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No. 3110
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What role do imageboards play in our time?
Are they comparable to the secret societies of old days?
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No. 3112
Those secret societies were a thing for elites only.
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No. 3113
>>3110
>What role do imageboards play in our time?
Depends on the imageboard, but, mostly, none.
>Are they comparable to the secret societies of old days?
No, I think they are comparable to Uncatchable Joe[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes
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No. 3115
The role of virtual toilet walls where every idiot can write down his buzzword sermons and nobody else cares about it.
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No. 3120
More like coffeehouses.
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No. 3124
>>3112
Literally everyone was a member of the Masons, hre at least
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No. 3127
I think they played a role in the past, maybe mostly around the time of 2004-2012. In the same way Newsgroups played a role in the 90s. Like a club of early (social) technology adopters who felt elitist for being so avantgarde.

Nowadays imageboards are just a relict of the internet 1.0 age.
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No. 3129
Interesting question. Who is shaping whom? comes to my mind

Do imageboards have an input effect on societies' discourses or are they more of a mirror of society without a notable impact.
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No. 3135 Kontra
>>3127
This doesn't make much sense because Web 2.0 was the shift to user-generated content. It's the closest thing to a meaning that buzzword has, but even if you allow message boards, the newsgroups you mentioned would be 1.0.
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No. 3139
>>3135
You are right about the aspect of user-generated content, it was not what i had in mind. I used the term more for the social media and its increased usability, also leading to a high increase of "normal, non-nerdy" people populating the internet.

I don't think there is a large step between newsgroups and imageboards, both share the same oldschooly discussion forum root from web 1.0.

My main point was anyway that imageboards are outdated and declining in every sense, neither the communication form nor the userbase is avantgarde anymore as it used to be.
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No. 3140
>>3139
>nor the userbase is avantgarde anymore as it used to be
Was it avantgarde ever?
Also, every granny and her dog know about 4chan. It's not like /pol/ isn't popular either.
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No. 3141
>>3140
>Was it avantgarde ever?

There was a time when imageboards where a place to cross borders, but not necessarily borders that could be considered as avantgarde. I'm sure these borders have been pushed before but on 4chan it was easier and more anonymous.
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No. 3142
>>3140
>Was it avantgarde ever?
IMHO it was, during it's early time and peak, mostly in the 2000s. Avantgarde not in a sense of an intellectual elite, more in it's usage of internet and communication.

>Also, every granny and her dog know about 4chan. It's not like /pol/ isn't popular either.
In early times, imageboards were mostly a "secret club". For example if you look at the "Rules of the Internet" (cringey, from a today's point of view):
https://ia902604.us.archive.org/14/items/RulesOfTheInternet/RulesOfTheInternet..txt
you will find this type of self-perception, inspired from the "Fight Club" movie which features this idea of a secret, hip underground culture.
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No. 3144
>>3142
> if you look at the "Rules of the Internet" (cringey, from a today's point of view)

and yet they still contain some things that are true to this day

It would be interesting to have a history of ideas, some kind of genealogy of imageboards and trolls

I think it is a rather small field within history even today. tbh it is not so easy to find sources I guess.
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No. 3152
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Never has this image felt more appropriate.
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No. 3167
>>3152
See that you don't choke on that meme. Ideas have SELF WORTH, paying attention to them only if they came from validated (by OTHERS) people is a magistral self kick in the ass (it means you don't have or don't trust your own judgment).
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No. 3198
>>3115
This
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No. 4418
The main problem of imageboards in relation to other secret societies is they ended up being completely open to the worst kind of bydlo trash society has to offer while simultaneously offering nothing in the way of networking and personal advancement. They are like the anti-Freemasonry and I mean that in the worst way possible.
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No. 5346
Imageboards play the role of a cesspool where the above average intelligence young plebs' minds to get sucked in. Theres too many of them, plus those who think so much outside the standard values system to be into anonymous communication, can harm the system by their creativity and independent thought, so they are better kept on the internet refreshing the imageboards 24/7. The non plebs can't be affected by them because they're brought up properly not to look for answers or communications on ib, and are early engaged in the non pleb serious businesses by their parents.
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No. 6539
>>5346
the races most immune to internet (brazilians, gypsies, bydlos) will win

the races most addicted (south koreans, finns, japanese) will go extinct

https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/06/30/south-koreas-fertility-rate-is-the-lowest-in-the-world
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No. 6542
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>Are they comparable to the secret societies of old days?

Yes elites are all about sitting around watching pointless clips of cats and having internet arguments about animes and weeb turks while the goyim take over the world
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No. 6548
I always thought of imageboards like a shut-in's substitute for going to a pub.
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No. 6578
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>>6548
That's a good analogy, pub drunks are full of bitterness

"Thanks a lot Obama for destroying mining in america!" while he downs another shot
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No. 6601
>>6542
A lot of the secret societies were there just for entertainment. I think the most common activity for many secret societies was marathon drinking.
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No. 6690
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>>3113
No one needs us but we have fun.

What a relief this Ernstchan, good vibes, I hope it keeps this way.
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No. 10784
It was actually always my dream to form a successful secret society for making successful people on here but it always failed with KC. Does anybody else remember all the Anon micronation threads? Well I think some of it was hidden at the time, but still. I think I still have loads of files on it from imageboard discussions on how to go about creating an independent country.
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No. 10814
>>10784
Does anyone actually want me to dig through my old shit and try to post them?
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No. 10852
Joining up with the Freemasons, yes or no?
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No. 10853
>>10852
It might be fun if you are under 21 or live in a redneck rural area.
However if you are 30 and joining you are pretty lame, why not join the military reserve you get to play soliders and go pew pew pew while getting paid instead.
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No. 10854
>>10853
>joining the military
Because I'm not a dumbfuck who wants to get shot in Iran for Israel. Also FYI that scenario doesn't work because 30 is the cutoff for joining the military. Also you have to be at least 18 to join the Masons.
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No. 10860
>>10814
Yeah sure I'd love to see that kind of thing to be honest.

>>6539
Funny, but also sad, due to the fact that it is true. Although it is a seemingly age old issue of living in comfortable times and societies though.
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No. 10864
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>>10854
Why would I expect anything less than burger posting from someone who asks on an imageboard if joining the Masons is a good idea.
Go take some vitamin D as you obviously do not get enough sunlight, and will join precisely nothing.
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No. 10865
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>>10864
>Only one year left to join the USMC

I'm not gonna make it, lads. I have no intention of doing so of course but still.
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No. 10875
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>>10860
Fuck hold on I'll try and find it later I can't remember which folder it's in. I am finding some pretty funny and also disturbing shit that I saved over the years.
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No. 10876
>>10875
Oh hey look what else I just found in my archives
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Israeli_Nuclear_Armageddon_www.armagedon.org.il_official_mirror
Or rather, the rars for it, and found that site after binging the site armageddon.org.il

Also go to the /r/books thread (as in /r/ing) if you want me to upload pdfs. Maybe I'll make a screencaps when I get around to it of all the pdfs I have too if I get around to it. I have tons of pdfs on mental manipulation, combat/improvised weapons/militarism, and the occult as well as I think leaked documents from ages ago or something. Plus some screencaps and various archives dating back at least a decade.
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No. 11964
>>10784
I might visit relatives in america one day.
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No. 11991
>>10854
For joining the masons you just have to be an independent man. Emotionally and financially.
Age doesn't really matter.

In some cases, sames goes for women.

Burger.
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No. 11994
>>10876
DO you speak kike?
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No. 12036
>>11991
Different burger here. What is the benefit of joining the masons? I always thought it was just a social club for bored old men.
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No. 12037
>>11991
I think this will at least be different across lodges. When it comes to financial independence there was a mason in my university class who even had the other members pay for his magician gloves etc. My guess is they are so desperate for blood these days they aren't in much of a position to say no.

Did him fuck all good, in his final year he was working at Maccies and since then has hardly led a stellar career.
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No. 12038
I always thought being a mason was this "secret" thing that anybody barely knows anything about.
Is masonry really that plain in sight?
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No. 12041
>>12038
Hue. No, everyone knows them to be larpers with an elaborate system of autistic handshakes and stonemason religious symbolism. The Church takes exception because the allegories to temple building get a bit fruity and secular authorities have a problem in their oath of brotherhood to one-another.

The example is in France where apparently every other policeman is a member which...well, you can imagine why the number of French masons is growing.
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No. 12049
>>12041
At some point I wasn't even sure if masons exist at all, honestly.
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No. 12056
>>12049
On the Hungary the topic has the same taboo as Jews (as in you can't go around and pointing that X or Y is a Jew). Even the other clubs are working in similar discrete fashion, although one can catch some news on some charity events.
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No. 12058
>>12041
>well, you can imagine why the number of French masons is growing.

What did he mean by this?

Are you referring to the fact that an increasing share of the French population is not catholic?
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No. 12059
>>12038
Yes. There are Masonic temples everywhere here. Fun fact a lot of the Enlightenment era revolutions had major backing/formation in the Masonic lodges. The entire modern ideal of democracy and brotherhood and Western liberalism was largely derived from these groups or people like the Rosicrucians etc. The American Revolution in particular had a major Masonic influence. There are Masonic lodges everywhere here especially near institutions of learning. I think every town I've been in I've known where the nearest lodge was.

>>12049
That was my funniest point to make to troll people, particularly when I was going on about CIA/NSA stuff or government corruption and people talking about "wild conspiracy theories" I simply posed as the opposite insisting that Freemasonry is made up and doesn't exist. Although to be fair I've only known iirc three Masons, one of whom is an uncle.

>>12041
Honestly this is the biggest thing to me that's a huge turnoff. I think a ton of cops are involved in such things. These are American cops, so anything associated with American cops I look upon with great disdain or hate even, as the way our police act is in its own right justification for a violent overthrow of the government late 18th century style.

>>12036
It largely is. The way one can think about Masonry is quite similar to like an early version of the *chans. By and large it was a place for men to get together and act like fools and tell baudy jokes and swap stories, sometimes having female entertainment etc. Quite a few lodges functioned as large philosophical clubs, however unlike the *chans they actually did and still do lots of IRL charity work, as opposed to ramming themselves with dragon dildos like imageboarders do. And then there is a small, much, much smaller cadre of politically active Masons who tended to get that whole conspiracy theory thing so well known about in much the similar manner as /b/ and /i/ boards got the public aware of and brought so much notoriety upon the *chans, to the point where a lot of people just associated imageboards with raids.

Another thing is some of these groups could function quite well as revolutionary hotbeds and intelligence networks, which reputedly included some famous spies and occultists, hence a part of why certain men of high position either looked more favorably or way more disfavorably upon the lodges. I think that at least some reforms had always been a certain motive to these brotherhoods which is part of why the monarchies of Europe and the Catholic Church feared and hated secret societies.

>>12037
Yeah my understanding is Masons particularly hate these social climbers who join for no other reason than personal advancement and using the brotherhood to their own ends. This is greatly frowned upon. They are not going to get you a job and stuff your wallet with cash just for taking an interest in joining. Most of the social networking happens as a result of longstanding membership that frankly can more easily come from joining a fraternity or relying on college friends. Will your college friends give you a job and stuff cash into your wallet? Well, your odds are probably better there.
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No. 12062
>>12059
Good post.

I agree that the whole police thing is worrisome and even my enlightened government has misgivings about it's threat to the justice system. Not that I've seen any evidence of wrong-doing but Freemasonry is by post-1848 make-up an old boys network even as it centres on ruinous charity dinners. Just not a very good one unless you're trying to get out of a traffic ticket in Paris.
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No. 20565
>>20564
The authoritarian right is such a bunch of shitbags though. They're the opposite of anything like the internet.
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No. 20580
>>3110
Only 8ch pol is actually kind of a secret society well not a secret but...
most boards are jew tire propaganda brainwashing platforms
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No. 20581
>>12059
>like the Rosicrucians etc.
Don't mix them all masons are jew turned builders of Shlomo temple.
Rest is not connected or made by people that go to masons see what the shit it is and made their own way.
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No. 24249
What do you guys think is the future of EC?

I like the current state of EC, quality threads without much shitposting. Will we stay at this one board and 25 pages? What if we gain much traffic in the following years? Also any Admin here who might want to say something about this?
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No. 24252
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>>24249
I would like it to have a bit more lightheartedness, it should be possible somehow without inviting the utter shitposting.

Just today I remembered that Pepe guy, don't even remember his name.
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No. 24253
>>24249
If there is a raid or sudden increase in traffic (i.e. not gradual) I think that the admins should not make ernstchan available. I do not know if it is possible to only shut down /int/ temporarily while keeping the other boards online.
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No. 24263
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>>20581
>>20580
Just imagine being this legitimately fucking retarded
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No. 24276 Kontra
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>>24263
I am pretty sure this is meant to be taken in jest.
It reminds me a lot of the "A man raising a daughter is the ultimate cuck" pasta.
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No. 38144
>>3120
What this guy said.
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No. 38146
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>>3120
Yeah, what this guy said. Either that, or a pub. People come in, enjoy a quiet chat, and then return to the noisy world.
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No. 38152
>>3142
Old 4chan was super exclusive and tried to be inaccessible with a culture against "spoonfeeding newfags" which was, in my opinion, justified because they couldn't handle very much traffic back then (they had to rangeban Japan and Korea originally because of too many people accessing from there). Modern imageboards are too obsessed with this though, and it leads to /r9k/ and /pol/ tier antisocial behaviors. A website should be made accessible and easy to understand to as mainstream and diverse of an audience as possible and won't need anything apart from sufficient moderation and post timers to be manageable and on topic.
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No. 38156
>>38152
To the contrary, the flood of newfags beyond what the old filters could process is what lead to the death of 4chan. My biggest "oh" moment was when I was arguing with a polfag, and instead of getting something like "lol fuck off you niggerlover" they responded "haha OMG you tard I was only pretending xD".

That sentence is etched in my memory forever, and I repeat it near verbatim. Moreso than virulent unironic racism, talking like that - like a 14 year old girl on facebook - would have led to a an immediate, vicious dogpile back in the good ol' days. Instead, it wasn't even worthy of notice.

Imageboards died when they got flooded with so many normalfags that the old methods of integration were inadequate. Only a few rare spaces that implemented especially draconian enforcement of social norms were spared. I never browse /a/, but as my friend tells it, they've mostly kept polshit out of their board due to the zero tolerance modding policy that began when they banned any discussion of Naruto.

Zero tolerance severe bans of certain kinds of retardation are necessary. By this point, if someone wanted to revive 4chan, they would have to implement a blanket permaban for anyone who's made more than X number of posts on /pol/.
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No. 38158
>>38156
I find "lmao xd I was only pretending" completely inoffensive, and old 4chan was so vehemently against talking like a 14yo girl because they were all 14yo boys who just had fun making fun of people (moot was 15 in 2003) it wasn't sincere bizarre moral principle that you seem to have against all joy, just making FUN(and I use the f word literally). I find the sincere racism that led to Christchurch and the various other cripplechan shootings extremely offensive, because (1) innocent people died and (2) it created bad pr for its imageboard to a degree that actually caused it to be attacked and lose DDOS protection (thankfully the one that got destroyed this time wasn't worth saving). Dogpiles are just like reddit downvotes but without the built in mechanic and anything that is a serious problem should be handled by mods alone. /a/ is a no fun allowed board to the point that there's not even meaningful discussion of anime and manga, and the mods are too bitter to let things change.
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No. 38168 Kontra
>>38144
Mystery solved. Stop bumping garbage threads Nebraska.
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No. 38718
>>3127
I would plead for them to have played a roll from ~2007 until the Trump election, but agree that by now they are post their peak.

Also holy shit I thought EC didn't exist anymore for several years.
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No. 43528
They are not, because they are not used by the elite, whileas secret societies mostly invite dignitaries as their members. Imageboards are thevanalogy of coffee shops.
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No. 43533
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4chan's /pol/ is making kinda non-state sponsored grey/black propaganda

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/264119604#p264138935

pretty brutal
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No. 43536 Kontra
>>43533
>unironically linking to /pol/
I am half tempted to make some 4krebs tier shitpost about your "digits." Just imagine that. People so fucking dumb that a post ending in 33 is enough to use as part of "argument" why not to pay attention.

Anyway it's a well known fact that the FBI and other alphabet soup agencies had compromised most imageboards. From what I can gather the Canadian national boards admin had also been approached by the feds, much like the movie Hackers had always implicated happens. moot himself probably got backed off by the feds around the messing with football incident and by around 2008 it was likely nothing but false flags and unofficially run by The Man. For example it had always struck me how shit like YouTube Porn Day was the perfect way for them to force censorship and mass surveillance on us via false flags. They tried doing the same for porn bans. I'm not even entirely sure why they hate porn so much in particular tbh but do know that, who was it insex? Some bondage site got shut down by Bush era antiterrorism laws.

But anyways yeah this has been known for awhile and the irony is that while poltard shills are literally stupid enough not to notice the fact their entire board is nothing but an establishment propaganda vehicle while thinking themselves "red pilled" about COINTELPRO type stuff, at the same time they are too dumb to be effectual as your link shows. They're dumb enough to fuck things up constantly. In fact the Pizza palace shooting I'd almost say was deliberately done by the elites had I not known better that yes indeed they're stupid enough to fuck things up like that, just like they were stupid enough to fuck up the UTR rally. I have mostly ever seen them accomplish the exact opposite of their stated aims, and in the case of elite pedophiles my suspicion is that pizzagate was entirely a manufactured thing to distract attention away from the real pedonetwork while leaving poltards to their own devices so they could eventually sabotage pizzagate itself thus silencing any later discussions.

But yes that entire board is and has always been a propaganda vehicle for the system. It's just funny to me the level of hypocrisy and doublethink there, like supporting a pedo network connected NY billionaire who surrounds himself with pedo enablers and rich Jews and then act like you're a Jew for pointing out the obvious. I do know that k*hl and 8krebs you'd similarly get banned for pointing this out.

The same sad fate happened to Wikileaks. You could tell they were neutralized when it became the Assange shitshow and all the archives disappeared. I would personally regard all of those sites as basically being a vehicle for rich industrialists, politicians, and other assorted scum to control the masses while ferreting out any legitimate dissidents.
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No. 43543
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>>43536
Respect me man, I did no harm, this is not 2011 any more. It's kinda entertaining, what else can I say?

Note: I did not read after your second paragraph, because if I want to get insulted I read certain newspapers.
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No. 45624 Kontra
>>43528
>because they are not used by the elite
We can't say for certain they're not used by the elite. There have been numerous instances of celebrities maximizing their audience and popularity with a friendly shitpost on their preferred board and with the platform of a semi-anonymous userbase, we can't be certain what sort of small or big fish are floating through the schools of shitposts on everyboard.