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Posting ITT requires wearing a mask.
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No. 45735
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Nice try Mr. Gates
No. 45736

Yesterday I googled the symbolic dimension of face masks in the west. The health issues I guess really are minor with these, it is more about not seeing ones face as this is key in western society and about getting shut up We can hear you with masks very well. In Japan or other Asian countries people wear them for being polite, Wectern people fear not catching the freedom bug anymore.

also this really is meant to be the corona thread #3 but I guess this already was too much funposting for me :DDDD
No. 45745
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German Ernst, what's the matter with that corona thingy as of today?

Isn't the time right to go back to normality but have travel restrictions regarding how bad it is in other countries?

Especially with such low mortality I don't get the fuzz while I indeed understand that in Feb and Mar we had to be sceptic since it could have been super deadly.
No. 45746
It seems like the second wave is beginning to hit in the western Europe, we'll feel the consequences in a month or so as well.
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I haven't thought of the cultural implications of mask wearing, though I guess that's why people thought I was a weirdo for wearing them constantly, pre-corona.
Then again not having to see (or make) creepy forced smiles is good. Maybe some of them miss that.
If I could go to work with a gas mask I would, just to really go for apocalypse chic.
No. 45754
I wear a gas mask outside of work when I absolutely have to run an errand and I wear a flat cap and squat while I smoke so I always have the almost uncontrollable urge to blurt out CHEEKI BREEKI STAWKEAR through the mask at passers by but then I remember next to none of them would get the joke.
No. 45755

Meanwhile in Norway. Swedes who have lived there for years are getting bullied. Great work there government of Norway. We will remember this next time you have a shortage of butter.
No. 45756
>Maybe some of them miss that.

You can bet. I remember when the first corona demonstrations went off here and interviewed people said things like "nobody is smiling anymore/ people get so distanced/ we want love etc" I don't think it's a coincidence, that some protesters were also active in the peace movement of the 1980s already. Green peace mindset but not necessarily left in a classic sense or even pc left.
No. 45757
Are you actually doing it properly or are you just doing retarded meme nonsense. Because if you aren't figuring out filtered substance density and airflow over time, then you may as well be wearing a scarf over your face because filters have a lifespan based on those factors, and chances are that your filter reacts to more than just coronavirus. You'd look like less of a faggot for the same utility.
No. 45758
The man is probably not only at increased risk, but should he get infected himself and go around in public with his cheeki breeki gas mask, sweet corona droplets exit out of his check valve and spray whatever supermarket he's in with viral goodiness.
No. 45759
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It's a p100 rated fine particulate mask and of course I'm wearing it properly and have a surgical mask strip taped over the exhalation valve. You jackasses can bitch and whine about it all you want you don't live here and don't take public transit in America during the 2020 pandemic. Make with the dealings. If you have problems with it go out and protest mask wearing then like all the other retards or waltz around the crowded metro with a bandana hastily slapped on your face.
No. 45766
So do you have a timeline for filter replacement? Or are you just winging it? Or not worried about it?

If you're not thinking about filter lifespan (density of ALL filtered particles*rate of air flow), then you're not wearing it properly, no matter what else you do, and if you're winging it you're running the significant chance of wasting filters that aren't needed yet, or on using a spent filter that isn't actually doing anything. The lifespans are actually not as long as people think. In the high end of stressing them (combat conditions in a chemical cloud), a CBRN-graded filter will last less than an hour. One you're using to go to the shops will be longer but still it's not something negligible. In your case, it's also going to be filtering smog, pollen and all that stuff too, so you need to account for it as well as any viral contamination, so if you aren't factoring for those, then you might as well use a decent mask and a face shield.
No. 45768
>nobody is smiling anymore/ people get so distanced/ we want love etc
Protesting for smiles, that's a new concept. I heard a lot of people here were upset by the idea of social distancing because they wanted to be close to their families and loved ones. I found this confusing at first since those sharing a household are supposed to be sort of safe, but then I remembered how extroverts have generally suffered from being under lockdown.
That said, I imagine the dehumanizing effect of masks (which I personally enjoy) plus US social tensions might create a very alien atmosphere. Miserable, faceless people roaming everywhere and you think they're brainwashed, that might be how they see it. There's a movie like this, I believe.
No. 45784
>might as well use a decent mask

I think you are also forgetting the massive amount of PPE shortage in this country in particular and the world generally. I only this month got KN95s and only this last month started seeing a significant increase in others wearing something beyond surgical masks and tshirts strapped to their faces, so I wonder how much of it is either a shady diversion onto the free market by profiteers or is non-FDA approved surplus getting unloaded because doctors and nurses have actual N95s now.

You want to talk about efficacy but again you haven't got the luxury to just talk about life in America under these conditions. Will it be 100% over time? No of course not and I know that, but even as it starts to get clogged and degrades it's still better than wearing a cut apart tshirt.

I'm sorry but after all this I've become extraordinarily touchy about my God given right to wear PPE in this country as enumerated in the Bill of Rights and you'll take my face mask from my cold dead hands.
No. 45794
I'm not saying to not wear PPE. I'm saying that you should use what you've got properly. Again, there's a pretty major difference between acknowledging that it will eventually fail, and keeping on top of it so that it maintains effectiveness. If you don't want to do that work, then use one of the other options which are the way they are because they don't require that extra work to be effective.

It's a bit like a firearm actually. You can say "I understand that eventually it'll get dirty inside and stop working properly, then I'll fix it" but that's not the way it's meant to be done, and most shooters will actually clean based on how many shots of what kinds powder charge they put through it. They'll be less likely to let it lie if they're shooting particularly corrosive ammo (lots of cheap surplus for example) so that it stays in good nick, while the person who just waits until it fails to take it apart is going to have an absolutely trashed piece of equipment.
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lol you've really got to love and admire the Germans sometimes
I personally would have used an actual cold coronavirus or rhinovirus though to have made the experiment as maximally realistic as possible, which is also precisely what our biological warfare division did back in the cold war
No. 45814
>Back in the cold war.
They never stopped terrorizing the public with their weapons.
No. 45815
I actually looked through this website that claims the (swiss(?)) Secret Services are running a Nazi genocidal program on civillians.
One of the videos they had up was too good not to share here:
>At 8:00 see a insanely violent shot to the face with a Directed Energy Weapon firing a Pulsed Energy Projectile! See full contents below. Dr. Katherine Horton recorded the non-stop machine-gunning of her body INSIDE her reinforced metal-shielded bunker between 2:30 and 4:30am on 17th March 2018. This summary is evidence for crimes against humanity committed by the Swiss Secret Service, NDB, in conjunction with MI6 (SIS) in the UK. Dr. Horton is one of many victims of the global holocaust that is being committed by the Western Secret Services.
Pretty cool stuff.
No. 45878
I heard of Katherine Horton before, but damn she's crazy.
Btw I can't find any publications from her CERN my ass. The vita makes the story pretty cool though.
No. 45879
Ha so I guess our instincts as a race of man were right afterall
We simply didn't understand how it worked or why you could get infected by the bad air, just that we somehow instinctively knew that it was some kind of miasma hovering around us.

Interestingly to me a great deal of our modern precautions were basically replicated by more educated men in centuries past, albeit in more the manner of a superstitious occultist who believes his techniques do work for changing reality but he hasn't got a clue why anything could work or what is fueling it, left only guessing and grasping for thr flimsiest explanations as to why X did Y.

I spent October watching a great deal about plagues and one interesting thing that struck me alongside how dangerously retarded a lot of the bydlo were and the lethal incompetence of rulers and administrators was the degree to which their precautions may have worked. Keep in kind that plague had two primary forms, a bubonic sepsis inducing form and a much more dangerous pneumonic form, and that as a result you could get the much deadlier version of plague in similar manner to how you can catch the 2020 bat SARS without ever having encountered a flee.

This included them doing stuff like sanitizing all economic transactions by soaking in vinegar (and likely alcohol containing) solutions, heating letters over candles, setting roaring hot fires inside their homes, and wearing those now infamous plague doctor getups. The funniest thing to me about the plague doctor outfit was the fact that while probably not airtight and done for wildly differing reasons, having a large tube absolutely packed with sweet smelling herbs and other potions to breathe through while maybe not disinfecting the air of dangerous foul smelling miasma and converting it to clean poison free air as they thought likely would have been one of the most effective forms of medieval gas mask provided it was packed deep and long enough to catch the much larger than viruses microbes and general effluvia from people coughing and talking.

So I guess that's that then. We actually do have miasma and bad poisoned air, except it's not really rotting garbage producing foul smells so much as infected people being the generators of the miasma which is invisible virus laden psrticulate matter, although also interestingly enough you really could catch the virus from a miasma. Walking by a stinking dead animal the other day I wondered precisely the mechanism behind how we evolved that aversion to bad odors and concluded we must have been warned away from dirty bacterial and other pathogen hives in corpses, fecal material, vomit etc. but wondered the extent to which a rotting corpse could release infectious material into the air such that simply being near it and breathing in the foul vapors for long enough could infect you (and they certainly would have had you kicked and sufficiently disturbed the corpse to release those vapors into the air). I remark upon this because an infectious person farting or taking a dump is a known route of transmission because a lot of pathogens can ride that particulate matter in the air so if you smelt it, you probably got dealt it. I deliberately avoid public restrooms now for that exact reason.
No. 45880 Kontra
Her researchgate is major bullshit allready. What a shame, would have been a thrilling tale with just minimum credibility.
No. 46127
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>A ~2 weeks ago we were below a 1000 active cases
>Now we have close to 2000 active cases with +300 daily new infections
>Schools just reopened for the new school year
No. 46134
Nurgle requires more followers. The disease must disperse to all who it can touch!
No. 46137
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This whole year has been so meme worthy
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>Orbán: "We're waiting for the second wave Armed to the teeth"
>Today: 459 new cases (yesterday it was 309)
I don't know m8, this seems like a second wave to me, especially considering how this is double of the "record high" infections we had before summer.
No. 46615
Yesterday we had the country's first Anti-masker rally.
The conspiratards managed to mobilise a whooping 100 people to take the fight for Normalcy to the streets and show the government what we don't need no God damn masks!

We're getting close to 1k cases per day now. They diagnosed 916 new cases today. We do around 10k tests a day, so that makes the positivity rate 9%. That's without effective contact-tracing I might add.
They're just testing people at random/who have serious symptoms.

Apparently this time we're going for keeping the economy running and the Orbán announced that this time success will not be measured through the number of infections, but through the number of recoveries.
No. 46616
Let us not talk about the bad things like the globalist Venice merchants want, but instead focus on the positive. A full two thirds of our population survived the plague after all and that's a success story if I ever heard one!
No. 46619
But to be able to recover you need to get sick first. So for maximum success everyone will need to get infected?
No. 46620
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Do not question the Cool One
No. 46621
My mother has been feeling under the weather recently, symptoms include elevated body temperature and joint pain. I am extremely worried, she's in her 60s and a smoker. What a mess.
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Worries for the worry Dog!
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The High School defence-strategy here is +200IQ.
Basically the students wear masks at all times, except when there's a class (of 20-25 people in one room) or they're eating (usually in the hallway during breaks when all the students are out and about).

I have this feeling that at this rate I'll never get to that Shostakovich concert...
No. 46786
I was supposed to have lunch at my dad's, but this morning he called me and told me he and his wife both were feeling sick in the stomach (nothing else though). They attended a birthday party last night.
No. 46787
But face masks are magical, albeit common, items. As long as you have it in your inventory the effect is a positive buff to all your stats. Equipped in your face slot it gives different buffs depending on the situation. You should have it check with your local wizard to see what the effects are. Just beware that some have this cheap Chinese spells on them.
No. 46799
I am to this day mystified by how masks became thought of as part of the globalist agenda who...also want to track us 24/7. I like going into banks and gas stations with my identity concealed.
No. 46804
The usual claim I hear is that the elites are "testing the waters" to see what arbitrary shit they can push on the populace.
No. 46807
Phones, credit cards, and social media seem like a more through and successful attempt at that. Which most of the protesters almost certainly use.
It's strange how politicized the issue of facial cloths got. Like if there was a political movement to stop people from wiping their asses.
No. 46828
Well, for what it's worth, she had the symptoms for a couple days and then felt a bit weak for a couple more, for the last week she's been feeling fine. So, most likely it wasn't corona.
No. 46831
It isn't really. It is just the opposite. Here the right wing is saying we should lock everyone up and wear masks everywhere. But that turned out to be the wrong strategy so now they are back blaming the government for crime and migration. That works better for them.
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A video of president Trump talking about his Covid-19 treatment has been remixed into a retro TV ad for the drug Regeneron. It was made by The Lincoln Project, which is an anti-Trump group, but this spot is more humorous than overtly political.I know, laughing at political opponents is still political-but whatever.


>Regeneron’s treatment is a cocktail of two powerful antibodies that are believed to boost the immune response to the virus. Early results seem promising. In a press release, the company has said the cocktail lowered virus levels particularly in people who had not made their own antibodies, but the company has not yet released detailed data to back up its claim. Clinical trials are not yet complete

Regeneron Asks F.D.A. for Emergency Approval for Drug That Trump Claimed Cured Him

No. 47264
There actually were some pretty hilarious or ebin videos those guys did. Regarding that whole thing though I kept thinking what kind of a retarded partisan hack you can be to keep thinking Trump faked being sick to get out of the debates but now I'm not so sure. People who get this thing will be sick for literally weeks. It's not unusual to be fucked up for close to a month, or at a minimum be feeling like shit for a couple weeks, and now he's allegedly fine? I dunno. The fact Trump pussied out of the debate makes me wonder if anyone claiming he was faking being ill had a point.

At least I got my CBD. I've no clue if this will be effective but I'm not a rich establishment elite like Trump so I'll make do with whatever's available. I'm hoping to not get hospitalized this fall tbh.
No. 47269
After hearing the president was infected, I was in the "no way he survives" camp. I clearly underestimated what the best doctors are capable of. I mean, they saved Reagan from a gunshot so ofc they were going to save Trump, right? I should have had more faith in modern medicine. As far as faking it, I have trouble believing Trump would publicly admit weakness by pretending to be sick. It goes against his character; he lies to make himself look better, not worse.
Anyway, I'm curious how his medical exam is going to go on Fox News. It's a ridiculous stunt, but how they pull it off should be interesting. Or embarassing. We'll see.
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Wtf what part? It's at the point now where you have the president trying to convince people he's no longer contagious, which is just sad, and recently the feds busted a cell of terrorists who had been planning to kidnap a governor and try to overthrow the democratically elected government of Michigan by violence. If you actually read the story it's good for a laugh. Those terrorists had a hidden passageway under a carpet and one of the terrorists in that cell lived in the storage basement under a vacuum cleaner store
While thankfully all these terrorists got identified and thwarted and now they're going to a maximum security jail for a long long time, it does give one pause to consider how many other terrorists there are roaming around the country who've not been caught yet.
No. 47296
I know that it's satire but still. But then again I'm not watching that much news involving Donald of Orange.

The kidnapping plan isn't that surprising considering how many loonies there are out there. But you got to admire their optimism. Think positive.
No. 47297
Something tells me that people who think that a plan to kidnap a governor and assault cops will end well aren't smart enough to pull off clandestine activities.
Specially if they constantly post dumb shit on their own social media pages.
No. 47312
Yeah that these idiots also decided to discuss it on literally Facebook is just that much more hilarious. I have no idea why the fuck it gets thought about or promoted anywhere by anyone to do shit involving twitter or shitbook beyond it being a literal arm of the intelligence-police-industrial complex. They did seem to have rather elaborate planning though it's just they were stupid enough to talk about it publicly on data farms and so they got picked up almost immediately.

We also have nonstop poltard car jihadis running over protesters at this point too.
No. 47533
Midwest including particularly the Dakotas and Utah are absolutely exploding with the coof and running out of ICU beds. I'll need to continue stocking up for the winter. Don't feel like it rest of today though too tired. Fauci is now traveling around with bodyguards because these absolute IQ69 right wing retards keep threatening to kill him after Trump keeps doubling down on his equally IQ69 stupidity about the virus.

I'm so amazed by how he's gaslighting these people and they don't even notice he talks to them like he thinks they're idiots that I really do think I should just code some shovelware games where you fight the media or whoever and they'll buy it. These people are suckers and I can easily get rich off them. Even now it's considered "political" and "controversial" here to wear a fucking mask meanwhile for whatever reason we're on the rising side of what's looking to be an absolutely massive wave and outside areas in the upper midwest we haven't even hit the frost yet in most of the country.

How's it faring with you against this winter's second great coof?
No. 47544
Huh, so I just checked the statistics for the first time in months because it felt like the danger has been over for some time now. So far there have been less than 10.000 deaths in Germany (83M citizens) but the rate of infection seems to be increasing again slightly.

Then I saw the global stats, according to wikipedia, with over 2.4M new infections this week, the highest recorded week since the beginning. And the US in particular isn't looking too comfy right now. Stark contrast to my intuition based on daily life here in Germany.

I wish you luck and I'm sorry that you have to deal with the fallout of other peoples idiocy.
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Yeah, pic related was going around on Twitter a couple of days ago, Germany seems to be doing pretty fine.
Though yeah, cases are somewhat rising, but I don't feel particularly alarmed yet tbh, tho apparently there have been some toilet paper raids again...
No. 47546
>toilet paper raids again

What? why? some people...

I'm from a risk area and I just went shopping. I noticed the streets were definitely emptier on the weekend. But yeah, I don't see a noticeable difference for my own daily routine atm. But mind you I leave the house just for shopping, talking a walk at night/evening and seeing friends occasionally.
No. 47549 Kontra
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>cases are somewhat rising
they are fucking exploding! but nobody is giving a shit, including self-proclaimed "alternative" media. there should have been a short but total lockdown in september already when infections increased again, but the god damn capitalists pressured and lobbied so hard for copying swedish retardness that nobody dares to call for a second lockdown.
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No. 47553 Kontra
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Yeah, I suppose it's looking worse now, actually not entirely sure about the correctness of that previous map
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Florida has been steady, but this past week we've been trending upward in both daily cases and in the percentage of positive tests(positive tests÷total tests; so either too much corona, or not enough testing). Regarding that denominator, I recently noticed my local CVS offers drive-thru testing. A bunch of new signs in their lot. So if I need a test, which I hope never happens, at least it will be convenient :D
Hm. this report doesn't fill me with confidence:

>In Florida, the state website updates daily with the total number of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospitalizations.
>But Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is considering no longer releasing coronavirus numbers daily.
>[His press secretary] did not provide details about when a decision might be made — or if the state will start reporting cases on a weekly basis.
>The only states that do not release COVID-19 data each day are Kansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico.

Florida considers not releasing daily COVID-19 case numbers to the public

Well, he hasn't done it yet, so maybe the Governor will back down from this idea.

Wow. Is that increase connected to the new school year? Seems to line up.
No. 47558
No. That increase is connected to the end of the measures that were introduced to curb the spread. (The new school year didn't help either, but the increase started weeks before schools reopened because of the end of the summer break.)
No. 47559 Kontra
And I'd like to also add that we're producing these numbers without any effective contact tracing and with a limited testing capacity.
No. 47560
notice how all counties in bavaria and saxony that border bohemia are high risk areas now. i'm in one of those counties and i suspect that it's due to czech commuter workers as well as people who border hop for cheap shopping in bohemia. the border is still open despite czechia having some of the highest infection rates in whole europe right now. it's almost like the likes of kretschmer want infections to explode, because they do literally absolutely nothing to combat the pandemic. it's unbelievable. fucking cdu.
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Not that Ernst but in case anyone doesn't know Florida has been notorious throughout this entire epidemic for being particularly dodgy about their numbers reporting and DeSantis is a fucking idiot. Man thank fuck I don't live in Florida. In fact the only really surprising thing about this is them being transparent enough to say "we don't really want to report our numbers anymore." They've been trying to find ways of hiding their real caseload and death toll this whole entire time and have purportedly resorted to China-tier bullshit in an effort to hide it
They've been pulling this shit since April and May.

In the beginning it was because Karens were flipping out about not being able to wipe their own arse and vag with anything but DownieSoftTM but now it's actually going to be because people remember that and hence because they perceive the value, act on the perception, and thereby create the value and shortages. Kinda like the stunt nVidia is allegedly pulling now with their memePUs.

Value is where menand Karens perceive there to be value. This is human economics 101 and I guarantee you what was sold out then, will be sold out now.
>but why
Fuck if I know but my own mom acted exactly the same way right before Y2K. I don't think we ran out of TP for like three months. Food? Munitions? Medications? Fuck no she hoarded a carload of family size 24 packs of ass wipery and and a couple dozen flashlights with tons of D cell and AA batteries.

Meanwhile as inept as the women are the men (not in mine for Y2k, but a pandemic ffs) rather than going out and buying masks and masking material or baked beans decided to go out and buy two thousand dollar meme rifles, although the sad fact is that it's actually going to be useful this time around. I may check out the gun store this week and see if I can pick up anything although frankly I don't expect law to breakdown so bad in November that I'd need it and even if I did it's more likely I'd have to put up with either swarms of BLM looters or trumptards trying to gangpress me into their faggy LARP militia neither of which I'm going to effectively defend against with just a filed down AR or whatever. If it's just one man I don't think anything less than a BAR and good tactical defense would suffice.
>but will it get that bad
I fully expect cringey faggots like the Proud Boys to engage in sporadic bursts of lone wolf terrorism or small groups staging terrorist attacks.

Fuck, if I knew a mobster I'd place bets on someone torching a Dominos because they thought the assistant manger said something in librul pedo code.
>but what about antifa if Biden loses
I don't fear antifa because I'm not a business owner or cop and don't consider them terrorists nor any kind of credible threat to me. I'm more worried about getting hit by some retard shooting up an area with brown people I pass through than getting jumped by some git witey retards at this point and because I don't wear MAGA shit or advertise political affiliation am not worried about getting sucker punched but I do see that happening a lot in a Trump win.

In either case I expect social upheaval like you haven't seen in decades.

I'll try to think of it as a game with very unlifelike and terribly programmed NPCs doing bydlo things while trying to survive resource shortages, raiders, and an invisible sand plague.

Thankfully I managed to nab 3 bottles of iso, one large 91% one that can be diluted and 2 smaller 70% ones so I have enough rubbing alcohol to last me until Thanksgiving atm. I am also hoping we can get some shutdowns going so they cut my fucking hours to something sane because right now I've got too much to get gibes but not enough to do more than subsistence survive on at best and I still owe the state money because they overpaid me. I've never had this much trouble trying to pay a debt back in my life.
All I want to do is sit inside and shitpost and play vidya and sip hot cocoa as the world burns outside like some spardo gif rather than get pozzed by maskless angry bydlo is that really too much to ask ;_;
No. 47566
Man this really should be some kind of special disaster event in Tropico 6
No. 47567 Kontra
I don't understand what the fat guy is trying to say
No. 47569
>copying swedish retardness
To think that anyone could copy it is retarded in its own way. "Hurr durr sweden is open and goes about business as usual." No we don't, and that is what people don't get.

There was an interview with German tourist on TV and he was all "I can walk around here without a mask and it is totally free and I don't have to wear a mask". So basically he had no business here other then to not wear a mask and he shouldn't and that is what people like him don't understand.
No. 47571
Power, like value, lays where men think it does.
No. 47593
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Portugal has around 11 million people.
Today we hit 3270 cases, there are 1365 people hospitalized with COVID-19, 200 in ICU. There are currently 47.000 active cases.

In the coming weeks, hospital will be overfilled with infected and triage of patients will begin. If the Spanish example is anything to go by, older people will increasingly be left to die as the limited medical equipment will have to rationed.

Things are fucked, the government is limited in its ability to perform meaningful action, they've declared a 4 day ban on people travelling outside of their "province" - in an attempt to limit infection during the all-saints festivities which will no doubt have a few brave and idiotic souls celebrating.

Nobody talks about this here, but it's obvious that it's just a matter of time until banks start imploding. We were overdue an economic crisis to hit some time around 2021 and with these new conditions I'm sure something impressive will happen and we will see a new rise in misery and poverty.
No. 47594
Oh fuck. Shit. That's right. I'd half counted on that second stimulus check clearing by now so that I could "invest" it in a brick of silver and some nuggets of gold. It's truly a terrible thing to have forewarning and be able to do nothing about it particularly due to lack of resources and connection while those who have it, squander it, and as though they know not. I'm concerned about which thing can be the tipping point to cause another domino effect like 2008. Motherfucker I'm not even close to 40 and I've had nonstop bullshit making it harder to ever get ahead because our generation is fucked from the mishandlings of retarded boomers.

On the plus side you at least do not have a civil war brewing.
No. 47885
So I guess this is the most pertinent thread. I just stocked up on a bunch more supplies today. I've been gathering up all week long and I've already blown through well over three hundred dollars just this week alone, mostly on food but some other things also. Everyone is stocking up on ammo. The virus has accelerated itself quite rapidly in my area. I swung by my local shartmart to pick up some extra Halloween candy for the kids but no one came. I'm not sure why I expected that they did; they didn't come last year either. No one seems to celebrate it anymore except black children. Not here. I swung back today and picked up even more candy on discount and it looks like barely any even sold this year. The election is now two days off. It feels like calm before the storm. It feels like I did walking the mart about 9 months ago, before anyone else in the country realized what was happening and about to happen, that sense of eerie calm, except now it is saddened. The paranoia, suspicion, and general sadness of everybody around me is incredibly palpable right now. It's in the air, like a lingering mildewy sweat.

I suppose that should have to be my last run. I could pick up just a couple of other things later maybe but I'm getting exhausted from it. We're at quadruple the daily case count we were a month ago and I'm just trying to get enough stuff packed in to not go anywhere until Thanksgiving or hopefully December if not later, and my money is finally actually starting to run out.

I'm listening to the songs of my youth now, played on the speed of sadness

Whether I'll get past this winter I don't even know. My vision has gone black again, just like it did back in 2008. I caught a brief glimmer of the future and saw it because I could not change anything about it. Or maybe I saw it only because I could. And either way my vision went black yet again. I don't even know if my family won't be dead by then, that everyone will still be there. We're going to lose another quarter of a million people over the next few months. I suppose I should not leave anything left unsaid. The existence of my beans is finally secured, but I do not know if I can deal with the walking human hazards about me. It will be a trying time regardless. Any plans I had or could have are going to have to be on hold now, as the society locks down into a new and much darker phase of our American history.
No. 47890 Kontra
My aunt sent me this
Christ, that is the most bourgeois "disaster preparedness" list I've ever seen. Curiously it does not contain things like ammo for example, although to be fair in the event of a real disaster if you live in a major enough urban zone you're pretty much fucked anyway. I just think it's funny. The bottom part where it's an actual list
>Disposable dishes and utensils
Just like...what the actual fuck? Do they make PC building videos for the Verge or something? Well anyway at least they are trying and I can appreciate that. Some of the other things are not actually that far off anyway. In certain types of disasters like plague outbreaks you really do want to make sure to get and stockpile basic things you may not normally think about, like extra socksVery important! Especially in winter! Good footwear cannot be overstated, extra feminine hygiene products like pads and tampons, shaving cream, contact lenses or a spare pair of glasses, batteries, drano and a toilet plunger, just basic every day or even less than every week items that are easy to overlook. Fire extinguisher is a good addition I keep forgetting to buy myself a better secondary one.
No. 47912 Kontra
So, you're about to have a full-scale civil war or what?
I swung by /k/ a few minutes ago and they're already in full boog mode. I mean, we all know they're larping basement dwellers, but apparently there are enough violent retards on both sides.
I mean on the one hand I am morbidly curious how a modern day civil war in a non-muslim country would look like, especially without (much) foreign meddling, but then again I am anxious about the implications. I am at a point in my life where I can start a family and I don't want to raise my children in a postapocalyptic wasteland.
No. 47916 Kontra
I'm not sure how, but I guess this bears mentioning. Our local chimpouts this year had warnings from the police and government, including the barricading of government buildings in advance.
So far tonight nothing, the streets are about as normal as they can be in a pandemic. They don't see throngs of MAGApedes or more rabid Dems as a risk tonight at least.
No. 47967 Kontra
To append this, my own area remains the same as ever though I've heard of Trump's fan club in other states going after polling stations. But it seems the police are responding to them first.
No. 48052
It has been confirmed that my best friend has the coronavirus, he said he lost his sense of smell today, his wife doesn't have any symptoms yet. Feeling pretty down right now, and tomorrow I will have to commute to work by bus once again, endangering myself.
No. 48053 Kontra
Another superpower will gladly take the leading role, maybe it will be something different from US imperialism afterall, the Russians are not capable of it, only China comes to my mind.
No. 48058 Kontra
It's not looking likely in my estimation tbqh however considering probably as high as 80% of trumptards are still in full-on denial and coping mode it makes me worried what sporadic violence these dangerous retards are going to do once they fully hit the anger stage of coping with loss. I say this considering one of these said dangerous retards who accepted it is a police chief whose ass just got canned because of writing a bunch of shitposts encouraging violence against people and which should give you a very crystal clear picture of what the actual problem is in America with police and why people who lick their boots are either retards or disgusting
>he actually calls the FBI and CIA "Marxist organizations"
I mean like can you even fucking imagine? Who in their right mind in what despotic shithole calls the fucking CIA and FBI "Marxists"? These people have never known loss or oppression in their entire lives so a part of me would be quite gleeful at them actually getting out of their scooters to get their shit stomped in by the full weight of the government for once.
No. 48059 Kontra
>These people have never known loss or oppression in their entire lives so a part of me would be quite gleeful at them actually getting out of their scooters to get their shit stomped in by the full weight of the government for once.
In case of a Second American Civil war most units would be classified as "Motorised Divisions" because of the mobility scooters.
No. 48060
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Well, apparently we're getting another soft-lockdown after 110k cases.
>General curfew from 8PM to 5AM
>Lower Education to be digital past 8th grade
>Higher Education to go completely digital
>Restaurants to close (Take-out is still allowed)
>State will pay 50% of wages for restaurant workers
>Restaurant owners will not have to pay taxes after their workers for 30 months
>Theatres, Cinemas, the Opera to close
>Teachers, Kindergarten workers to be tested weekly (Not with PCR tests)
>Hotels to close
>Hotels will get reimbursed for 80 of the booked rooms if they don't lay down their workers
>These measures will be in effect for 30 days from Tuesday

Thus spake Orbán.
The government seems really optimistic and keeps saying that a vaccine is "within arms reach" or how "a vaccine is just a few weeks away".
(Interestingly enough we're negotiating with China and Russia for their vaccines, not with Britain or their western manufacturers.)

Anyway, I wanted to ask, does your country have a corona-slogan?
Like how the UK uses the
>Stay home, rotect the NHS, Save lives!
Here, the government uses "Let's take care of each other! Together we can succeed again!" (Again, as in, like during the first wave.)
Generally every official letter I came across related to the pandemic uses "Protect/Take care of ourselves, protect/take care of each other!".
No. 48061
There are some "We're in this together" slogans floating around but I don't recall anything specific.
No. 48066
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>by bus
Wear a mask and cross your fingers, Ernst. Sorry to hear about your friend.

>does your country have a corona-slogan?
While it's not an official slogan, I've seen "Stay Home, Stay Safe" a lot. I miss "Flatten the Curve", which was used in the early days before this thing grew out of control.
No. 48067
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Joge was already made

"Stop the spread" seems to be the most common one. Americans are dumbasses so flatten the curve is way too complex.
>riding public transit
I've tried stocking up as much as possible but my tobacco stockpiles are running dangerously low and will probably be exhausted by sometime next week. This is why I own and wear a gas mask. I can keep 1.5 Finns between myself and others many other places beyond checkout lines but public transit is very much gas mask time.
>why do you have such negative view
Nine months. I've been dealing with this bullshit nine fucking months. People licking their fingertips to count out money even now in November. Wheezing boomers coofing all over the place while chinmasking. I've had it with these retards. I hope no election rigging goes on and the next guy clamps down with national mask mandates and fines the fuckers a thousand dollars for being retards. It's also spooky how many legit boomers I'll hear on the bus talking about playing videogames. I always expected 13 year olds to be polluting multiplayer this is probably one of the reasons I basically don't play MP at all but I never expected some 65 year old boomer to be doing it.
>at least you share common interest
Luckily I don't because mostly what they seem to play is the usual bydlo AAA crap. Man. I can't even imagine how fucked the vidya industry got by this but at least there's gonna be huge demand this winter coupled with indie devs who can just work from home in at most small teams, because the way things are going I'd imagine us to also be heading back into full lockdowns within the months except that unlike yurop we'll be waiting until "This Is Fine" mode before trying to do it way beyond the point where it'll do any good.
No. 48224
We are probably facing more countrywide shutdowns now with multiple cities and areas already going into shutdown mode. How's it in your areas?
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Some people may not find this as amusing as I did, but Morgan Freeman narrates the first 5/6ths of 2020
You should bear it in mind we've still got a bit less than two months left to go of this year so a lot of really dumb dark shit can and probably will have happened since then. Christ. Doesn't anyone remember that? How the year literally began with locusts like some kind of a dark omen? At least they didn't have stingers and the faces of men I guess.

But anyway just so you know apparently the stocks here are totally wiped out on some shelves with people once again, you guessed it, hoarding TP
No. 48262
I actually swung here just to say this
You have no idea the depths or degree to how cold blooded I am towards these dumb cunts right now. That fat disgusting boomer thing in the white shirt. All the major business owners. They should fucking hang. You have no idea the magnitude of the growing suffering in this country right now. They should be brutally and violently put in their fucking place if need be at this point.
>there's no cases in Wyoming!
No. 48333
No. 48335
Calm down schizo.
No. 48340
Pretty sure the schizos are the ones saying it's a hoax by Bill Gates m8
No. 48963
I think I'm just going to have to start calling people. I deliberately cut myself off from everybody but I'm getting increasingly worried. Every day I check the counter and our county is up X number of new cases and is now hitting the point where I check it and deaths are ticking off. I have no idea who's dying or if anyone I know has got it and gotten messed up from it beyond family.
No. 49050 Kontra
I think it's best to become completely and utterly detached from social relationships. It will only being toi grief. The few relationships that were okay are not worth it.
No. 49051 Kontra
I don't believe Bill Gates invented the virus and I don't believe the virus is that serious. I do believe Bill Gates is trying to use the scare to further monitor and control people by putting little bots that monitor peoples heart rate and possibly control it into vaccines. The Government is already insituting social control over daily life by instituting restrictions such as maso covers and Monopolies took advantage of the control of government to insitute hegmony in America to eliminate competition.
I cant seem to find a answer to this inreased control of the pharmaceutical cartels and retail and silicon valley gangs on our daily life. In Australia they made it illegal to not give your child HRT if the drug cartel deem your child to be the sex they are not assigned with at birth. You also can't refuse to buy the hormones either. In that country they also banned no game no life and sex toys from japan. Things are just going to heu worst in the Anglosphere and I don't know the way out.
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No. 49077
I literally spent the entire summer comparing us to the Soviet Union and Chernobyl, so, good call on that lad I guess?

I had to look up what that was
and I find it quite rich and very telling that you had to find a way to shoehorn in whining about trannies to a pandemic discussion while at the same time complaining about Australia banning pedo anime. It's even funnier to consider the very people whining about "muh freedoms" usually are the same people who had no problem with this
They don't give any fucks about freedom, either. It's several orders of magnitude less offensive than being told no shirt, no shoes, no service, yet I don't see anyone protesting being told to put a shirt on.
No. 49253
There are no extra direct payment checks coming. It's all been whittled down to more gibes for the major corporations, on top of their normal gibes. I'm tired of this system. The Democrats are as fucking useless for real Americans as the Republicans and while at least it's gratifying seeing the GOP fully destroying itself I hope to god that the woketards and leftists go full cytokine storm against the DNC corporatists. They're going to pass, at best, an extra $300 weekly stipend to unemployment which is not enough because all the states are starting to shut down again and when they say "help for 'small' businesses" what they mean by a "small" business is a tri-state area or regional corporation. This is going to completely fuck everyone with a small restaurant or salon and I hold the senate responsible for it. Meanwhile all the scumbag elites are doing the usual things and letting the serfs die in the fields just like every other pandemic. I hope that this experience causes a dramatic shift in my society and discredits neoliberalism and globalism, populism and reactionaries, and drives severe hate against the wealthy elites. At least on the plus side none of my immediate family members some of whom have real serious risk factors are working bydlo jobs or associating with bydlo and so their risks of getting pozzed this December are pretty low compared to other people working restuarants, walmart, cashiers, or whatever but I'm still moderately worried about them getting it.
No. 49279
>The first report cards of the school year are arriving with many more Fs than usual in a dismal sign of the struggles students are experiencing with distance learning.

>Educators see a number of factors at play: Students learning from home skip assignments — or school altogether. Internet access is limited or inconsistent, making it difficult to complete and upload assignments. And teachers who don’t see their students in person have fewer ways to pick up on who is falling behind, especially with many keeping their cameras off during Zoom sessions.

>The increase in failing grades has been seen in districts of all sizes around the country.

Schools confront ‘off the rails’ numbers of failing grades

Not really surprising. Poor performing/special needs students are doing worse, and high performing students are doing better. I know another ernst has expressed his hope that this home schooling experiment may lead to more independant thinking. Maybe it could, and for a subset of kids it almost certainly will, but for others we need a better solution than what we're seeing.
Well, I guess it's too late for any real changes since we'll get back to normal next year anyway.
No. 49287
Yeah, I understand that we need a lot more than just a new pedagogy, and yeah, I am highly aware of the fact we need much better than a one-size-fits all approach to education--in fact that's part of the exact point
but regardless I am very hopeful and grades are irrelevant to me but then again, I am definitely of that horrible Soviet bureaucrat tier "sometimes you need to break eggs to make omelettes" tier mindset. It's more important to me that we have that transitional phase of breaking the training and indoctrination than getting good grades, in fact I fully expected that to be a temporary side effect. And that's not a bad thing.

The entire grading system is bullshit regardless but a lot of those special needs kids would fall behind and get segregated into "special" classes anyway, and it'll only highlight the fact that a one-size-fits-all approach has been harming our kids for generations now as the smart kids grow listless and also fall behind along with the special cases falling behind, because the real purpose of school is to push towards that middle segment. Any of the smart kids have two pathways and that is either to becoming a useful mindless cog like everybody else only with at best a higher paygrade, or the pathway to private schools to become the real managerial class whose glass ceiling is becoming the personal assistants to the elites as investors, lawyers, personal doctors etc. Michael Cohen was part of that class. Upper management is that class. For whatever reason I didn't go that way along with other family members so when I talk about this I'm talking about going to a soccer game for a relative who attended the same prep school Bush and Kerry did, and also going to a shitty public school but unfortunately being smart enough to understand what was going on. My guidance counselor even kept pushing me to going to some shitty community college for I don't know why but due to my parents I got pushed towards private colleges and I got in one and got a BA rather than associate degree to stay stuck with the bydlo.

Yes, I want to see this system utterly destroyed and discredited. The problem is everyone got trained to talk about education all wrong. They are meant to never question the basic premise:
>we need every kid to go to school and be given good grades
It's never questioned. And I want that system utterly ruined beyond all recognition until these kids learn to be independent and think critically and question things around them and learn to be real humans again. Having been homeschooled also my only real concerns are firstly, kids from broken homes I can see this being awful for them and we need to find a way to deal with that (who would be failing their classes and drifting to criminality even with schools more often than not even if not always), and secondly, that it can make people lopsided. Like I never got really good at math and probably would be worse at math today had I been homeschooled until graduation. That's a problem, and that requires certain programs to provide those core things, even though so far as I can tell the vast majority of the country overwhelmingly does not know how to do math and has forgotten pretty much everything they learned in school and that's partly because grading and tests is useless bullshit that does not teach them any real world skills.
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I think that what we need to do is provide a core set of skills including logic and rhetoric classes and critical thinking skills (this is absolute cancer to this system and will always be lowkey opposed by them so it has to be violently rammed through the system), alongside a foreign language and creative arts classes, basic skills in the scientific method (that is barely taught in school more like just a bunch more quizzes from rote memory), literature and history etc. The added problem is it already is lopsided because people like me and other ernsts can outperform our real abilities with no effort by being walking books of trivia, rather than the goal of a Renaissance man who can fix your car, recite Plato verbatim, understand Aristotelian philosophy, write a not-shit poem, and opine about the geopolitical situation, rather than being either a trivia book and/or unquestioningly obedient worker who identifies tribally with his Nikes or Carhart clothes and accepts whatever "redpills" or woketard bullshit he gets fed by the tribe.

I think that after teaching those core skills and methods of thinking and operating that we should create those satellite programs. Like an actual arts and crafts school that can install sculptures in local parks, and people doing more than field trips but actually something like a semester long internship at a national park or wildlife refuge which additionally can provide them with future employment opportunities on top of providing real world skills, and things like that should be an education. Do you know where I once went on a field trip to? McDONALDS. They fucking took me on a fieldtrip to McDonald's. I still do not understand the point of that one. I mean fuck sake even if they took us into the "kitchen" it's not like we'd even be taught how to cook, which could be another satellite program. At least I also went to an art museum once.

I'd also like to add that I resent the CHUD slur from retards at leftychans because it implicitly states you should go to the garbage bydlo factories, as if that were fine, in the same way we get redditards talking about "science" as if it were an ideology and not method, of which they understand nothing, while being soft-nihilist fedora illiterates. That is likewise as by design as social tribes being formed around whether you shop at Hot Topic or Hollister, all of which is artificial, and more hilarious that these tankies would be pushing labelling in favor of the same corporatist power structure they say they oppose. I will also say however that it is right, that it will provide many opportunities for YECreationist retards to indoctrinate their kids to Brooklyn Orthodox Jew or Wahhabi level of ignorant useless retard. That is indeed sadly a problem in this country, a considerably big one, and another reason why we need all those satellite programs.

However after those programs I think that what we should do is similar to higher education and that will provide a smooth, seamless transition to secondary schools should they choose to do so by providing a sort of focus at the third stage that they can do by choice as a program but that is tailored to their own native skills. Like I am not going to ask for the round peg athlete with massively high kinesthetic intelligence to get hammered and slammed through that square peg of engineering. Not everyone has got the same native abilities because we were not made equal in that respect and should not all be held to the same standards and that is why we (allegedly) have a meritocracy instead, where those with the ability should do so and those that are useless as tits on a boar should not be given the position to lead purely because of who they know or how much money they have. I think that while they should be rounded out by the first two stages that their own method of learning should be targeted and identified for how they should be taught and that targeted learning should allow them the pathway to nurture and refine their native talents and abilities, and that that is one of the big problems I have with the system because it drives future Olympians and composers into whoring themselves to some corporation as office drones.

Sorry for the longer post than usual but this is one of the things I feel passionately about and as far as I'm concerned it has been one of the subtle gifts of 2020, to help break or loosen the system's hold and some of its fundamental assumptions that are false. The only fear I have is that the enemy will use this as an opportunity to double down on the structural indoctrination to make these brick prisons become their whole lives and make "schooling" itself overtake their lives to compensate for the hours lost to them of training children in reflexive obedience and suspensions for "insubordination."
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>Sorry for the longer post than usual
I appreciated your expanded thoughts.

My thinking parallels yours with the exception of breaking some eggs :D . As I see it (and as your first link emphasized) the educational system serves its own end, creating in each generation what it needs, rather than serving students. And it needs compliance, first and foremost, after that the primary goal is socialization. Finally there is just enough wiggle room to allow some people to find their niche. An area they enjoy and are naturally good at.
Funny how it only takes a sliver of light, just the possibility of escape, to keep any system stable. That ensures any effort will be towards reform, widening those slivers, rather than a complete overhaul.

As an aside, I wonder how many ib dwellers have some home-schooling in their background. At least two here.
No. 50543
I remember that guy somewhere trying to say "hospitals are empty" and other low IQ things like disputing that triage was happening
In LA county you're no longer getting taken to the hospital for resuscitation in the event of things like a heart attack and it's only going to get worse. They'll eventually stop responding to certain calls entirely since it's only getting worse here and the vaccine rollout in America is way slower, and on top of that you have black swan events like that one guy who intentionally destroyed hundreds of vaccines because he "didn't think they were safe" probably for anti-vaxxer reasons.
No. 50590 Kontra
Would you just kill yourself already you unemployed alarmist schizo?

(User was banned for this post)

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Well that's unfortunate
>Bankhead-Kendall, an assistant professor of surgery with Texas Tech University, in Lubbock, has treated thousands of patients since the pandemic began in March.

>Lubbock, Texas trauma surgeon Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall. CBS Dallas

>She says patients who've had COVID-19 symptoms show a severe chest X-ray every time, and those who were asymptomatic show a severe chest X-ray 70% to 80% of the time.
>and those who were asymptomatic show a severe chest X-ray 70% to 80% of the time.
>and those who were asymptomatic show a severe chest X-ray 70% to 80% of the time.
The hell? It's actually that high? I figured it'd be much lower rates of organ damage. I've felt, not sure how to put it but off since the summer. I need to take a Chantix. I need to smoke less.

(Nurgle cultist has been purged from premises)
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I hope to get my vaxx soon.
No. 50846
They're giving priority to seniors and health care workers here. There's also no residency requirement, so snowbirds- the elderly non-residents who flock to Florida every winter- are also eligible. That means we're going to vaccinate quite a few Canadians before we're done.

Canada’s Flawed Vaccine Plan Sends Snowbirds to U.S. for Jab

That headline is misleading. The story is about Canadians already in Florida, not Canadians travelling just for the vaccine. I think Bloomberg's editor was just taking a swipe at Canada's healthcare system.
No. 50847
Yeah I actually saw something about that and the absolute outrage some of them had for all of these goddamn carpetbaggers from as far away as Florida stealing their Floridian vaccines, which some had plates from places like New Jersey and New York alongside Canada. They interviewed an elderly Florida couple about that. I have no idea how she managed to keep her rage bottled. I'd be fucking furious.

But it was still his turn! tier shitpost. This poster is a very good example why my beautiful country is suffering sub-third world tier levels of death and suffering.
No. 50861
>I have no idea how she managed to keep her rage bottled.

Old folks aren't known to filter their language, so they probably editted out the swearing :D.

No residency rule: Some full-time Floridians upset snowbirds, visitors can get vaccinated in Sunshine State

>“I hate to say that we deserve that priority, but we do. We are the ones paying the taxes, we are here when it is 120 degrees in the summertime"
>120 degrees in the summertime

I understand accomodating snowbirds, since they spend months here every year, and often maintain local homes etc. They're part of the Florida community. But the vaccine tourism is a different issue. "Single day" visitors are being discouraged, but that amounts to little more than a tsk-tsk from the governor, since vaccination sites aren't going to turn them away.

‘It’s just not fair.’ Florida sends mixed signals to foreigners getting COVID vaccines.

From a public health standpoint they just want a needle in as many arms as possible, as quickly as possible. Every shot is another potential life saved, regardless of where they live. Of course that's easy to say when I'm not one of the people trying to book an appointment and finding all the slots taken.
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>but that amounts to little more than a tsk-tsk from the governor,
What the fuck, I'd think with how astoundingly shitty DeSantis is as a leader and a person that at least the one damn thing such a guy could reliably do is protect your interests against carpetbaggers from up north during a national crisis. If DeSantis is more useless than one tit on a boar why the hell do you even let him stay as the governor? What kind of idiot re-employs a guy like that?

>From a public health standpoint they just want a needle in as many arms as possible, as quickly as possible
Well yeah that is true but maybe given such a limited supply and with more people demanding them you can afford to just give them to people within the state particularly given that your population is so elderly?

I also just found out today that apparently Alex Azar is a fucking liar and there never was any such "national stockpile being kept in reserve" which confused me to begin with because why would you keep such a massive stockpile of vaccines needed much more right now and that can both easily go bad if not kept deeply frozen as well as be of incresingly likited utility as time goes on and this thing mutates further? Speaking of which that's going to be the real worry sooner than later because the disease is both globally endemic as well as rapidly mutating which means, just like with seasonal flu, all of those vaccines are eventually going to become useless.

I'm absolutely astounded by the magnitude of stupidity and incompetence all damn year. I'm speechless. Just imagine if this happened with something as deadly as like MERS, Nipah, or smallpox instead. It could've been a global civilization ending event almost on same order of magnitude as a nuclear exchange. People were still coming and going freely and my real worry is what should happen if this thing mutates into some kind of a super lethal strain while air traffic is being allowed.
>but it would spread less
Mutations are random and if it happens to be capable of transmitting itself while in prodromal phase and simply becomes 20% lethal a couple weeks after exposure it absolutely can spread everywhere. Its cousins have got lethality rates in the 10-40% death toll range which means at least we got stuck with this but at the same time what we've seen is that death rates spike every time the hospital systems get overwhelmed, and the UK variant has already been detected in 14 different states so far.
No. 50867
>If DeSantis is more useless than one tit on a boar why the hell do you even let him stay as the governor? What kind of idiot re-employs a guy like that?
What can I say? Donald Trump put his arm around the guy in 2018, and the rest is history. DeSantis' owes his political rise to the president- which helps explain why he was so loyal to the federal "let them all get sick" Covid plan. Florida is Trump country and the governor isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him.

>UK variant has already been detected in 14 different states so far.
Looks like that's going to be our predominant strain by March:


I see annual Covid vaccines in our future.
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We are the first country in the EU to approve the Russian vaccine for use. We are also going to fast track one of the sinopharm vaccines.
1 million doses of Sputnik V and 1 million doses of the sinopharm vaccine was ordered.
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This obviously isn't propaganda from someone who knows fuck-all about vaccines and I'm going to trust it.
No. 51081 Kontra
They don't know vaccines but they know china. So enjoy.
No. 51082 Kontra
I don't care about butthurt sexpat "china experts" on youtube.
No. 51083 Kontra
Then don't and enjoy Winnie Puh's magical concoction.
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Please be considerate of EC culture sir. The sole reason I didn't close it immediately is because I know who laowhy86 and serpentza are, despite the fact I'm also aware poltards caught onto them. It doesn't help just posting random youtube videos. Again had I not known who this guy is I'd have said the same thing.

[tile painting intensifies]
Sir this is a gentleman's club for serious discussions, not shitposting like it's vierkanal.

It's the "I'm American here's my Chinese wife" guy who married a native Chinese woman and lived in China for awhile before getting butthurt about China.

I ain't watching it but to your point

It's still ultimately just some butthurt vlogger but I'd take this guy more seriously for his "foreigner living in China" take on things
He actually did put out a couple good videos at the start of the pandemic about that. I'd still take it with a grain of salt though.

Fuck it's also setting in real hard now the actual bad situation in my country because we have no vaccines. We're out. There never was a stockpile and we literally ran out of all vaccines, and the virus is still mutating.

Fortunately President Biden just dropped a bunch of air travel restrictions again
oh wow AMLO is positive now too
No. 51130 Kontra
>was told appointments are being booked into April
>check site
>there are no vaccines within 200 miles of me
That's the most shitty and useless administration we ever had. We basically don't have any vaccines.
No. 51135 Kontra
Sorry. I thought people on suspicious sits like this knew about them. Also that jayoe guy you posted got interviewed on Chinese state TV so he can be trusted 100%.
No. 51276
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>1 million doses of Sputnik-V
>1 million doses of one of the Western vaccines
>Orbán decided to order 6 million doses of the Sinopharm shot and announces that he'll be taking the Chinese vaccine because he trusts that one the most
I did not see this one coming 2bh.
No. 51850
How is this thing so infectious across so many species? Isn't it kind of abnormal how much it was able to jump multiple species like that?
No. 51853
>The Sun
That said, there is a german saying "Was lange gärt wird endlich gut".
Who knows how long the virus could develop into the form it eventually took to take the world by storm? I imagine it wasn't just bats.
Maybe it's something all mammals have in common. Or have birds also died from it?
No. 51874
Flu-like viruses attack lung cells, so it can theoretically hop to every animal with a lung, the cells are not that different.
No. 51876
The immune systems are very different, though.
No. 51879
Cross species jumps are typically incredibly rare, and even in the off chance that it happens typically don't actually become infectious and pass between members of the same species. This makes a few viral families which can hop between a variety of species like influenza rather unique.

...all of which is now making me question whether there's any other kind of universal mathematic constants and if you can apply something like the Drake Equation to viruses to come up with what are the odds of things passing by each level of great filter to solve the Fermi paradox. Highly unlikely, but I suspect the adage "as above, so below" holds true for certain mathemical patterns throughout the universe as they're essentially predicated on the same original set of physical laws.

Regardless in the case of viruses in order for it to randomly bang around inside your body, hijack cellular machinery, and keep replicating without destruction by your immune system is the kind of jump WHO and CDC monitors. Nipah for example is non-transmissable. You are bombarded by an incredibly wide variety of viruses and other organisms on a daily basis but very few of them ever manage to take hold. They require rather specific and narrow parameters in order to take hold, reproduce, and transmit, and propagating that signal requires successfully completing a wide array of steps. Bacteriophages are thought to be one of the most common biological materials on the planet but each variant tends to target only one specific species of bacteria, which is why engineered bacteriophages is often considered to be the next step in antimicrobial medicine after all our typically fungal poison based antiobiotics continue to fail. It is largely considered to be "safe" for similar reasons as to why it's perfectly safe to handle garden plants getting wiped out by a plant specific viral I'll infection.
No. 52165
Well, maybe not a constant in itself, but I'm pretty sure there a statistics theorems that give you a certain number to reach a threshold which are applicable to biology and physics or sociology, like critical mass
No. 52187
I am really hoping we aren't still in mask mode by 2022. This pandemic just keeps dragging on and on.
No. 52188
I haven't even worn a mask this entire time yet. Only the convict sates had too.
No. 52202
I still do not understand how this became a thing. Like I get it happening here due to combination of ponerization and the conformity principle in the trumptard Qcult (though why precisely he did that and they believed it is a mystery to me) but I don't get how it could possibly infect people in other countries. It's not that there aren't really stupid gullible people in other countries, but that there's zero context for it. It spread here because Trump wanted to pretend something that made him look bad wasn't happening rather than working to fis it so he tried gaslighting his followers by couching in it in very American terms about "muh liberty muh freedom of choice" (even though it had nothing to do with that and never made a shred of sense for example you can get kicked out of stores for not wearing a shirt or shoes and banks and certain stores could do the same for wearing masks and hats and sunglasses inside) but that I can at least see the progression of how people within this society got manipulated into something so deranged and low IQ within the specific contexts. There are none of those contexts in the UK, Australia, Germany etc. I can't see any dots to connect on how progression went from points A to Z in other lands.
No. 52203
Not him but you assume that these other countries aren't also run by retards. IIRC it's more than half of our cabinet that goes to the same fundie megachurch for example, and some ridiculous percentage of media here is owned by Murdoch, leaving us with some of the worst variety of journalism in the developed world. Our neocons are also increasinly styling themselves off of the American right after seeing its successes. We even have an emerging anti-vax sector to go with our 'religious freedom means freedom to impose my religion on you' types.

Then we were never really hit /that/ hard in most of the country anyway. We have had fewer than 1500 cases, and only 6 deaths during the entire thing in my state for example. The only time there have even been mask mandates is when some new outbreak occurs and the authorities are contact tracing. Once that is done, and things clear over again, you're free to go. So in almost any given moment, the post above is more likely to be "help, other people are voluntarily wearing masks, I'm being oppressed" than any actual point about mandated mask wearing.
t. australien
No. 52206 Kontra
>only six deaths
>whole state
Oh. We've had close to two hundred deaths in my town in the last year (about one in a thousand here got killed by it). Somehow we still have people acting like retards.
>amazing success
That is a profoundly low IQ way to look at it. This was the most spectacular political failure and implosion I've seen in my entire lifetime. I know these people are low IQ, but just...Jesus. This is the first time in almost thirty years that an incumbent president lost the election, and not only did he lose, not only did he go down in scandal and humiliating disgrace, not only did he take the whole party down with him, but he also managed to plunge the party into an internal civil war in the process. How on earth anyone could conclude from all this that's the right way to go or "successful" is beyond me. But then again a large swath of the right has become so mentally unhinged they're fully detached from reality at this point so I guess it shouldn't surprise me as much as it does this is becoming the case globally. I know they developed this bizarre cheerleader mentality about

Now that I think of it, it's literally a brainwashed charismatic cultist mindset of thought control they developed where any negative thought is considered evil, or accepting criticism or failure could be true. I forget the term for it but Heavens Gate and certain political cults like Stalin and Mao seemed to develop it where accepting the existence of a flaw or that their group/goals/leader is not perfect and divinely inspired automatically makes you a "traitor" or "evil" and part of the out-group and thus an enemy.

I guess it just surprises me because while certainly everyone is full of retards it's a very particular American thing happening here and becoming that detached from reality you simply hit Qtard levels of "all the traitors are executed and 'Biden' is actually Trump wearing Biden's face, Trump is still president and we won against the derp state" is not something I expected to have resonance with anybody outside the States, particularly when they not just failed spectacularly with policy or things they can try to spin or do whataboutism, but when their political failure is also plain as day. I am sure however that if they're dumb enough not to realize this approach resulted in historic political defeat, they also are too high on their fumes in some echochamber to realize when they say "but we radicalized so many to our side!" that they likewise fail to appreciate magnitude how hard they solidified and radicalized opposition against them.
No. 52207
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Still ruminating whether its a smart move to remain in the NZ as a minimum wage slave and transition to a study visa to ensure I don't have to go back to Canada. Canada is slowly starting to encroach on dangerous inflationary territory.
Travelling, especially international travel seems like a dead in the water endorsement in the near future and there's no certainty when third world countries will regress back to normal operative measures to host poor wretches like myself.
The porblem of remaining in NZ would be finding housing (impossible) or getting a new license (arduous). Maybe I'll just smack together a cabin in the woods in case the world engulfs into flames as I'm waiting patiently for borders to reopen.
Restarting my life here doesn't seem preferable and beginning an in demand trade while being overtaxed isn't totally appealing, as I'll be stuck living in a van (once I buy one) and working three years until the work to residency visa clears and I'm a naturalized kiwi. If I ever reach this stage I would reckon hopping over to Australia would be a far easier environment to live in and begin a business.
No. 52218
That same movement exists here. My cousin, brother and uncle are all Trump supporters. My uncle was dead set on driving through the state capital with a MAGA flag when Pence refused to accept Biden and when that didn't happen he and my cousin called him a traitor and my cousin said the Capitol riot was an antifa false flag attack, they live in a different world(not to say the left don't either, this is the problem, they both do). The MAGA movement is nowhere near as large but it still exists. However, I don't think that was the cause here really, I think it was just ethnics, quarantine mistakes and some people not caring.

Much of that media is Sky news and news papers, Sky news is not even on commercial TV(though I see it on Youtube now). I don't think they are that influential really. Probably only a few old people see it.
No. 52222
News Corp owns news.com.au, which usually hovers around 9-10 million unique users per month (that's what, ~35-40% of the country's population, higher if you just include adults). They also have non-negligible holdings in Fairfax. Also, consider that a lot of those regional newspapers that they own are the main way that you get local news in those places. State newspapers don't cover the news in every regional centre, so those small papers have a lot of local reach, even if their national importance is pretty low.

And yeah, the whole importation of MAGA to Australia is fucken wild to me. It's absurd how something that's written entirely around 'America' finds fertile soil here with no real changes to the presentation.
No. 52232 Kontra
>My cousin, brother and uncle are all Trump supporters. My uncle was dead set on driving through the state capital with a MAGA flag when Pence refused
Like what the actual fuck? And here I was always thinking it was particularly sad and pathetic to see a bunch of Canadians "cucking" for a foreign nationalist leader and shilling for the leader of another country all the time. At least they share a border with us and linked economies and some sort of shared continental history. The fuck is even the point of that? It's just so much fucking crazier to me when you've got a guy who's an alleged right wing nationalist pretty much directly saying "yeah! Your country first!" It'd be like watching a bunch of people cheering on Borat and singing along with him "...and allll other countries, is ran by lit-tle girlsss"

Really I think that this is why any lofty ideology or movement or system is prone to inevitable failure because its dreamers routinely fail to account for the magnitude of stupidity of the bydlo. This is also why I started calling them NPCs on KC, which much like our feels they simply stole and ran into the ground until it was a dead meme, but even back then when I called 4kanker immigrants NPCs I wouldn't have imagined them dumb enough for all the anti-mask MAGA shit in other countries. I no longer see people like that as Agents. I cannot fathom a person having their own agency and then spouting things that level of absurd, and it makes me realize the ease with which you can brainwash hundreds of millions around the globe with some shitty LARP. For that matter I'd always been convinced thag flat eartherism was just a shitty troll to mock people, but much like the thing about gentlemen pretending to be stupid inviting actual idiots to mistakenly believe they're in good company, it was taken at face value.

Really though a big part of it is a total collapse of faith in our Western institutions, which is I've considered for a couple years now with everything people kept telling me about how one thing which went wrong with Soviet Russia was nobody believing in it anymore. Perhaps it's because all social institutions are truly suspended by belief and pixie dust, and that no longing suspending disbelief is a core component to bringing any civilization crashing down to far greater degree than I'd assumed, which before was the assumption that they simply got too big and unwieldy to sufficiently execute the systems anymore, or that the system had inbuilt problems and inefficiencies, or that it simply had a lack of competent enough people to operate those systems, or some other component that looked too much at the system and not enough at people and belief itself.

The big problem here potentially being, that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy like triggering a run on the banks, which on the wect is coming from right and left right now. Like I personally don't believe in the system at all nor many of its myths anymore at having lived through 2020 America. It was wild. I think that while you can contextualize and intellectualize something like the fall of an empire, you really just can't fully appreciate it or understand it without having directly witnessed the sacking by the Visigoths, the plagues and the superstitions, the cowardice of your merchant guild leaders and open negligence of your "let them eat cake" senators and the sort of mass madness that seizes a society. It changes you and the way you think too, like even now I realized I came to relate to people in my country differently now because any wrong thing said can get you killed, and my worst private realization which is the game theory we saw with say the Church schism and how any failure of society makes negotiators, peacemakers, and skeptics the least likely to survive as the most vocally partisan and deranged pull in opposite directions to where saying anything remotely critical of one camp even if you agree otherwise makes you labelled a traitor and enemy. I just rewatched The Good Shepherd too though, which also shows the extent to which being seen as a turncoat simply makes both sides hate you and so therefore it disincentivizes anyone to break rank even when their camp is being wrong, stupid, or evil. The point this has largely gotten across to me is the wisest thing would probably be to flee the country, because if we have civil war within 10 years neither side would be worth fighting for.
No. 52233 Kontra
But I also think it's really just an extrapolation ultimately of the profound mental illness of people like Stalin, Turkmenbashi, Saddam Hussein, Marshall Applewhite, Mao, Trump, and others like them, that once it cascades through society ponerizes enough of society to change it. Like right now as I said I feel less free in a sense than I'd probably feel under Brezhnev. Everyone here feels like an informant in waiting, until you start noticing in yourself that same willingness because you know they'd do the same to you. It makes you feel like a spy surrounded by strangers, who themselves are all spies and counterspies, and not even your family is trustworthy, and surveillance is throughout everyone's home so the smarter ones watch what they say to whom online, their phones, or worse the morons that actually paid for Big Brother being in there and bought an Alexa. If I had any opportunity to be on TV one of the first things I'd try to do is say Alexa buy hitachi vibrator or something along those lines, and ironically I could make fuckloads of money off it too as a pump and dump by buying stock in company X before working a phrase into the interview to get Alexa to buy pointless shit to troll everybody. The technological infrastructure is profoundly dystopian, and I think we're partly shielded by most people being not as smart as me, at least as lazy, unimaginative etc or just plain distracted like I typically am by leisure to realize and seize the immense power concentrated into every individual's hands, probably coupled with the average bydlo being too tired after work to do anything about it.

Yet the end result of all this technology has been that knowledge exponentially increased, but people know even less. It's easy to forget these are sons of millenia of peasants, and that the societal superstructure is suspended on very precarious things, things that leave us to the whims of ignorant superstitious barbarians when the fragile structure is compromised. Corona 2020 very much answered my question of what it would be like to live through a medieval plague as someone not a monarch. Even with all that knowledge, it's pearls before swine because it simply never occurs to them to access it. I've realized the extent to which those interviews picking on "the ignorant American are true" and how much they recognize someone from The Bachelor or whatever but have no clue who William Barr was for example. I'll sit here watching Kimmel and just be dumbfounded by what these people could possibly think about it, what they fill their time and heads with. It's also made me clearly alien to them because I likewise have no clue who any of these sports players or pop culture figures are, and just typing that out reminds me of Fate of Empires by Glubb.

I suppose the problem now is like you implied one of scope. It's no longer America, but simply the Wect. I guess it likewise boils down to what NT bydlo are, which is driven entirely by emotions and social contexts, to where simply because Trump made them feel something, they internally verified the feeling as being true, and therefore any fact that contradicted what they felt was not true. It adequately explains why their feefees fly in the face of any logic or common sense despite how clearly wrong they are about everything. I guess the question becomes what confluence of social rot created those conditions to where facts and thoughts are irrelevant, and feelings are all that matters now. It's just as true of Qtards as it is of liberalism that prioritizes feefees to call a mentally ill eunuch a woman, just as there are Australian MAGAtards who think Trumptardism was politically successful. Certainly the echo chamber effect of parts of the internet is amplifying that, but it's also clearly to me not causative.
No. 53564
What is the situation doing to your mental health? Or unhealth.

There aren't almost any things I look for in the future now so I just work and live for the moment most of the time and it feels like there is not even a real future as of now. The future went missing.
No. 53570
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The pandemic has been exceptionally good for my mental health actually, thanks. I think a big part of it has to do with the fact I just don't have to deal with people and have an excuse for it, though I suspect I have deeper brain damage than I know about which probably hit my amygdala or something. These days I'm a loner and quite happy with that, plus on top of it I got more free time to do ultimately life affirming projects for myself. This included building my first gaming and multimedia station PC.

It should be noted though that because I've gotten huge piles of plague gibes I really don't have to give a shit about anything and thus worries free hermit existence including the most satisfying feel a man can feel, which is ultimately not giving a shit about your job or allowing your job to own you because you know you can survive for months on end without an income if it came right down to that. I am however massively pissed at my cable company gouging the shit out of me now for $75 a month internet only and so I'm going to need to switch. Seriously fuck those cocksuckers.

In short, my year's been better than ever. Most of my family has been vaccinated now so I no longer worry about the coof with them thanks to a competent vaccine rollout though we still don't have enough. I personally haven't gotten it yet though and may have to wait over a month still despite having qualified over a month ago. So as such, I am indeed a bit more stressed out because having to deal with retards. The pandemic has really changed the way I view other people, particularly my countrymen. I'm now totally divorced from my former conservativism. I'm still uptight about lots of things but it got to the point last summer where those red hats were a mark of chaos and I avoided them, quite literally, like the plague, unlike with their equals the chin masker black people from the hood. So in that regard I was stressed out but I wore a p100 mask during the pandemic because of them.

Even so, I did not go out much. I got to be as much of a hermit as I pleased and raked into thousands of dollars extra I never imagined having. I got kicked off work just enough for jobless gibes. I now have money to invest and a sense of a future. So in return for my constant anxiety about having hospital bills for rolling the dice on stupid prizes, I got enough to work towards a future and erase my anxiety of having no job, no income, no ability to pay bills, which I'm not sure how so many had that problem though I also haven't got a family to support. It should also be noted I watched plague documentaries right before the pandemic and so I was already keyed in on the fact pandemics historically are times of great shifts including big losers and winners and so it's as much a time of opportunity and threat. Some people made big gains from the stock market as much as some had their assets wiped out.

What about you guys? A big deal is made in the oldmedia about mental health but I'd imagine ernsts being largely unaffected unless it worsened anyone's underlying anxiety, which it mostly did not for me except being more on edge with Joe public. One would think particularly Western ernsts had a good time unless they lost someone.
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>Like right now as I said I feel less free in a sense than I'd probably feel under Brezhnev.
Maybe you are right and mental illness does cascade down society.
No. 53576 Kontra
I hardly find any motivation, my last years as a student in another town are going down the drain, my last chance to lead the student life and it's a pandemic crossing it.
Also I feel lonley but given the situation the future of being not lonely looks very bleak. I want to install a dating app but it feels like all dates will be boring and tiresome. I'm not in a good mood and thus I'm not relaxed really when it comes to dates. Perhaps another calm person won't find this problematic, but yeah... well, will have to give it a chance god damn.
No. 53613 Kontra
It's a clichéd old saying, but: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Besides, what do you have to lose?
No. 53726
This, however while true I would also like to add that it isn't just the opportunity cost which you are paying in most of these transactions. Like yes, the worst that can happen when you ask out a girl is she'll say no and maybe your ego will take a brief hit seriously not even le chad maymay gets even close to a 90% hit rate, even those guys can fail with particular, picky, or otherwise fickle single women they got gud long ago which is adding to that success rate by oozing confidence for one thing but you will pay a cost on other areas.

Sorry to go full Hungarian "yes this is true and good, but even so" on you, but I just felt the cliche needed to be point out that you're totally right and I massively agree with you but need to nitpick. Namely, the problem with say an investment is because duh, you can lose your money. It's a gambler's fallacy I see all the time where people get this mentality "you can't win if you don't play." Well yes, but if you are gambling or taking other risks with real costs for instance you also are going to lose your money over time. Taking out a business loan to start up a company matters more than "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

If it's hitting on women though provided you don't have something like a work or inappropriate professional client/provider relationship or somesuch then you really haven't got anything to lose. The thing to keep in mind is whether you're convincing yourself you have something to lose when you don't, and being mature enough to discern when you need to take sensible approaches to things without going YOLO.
No. 53737
Not him, but: I think you miss the point in a way, which is: motivation. You need energy to get anything started. You need some confidence, a "model" of what success will be like, and a true desire to get there.

I, for my part, know nothing but misery, when it comes to relationships. Love is something otherworldly to me. Feeling good is something I somehow am ruled out of. There are things that I can do well, but that doesn't give me any confidence. When people praise me for good work, or show affection, then I feel like an impostor or I prefer to think they actually talk about somebody else. I've been staging a functioning adult for decades, and I don't want anybody to look behind the mask.
No. 53738 Kontra
Okay, so tell us about your lack of motivation, then.
The way you presented your issue in your post was that you feel drained, but also lonely. And the last words of your post were, quite literally,
>well, will have to give it a chance god damn.
Now the question you should ask yourself is: What is worse? Lack of energy or lack of human companionship, or, as I would say in German:

Offensichtlich ist der Leidensdruck noch nicht groß genug, sonst würdest du die Motivation durchaus finden.

Which means that either you're not lonely enough yet or you're too much of a lazy cunt/coward to even get started. To me it seems the latter one, because you describe the problem and hint at the solution, but instantly deliver a number of reasons why it wouldn't work because apparently you don't want it to work.
But in the end, it's all up to you. You think you're missing out on student life? Then do something. Complaining won't help. Or are you a woman who just wants to "get it out of the system"?
No. 53740 Kontra
He did not post it but I did.
The thing is I'm tired, I have no motivation to go on a date even though it's basically the only way to get a chance of intimacy at the moment. So while I'm pressed by lonliness and hornyness, I also lack any motivation to go on a date, because I have nothing to tell, I just don't feel like saying anything to a stranger. Perhaps I could do well by just listening, but you know I'm afraid a lot of bad dates because I go there and I lack motivation to lead a conversation, because I'm so fucking tired (depressed). I know this could totally change.
Anyway, I was asked for my number not long ago, but the girl asked me for money beforehand :D I'm not sure if she is really homeless, she said she moved here recently, maybe she is from the psyciatry or she just does this for fun. I did not gave her my number even though she was attractive, I should have asked her why she asked me for money and why she moved here, at least talking to her was somehow nice, she was quite open in that sense. But we all know it's kinda red flag, that's why I did not gave her my number even though my horny ass asked my why minutes later. I have another meet up next week perhaps, but I don't see it going anywhere. I might make a photo and ask a girl who likes me (she has bf though) what she thinks of it, so that I don't upload trash. I'm not ugly btw. but I'm boring for many people is my impression.
No. 53741 Kontra
Well shit I totally missed the "not him".
Anyhow, the way you are describing it makes it sound like you simply lack the practice. In fact, if a woman is attracted to you, it almost doesn't matter what you are talking about. But you should take the opportunity and just get some practice. See what sticks and what not. Love can't be forced, so I wouldn't expect to find my mate for life from one of those dates anyway. They go in there just for having fun and so should you. Your goal shouldn't be anything but having a good time.
No. 53743 Kontra
I know this, I'm not really afraid of talking to girls. I've met up with two in the last month. But it was rather calm. I'm depressed and mostly think about issues that are not that easy to follow if you don't have read about it yourself, at least so I think, but depending on what the other person is interested in I can also say something ofc to that. So having a good time really depends on the other person in that case, because a lively person will perhaps make my depressive state go away, I have this with my roomate who moved for a few months, she was lively enough so I could laugh and make jokes again. I hardly make any jokes when with girls anymore, bad sign. But it's also because I felt like I need to carry the conversation and make it lively because the other person was not really doing it, at least so I felt at times. Maybe it's just depression clouding it all.
I will get an app soon I guess, summer is coming, I need to take a chance, but I want a new haircut before I take any photos. So maybe this week I will get one.
No. 53744
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Another perspective from someone who is already through this online dating thing:

I engaged in online dating about 8 years ago mainly for the reason that I feared I would regret it if I didn't try. Chatting up women online wasn't much of an issue, but I always felt that my online impression was better than my real world impression, despite everything I was showing and telling about me was honest. But this first catch for me with online dating was that due to my bad RL communication skills I couldn't keep up the impression I made while chatting (where I have lots of time to think about my words) to the point we were actually meeting in person. I was able with some effort to get a good amount of dates with surprisingly beautiful and (mostly) reasonable women, yet for one exception nothing ever developed from it - because it seems I can be charming when writing, but not when talking.

Getting to the point of dating and having the dates itself means investing a lot of time and at least some money to get into a situation I frankly am not really comfortable in. I recognized that the girls are in a similar situation, going into blind dates with guys surely takes some guts, since they must be prepared to run into psychos and perverts from time to time, so that kinda eased my mind a little. Still, while most dates were pleasant and most of the times I wanted to meet the girls again, they refused, with the reason mostly being something along the lines of "yeah it was all nice and stuff, but there was no spark whatsoever". Of course that might have been a lie because they didn't want to hurt my feelings, but given how the dates went I think it was credible.

Of course I thought about that and why it turns out that way. I think the main reason for this is that you meet outside your social circle, so no one of you is able to observe the "normal" behaviour of the other. While on blind dates it is only reasonable to act a little cautious to avoid blunders and you know who you are dealing with, and that leads to an atmosphere which is less likely to result in any kind of bonding, like an ordinary date, where you already know who you're meeting up with. This I fear is especially true for socially awkward people like me - and when I say socially awkward then in this context just think about someone who has no problem whatsoever doing small talk or talk to women in general, but flirting is basically moonspeak to me. Maybe this can be learned to a degree, but it would still only be an emulation of what comes naturally for most other people.

That said: It actually worked out once and I got me a girlfriend - for a few weeks, until we broke up again for reasons I already saw coming before we got together, but since she was cute and nice (and yes, I was desperate) I thought I'd try anyway. That girl proactively showed inteerst in me, which means that all the women I ever got (and that weren't many) showed interest in me first, while the counter of women I got that I was interested in first firmly stands at zero. I confirmend that also in online dating not all women are the same. In fact the differences are huge, and that I'm not always able to spot those differences before they hit me in the face (the differences, not the women).

Summary: Can't say if it was worth it, that would hugely depend on your definition of what is worth something in life. If you just count in the times I actually got laid, it probably wasn't worth the effort. If one also considers what I learnt along the way, then I don't know, maybe yes, maybe no. Since everyone is different and thus wull react differently to the situations I experienced, everyone who considers online dating will have to make their own experiences anyway and see if it contributes something to your life.
No. 53745
>because it seems I can be charming when writing, but not when talking.

When writing I am Oscar Wilde, when meeting in person I am the hairy peasant I actually am. I blame that on a lack of actual talking throughout my formative years. My ex was the opposite. She HATED silence and had to fill it somehow, even if it was just inane chattering (which it was most of the time). But since she had so much practice talking she could just talk me into the ground, despite clearly being not as smart as me. That's what you get for being an assburger. I remember a situation when we met her best friend. I felt like in an episode of Gilmore Girls, it was just blablabl-blublubulb-balablabla back and forth at an insane speed. Whenever I thought I could add something to the conversation, they were already three topics beyond that before I was even able to form a single sound. So I just sat there and concentrated on keeping my head from exploding.

However, what I noticed when talking to women - and that is something people might not want to hear because it's also colported by pickup artists - is that being a loudmouth is a GOOD thing. Not being belligerent, but if you believably present yourself as a hotshot, women will buy into that. Even better if you can actually deliver on what you promise. Couple that with "negging" - again, not belligerently - and they will at least not consider you a bore.

Coming back to the talking/writing thing, some years ago I was visiting a friend and had a nice chat with a girl friend of his. She even asked him for my number. What followed was like half a year of VERY steamy SMS (yes, it's been that long) and eventually we agreed to meet. I took a train and my blue balls crossing the republic. In the evening we met, almost instantly after I left the train. Of course I wasn't really fresh from the travel, with a flannel shirt and beanie and my huge backpack. She wore a rather tight dress. The plan was to meet up again the next evening. The day after I got a message "something something my best friend got dumped I have to console her blablabal". Of course it was bullshit, but being the betachad I was I replied something like "No worry I can take of your both ;)", but she declined that too. I spend the evening with my friend watching some Stallone movie and drinking and the next day I drove home and never heard of her ever since. The moral of the story: Don't drive 600km just for sex. So viel ist keine Frau wert. monarch.gif
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This said, it feels like people are forced into switching to online seduction mannerisms which is nothing less than a psychological strategy meant to offer both validation and attention to the parties involved (ie initiator and recipient).

Why not be blunt about one's interests and actively pursue the things one yearns for? It is not an issue with Ernst, it's just that they get stuck in a loop of overthinking when women conceive the simplest of strategies and engage in a shameless vendetta with other members of the same sex, all the while perpetuating a set of generic, socially-accepted norms and showcasing their ephemeral goods.

Is it the ephemeral goods they're already letting you know they are up for exchanging or a seriously derp conversation what you want?
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Writing is different then meeting and I saw a video that said, don't text too long, you get attached to a persons writing and shit, not RL behavior so to speak.
I think you don't need to mark the bigshot, some women will laugh about it secretly. I mean I follow girls on twitter that I think I'd like to date, they are funny and politically as well as socioeconomic status quite same. These girls voice their dating experience as well and it's interesting too see how they make fun of bigshots or guys that think they are special, but they just play the guitar and play a cringey song for the girl. I think it isn't easy to say if you are compatible with a girl or not. Yet I'd say you still need the laughter at least. Something that makes you feel good.

In other news, I just met a girl I only know from online class and I crushed on her, oh my god. Her voice and her articulation just made me fall in love a bit. So she noticed me first and smiled and I was confused at first, but then got that its her and I said oh hey while we were passing each other and I turned a bit round, saw her smile and saying a rather quite hey. That was it....fuck fuck fuck fuck, why? Why did I not say something else, like, hey its you X, isn't it? Something, just something.

That way I might have saved the fucking dating app, fuck, it's nearly always the same, I've let slip so many chances, people will cry out loud when the hear it.
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I would also prefer if it was as easy and quick as "hey babe u want sum fuk?", but there are certain societal expectations blablabla your average woman will adhere to.
You could be that blunt with a smart one that also wants sex, but not with your average retard.

Remember that those are a very small subset. And being attentionwhores I would take their statement with a grain of salt "yeah I totally dumped that guy because he was a showoff and he didn't dump me because I'm a boring hole with no interesting qualities, I swear!". It's the kind of woman who complains about the guy being bad in bed, but one person can't make good sex, so she's at fault, too.
I got two girlfriends just with my big mouth. And remember that I said "believably". Claiming you're in a band and then play Wonderwall is not believable, but showing her your demo on youtube is. Claiming you're a ninja warrior participant and doing backflips is just rudely showing off (though maybe showing presenting your sixpack will help). These are shitty examples, but maybe I was a bit too uncouth in my words and you know what I mean.
I never claim anything I can't do, but I know a few common quotes by classical authors and have at least a modicum of knowledge in all kinds of topics, save for art history and whatever gossip bullshit is there right now, so I can at least appear as someone who can keep up a conversation. I never CLAIM I can do anything, I just ACT like it. And when I claim something I am prepared to keep up on my promise and that certainly makes a good impression if it's in good humor. You're there to have fun, not for a job interview.
The third point is wisely choosing your fights. I like assertive women who can communicate, keep up a conversation on their own, whom I can have a proper discussion with, who have wit. Most women aren't like that, they are boring, without any actual interests (or some pretentious superficialities to appear cultivated) and you can rather easily find that out already when chatting. Always replying with a single word or something like that is already a red flag. If she's hot enough you might try to pursue further, but hot also doesn't mean good at sex, remember that.
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Well I guess these women are bored by certain types of men, just like you and I are bored of certain types of women, whatever these are. I also like assertive women who carry a conversation, yet my ex was not assertive, we had energy between us quite fast nonetheless. Showing off by doing what you do anyway is not showing off to me.
I think that what they complain about is the same thing I would complain about, you met people but there is no spark, because it's a typical process most of the times with online dating. But what we want is something that really stings us, a spark. It's a bad thing that people don't give second chances when there as been no big spark the first time, yet I'm the same, I want an itch, a reminder, a feel that goes beyond: ok the person is ok, but we had nothing special, no movement.
Keep in mind these women have certain habitus, if they meet up with guys who do not share it, it's not their fault, there is no reason to hate these woman. But I understand them in a way, as I imagine I would be bored most of the times, yet I would bore many people as well. No judgements, it's just tiring to find a person that hits you really. Most of the times you realize how clicheed a date is and that is the uncomfortable feel disturbing it. Also maybe you showing off is what these people have seen so often they are not interested, an you shouldn't take that as a personal attack btw.
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>it's just tiring to find a person that hits you really
See, and that's the main mistake lots of people make. As written earlier, you can't force it. I mean there are like what, four billion women on this planet? And you have access to a subset of a few million? Statistically speaking you are bound to never meet "the one" unless you really meet A LOT of women. That is why I say to just enjoy the ride and have fun. If you meet someone you want to stay with for longer, you BOTH have to make it work anyway. But until then, just trying and testing is the best strategy one can take.
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I'm not waiting for "the one", there are many tbh. But yeah you stil need to meet them between all the others. And yeah there is nothing else to do then going for the probabilities route and meet as many as possible :DDD well it depends on where you fish though, a pond with bydlo women won't help in increasing chances.