find something worthwhile in it too.
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No. 27657
I read a collection of Basho's haikus. I probably lost 90% of it in translation, but a few pieces were really moving.
*In lucky realms tea's
smell is triumphant even
over oranges'*
This one was probably the best in the whole booklet.

I'm going to write a more substantial post once I'm done with the last stretch of Old Masters.
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No. 27777
>>27657
In which language did you read it in? I recently came across a Russian edition of Basho on the internet, flipped through it, found this gem:

Весной собирают чайный лист

Все листья собрали сборщицы...
Откуда им знать, что для чайных кустов
Они - словно ветер осени!

In spring they pick tea leaves

The pickers have gathered all the leaves...
How would they know that for the tea shrubs
They are like an autumn wind!
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No. 27792
Finished Paradiso today, so I'm done with the Divine Comedy for now. I can definitely appreciate the structure and it's influence on other works but I have to say I'm rather disappointed, I expected something more grand, and not so many seemingly arbitrary references to worldly matters. It especially fades in comparison to Milton's Paradise Lost, which was a truly exhilarating read for me.

>>27414
>I kinda get the impression much is lost in translation from time and place anyway. There's numerous references throughout that work that I don't get because I'm not an Italian from many centuries ago.
For sure, but I'd expect there's a lot of scholarly work done on it that could elucidate a major part of the references.

>>27462
>>27592
>If there's a great work of literature that absolutely needs footnotes and explanations, it's the Comedy.
I guess I might come back to it some time if I pick up another edition, maybe with a different translation as well since this one didn't impress me at all.

---

Started reading Gogol's Dead Souls now, which I'm greatly enjoying, it's been a while since I've read anything in Russian. There was some off-hand remark in the McLuhan book I was reading along the lines that his style is proto-modern or sth like that, which seems plausible to me now. I'll have to do some reading on Gogol's biography as well though since I don't really know anything about him.

I'm going to pick up something classical now as well, Aischylos or Sappho maybe. Also some non-fiction as well, though not sure what yet. Spengler's The Decline of the West hardcover is looming over my room, but I don't really feel like picking it up atm, maybe I'd rather read something more "applicable".
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No. 27815
So, Thomas Bernhard: Old Masters (Comedy)
At this point, I think I can soundly proclaim that Bernhard is one of my favourite writers. Despite writing in a formulaic manner, his writing is still fresh. Old Masters and The Lime-works are quite alike in their characters and form. An old man, a maniac of an old man, against the world somewhere in Austria, ranting obsessively about things to someone (in the case of Old Masters, Atzbacher, a "Private Scholar") about an assortment of topics, such as philosophy, music, art, and modernity.
Nothing much happens in the novel, all of it takes place on a single afternoon in the Kunsthistorische Museum in Vienna (Which I actually saw when I went to the Naturhistorische Museum, so I got the picture quite well). Of course the scope of the novel is larger, because the protagonist, Rege, a Musikphilosoph for lack of a better term, keeps recounting his experiences with death, survival, music, Austrian politics and humanity's cultural decline.
These opinions take on the form of a Bernhardian rant, seamlessly connecting each and every opinion of Reger into one long winded wall of text that keeps raging on.
I'd say Bernhard is what's happen if a Kafka character decided to "man the fuck up" and turn the whole Kafkaesque world upside down. The protagonists in Bernhard's works combat the absurdity of modern existence through their own insane absurdity and self-absorbed manias.

I did a little experiment, and I read out aloud some of the book. I felt genuinely angry and mad by the time I stopped. Another testament to just simply how natural and elemental Bernhard's prose is.

It's scary how Reger's opinions can be insanely uncomfortable to the average man, while also sometimes being painfully true.

I watched a short excerpt from an interview with the author, and he talks just the way he writes.

Overall, 10/10, would recommend. A great book by a great author.

>>27777
I read it in Hungarian.
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No. 27822
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>Listen to an interview with Ernst Jünger
>"I haven't learnt Spanish, and it is too late for that now"
>"I haven't had the time to get acquainted with modern Latin-american literature"
The guy lived a hundred and two years, yet he didn't have enough time for everything. This is so fucking soul crushing.

Said interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSfYcflA_XA
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No. 27825
>>27822
Better not to think about that kind of stuff.
Just immerse yourself in study and hobbies so that there is no time to think, and then one day die unexpectedly.
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No. 27827
>>27822
>>27825
Just meditate until you can turn off compulsive thinking and stop getting caught up in your mind's melodrama.
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No. 27835
I'm in the mood for some short stories. Can Ernst please recommend me some?
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No. 27838
>>27835
The Last Question by Isaac Asimov
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No. 27867
>>27835
The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster is a pretty cool proto sci-fi story which I found pretty visionary considering it came out in 1909. I don't really remember too well single stories I could recommend from these but here are some collections I enjoyed:
Labyrinths by Borges
Nine Stories by Salinger
Death in Midsummer and Other Stories by Mishima
Rashomon and Other Stories by Akutagawa
Cosmicomics by Calvino
Burning Chrome by Gibson
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No. 27882
>>27835
Ficciones
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No. 27895
>>27835
Last Exit Brooklyn by Hubert Selby, showing fucked up US of the 1960s-1980s, it deals with outcasts and poor people, dunno exactly when it came out hence the wide time span.
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No. 28097
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I read the introduction to a compendium edited by Erich Hörl and titled in translation as The Technological Condition. Contributions for a Description of the Technical World

What is posited is that we entered a stage in which humans and technology are bound up in a network, they form an ecology. No more is there a difference of the human as possessor of meaning in opposition to the machine reduced to a meaningless functional tool. It's the technology as machine disrupting the sense of meaning. We are living in a time of the technological unconscious - technology became ubiquitous and second nature. The conditions are not comparable to the ones centuries ago anymore, where technology was often grasped as crafting tool.

The compendium features texts by philosophers of technology like Gilbert Simondon, Bernhard Stiegler, Alexander Galloway, Mark Hansen. And also female philosophers from which Katherine Hayles seems important, reading the introduction and the things Hörl says she pointed out in her work.

So far it was promising to read, finally some insights on how to tackle the present in a refreshing way.