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Showgirls (1995)
Very unhinged & all over the place, still quite enjoyable, interesting ending. Somewhere between Spring Breakers & Mulholland Drive, whatever that means.

My Friend Ivan Lapshin (1985)
Great little movie by Aleksei German centered around the eponymous character of a police investigator, but almost as much about the people around him. It covers various issues (some rather serious, e.g. organized crime & suicide) during the 1930s in Russia in an oddly wholesome & I suppose nostalgic way. There's something of an anti-plot, any time something happens that could lead to change, it is reverted, and not that much has changed in the end.
It also showcases his penchant for messy scenes involving many actors, often talking at the same time and the drifting POV camera that tends to highlight minor characters, later to be perfected in his posthumously released magnum opus Hard to Be a God (2013).

>Chapayev (1934)
Noice, been meaning to watch it since I read Pelevin's Chapayev & Void (though his Chapayev is very different from the folk hero)

Also there's tons of terrible Chapayev joges, through which he is mostly remembered afaik.
- Grandfather, did you know Chapayev?
- Of course.
- Really, did you fight with him?
- No, I've seen the movie.

>If you like Zhang I super recommend "Keep cool". It's absolutely different but it rules.
Thx, looks "cool" :D
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Not super spectacular it has its ups and downs but only according to my POV. A nice film overall.

Thx because Showgirls had a lot of bad press here. Never paid too much attention because of the subject, but if it have had better reviews I would have watched it, because I dug Verheoven [sic]
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The third Adventure Time Distant Lands episode dropped yesterday. All three episodes have been fun so far imo, so in case some of y'all enjoyed AT but missed the whole Distant Lands thing check it out.
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Watch it, I feel I was a little too harsh. It's fun and on youtube.
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Fassbinder's take on the whole cybernetisation/simulation theory theme. It must've been quite ahead of its time 50 years ago, but the plot feels very played out and predictable nowadays. It was filmed for TV and it shows in the stiff acting (though that rather fits with the story) and very noticeable dubbing.
What redeems it is Fassbinder's imaginative cinematography with the stylized blocking and heavy use of mirrors for framing (to a rather ridiculous degree tbh - it's anything but subtle), also heavy use of background music and interesting set designs.
There's also a nod to Godard's Alphaville by starring its main actor Eddie Constantine in a cameo role.
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Howl's Moving Castle (2004)
Really loved the beginning but was somewhat let down by the story which felt like it lacked some real climax. Also weird to have a grandma as the main character - but gotta respect Miyazaki for changing things up. Still really enjoyed it due to the interesting characters, light-hearted comedy elements and ofc the stunning visuals.

Cutter's Way (1981)
Great neo-noir about a fading gigolo (Jeff Bridges) and his crippled Vietnam veteran friend Cutter trying to blackmail an oil mogul whom they think killed a young hooker. There is a whole layer of romance drama as there's a love triangle between the two and Cutter's depressed and alcoholic wife. Loved these three main characters, especially John Heard's performance as the witty & increasingly deranged Cutter is great. The open ending feels somewhat unsatisfying but I think it's fitting considering the emotional climax that precedes it.

>Showgirls had a lot of bad press here
Yeah, I also read that it wasn't marketed correctly so people had some wrong expectations - might also explain the weirdly broad rating curve.
I think it's very Verhoeven - entertaining and indulgent on the surface but some deeper commentary at its core.
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I watched it like 3 weeks ago or so and I liked the visuals a lot. Though at parts it was like a German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
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So I did & quite liked it, thanks for the nudge.

At first it seemed rather ridiculous but through the comedic scenes it drew me to also enjoy the drama of the second half, which was pretty simple but well done. All things considered, it's not even as blatantly propagandastic as I expected it to be, though I suppose that's also why it was so successful.

>German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
Kinda, though the main actor basically has zero charisma & constantly looks uncomfortable... Or is that implied in German :D
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Yeah, I think the movie itself is redeemed by the comedic aspects. You begin liking the characters because they can be consistently funny. Even Chapayev reenacting battles with potatoes as he shouts his military theories is a good scene because it makes you like the characters. Still, even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well. The relationship between the commissar and the capable army commander are how the party wanted to portray itself during this benevolent and mutually respecting alliance. The commissar isn't there to ensure political loyalty of the army, but to help its yokel leader has much needed help. Made for a population that experienced the revolution, the movie manages to masterfully both admit to looting by the red army and pin it on these willful saboteurs that also go on to try and sabotage the revolution by telling troops to disband.

I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold though and Babochkin makes Chapayev somehow feel like a realistic character.
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Paris, Texas (1984)

Beautiful road movie, kinda simple but well composed visuals with lots of Texas desert landscapes, embellished with a moddy guitar soundtrack. Career-defining performance by Harry Dean Stanton & everyone else is great too. Manages to be sweet without being saccharine and dramatic without being overly sentimental.

City of God (2002)

Well watchable, but quite overrated. The gritty based on a real story™ story of violence at its core gets diluted by the gimmicky editing and constant smug voice-overs. Some nice visual stuff technically but it would be more at home in a Guy Ritchie or John Woo tier action movie.

>even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well.
You're right, maybe I gave it too much credit in that regard. But it also made me think about how much propaganda tier tropes are peddled in other movies where nobody really talks about it.

>I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold
Oh yeah lol, reminded me of the similar scene in Barry Lyndon
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Robocop aged super well. Worth mentioning a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film". Mind blowing, that analysis. It's the years that make one appreciate more other aspects of the film.

Film in pic: Masterpiece. All glory to Hong Kong.
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60 Days In
A fun little romp through modern Americana where all of us are a hair's breadth away from making one mistake or another that lands you there. Of course some of us are playing with weighted dice. The interesting thing about it to me is the fact that a lot of Americans really do sincerely have this dehumanized view of not just inmates but anybody who has ever gone to jail despite the fact literally all of us know someone who has been to jail and most of us do or have done shit that easily could've gotten us in the slammer. It really reminds me of things like the Stanford Prison Experiment and Rat Park. Milgrim also to a lesser extent.

Also fun personal experiment, if I told you one of those people in pic related was a pedophile IRL, which would you guess?
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>which would you guess?
Third row down, the guy in the 3rd column from the left. Can't really say why, other than he looks really unhappy to be there.
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I figured he'd be most people's first guessif they're going more on a stereotypehe's actually just kind of a scared dweeb irl who wants to be a jailer for some reason in fairness they generally all look differing levels of unhappy but I'm pretty sure it's a pose during pre-production selection. Who would be your second guess if you had to pic two?

I'll also just straight up post torrent links because I know people are lazy. It's crazy they even got away with doing this shit for six seasons because you'd think the inmates would've eventually heard of the show and talked about it by later seasons and started getting suspicious about the "prison documentary"and you'd be perfectly right the inmates in two separate seasons accused the film crew of doing 60 Days In.

I'm really on the fence about this which is partly why I think it's great. On one hand it is really super exploitative and on top of that it's directly jamming those real inmates up with very real additional charges. On the other it's also getting lots of guards fired and directly exposing America to the horrendous problem of the system and need for criminal justice reform. I've had more intense contradictory feelings about this than I think I have anything in like a decade. It's also somehow perfectly emblematic of modern America: a bunch of regular people signing up with a Hollywood production company to go to a real jail for money and to "do missions" for the jail warden in tightening his ship. I'm not even sure how you could possibly make a show more modern America than that.
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I take the chick, second from the top right, looks like one of those teachers who got caught with a boy.
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King Lear (1970)

Faithful Russian adaptation of the Shakespeare classic with a score by Shostakovich. Good but nothing too imaginative.

Sunset Boulevard (1950)

Classic noir about a down on his luck writer who gets into a sugar mama relationship with an aged silent movie star who can't come to terms with the end of her career. It's interesting and quite influential (esp. as a "Hollywood movie as critique of Hollywood"), but the references to silent movies and the "Old Hollywood" were somewhat lost on me. Some cool scenes, but overall a bit disappointed considering the accolades it gets.

Down House (2001)

Absurd & surreal "adaptation" of Dostoyevsky's Idiot set in 90s Russia with its gangsters & eccentrics. The plot is quite threadbare, it's mostly just a collection of surreal sketches, made funny due to the consistently deadpan delivery from all characters.
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>Who would be your second guess
Top row, the man in the upper-right corner.

I've flipped past this series on TV and never knew the premise. So people will literally go to jail to be part of a reality show. Stephen King's Running Man is not far off. The book, not the movie. They're totally different, and only share the basic 'dangerous reality game-show' premise. In the book their are numerous games, and the contestants are poor people who have no other way to make money.
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Watched High Plains Drifter. It's a Western directed by Clint Eastwood that is heavily influenced by spaghetti Westerns he used to star in, although unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) it is not as epic as they were. The premise is fairly cliched and resembles a mix between High Noon and A Fistful of Dollars — townspeople ask a gunslinger for help fighting off criminals who are about to be released from prison and who hold a grudge against the town — but there is a dark twist, and in the last act the movie steers right into magical realism bordering on actual horror. The soundtrack is made to correspond the movie's mood as well: instead of pure Morricone kickassery which is to be expected of spaghetti-like Western, the music is more haunting and eerie. Overall, a very nice movie about revenge peppered with some dark humor and (probably) supernatural elements.

>Sunset Boulevard
The thing I liked the most about it is Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself. The last scene is a total 10/10.
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Well I think that the added fact is I think these guys make something like thirty grand for completing their contract and so yeah, it does sort of just go to show that absolute sickness inherently built in to the structure of society which we usually just spackled over with false patriotism before, like how becoming a .mil guy gets this retarded hero worship when the fact is it's a place to go for rural poor farmer's sons and kids trying to escape the gang violence of the streets and basically getting paid to be a merc enforcer for the establishment. I always look down on "thank you for your service" civilians a bit, like they're such retards they'd think to invite the guy out to look at his gun cabinet as some bonding moment like "we have so much in common bro I wish I joined the marines bro" when he's looking at his rack like man toys and the marine is just standing there like "uh yeah. They're tools. For killing." Actually I'd say the one really most honest thing to say about it is you're not fighting for "freedom" or your country, you're fighting for the guy beside you.

There's this one really hilarious scene with this old black guy claiming to be a marine...in a pod full of Bloods...with 3-4 different vets one of whom was not from the show and had some traumatic brain injury and PTSD'd to fuck and back and they had to get the white boys explaining how what that guy is doing is basically like falsely claiming to be in a gang and that's why the vets all wanted to G-check his ass for it. I think that show really does end up being partly unconsciously an incredibly prescient documentary and commnetary on America. I don't have any idea how FPSRussia didn't get his ass beat for being a snitch when he revealed his prison term was two months although I guess the inmates could've had someone look his videos up and his case to find out he's legit. He didn't have any paperwork either and I think not having my paperwork would scare the shit out of me.

I find it really interesting what you guys are seeing and I'm honestly really surprised by all this. She's a gay cop IRL. I'd expect y'all to key in on Jeff who is security and his dream job is CO for some reason much to the doubtintensifies of everyone that knows him IRL and who yeah I'd expect to get pegged as a chomo the minute he set foot but I honestly didn't get any chomo vibe off him.

I should really take pains in pointing out not one of them has been charged or IRL allegations afaik and so this is entirely my personal opinion, but my immediate instinct was chomo that I started thinking through the show was just this weird fruity guy, until I saw him again in a where are they now. If you don't want to keep guessing this is the spoiler and you'll now see why
Now you'll know why I'm convinced he has childporn on his drives somewhere. I think he's likely molested one of his young girl students. How in the FUCK that guy got his job is absolutely beyond me.

I find it interesting fact alarm bells went off to me the moment I saw him later rationalized away as "might just be a weird dude" which also made me realize the truism to always trust your first instinct about people is indeed true and your mind just rationalizes your gut instinct away later. I also realized looking at commnetary things about how people think and perceive each other and how among the many people that rightly picked him out as being off in a sinister way usually pegged him as a psychopath killer type because their brains aren't trained to recognize things imo kinda like how NTs assume "schizophrenia" along with stereotyping non-clinical signs for any shit they don't understand about mental illness. I am utterly convinced Robert is a child molester. That towel is the smartest thing he ever did in his life because he ever told anyone what he did for a living he'd not leave jail alive.
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It also struck me what flamboyant social camouflage pedos are willing to use, which come to think of it Gacy did something similar. Adult serial killers all seem to be lowkey and keep a low profile appearing as normal as possible. I'd have assumed chomos do the same thing but I'm learning they probably use flamboyant social colors to get close to kids and publicly excuse their own weirdnesses, and shockingly it seems to work on a lot of people. I am obviously someone who'd have a deep interest in law enforcement if I could be a predator against chomos than do stupid shit like drug laws and copywrite enforcement

Sorry for prattling on it's just become a really interesting show to me from so many angles. It's also really amusing just how many law enforcement professionals either bitched out immediately or quit working LEO altogether after what they'd seen. There are also some SHOCKINGLY unrealistic and naive people that somefucking how managed to get past the screening process and get into that show, one of whom got called out for torpedoing an entire season in spite of allegedly being "street smart" and another dumbass who basically was a cop that became full on inmate and torpedoed another season. It really makes me wonder how they put this show together and all the material they just didn't use because you know they're making like 50 times as much footage than what is shown.

It's also I think really interesting that to this day when psych majors think about doing a Stanford Prison Experiment it's called unethical, but meanwhile when done for money as a reality show is given a pass while being perhaps the most wildly professionally unethical thing I've ever seen outside intelligence community antics and is otherwise a wonderful psych opportunity but clearly the problem is the structure wants to reassert itself, when the show is revealing point blank how the system accomplishes the opposite of anything good. It corrupts the guards, it corrupts the courts, it corrupts the inmates and innocent people, and at the end of the day it seems directly exposing not only innocents but cops and COs themselves to it totally busts their belief in the system.

I've never seen more solid proof that incarceration is a cruel and unusual punishmnet that accomplishes fuckall but turning people who have a few fixable problems into utterly dangerous people loose on society. There are two places I usually never wish on anybody: hell and prison. Except for chomos and terrorists. But even that is super cruel and morally cowardly because society hasn't got the balls to take moral accountability for itself and instead hands out these two year prison sentences for raping 4 year olds and expects some poor guy who maybe is doing 5-10 and could still make something of himself turning to a lifer without parole for taking care of what we all want to do and have happen and doing it behind closed doors. It makes me think of the Joker scene from that Batman movie, where these cowardly pricks want to detonate the other boat but no one wants to pull the trigger. I think we need to agree as a society to rewrite the laws and make possession non-criminal while imposing the death penalty on pedos and leave the inmates out of it.

I think the prison industrial complex needs privatization flatly banned and it's having a way worse ripple effect on society than people imagine, that we should work harder to reintegrate people who made mistakes, and that we should strive for maximum FREEDOM as possible and that the entire modern American police state is as anti-American as possible and that everything about what we are doing is wrong and as a result it's turned possibly a majority of Americans against law enforcement which in turn makes it harder for them to protect us from actual bad guys while making them into even more of a corrupt lawless gang with badges. It's also super obvious to me now it's an entire system and not just one piece of pipeline that's within that system fucking us up. I keep thinking about the public schools and the way it's run as a penal system all the moreso after Columbine, and how that small problem like a kid in foster care ends up being a literal product of the system later with a life sentence.

Oh and one last thing, is this one black girl I found interesting how it's almost like she's a sociopath that adopted absolutely the worst fucking aspects of huwhite culture. If you see the show you'll know immediately. Got herself the whitest looking boyfriend as possible and moved to the 'burbs away from her inner city jailbird family and acted like a complete backstabbing sociopath which itself became an interesting race commentary to me because it was like seeing how a black person thinks white people are and what being middleclass white is outside looking in, and it just feels awful knowing she's unwittingly making a strong point on how shitty and untrustworthy we are sometimes.
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The private sphere probably has far more lax ethical constraints. Academia is very heavy on them. That'd be the disparity if I had to guess.

That said, I dunno if the show is really eye opening. The show isn't showing anything that's not already known about prisons, and at this point, you've got to want to be a prison apologist to not think the system is broken. Seems more like the usual misery porn that you get on TV.
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"Per Aspera Ad Astra" or "Bald lady stares at camera for 2 hours". Typical for Soviet sci-fi setting: Earthlings living in advanced communist society deal with backward aliens.
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It may appear from my post that I didn't like the film (because I mocked it and then called it typical), but it's cool.
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That's like saying any documentary on ISIS, the Taliban, or smoking crystal meth isn't eye opening. It's like the difference between saying yeah it's bad and knowing why is it bad. What you stated is the Dunning Kruger effect tier because we all can say and know something is bad but your mind fills in all these blanks it doesn't even know it has about the actual reality.

Also since inmates all practice their own omerta there's a lot left out, or they don't like talking about it like some dude back from a war. One tiny example is buck 90s. Some woman on YT was talking about jilted lesbians heating mayo in the microwave til it was scalding oil and melting a woman's face off with it, and Jay Williams confirmed the same was done with coffee and baby oil. There's a ton of stuff I did not know or think about before and the full effect it really does have on a person even after short times, and even then I get the overwhelming sense of how much is left out. The hospital/detox/institutional practices are human rights violations. Just starving these inmates alone and constantly fucking with their sleep is quite literally military intelligence tactics of interrogation. They're not even interrogating anybody. It made me lose almost all respect for vets becoming COs and whether the problem isn't even the civvies power tripping, but soldiers themselves coming back treating us like Iraqis which in turn makes me question the magnitude of what they did over there. The prisons themselves are often run by uneducated retards or vets. One old school friend I knew as a druggie and delinquent became a CO so it makes me wonder what he did.

To me it is eye opening and I live here. On top of the random psychological abuse which again most people aren't going to key in on why it's so sinister because they won't see the interrogation tactic or dehumanization and on top of that no wonder they're willing to shank a dude over some Fritos. It's been having a change on me and I now have the conviction I should never call the cops on anyone that's not a terrorist including incel shooters or a sex offender, which already I was loathe to do.

I could go on about this all day but it makes me double back on a lot of personal stuff. Like just the way cops treated me when I tried returning a lost wallet. The way calling the cops for help may get you shot and in my personal experience they're more likely to be the reasonable ones. It's also illuminating how much these fatass jail guards crumple like tissue paper.

I dunno. Maybe this is a national component too neither of us realize as much. Aussies I'm sure are pricks too but I feel like I'm talking about a special circumstance and angle as an American with my country's own system because I actually see familiarity in my homeland.
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You know an interesting observation I just realized is my unwillingness to go to hospitals for any reasom but imminent death or severe health problems is predicated on the fact they remind me of schools and prisons and I don't expect a single person be they a cop a teacher or a doctor or therapist to actually help me but instead try to control me and strip me of my money and freedoms. Like that is literally the reason I avoid doctors and often veer into treating them like a CO or something and approach each with the trepidation of trust being violated. I'd never consciously thought about it before. I'd never go to a therapist with a mental health crisis for similar reasons even though some people said they liked theirs, many said they're useless, one guy in particular I know who just wanted help with his depression got locked in literally jail like unit with a 72 hour mental health hold. My one parent said a similar thing but was smart enough when they was in college to snap to their circumstance and begin lying and manipulating them which is just as well because I suspect that hospital was an MK site in her day. Parent realized at that moment honest communication was impossible and this has been my routine experience. I effectively manipulated doctors into giving me medication for my hypertension.

So there's that. It's just a weird thing to realize. Trying to get any kind of professional help be it medical, police, mental whatever only stupid and naive people do or utterly desperate ones with no other options. It's not all bad but even a hospital feels like jail.
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Thing is, that it's really not hard to find that shit out without doing dodgy borderline entrapment shit like that show does at times.

The details of human rights violations at our prisons and concentration camps are well known here, unless you are actively burying your head in the sand because it's not even hidden. I mean, if you needed an A&E show to tell you that COs are sadistic cunts, and that prisons engage in psychological torture, then you weren't engaging with the information that was out there to begin with.

And before you go 'well that's Australia' consider that they do our offshore detention in foreign countries to make sure that they can hide what's going on there as best they can, up to smuggling prisoner accounts out on a smartphone. The problems in the American prison system are far more open to discovery.
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What I mean by not hidden is that it's on mainstream news even. Not that the government doesn't try and hide it. Just to clarify some bad wording there.
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This is true and the moment I discovered straya had an offshore KZ I immediately suspected torture and murders was happening there, probably mass rape of women also. It's a strange thing because it seems like Australia as a whole isn't shit to me but like you have this compartmentalized deep state or something alongside your absolutely shite politics.

As to what else you said it's more about connecting all the disparate pieces in my mind and finally actually seeing both the little granular details as well as broader whole. I've been in trouble in school before so I can even see that system existing within a compulsory system which utterly scares me thinking how much worse it changed since I finally got out but do know metal turnstyles, armed cops wandering halls, catching real charges for stupid shit we used to just get detention/in school suspension for doing has become the norm. No wonder then that all these zoomers begun acting like complete fucking faggots. Why wouldn't they embrace extremist politics when literally their whole lives they got institutionalized and never saw freedom? Of course they'd turn fascist because it's ultimately not much different at this point.

Oh and as for overseas things, we all know some of those blacksites basically just had CIA/others overseeing a national doing the torture because then CIA doesn't need to answer for it because technically it wasn't them directly doing it.
I can't find it right now but that guy was talking about how they'd do things like tie nylon rope around a detainees dick after feeding him lots of water and lot his dick rot off and bladder burst. Keep in mind, they were doing this to suspects, not actual people who frankly objectively speaking were fighting foreign invaders
Ah fuck I can't find it now but I read one article by a female Iraqi journalist who got abducted to one of those sites, and knew the guy with Monstro tattooed on his fat gut. Lemme try other keys ah shit I can't find her article but this only gives a surface scratch
See the thing is--and now this is what I am wondering--a lot of these guys came back and became cops or somehow involved in law enforcement so at the same time I wondering not just about MRAPS and automatic weapons etc surplus donated to police departments but also what these guys bring with them to law enforcement, psrticularly towards brown people.

I honestly was most horrified by ISIS at first because of those orange jumpsuits and ai recognized most Americans would be way too retarded and ignorant to understand a message loud and clear to me: you did this to us. This is what you did to us. Now we will abduct you and torture you and murder you the same you did it to us. It's obvious a shitload of ISIS fighters learned some of it directly from their experiences with what we were doing over there. I'd still have ended up fighting ISIS if we went to war obviously but it's really showing me all the overall pieces of the system and that it is actual policy and we are effectively dealt with as a captive labour force and pseudo inmates, and that sooner or later the insitutionalization is going to become so total, the corruption and rot so deep, that a massive civil war and brutal crackdowns will become inevitable. When you make everybody a convict nobody is a convict, just people, and all that's left is the guards and now they're The Enemy. What else can you see them as when they directly look at and treat you as the enemy?
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This Vice story is the kind of shit I'm talking about and now I'm really curious to what extent this even happens on other countries
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We also had Abu Ghraib tier shit going on within the country, and we do it on kids. We have a weirdly good image for an absolute turd of a country.

'Perks' of being rich and wectoid.

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Sad and comedic. Nice format, nice Jack Black. Good film.
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It's really sad that I read that and automatically assume someone must be making money or having an agenda on letting that article get published in corporate media at all. Are these state run facilities? Is this all just so they can have for profit juvenile gitmos? I think it's saying something terrible that we're all so jaded and cynical now the very act of doing your job in journalism is disbelieved as done sincerely.
We also had this
No. 55167
Nah, that's the Territorial government. If my understanding is correct (and I'm pretty sure it is), this is similar to how it works in the US, where you have a local government which is totally subordinate to the Federal one, unlike States which have their own mandates.
So nah, can't even blame for-profit prisons in this case. Just this country being fuggen evil for the thrill of it. Also, Four Corners is pretty good investigative journalism. They go after some real soft spots. IIRC it was them digging into the story on our War Crimes being buried that got the ABC raided by the feds that time on the basis of 'national security' lmao.
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Close-Up (1990)
Part documentary footage of a trial, part reenactment by the parties involved of a real incident where a poor cinephile impersonated a famous Iranian director and solicited favors from a family by pretending to be interested in casting them for a movie. And, ironically, they actually all end up starring in a film.
Maybe, it's not entirely fair, but I'd say it's one of those movies that are supposed to really make you think™, so if you don't enjoy that, you won't get much out of it. There's a decent video essay covering some of the angles to approach it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIdjAKZUnw

Otaku no Video (1991)
Part self-aggrandizement, part self-critique of otaku culture by Studio Gainax (of i.e. Neon Genesis Evangelion fame). The main narrative is a trope-y anime set in the 80s about a regular university student who gives up on his social life and becomes an otaku, gets dumped by his girlfriend because of it and ends up creating an anime studio with his otaku friends called Giant X (=Gainax).
This story is interrupted by staged interviews with different otaku types that portray some darker aspects of the otaku lifestyle in a mockumentary fashion. Also in the vein of critique, as the timeline in the anime narrative progresses, there appear title cards with headlines from important world events at that time, to which the anime characters/otaku are of course painfully oblivious.

>a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film"
Noice, checked it out. Funnily enough, the first and last scenes of Showgirls are also symmetrical, not so sure about the rest of the movie though.

>Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself
Oh yeah, I think getting this reference makes it more interesting, I only read about it after watching. Also Cecil DeMille is playing himself as the director and the butler (Von Stroheim) also used to be a director, and there's even more cameos by industry people from that era IIRC.

>The last scene is a total 10/10.
For sure, without that scene the movie wouldn't have been half as good. It works so well since it comes as a surprise after the "ending" is already spoiled at the beginning of the movie, but I feel like this trick takes some suspense out of the rest of the movie.
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Woh, actually I grabbed this film because is produced by Roger Corman. Coppola as a director? I don't care, lol. Too much uninteresting films I have seen from him. Corman is the real deal. That low budget permeates into everything and makes the films have an inner life.

American, listen to me: Roger Corman is one of the best artists from your country, he needs squares, libraries, streets, aircraft carriers named after him.

>pics 3 and 4
It seems they managed to do it, no?
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neat. The only Soviet sci/fi film I have watched is Solaris, and now I thought... "I think they never talk about politics in that film". I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
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Somewhat silly and chaotic but I liked it. I felt insulted zero times. And spectacular. Curious because the flaming skull ended up having personality, like in "uh? The skull ended up being more convincing than Cage? uh?". Nevermind, I like Cage. DVD status? Keeping it for now because it has commentaries and I like commentaries
No. 55206
Ghost Rider 1 is one of the two films I know I have seen, but have zero recollection of (the other being the third or fourth Resident Evil where they are in the desert).
That said, the second one was very silly, but in a good way, and very entertaining.
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The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973)

Masterpiece of surreal cinema by Polish director Wojciech Has. A man visits a sanatorium to see his dead father and ends up caught in a sequence of surreal landscapes involving several reoccurring characters including his father. The camera always hovering around the main character and fish-eye lenses are used to great effect.
Ending reminded me a lot of Bloodborne, in fact there's more visual and thematic parallels to the point I'm almost certain it was an inspiration for the game. Also likely the blueprint for e.g. the near-death dream episodes in The Sopranos etc.

The Color of Pomegranates (1969)

Purportedly about the life of Armenian poet Sayat-Nova, the film consists of a series of highly surreal and symbolic tableaus, always filmed against a perpendicular background, with reoccurring characters, colors, etc. in different contexts, evoking a sense of rhythm and poetry. It's quite meditative with its use of music and poetry recitations, I ended up dozing off a lot and dreaming my own little dreams, only to wake up to more and more striking and puzzling imagery. One of the strangest and most unique viewing experiences I had.

>It seems they managed to do it, no?
I suppose so, haha. In the end of the film the world is unexplainably flooded and the otaku are the only ones left.
No. 55228
> I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
Was it like this in the book (which Solaris is based on)? Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes (like literally "evil capitalists are selling air").
Plus according to Marxist ideology future of society inevitably will be a communist utopia, and it's quite a boring setting (no conflicts, no wars, people just live in peace and happiness). However there is a series of books where it is described in details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe
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no, no, I figure I explained myself incorrectly, in the movie there are zero politics. I haven't read the book but I have read many Lem books and it's the same, zero politics.

>Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes

Ah now I recall this:


Apparently in the beginning they would not have even a Russian translator and guessed/invented all the dialog. I know something similar was made here in the 60s, but regarding American comics.

A film without pretensions is always a safe bet.

Pic: a film I wanna watch
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Hm, interesting, similar tropes are found in Scifi from that period here in the west. Pic: the guys in the right, they have achieved utopia. Problem they are too good people and then the guys from the left come!

Artist a Catalan treasure, Alfons Font.
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>Wanderers concept
Reminds me of 2001 and Erik Von Daniken output, being the later recycled in DDR schools.
"Who made us?" "Aliens! God is too passé and bourgeois!"


I figure it's more complicated to communicate with aliens than to communicate with God. At least no one has said the aliens made moral laws and that the Party is doing wrong in not following them.

BTW Von Daniken complained.

Sorry if I can sound condescending, we have shit here too, different shit but more or less is the same: power.

Pic: I wanna watch this film too
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Yeah we had a whole lot of that in Western scifi. Wasn't Boskone pretty much just supposed to be the evil commies against the noble Arisians? Of course I always also heard it as basically just trying to fictionalize saying "Aryans" but then again we got tons of unrepentant Nazis through Paperclip. I wonder if the Russian version of Operation Paperclip filled them with any lowkey Nazism also.
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In a Lonely Place (1950)

Humphrey Bogart as a washed up Hollywood writer, Gloria Grahame as femme fatale, could I make it any more obvious?
Great melodrama-heavy noir. Really enjoyed the scenes when the Bogart character inserts some lines from the screenplay he's writing in the film, kinda meta without being obnoxious.

Diamonds & Ashes (1958)

Set after WW2 in Poland, a young resistance fighter is ordered to assassinate a Communist party official but gets second thoughts after he falls in love with a waitress.
Hard to believe it's that old, feels really modern, if not for b/w could've easily been made in the 70s or so. Really great cinematography, kinda reminds me of Scorsese, quite dynamic, light touches of symbolism.
Zbigniew Cybulski easily rivals the coolness of the likes of James Dean or Marcello Mastroianni.
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Basic Instinct (1992)

The one with the infamous leg crossing scene. Super fast-paced noir with a superb ever-present suspenseful score. Pure thrill & entertainment, I'm really starting to like Verhoeven.

Color out of Space (2010)

Some interesting stuff visually with the CG, less so with the very static camera work & too much cutting. But the main issue is that it fails to build up any suspense and is really boring for the most part. Mediocre acting & dialogue don't help. A valiant effort for a very low budget movie, but wouldn't recommend unless mb you're a hardcore Lovecraft fan.
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Ben-Hur (1959)

The most expensive movie production at time of its release and it shows in some of the audio-visual splendor, from the huge sets filled with hundreds of extras to the epic score. However the story is tremendously boring and the characters extremely one dimensional which is even more frustrating due to the length of almost 4 hrs. The tie-in with the Jesus story feels barely impactful and the ending is kinda silly deus ex machina. Only redeeming scenes are the galleys leading to the whole adoption arc (about the only hint at character development) and ofc the famous chariot race.

The Village (2004)

Really liked this, kinda surprised it apparently got panned by critics when it came out. Great cast, awesome camera work (Roger Deakins btw!) & visual style, found it thrilling throughout (I suppose it helps I avoided spoilers, ofc you can guess at the twist but I don't think that even ruins the experience much). I suppose it feels a bit short and the ending could've been a bit more ambiguous. But the setting is really deep enough that one could've made a whole mini-series set in it. Also I'm always down when a movie appreciates how creepy bare trees look.
No. 55359
The Village is one of those movies I probably will never watch again in a long time because of the ending. Not saying it is bad but it is sort of final.
No. 55360
A TV series could work as a prequel.
Watched it at the movies when it came out. I remember it as a good movie, and the ending makes a good twist. I dunno, does anything allude to the ending? Or is there a similar story structure that has been there like that? Because I was surprised back then (I was 12 though).
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Red Post on Escher Street (2020)
Recent Sion Sono film about a director holding an audition for his new movie and delving into the partly intertwining backstories of all the applicants. It developed out of an acting workshop and was shot in 8 days so it's rather sloppy, but still fun, a lesser director couldn't have pulled it off. Interesting concept to have the extras become the main actors.

Watched this through a Japanese film festival, pay-per-view but I still wanna plug it real quick: https://watch.nipponconnection.com/
Though iirc most movies can't be viewed outside of Germany.

>does anything allude to the ending
There's a scene quite early when Lucien is talking to his mother alluding that the grown-ups are hiding something (and there's literally a black box which his mother won't open for him :D). There's a bit more subtle stuff about how the grown-ups behave too, but the main giveaway nowadays is probably when you know it's a M. Night Shyamalan movie, you kinda have to expect a twist.
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Triumph of the Will (1934)
Plethora of bird's view shots of huge parades of different NSDAP cadres and highlights from speeches by Nazi officials held together with some Kitsch close-ups of children laughing. Gotta admit the scale and grandeur of all those gatherings still manages to amaze.
Probably necessary to read some more commentary on it to get the most out of it even though the subs provided some context, I almost dozed off since it was so repetitive.

Elle (2016)
Expected something along the lines of an erotic thriller like Basic Instinct, as it also opens in the middle of a brutal sex act, but this ended up being much weirder. Many similarities to Haneke's Piano Teacher, except of course Verhoeven's more kinetic and complex style. There's many side characters who are fucked up in their own right, but it never really stops being The Isabelle Huppert Show.
Probably one of the more astute commentaries on the stunted (sexual) development of "gamers", among other things.
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It has been a while since I saw it but I sort of had the feeling that there would be some kind of twist and just hoped it wouldn't be a bad one. When it came I was a bit disappointed at the explanation like why there are no planes flying over it.

I'm not a fan of prequels. You already know how things are going to end so why bother? Not that there are acceptable or even good ones but the concept is not interesting as a start. Maybe because I associate it with milking a franchise for all that it got. I like the idea of spinoffs though. Continue telling stories in a universe, but then again they usually fail to be interesting because greedy diary farmers.
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Seen a couple of clips from these over the years, but decided to watch the whole thing and had an absolute blast. Zizek's commentary is idiosyncratic and somewhat irreverent, at times genuinely insightful, at others hilariously overwrought. The idea to put him on reproduced sets from the movies he's talking about is absolute genius.
Kinda glad I waited with watching this until I had seen or was at least acquainted with a good chunk of the films mentioned, otherwise I can imagine being somewhat overwhelmed since he does rattle on throughout most of the runtime.
I would particularly recommend the Guide to Ideology since it's lighter on the psychoanalytic lingo and thus easier to follow & his interpretations less tenuous.

I'm pretty sure that scene was Shyamalan actually commenting on/poking fun at people who look for far-fetched "plot holes" like this :D
Consider the guard who mentions it is actually a cameo by Shyamalan himself. It also puts the other stuff he says "do not get into conversations"/"it was a very stressful time for me" in a different light - as him being resigned about trying to argue with people who overscrutinize his movies to point out plot holes that aren't really relevant for the story. There would be little reason to mention the whole thing about the planes otherwise.
No. 55444
I remember I tried watching it, only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Might give it another shot soon.
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>only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Okay, now I have to see it. I'm laughing irl.

I have no interest in this movie but at least have to see a few scenes because there is nothing more attractive than a woman holding a weapon.
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Dear god why I cannot find a woman like that outside of France
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Unbreakable (2000)
Another Shyamalan, this time a superhero movie deconstruction of sorts, starring Bruce Willis and Samuel L Jackson. Nice cinematography, but kinda boring for the most part to the point that towards the end that I forgot it's a Shyamalan movie so the twist really surprised me, despite there's literally a scene early on when a character says "They say this one has a surprise ending" :DDD (though referring to a comic book)

Viy (1967)
Based on a novella by Gogol, this is often lauded as one of the few if not almost the only Soviet horror movie.
It drags on a bit until all hell breaks loose in the last 10 minutes with some quite amazing props and costumes. The camera work and music are used to great effect to create a spooky atmosphere, so it's really a shame there weren't more Soviet horror produced.
Also quite funny at times but I'm not sure how well that translates.

Haha, IIRC he entertains it as one possible interpretation among others, but then goes on to say that the shark is rather a placeholder for all sorts of different fears... and then goes on to compare it with the Nazis's similar usage of the Jew as scapegoat. Admittedly not a mind-blowing insight put that way but it's a nice segue.

She really is one of a kind tbh :D
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Maybe but I didn't think of it during the hole movie until it was pointed out and then it was just annoying from what I can remember. If what you say is true it is almost like a perverse version of the movies that assumes I'm twelve and cannot handle subtle and ambiguous. I didn't think of it and now here is an explanation for a problem I didn't see or needed and it made the experience worse.
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Deep End (1970)
Psychosexual coming-of-age drama with some colorful giallo aesthetics and eccentric British humour. Not really my cuppa tea, but at least quite original. Hip soundtrack by Can and Cat Stevens.

Beauty and the Beast (1946)
Adaptation of the classic fairytale by French artist Jean Cocteau. Wonderful set designs (esp. the surreal living furniture) and costumes, ofc especially that of the Beast. Some cool usage of slow and reverse motion and similar tricks that work here as genuinely magical rather than just cheap. It drags a bit whenever the Beast isn't on screen, despite the tense soundtrack.

Snake Eyes (1998)
Sleek thriller by De Palma starring Nic Cage as an eccentric corrupt cop. Amazing long opening sequence that is then shown from different perspectives throughout the film as new information is uncovered. Reminded me a lot of Metal Gear Solid with the betrayal, conspiracy and military-industrial themes.

A Page of Madness (1926)
Japanese silent horror film, (purportedly) about a man who tries to rescue his wife from a madhouse, however it's so surreal that the plot is hard to follow. Apparently back in the day they had benshi who would narrate the plot during the screening, but the version I watched was just accompanied by music, which was admittedly really great.

Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from
No. 55566
>A Page of Madness
Sounds interesting, thanks for the recommendation.

Here if anybody else is interested:
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A Man Escaped (1956)
Minimalist thriller about a French resistance fighter escaping from a Nazi prison. As methodical and repetitive cinematographically as the protagonist's planning and execution of the escape, yet surprisingly tense.

The Third Man (1949)
Classic noir set in post-war Vienna for a change, some really great locations and architecture to see, interior as well as exterior. Some interesting technical idiosyncrasies like the usage of lots of slanted angles, shadow-play and the soundtrack being solely played on a zither set a quite unique mood.
A nice touch is that the protagonist is a writer of Westerns, which are basically the inverse of the noir genre, so he is appropriately hapless in his investigations.

You're welcome. The version you posted has some really mind-melding music though :D
I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTc-CE8NWPw
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>Not really my cuppa tea
I thought it was brilliant, the whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
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>whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
I liked that too, don't get me wrong, I guess my issue is just that the story didn't really engage me enough. It meanders quite a lot and e.g. the ending - while a cool scene by itself - just doesn't really hit you emotionally. Mb that's it, it's too "cool", too non-chalant for me, kinda reminds me in that way of Godard's Breathless that I also watched recently.
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Taxi Driver (1976)
The "You talkin to me?" monologue popped into my head for some reason so decided to read the shooting script by Paul Schrader only to find out that it's not there since De Niro improvised it. Still worth it, quite enjoyed comparing the small differences between script and end result, e.g. in the script Travis comes off as slightly more sordid due to the scenes in the porn theatre being more prominent, also I suppose due to De Niro's charisma being more palpable on screen.
What can I say, it's definitely up there with my all-time favorite movies. Watching it with decent sound quality this time around, I was particularly impressed by the score by Bernhard Hermann which really sets the mood and glues the movie together.
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>I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals)

Thanks. The music surely makes a huge difference.
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An insane roller coaster of a movie. Directed by Michael Curtiz of Casablanca fame, it is based on the book of the same name by Joseph E. Davies - The American ambassador to the Soviet Union from November 1936 to June 1938. In 1941, he edited into a book form his collection of his papers from the State Department.
Davies was commissioned this movie by president Roosevelt and held complete control over its production. The movie is part allied propaganda effort, part Davies' own project. Understandably, a movie based on what are effectively memoirs would show its protagonist as a greater than life character, but Davies' takes it to the next level in presenting himself as a down to earth man who didn't share the russophobia of his English or French counterparts and rightly saw the necessity of the world standing together against fascism.

>The career diplomat Charles Bohlen, who served under Davies in Moscow, later wrote:[11]
>Ambassador Davies was not noted for an acute understanding of the Soviet system, and he had an unfortunate tendency to take what was presented at the trial as the honest and gospel truth. I still blush when I think of some of the telegrams he sent to the State Department about the trial.(p.51)

The movie itself is fantastic. The visuals are great. In cinematography, it's a masterpiece. It chronicles Davies' being personally selected for this very important mission, one in which the future of the free world depends on. Our unlikely ambassador who up until now was merely a lawyer finds himself handpicked by the president to go to Russia and report back everything he sees there. Upon entering Russia, he is received warmly. People are happy, he tours around factories - American industry and its role in serving as a model and teacher to Soviet Industry is praised. The country appears to be a technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life. In one of the most macabre and accidentally humorous foreshadowing scenes, an American born factory director tells our ambassador that there's some sabotage going down in the factories.

The ambassador and his family enjoy Moscow high society and the various diplomatic entourages are shown in social gatherings. The movie becomes something of an mystery movie, but this is all resolved in the trial of the twenty one in which right deviationists categorically admit to working with the fascist powers to overthrow Stalin on Trotsky's orders, some dodge the questions but none are capable of actually lying and fall to the prosecutor's unwavering resolve. Stalin's peculiar view of the world around made manifest by a Warner Bros production. Mr Davies tells the British ambassador that "based on [his] 20 years of trial practice" the confessions of Yagoda, Radek, Tukhachevsky Bukharin were true confessions. The movie has Bukharin deliver his final address before being shot, stoically explaining why the opposition realizes they cannot defeat Stalin and that ultimately they are above everything ashamed to have committed such treasonous acts.

The movie reaches a great peak when Davies' finally meets Stalin as he's about to leave - but the dictator invites him to the Little Corner where Davies, extremely honored to meet him, tells him "I believe, sir, that history will record you as a great builder for the benefit of mankind.". Stalin then explains to the attentive Davies the inside scoop on the Hitler-Trotsky connection. Davies ends up running around Europe in the purpose of creating an anti-fascist bloc but meets varied types of resistance, from the British that "want to build up Germany" to the French who are too russophobic to see the truth. Churchill receives him at his home, and is extremely interested to hear what dipshit Davies has to say about the USSR.

In this self-serving production Davis is repeatedly proven right again, but the world doesn't listen. As American braces to enter the world war, he goes on an anti-isolationist tour around the country on the President's request - beating back hecklers who don't understand that the USSR is a force for peace.

The movie ends in an extremely well made montage of the great American Christian nation rising up to fight arm in arm with the other nations of free world against fascist tyranny. The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge. For bonus points, it also justifies the Soviet invasion of Finland. Still, with all the military might scenes and a style that at times feels very experimental - you can almost feel the socialism.

No. 55632
This era is very weird in terms of American pro-Soviet propaganda. I think a lot of them got re-cut after the war even because Ameriga wasn't buddy buddy with Russia anymore :-DD

One of my favourite ones is 'The Battle of Russia', a 1943 propaganda 'documentary' that's over an hour long on the subject of the Soviet Union without once using the word 'Communism' :-DDD
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I'm sorry for the tangent but that one sentence particularly struck a chord with me, and how much we want something beautiful that is above the ultimate ugliness of realitywhich given that phrasing probably adds another layer of irony to what I'm about to say
>a theocentric technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life and uncovering the sublime truths of God and the universe His creation
That's quite literally the perfect society to me. So then how come this world is such shit and it's always filled with so much ugliness when man is involved? Or is it that the world itself is such ugliness? How come we all seem to want something like this but nobody ever seems to achieve anything but the opposite?
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I feel like the 'just ignore it' approach is a more legitimate route. This one genuinely tried to make the Soviet Union appealing to the American populace. It felt like it cast a wide net in seeking support from the viewer, it had both jokes about the subservient nature of women and scenes lauding Soviet women entering the workforce. Seeing a young stakhanovitsa in the train's engineer cabin. Davies asks a commissar if women are allowed to ride the train there. "But meester Davies, she iz enzhineer!". Some scenes praised the Soviet Union's strength from a more "traditional" approach, with scenes showing showing the well-trained ski troops, strong tractor tanks and respectable Chekists who unwaveringly fight traitors. Stalinist industrialization itself is portrayed twofold, as simply a technocratic approach to organizing society for the greater good of the masses and as a revolutionary movement guided by Stalin to energize said masses who then are enthusiastic agents of this new society.

Apparently in the original script in which Trotsky meets Hitler:
>HITLER: We are not ready for this turn of affairs. You have completely bungled the work you were supposedly directing with judicious ability. That forces us to withdraw our hand completely for the minute. That means Russia will be able to buildup its army and augment its supplies of war materials. You are trying to force us to act in Russia before we are ready!
>TROTSKY: No, no, Herr Hitler. This is all an unfortunate accident. You know I am in perfect accord with your plans.[9]
Trotsky and Hitler don't even show up in the film, Hitler appearing only in footage from the Nuremberg Rallies and various public addresses. Trotsky doesn't appear, being only PROOF'd that he was the mastermind behind it all. Dog this movie would be so much better with this scene.

>Film producer Robert Bruker later claimed that he wanted some ambiguity in the trial scenes but Davies insisted that the accused be depicted as guilty traitors and Trotskyists.[7]
Davies is a strange character, I almost feel an urge to read the entirety of the book this movie was based on, I just checked excerpts and it seems like a window into the mind of one of the many foreign observers who were infused with socialist spirit. All I found seems to imply he wasn't being cynical. Retrospectively, one of the best scenes was the ambassador's wife talking to the commissar of jewelry and defeating the prejudice they had towards each other (Turns out the American woman is also a fierce go-getter, not some slavish wife to her powerful husband, - shocking the comissar lady. The stylish haute-couture commissar lady is not some potato faced kolkhoznitsa dressed in a garbage bag - shocking the ambassador's wife). The Moscow store they're in is well furbished, modern and sleek. Symbolic dialogue aside, this entire scene is presumably an very accurate example of the various enmities the Davies enjoyed during their stay in Moscow. Davies might not be actively hiding the conditions of 1936 as much as truthfully relaying what he and his family experienced and what he saw of the Soviet Union.

Power went out as I was finishing typing out this sperg essay, the cinephiles almost got away without me shitting up their thread but Chromium saw it through.

>That's quite literally the perfect society to me.
Working as intended. The religious elements you add to your post are akin to Davies' portrayal of America. Both are revolutionary technocratic nations (in contrast to more backward and reactionary European nations) committed to fighting to improve man's condition. Unlike the Soviet Union however, America is also a nation whose mission is holy, as shown by the use of religious imagery when America mobilizes to vanquish evil.
>Davies even claimed that communism was "protecting the Christian world of free men", and he urged all Christians "by the faith you have found at your mother's knee, in the name of the faith you have found in temples of worship" to embrace the Soviet Union.[12]
if all want good -- then why bad?? Do you really need an answer? :DDD
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Very interesting Chez 1958 movie based on Jules Vern works. It is not just a book adoption, but a very original and stylized work. Across the whole movie it using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings. More than that, the overall style and mood of the story and the narrative is a sort of soft parody on the naivety of XIX century adventure novels, but it never goes to the full comedy or something like that, it takes itself seriously and some moments are absurd only of you think about them more. If you into "tying madam to the rails before moving train", you may try it, this movie full of action of this sort and not boring at all.
No. 55656
>Working as intended.
What? But I didn't even see this movie or read that book or even know about Davies or who he was or any of this history you're talking about, a fact which probably speaks much deeper than I even realize. I live here and I'd never heard or these people or such propaganda efforts.
>even Davies
Lad something which you must understand is der ewige Amerikan. We are all pretty much like this deep down inside regardless the fact this was a man nearly a century ago or any party or affiliation.
obviously to answer your question in my implication, we are all united on being der ewige Amerikan, only we have bitter disagreement on how to get there or what that looks like. On some fundamental level basically just big enders and little enders from Gulliver's Travels, ready to kill our countrymen on moment notice over the details on accomplishing America's free and holy mission, probably with guns
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I mean its working as intended in that it elicits in you the mental image of le ideal society, not that you've been psy-op'd. Probably poor word usage on my part. Normal to not know some irrelevant US diplomacy stooge, even in Kotkin's Stalin he's just a footnote.

You seem to believe Davies was being facetious in his comments, but I don't think he was.
No. 55659
Gonna have to watch this. Love letters to something are often the best kind of satire.
No. 55660
Why I or he would be facetious? That's actually part of my point. Perhaps I vastly underestimate the criticality of the American need to believe also, as just a background noise to me, but no. What I was saying is that put another way, once a German or Brit 7 years ago said how he enjoyed and was amused by talking to us because at once we'd start trolling like some hivemind, but that "then I find out what you guys actually believe and it's always even crazier, which makes you full of surprises." I recognize we say lots of facetious, sarcastic, or trolly shit, and that for some reason it's often impossible for a foreigner to tell apparantly whether we are just fucking with them or meant every deadpan word that just came from our mouths.

As an armchair expert on Americans, I will tell you that he at once was probably saying certain things in certain ways with an agenda, but from what you describe it's clear to me he took everything at face value and meant a lot of that stupid shit he said because he probably like me unwittingly apparently saw and recognized something about the common man infused with the revolutionary spirit and wrong misidentified that what his own Americanisms and optimisms. A pretty shocking example of that to me would be him calling on Christians to embrace and defend USSR Socialism as some religious duty, given that religious people here will literally disown you faster for that than catching teh gay. But at the same time, based on what little you said I can also see why he wrongly believed the "Nazi camp swimming pools" DPRK tour tier lies he was being fed.

I will say it was also actually probably much easier for him to be doing that in Russia, because as I understand it Russia also had both a frontier mentality and then le patriots shot a bunch of royals which is always going to strike a chord within the American soul.

But tl;dr you can just read exactly what I wrote word for word about the theocentric technocratic revolutionary tree of liberdy notion which is effectively 80% of the murican soul. The remaining 20% is living in a cabin on some God's forgotten frontier and not being bothered by anybody as le rustic man.
>but how can you guys at once embrace Theodor Kaczynski as well as nearly worship le free internet and muh moon landings
Mysterious burger soul.

I absolutely guarantee you those Russians buttered the fuck out of this guy with le free rustic proleterians chopping wood on his stay there. Probably all they really had to do was show a few trinkets and Soviet inventions and industry, talk about something like S-P-A-C-E and telescopes or whatever, and end his trip to the port by driving past some staged villagers erecting a cross to pray in the middle of the woods and he'd be sincerely eating out of their hands.
>...and then Comrade Dmitri showed me some man who built his own log cabin erecting a cross in the woods so he could be alone with God. I tell you my good friend John Smithton, this is truly the second greatest country in the world.
No. 55662
Yea I agree. Btw main plot was based on book which was 62 when the movie was made. Now this movie is 63 years old lol.
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Ebin, and glad you agree actually. As a fan of the pulps especially, the modern conception of pulp satire pisses me off. They're too self aware and focused on poking fun at the source instead of just presenting it with all the silliness it has in its purest form.
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Lost Highway (1997)
Zizek's interpretation in his Guide to Cinema didn't help all that much to make sense of it tbh, but I was still thoroughly enthralled. Made me feel viscerally disturbed at times as few movies have managed to.
At the risk of repeating myself - loved the soundtrack here too, some really fun stuff - especially the heavier tracks. Bowie's intro/outro track highlighting the circularity of the story is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuK8NIBKUm8
Also hnnnng @ Patricia Arquette's teeth

Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
This is gonna be my edgy "christmas movie" choice going forward, might actually be Kubrick's best from what I've seen so far (everything after Lolita). Basically a perfect movie. Without having investigated it in detail, there seems to be quite a bit of symmetry going on in the story, cf. the two visits to the prostitute, Bill getting heckled by the college boys as gay vs. being flirted with by the gay hotelier, etc.
While both are intertwined and important for the movie, I think the paranoia/conspiracy & "unveiling of the elites" is the more interesting aspect rather than the relationship/jealousy theme. In this vein, I see Under the Silver Lake (2018) as a great successor, though ofc it's far from Kubrick's perfectionism.
Also loved the more humorous parts like the high confrontation between Kidman and Cruise (whom were actually married at the time of filming - guess I'm late to the party for finding this out :D), or the miniature farce of the big orgy/ritual scene in the costume shop.

>using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings
Looks very cool, might have to watch it

>The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge.
Damn, that's bonkers. Interesting to see an example of more "hard" propaganda from Hollywood, not to mention that it's pro-Soviet :D
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Mulholland Drive was one of the spookiest things I've ever seen, perhaps partly because the furious masturbation scene was done so well, and also because I watched it at exactly the right time in my life to take it as an allegory and expose of the mind control cults operating within Hollywood and the intelligence agencies as one of their dirtiest little secrets using trauma and child molestation based programming and so took it as her ultimately being whacked by the owners of this country because her programming broke down. Which, come to think of it, is interesting that you ultimately paired Eyes Wide Shut with Lost Highway.

Allegedly there's some kind of lost footage of this film which Kubrick had intended to leave in it for theatrical audiences but that after he privately screened it They had him killed and then "lost" the footage giving much better contexts and butchered it releasing the more nonsensical edited and cut up version from unused B real clips to try making it just about sex.
No. 55692
Didn't Lynch himself say that Lost Highway isn't too much of a deeper meaning thing and that you should just enjoy the ride? I feel that especially with Lynch and Kubrick people tend to overanalyze, like how The Shining is a hidden allegory of the Holocaust or something.
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Some people alleged on the internet that The Shining was an allegory for faking the moon landing yes, and also yes if you are remotely clever enough to solve adventure game puzzles you can easily play the same game with reality. Lots of newfag conspiracy theorists tend to do this their first year or two conspiracizing, and yes they also almost universally get into numerology during their conspiracyfag probationary period. See also: Qtards.

I'm not talking about Lost Highway though. I'm talking about Mulholland Drive which remains one of my top most thoroughly disturbing films I've ever seen, which is again because unlike things which are a meme level stretch such as The Shining it actually fits really well, or at least that the woman has MPD/DID. But yes you are also entirely correct about both Kubrick and Lynch fans wrongfully doing that speaking of which I've never seen Blue Velvet maybe I should DL it to further spite my rock squeezing ISP.I want to uninstall and redownload terabytes just to spite them I wish using their bandwith cost them money or something.

As to Eyes Wide Shut, that's a really special case. Unlike all of the other films that's explicitly about secret societies and rich elites and murder and high society and the occult. Also it strongly implies pedophilia, which is all the more interesting considering iirc it was set somewhere in NY which in light of Jeffrey Epstein is an interesting take. There's also some other strange cultish happenings in that state with rich elites and mind control and weird sex shit like NXIVM and the Seagram's heiresses, whose father also iirc had some kind of strange Mossad and World Jewish Congress ties. It should also be noted that the one scene had Nicole Kidman fucking a sea captain, which made absolutely no sense and was completely out of context until you realize the founder of Happyology was obsessed with LARPing as a sea captain and at the time they both were members.

I'd actually consider EWS to be a profoundly startling expose or rather a much more obvious attempt than I'd ever seen elsewhere to broach the subject. The masquerade may have been partly inspired by some infamous Rothschild party, regardless of anything else. It reads, as a film, like something where lots of other clips had gone missing or should be in there but are not, and I distinctly remember when it came out that pretty much all the media outlets marketed it just as some movie about Cruse and Kiddman having sex. It was actually incredibly odd to me having seen it to then think about the way everyone reviewed and marketed it on release, like they willfully ignored the entire basis of the movie to try and make it sound like nothing but an excuse to have a sex movie between those two. It was a real subtle "the mass media is fake" moment to me at the time.

Have you not seen it? It's explicitly about a strange murderous occult sex cult for rich elites from places like Manhattan. The fact Kubrick died days later only amplified the suspicion. It's come to basically stand for "that movie about Illuminati black magick and mind control and pedo/sex blackmail that they killed Kubrick for" in any conspiracy circle.

Lastly speaking of strange films with dead actors directors, you should check this out. I think the Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was not necessarily a good film, or rather it wasn't actually knocking my socks off, but it was certainly far from a bad one. However I also mention this one because it also felt like almost an insider Hollywood culture project for Hollywood insiders that happened to get made into a film where no one will get it and just watch and be mindlessly entertained. They only shot like half the scenes while Ledger was alive so they had to get different people like Jude Law and Johnny Depp to fill in for various scenes. It was an altogether strange experience and I'm kinda shocked it doesn't get talked about more.
No. 55708
Yeah, sorry, I was more alleging to the other poster.
Just out of interest, are you visiting your home chan from time to time? Because on /tv/ they often have threads about how Kubrick and EWS with the exactly same things you are saying.

That said, watch Blue Velvet, it's good, but it's more of an actual crime story than mindfucking craziness of other Lynch works. Also, Frank Booth is a great villain, but then again, Hopper is always good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4
Notice how the dude on the right almost laughs when Hopper starts shouting.

As for Dr. Parnassus, when it came out, everyone was talking about it and especially about the workarounds regarding Ledger's death.
But like every other Gilliam movie (save for Fisher King maybe), it's flashy and colorful and touches on several subjects without going into any depth and just meanders for far too long. I would still do Lily Cole with the power of a thousand suns, though.
Imo Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time. His Don Quixote film was a disappointment.
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Eyes Without a Face (1960)
Another French classic that I found somewhat underwhelming. It's quite nice visually, the actors are good, I liked the music (esp. the theme with which it opens - it veers nicely between quirky and creepy). However I didn't find the story particularly engaging, it showed too much for my taste, lacking in suspense and scary moments.

Holy Motors (2012)
Consisting of several surreal episodes where he plays different strange characters, it's basically just a showreel for actor Denis Lavant, who admittedly delivers some great performances. Most of the episodes are quite interesting by themselves but tied together they result in a proper shitpost in movie form.
Coincidentally features one of the actresses from Eyes Without a Face who looks surprisingly stunning despite her age, and even a small nod to the film itself at the end.

Bo Burnham: Inside (2021)
Got roped into watching this - definitely overhyped but understandably so since it does capture the lockdown & "being online" zeitgeist quite well. Not a huge fan of the songs (tho admittedly had an earworm from this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU), but I definitely like the concept of doing a DIY-gesamtunstwerk.

>you should just enjoy the ride?
Sure, and that I did :D
I haven't seen/read the interview you're alluding to, but generally wouldn't always take what a director says at face value.

>Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time
Not a big fan of Gilliam either, but I really loved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
It was hugely influential for my teens with all the drug antics, not sure how it would hold up were I to watch it now.
No. 55876
The "shining shizo theory" distract people from looking at early american space program, where they made much more obvious fakes. Like "record time on orbit" Something like 2 weeks. Without any special drugs, costumes or exercise regimen. Just sitting 2 weeks in chair on an orbit (t. official version). And jumped around the aircarrier deck right after the landing.

My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, stopped their human space program too. They only made space stations used for accomodating people for less than 2 weeks time periods to shoot some neoreligious freemason propaganda about muh science there.

The real station should have at least some artificial gravity. Trough orbital centrifuge.
No. 55884
>My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, s
Did you know, Russian Federation is in fact a UK registered corporation and therefore you don't have to follow any of their laws?
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The Witness/A tanú (1969)
Hilarious absurdist satire about the communist regime, heard our resident Hungarian poster mentioning it in some thread. The story is about an unwitting guy who's sent to prison for slaughtering a pig but then gets manipulated by a paranoid party cadre who sets him up in various positions of power. There he spectacularly fails and each time ends up in prison again until he succeeds at leading a science institute to produce a single Hungarian Orange only to have his son accidentally eat it. Finally he is groomed in an overly meticulous fashion as a witness to condemn a former friend.
I was afraid there might be some references I wouldn't get or w/e but I didn't notice anything and it was a comedy that made me laugh for once - so I'd definitely recommend it.

Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (1965)
Parajanov's 2nd best-known masterpiece besides Color of Pomegranates (>>55212). This one's a comparatively straight-forward tragic love story set in a Ukranian Carpathian village. It shares a similar sense of aestheticism with traditional flavor through costume and song, along with striking colors and recurring symbols. It features some of his iconic painting-like stills, but the camera work is more conventional for the most part, I particualarly loved the almost overly quick camera movements (e.g. in the opening where it mimics the POV of a falling tree).
No. 55895
The main thing about A Tanú isn't the historical references it makes (or rather, doesn't make besides the parodic portrayal of the 1948-1956 era) is the references we make to it.
There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it. The Hungarian Orange for example is one of them, especially the line that goes
>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
that people sometimes say when something is serviceable but will get the job done
Or the line
>I'm not trained enough ideologically
Or the first image you posted, that one is a classic.

It's an important movie because of how tightly the lines got integrated into common speech.
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>There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it.
Oh yeah, many such cases with Soviet movies as well
>>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
Makes me chuckle still :D
My favorite part might've been the Socialist Ghost Train though, might make a webm if I figure out how to hardcode subtitles.

Can you recommend any other Hungarian movies (aside from Béla Tarr stuff) btw?

It was Galkovsky tire and it was on the EC
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>Socialist Ghost Train
That's a good pun because in the original it's called "A Szocialista Szellem Vasútja", which can be interpreted as "Socialist Ghost Train" or also as "The Train of Socialist Spirit", since the word "Szellem" can mean either the ghost or the abstract concept of spirit.
The scene has one other reference to an 1919 poster (the red fist smashing the table), but because the iconography is clear if you don't know it then it just registers as a generic piece of propaganda.
It says "Bastards! Is this what you wanted?"

Sadly I'm almost completely illiterate when it comes to Hungarian films, but I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Personally I'd recommend the animated epic The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics, which adapts one of my favourite pieces of Hungarian literature using a lot of expressive styles. And you don't have to worry about missing stuff, since it's a Menschheitsparabel in the vein of Faust.

Though it's another one of those works that had a lot of its lines integrated into common speech (Not because of Jankovics's film, which is fairly new, but because everyone has to read the book).
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Watched Wolfwalkers. Great cartoon from one Irish studio, I have not watched their other works (my bf did), but this was generally a great experience. It cleverly using modern instruments for vibrant 2d animation with an interesting art style and design decisions (like usage of form between the city and the forest). While I can't say it so great as, for example, in Klaus, it still enjoyable to look at.
The story is more on safe side adventure, without any too hardcore moments (tho there are little Christianity vs Paganism in Ireland... not even commentary, but something I would've not expected from a cartoon from some big corporation), but still, same things overall feel fresher and less forced and restricted than an already very tired unimaginative world of Disney-Pixar big 3d animation. I May definitely recommend it for the family evening, same as mentioned Klaus if you have not seen it.
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Khrustalyov, My Car! (1998)
>Military doctor General Klenski is arrested in Stalin’s Russia in 1953 during an anti-Semitic political campaign accused of being a participant in so-called “doctors’ plot”.
Extremely overwhelming, watching this movie is like being dragged through a madhouse. Especially for the first half, the protagonist bounces from one overly dense scene to the next, stumbling through a multitude of minor characters who all seem to have something to say, often at the same time. The second half then features the tragicomedy of Klenski's fall and ironic redemption proper, including an unsettling prison rape scene, and the rather surprising end as it ties into the death of Stalin.
I'd have to rewatch Hard to Be a God to judge more confidently, but this might actually be German's magnum opus.

>I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Cool, I'd appreciate it

>The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics
Looks ebin, I think I actually remember you posting about the source text
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The poster reminds me of this 1920 poster, maybe it was based upon the Hungarian one.
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P.S.: Was designed by Karl Jakob Hirsch btw.
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The Dead Zone (1983)
Adaptation of the Stephen King novel by Cronenberg, with Christopher Walken as the protagonist school teacher who awakens after a long coma to find out he has clairvoyant powers. Some consistently cool, winter-y visuals, Walken's pretty good as is Martin Sheen in his ridiculous role as the corrupt politician.
Overall I was somewhat disappointed, as the story felt very episodic and disjointed, mb also cause I expected something more graphic from Cronenberg whereas this is just a thriller with some fairly light supernatural elements.
Also feels like Walken appropriated some of De Niro's mannerisms here, such as the Duchenne smile, doesn't seem too unlikely after they shot The Deer Hunter together in 1981, but mb that's just me starting to see weird things :D

The Neon Demon (2016)
Might be the weakest one from Refn along with Only God Forgives - both stories are just slightly too minimalist for me, but I still enjoyed it. Guess I'm a sucker for these hypnotic scenes drenched in neon & droning synths.
No. 56060
Funny, I watched Dead Zone not too long ago and mostly agree with your assessment. I think it was because it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way, but they probably didn't want to make a one hour movie.
What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
I mean he still died a "hero's death", so to say, but it's not like he got any accolades for it
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A Woman Under the Influence (1974)
Most popular and acclaimed drama about an erratically behaving mother and her working class family by John Cassavetes (who is often credited as a pioneer of independent filmmaking in America). It's filmed in a very raw naturalist style, and the performances of both Peter Falk and especially Gena Rowlands are really outstanding, but also made me quite uncomfortable and I had to pause a lot to get through it. Definitely not a fun movie, but at least it ends on a surprisingly upbeat note.

Woman in the Dunes (1964)
Based on the novel and adapted for screenplay by Japanese writer Kobo Abe, the story's about an insect collector who ends up trapped in a house with a woman in a remote sand village and after his initial indignation comees to accept his situation. The existentialist themes might feel a bit too on-the-nose, but the film shines though a great mix of regular and more experimental filming techniques. Gotta say compared to the novel it veers more heavily towards the eroticism compared to its Kafkaesque aspects, maybe just by the sheer choice of medium.
Would definitely recommend this one for watching during the summer, almost makes you feel good about the heat since at least you're not also covered in sand (must've been hell filming it)

>it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way
According to wiki there had been quite a few different versions of the screenplay (the ones by King himself and Andrezej Zulawski being scrapped), and the one that was used was revised a lot by different people, mb it was a case of "zu viele Köche verderben den Brei" :D

>What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
Oh yeah, that was a nice surprise, though the thing with the baby was quite ridiculous (in a good way) :D
No. 56068
Got those recs for ya.

Ötödik Pecsét/The Fifth Seal
Hideg Napok/Cold Days
Isten hozta, őrnagy úr!/The Toth Family

I also remembered there's a very good WW2 comedy from the 60s by the title "A tizedes meg a többiek" or "The Corporal and the Others".
Don't know how many of these actually have subs available though.
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You could also try this one too if you liked Jankocs's animation. It's visuals are inspired by Yellow Submarine and it adapts another literary classic.

And this one just came to mind since I recently read the source material which it was adapted from.
The visuals are less impressive but it's well made and tells the story of a peasant boy taking symbolic revenge on his lord for being an unjust greedy retard.
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The Tragedy of Man (2011)

An epic almost three-hour long animated film adapting the eponymous play by Hungarian author Imre Madách. Inspired by Milton's Paradise Lost and Goethe's Faust it features Lucifer in one of the main roles guiding Adam, as reincarnated in the guise of historical figures, through various ages of Western history, each time meeting Eve, also in various guises. The ages seem to follow a Hegelian notion of history, each time Adam is confronted with the antithetical decline that leads to the next age with its own ailments. Whatever you might think of this notion of history, each segment is impressively represented by a corresponding art style.
The narrative starts out in a fairly linear manner from the Biblical creation to the Renaissance, but gets increasingly more phantasmagoric towards modernity with symbols like the wheel of time grinding away at the horrors of history becoming more prevalent, Adam also turning more into the common man rather than historical individual.
The modern episode is followed by futuristic ones: an Orwellian egalitarian society,
transhumanist spacefaring, and finally an apocalyptic Ice Age scenario. These feel somewhat quaint, but as I understand it they were already present in the source from 1861, so the proto-SF vision is actually rather impressive.

The animation style might seem a bit too static for the modern viewer and one might find disagreements with some aspects of the underlying philosophy, despite that it's an outstanding work of art.

Much obliged!
Was able to find torrents for most of those, but no luck with Cold Days or The Toth Family so far, mb I'll check out the novella its based on for the latter
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House of 1000 Corpses (2003) & The Devil’s Rejects (2005)
Watched these upon a friend's recommendation - kinda bad stuff, especially the writing. The first one is an absolute mess that tries to be horror & comedy at the same time and fails at both, also terrible hyperactive editing, but somewhat redeemed by the cool sets & props. The 2nd one is just shallow in terms of writing & characters but there are a couple interesting scenes like the one with the movie critic & the ending slo-mo shootout set to Lynyrd Skynyrd's Freebird.

The Big Lebowski (1998)
No pics since I rewatched this one with my zoomer brother, he wasn't too impressed - and neither was I this time around. Might've been somewhat due to the awkward setting of us watching a movie together, but it barely elicited a few chuckles. In hindsight I feel like the characters & the quotes end up being more interesting than the movie itself.
Also, I hadn't really thought about it, but I've grown rather Dude-like in my lifestyle recently.
Also Walter's obsession to make everything about Vietnam reminded me of our resident rambling American :D
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Loving your reviews man!
you mind listing your top ten russian films?

thanks, german friend!
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>watching Rob Zombie films
It's your own fault man.
I mean, like White Zombie and his solo stuff, but he really shouldn't make films. Everything I have seen that he was made was not good. House of 1000 Corpses can get a pass for being a nice trash film evening addition, but TDR and 3FH are just fucking bad. For someone who is a self-proclaimed horror film fan, his films are too sterile and at the core too tame, despite having all those superficial atrocities in them. Also, his wife is annoying and it's even more annoying he's shoving her into everything.
I actually wrote a review for 3 From Hell on /b/ where I go into more detail on what is wrong with that film.

As for The Big Lebowski, I still like it as much as before on every rewatch, I probably watch it once per year or more, because my gf also likes it. Imo it's like the Monty Python films and it's just a comfy, funny film that's also immensely quotable. I don't even have some special kind of nostalgia for it. I think it was the setting in your case.
Also, I have to add that the first time I watched it I also found it rather meh, but it has really grown on me.
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*I like
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This how "Aliens" movies should've looked in the first place. Also, controversial opinion: Aliens in the weakest movie in quadrilogy :--DDDD
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>our resident rambling American :D
Dude which one there's like four of us and at least two maybe three prone to going off on some tangent when a foreigner is unwise enough to bring something up conducive to even the small handful of us aggressively shitposting to one another
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Jesus Christ I only just now seeing a still frame for the first time realize they all look like vata wearing some kind of medieval welders beetle helmets. Also, not terribly controversial. I have no idea why the fuck people say Alien 3 was "bad" or trying to compare awful third installments of movies or videogames to it. Frankly the second was basically just an 80s action flick which was all kind of stupendously retarded and the third one got back to its roots of being scifi horror films. It's not the second was "bad" per se but goddamnit you're on a strange colony with xeno artifacts it isn't fucking Vietnam. Why are they shooting away inside reactors like they are Viet Cong? Why in fuck is a nuclear reactor now a giant hydrogen bomb? From being shot at? What stupidity is this? So in conclusion the second one was simply adored by the bydlo and first one wasn't as great as people like to say. Of those I think I rewatched the first twice at most, multiple times the other two.
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Well, 2nd movie started as a different movie and was re-branded as Aliens only on the run or something, since the original idea was about Venus (?)
This movie is simple, you feel safe more or less across all of it. Marines are childish, they don't even feel like soldiers. Their equipment is out of date almost even by late 80s US Army standards and APC design is stupid. I always wondered when was a kid, since they have like giant exoskeleton heavy lifters, why soldiers, at least some of them are not in something like exo-frames?

>Jesus Christ I only just now seeing a still frame for the first time realize they all look like Vata wearing some kind of medieval welders beetle helmets
I always felt like it probably maybe not even humans, but some battle androids. They look more like something in the style/mood of the first movie. Anyway, 3rd movie horror layer was not even alien, not even alien inside you, not even end up in remnants of an almost closed industrial horror planet with giant prison for rapists, not even that all people you knew died, but that outside world is scarier than this. There is no help, there is no safe earth. Company will arrive, and they are scary as fuck and it'll be better to die faster than they can catch you and start to do inhuman experiments.
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Yesterday, Murder by the Coast was released to Netflix, a traditional true-crime documentary. The whole genre of "True Crime" is somewhat of a guilty pleasure of mine. And I have to say Netflix's true crime series and documentaries are really some of the best in the whole genre. So I already had planned to watch this movie and was not disappointed. It features everything you'd expect from true crime: murder, sexual assault, wrongful conviction, media circus etc. I enjoyed the documentary very much as Netflix productions really know how to build up tension and make such cases interesting. If you're interested in True Crime, you should watch this.
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And top 5 films about Latin America. It's +36'C here so I'm in mood to watch something like that.

My friend watches Lebovsky every few months and once he watched it twice in a row. That's a good movie in my opinion, but not THIS good.
>Also Walter's obsession to make everything about Vietnam reminded me of our resident rambling American :D
That's what we love him for.
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Interesting image you got there pal
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Why "guilty pleasure"? Do you consider true crime to be a trashy category of entertainment?
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Mister Designer (1987)
Hidden gem of a late Soviet Russian mystery-thriller based on a story by Alexander Grin (think the Russian pendant to EA Poe or ETA Hoffmann). The story is set in pre-revolutionary Petersburg where a once successful artist becomes obsessed with the doppelganger of a sickly girl who posed as a model for him in the past.
The somewhat leisurely pace is relieved by a confident visual style with a good amount of symbolism (such as the Red Spectre prefiguring the Revolution - reminiscent of the red domino in Andrei Bely's Peterburg), and the amazing diverse soundtrack by Sergey Kuryokhin. A shame about the terrible poster & translation of the title, otherwise more people would probably know it. Would definitely recommend if you like (slower-paced) giallo or Herzog's Nosferatu.

Saragossa Manuscript (1965)
This three-hour masterpiece by Polish director Wojciech Has is based on an early 19th century frame-tale novel set in early 18th century Spain, written by a Polish author in French. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of its convolution, as the plot consists of a dizzying amount of nestled stories-within-stories about the likes of noblemen and Moorish princesses, mostly rather strange & seemingly(?) supernatural, often also comedic & romantic.
Tbh I found most of the stories not particularly engaging, and it's easy to lose track of the overarching story as digression piles upon digression, but the amazing set designs & mise-en-scene, as well as the unique formal complexity make it a very interesting if not entirely enjoyable watch.


>top ten russian films
Sure, but I'll extend it to (Ex-)Soviet
Ofc the list is pretty arbitrary - no particular order, also limiting it to one film per director:
Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors 1965 (>>55894)
Andrei Rublev 1966
The Ascent 1977
Days of Eclipse 1988
Hard to Be a God 2013
Taxi Blues 1990
Come and See 1985
Kin-dza-dza! 1986
Brother 1997
Assa 1987

Though most of these (except for Brother) are rather arthouse movies, for more mainstream stuff I'd recommend classic Soviet comedies & dramas by directors like Leonid Gaidai or Eldar Ryazanov

>at least two maybe three prone to going off on some tangent
Well, then it makes Walter an even better stereotype :D
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Thanks so much for the quick reply, I love it and I hope you continue reviewing films!
Much love!
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Well, there is no artistic value in true crime. It is a kind of basic form of entertainment not being very "deep" or meaningful.
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Bleeder (1999)
Refn's 2nd film, a crime drama about two working class friends, one of them a nerd working in a film store trying to get a date with a cashier girl at a fast food joint, the other a meathead who's overwhelmed by his girlfriend's pregnancy.
Visually it's quite gritty, reminiscent of Pusher (also features most its main cast). Yet there's also the usual stylizations through the usage of color, esp. the prevalence of red (as the title somewhat suggests), and the soundtrack features quite a lot of rock songs by Danish bands.
Despite mostly employing the stunted, emotionless dialogue style that his latter work is known for, this feels like his most "human" film with rather relatable characters. Really loved the hopeful ending, I might have a penchant for love stories after all even if I don't want to admit it :D
Also it's quite some jerk-off material for cinephiles due to all the references to films/actors/directors, e.g. this scene at the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPxxLTspb4A

> top 5 films about Latin America
Not really my expertise tbh, off the top of my head I can only recommend:
Y Tu Mamá También 2001

If it's mainly about the heat I'd have more :D
Wake in Fright 1971
Woman in the Dunes 1964 >>56064
Cool Hand Luke 1967
Beau Travail 1999

>For someone who is a self-proclaimed horror film fan, his films are too sterile and at the core too tame, despite having all those superficial atrocities in them. Also, his wife is annoying and it's even more annoying he's shoving her into everything.
Yeah, that hits the nail on the head. It's really kinda disheartening when someone who seems to be passionate about film just can't manage make anything good himself.
Never was too much into his music except for the track on one of the NFS soundtracks :D
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Logan's Run (1976)
Kinda cheesy SF about muh escape from totalitarian cybernetic utopiandystopian society. Some nice visual splendor due to the set designs & props. Second half drags, but Jenny Agutter's character in her skimpy outfit kept me horny enough to enjoy it, through the ending is somewhat lackluster.

The Terminator (1984) & Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991)
I prefer the first one with its neon & synth 80s vibes to the second installment, though I get why its more mature tone would have led to its acclaim. Arnie and his metal endoskeleton are of course iconic, but altogether I find such action-focused blockbusters kinda boring, even if technically well done. Especially second one drags quite a bit, though mb that's my bad for watching the Extended Cut.

Strange Days (1995)
Also written by James "Subtext is for cowards" Cameron, and directed by Kathryn Bigelow, this was a really cool mix of action & neo-noir in a Gibsonian cyberpunk setting: on the day leading up to Y2K a sleazy VR video salesman gets dragged down the rabbithole as he investigates the origins of a snuff video he received, all the while racial tensions & violence are escalating in the city. It does a really great job of capturing a neon metropolis that's about to explode - reminded me of the Akira anime in that way.
It's extremely dynamic with so much going on in the background of many scenes that I found it hard to even find stills to screencap. Some great POV sequences & action scenes too, my only issue might be with the heightened melodrama towards the end.
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Logan's Run was a nice movie, the face of mid 70s science fiction. Robot prop was crap tho lol. You may try to watch Silent Running (1972)
>terminator 2
I don't feel that it is more mature, but more grounded movie for family audience with blockbuster budget. Terminator 1 is an awesome movie, but past this... was there a really decent Cameron movie? Aliens, T2, Avatar, Titanic - they all this type of family blockbuster movies which are crappy and childish, but everyone loves them because they are big. Tho mentioning this, I remembered what movies filled "big family adventure" niche nowadays... yea.
No. 56469
Silent Running was sooo nice, I love that film. It gave me a strong feeling of "what could have been". Clearly the film is quite naive 70s sci-fi, but it's done with so much enthusiasm that it hurts to look back to it from today. Back then people could have so many dreams about the age we live in today.
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Alien³ (1992)
Thanks for recommendation, avoided it so far since it has such lower ratings than first two, tho I remember watching the ending on TV as a kid.
Really loved the world-building, the whole corporate prison planet setting is pretty much what I'd imagined the "off-world colonies" from Blade Runner to be.

Fear X (2003)
Nicely tense psychological thriller that apparently bombed so hard it nearly ruined Refn's career. It's quite Lynchian, but more restrained & minimalist. Great performance by John Turturro, who of all people was also the guy who played Jesus in The Great Lebowski :D

Bronson (2008)
Bit of an odd one out in Refn's cinematography, it's a bizarre comedy based on a true story about "Britain's most notorious prisoner" who styled himself after the actor Charles Bronson. There's not much of a story, it's just strange episodes that usually culminate in violence with fourth-wall breaking narration inbetween. It's entertaining, and there's some cool scenes of usual Refnian neon aesthetics set to vibrant music, but altogether it doesn't really go anywhere.

Death Wish (1974)
Ended up convinced I have to see the actual Mongolian American pop star, Charles Bronson, in action.
Solid drama about the rising crime in 70s New York, kinda reminiscent of Dirty Harry, except that the protagonist is a vigilante and not a cop.

>Silent Running (1972)
Yeap, seen it a while ago, pretty good
Mildly interesting: just found out the director, Douglas Trumbull, worked on visual effects for Blade Runner, The Andromeda Strain and Kubrick's 2001

>I don't feel that it is more mature, but more grounded movie
Maybe mature is not the right word, but I'm mostly thinking about the way Sarah Connor's character was developed. First movie ends on a hopeful note with her as mother-to-be determined to face the future, whereas in the 2nd one she's much more wore down by "reality" of her struggles.
And from that also develops some philosophical themes (even if not particularly deep ones) about what it means to be human or machine, as Sarah is becoming increasingly machine-like and ruthless and Arnie's Terminator becoming more human-like. The first movie's more simple in that regard.
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>And from that also develops some philosophical themes (even if not particularly deep ones) about what it means to be human or machine, as Sarah is becoming increasingly machine-like and ruthless and Arnie's Terminator becoming more human-like. The first movie's more simple in that regard.

I think a lot of themes of the 2nd movie were buried under layers of a PG13-style action movie. For example, what is to be a machine, can a machine be a human, etc. This theme not uncovered, because for all movies T-800 is more Swartznegger than T-800. More like an object of jokes against autistic people than a portrayal of the cold mechanical machine. In that regard, that movie lost the opportunity to make a conclusion for this idea: when T-800 goes down to lava he is beaten, but he still and Arnold. It would be a much more logical and powerful move to show him like T-800 was at the end of the original movie - a metallic endoskeleton without any skin. But characters will still care about him, thus, accepting him as a machine, not "autistic Schwarzenegger becomes my father! like in movie "Jingle All the Way"" which makes no point besides people like this actor.

Major detail of the first movie for me the portrayal of the machines in general. Both future war and T-800. In the original movie future war portrayed not as a war, but as a Survival. A couple of people, mostly ill and sick survivalists in the destroyed world trying to somehow keep their lives. Their enemies are not some other sane species, nation, aliens, or anything. Their enemies - just self-defending computer security system, Soulless, brainless. While SkyNet is AI, it is more like a modern Neurolink than some sort of creature with needs. All we see is how a couple of people fighting automaton robots. This is the scariest part - imagine if your camera security system decided to attack you. This system does not need anything. It has no goals, no feelings, no wants. When it kills you, I'll just shut itself off or something. There will be no future, it is not like one nation conquers another to continue existence. The only thing which will happen after - non-existence. The end for everything. It is a literal metaphor for suicide for all life.

The portrayal of T-800 in the original movie as only an imitation of some human form and very very basic and primitive adds to it. This is not an "evil" robot going to kill you. It is the same as have an injury during an accident while you working on the machinery bench. Bench cut your finger not because it is "evil". The ending of the movie on the automated factory is also a nice metaphor - all this SkyNet and T-800 is not different than machinery which squished T-800 in the end.

What do we see in the 2nd movie?
-Future war is WAR of some remnants of USA-like army against an army of walking endoskeletons. Walking human-like robots with guns who attack like WWI soldiers. It immediately changes the whole future war into conflict against "evil robots" in the style of original Battlestar Galactica or meme droids from Star Wars prequels. Making it less logical, less automated, and more humanized.
-Liquid T-1000, who behaves like a human being and only remembers that it is a blob of liquid only when the movie needs it. It is a typical writer mistake - you creating some concept or idea which is too hard for you to explain and properly use in your plot like it should operate, thus you dumbing it down constantly so it uses its "powers" only in set specific moments.
-Already mentioned a slight meme from Schwarzenegger who replaces automatic soulless T-800 from the original, being more like some "scooby-doo" with powers for our team of adventurers.

Also, while T2 has scenes like "nuclear blasts" and another everyone remembers, I don't think anything goes even near for example scene from T1 where Kyle had a hysteric cry just looking at the green grass. T1 is inescapable horror on many levels, and the whole concept of self-destruction into nothing is the scariest one for me. Also yea, music is brilliant in T1.

>Thanks for recommendation, avoided it so far since it has such lower ratings than first two, tho I remember watching the ending on TV as a kid. Really loved the world-building, the whole corporate prison planet setting is pretty much what I'd imagined the "off-world colonies" from Blade Runner to be.

Btw you have watched the cinema cut or the director's cut?
You may also watch 4. People hate it because it is... very different movie. But I love it a lot. This is another great example of french-style science fiction with a lot of ideas and details which were not appreciated because it is not like "first" or "second" one.
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>dat weird fixation on autism and taking offense as such
Well anyway it's still a logical conclusion precisely because whole premise of the movie is Terminator must come back to kill cyberpunk Virgin Mary before her child can begin revanchist war against the machines. What actually ends up happening is hey, T-800 fails because John "computer crusher" Christ sent back some guy as his trusted lieutenant to stop machine assassins, he stops assassins. Later we realize John "anti-machine Meshiach" becomes in way responsible for his own birth because he knew who his father was who needed to be sent back through time, in order for him to impregnate Sarah so he could be born to lead man to victory and salvation over death or suicide of life as you say.

All what happens in second movie is just extrapolating on things we already know and was set in stone, which now of course this time we get to see John Connor's actual beginning of success against machines, because we already knew about this happening otherwise would be no fucking point to sending some android back in time to assassinate JC's mother. Except difference is also of course, his father was going to have been someone both growing up largely after apocalypse who likely never remembered much about former world, and who would have also remembered very clearly those first dark days as humanity was getting pushed closer and closer to extinction before JC shows up and rallies everybody enough to make real progress against them.

So I disagree in your implications that it is somehow veering off canon, which was of course that brutal Fallout-esque losing battle just to survive for remnants of mankind, but of course clearly whole point of the story was that John was actually threatening to destroy the machines and save humanity which itself is obvious implication they would turn brutal, stark struggle to survive in ruins of a dead world into a real battle eventually. T2 simply showed us more of both what that day looked like when bulk of us got killed, as well also much further into future when we're winning our first victories against those soulless entities.
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El Mariachi (1992)
Robert Rodriguez' first film, mostly known as a success story of a low budget film that was picked up by a major studio for distribution. Pretty simple story about a musician who's chased around by some bad guys since he gets mistaken for a killer due to his similar guitar case. Some nice gimmicks in terms of cinematography, and I quite liked the dream sequences, otherwise nothing too outstanding.

The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Watched this mainly cause it was used as an example in a book on movies I'm currently reading, but found it surprisingly enjoyable though I'm not a big fan of musicals. Luckily the songs here don't overstay their welcome. Definitely a deserved classic.

Germany Year Zero (1948)
Bleak drama about a boy and his hungering family in post-war Germany, directed by Rossellini. Not an enjoyable watch, but has some interesting historical footage and due to its neorealist style it's easy to feel like things really might have happened that way.

Old Joy (2006)
Decided to check out some more films by female directors. This one's a minimalist drama by Kelly Reichardt about two friends trying to reunite over a camping trip; one of them a soon-to-be father, while the other is still living a sort of hippie lifestyle. Really liked it, esp. the soundtrack by Yo La Tengo worked great to create a somewhat bittersweet mood. Also found it eerily relatable in its portrayal of awkwardness between once good friends.

>It would be a much more logical and powerful move to show him like T-800 was at the end of the original movie - a metallic endoskeleton without any skin.
Would be interesting, but when the rest of the movie emphasizes that he becomes more and more human-like, I think it does make sense the way it is. But yeah, I suppose Arnie's popularity might've influenced the writing for no other reason than to give him more "cool" scenes.

>Btw you have watched the cinema cut or the director's cut?
I watched what's called the "Assembly Cut", it's basically Director's Cut, but from what I read Fincher wasn't directly involved with it anymore so it has this different name.
Gonna check out the 4th one too for sure.
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Walker (1987)

This one deserves a seperate post, absolutely ebin satirical "biopic" by Alex Cox of Repo Man fame.
It's about 19th century American filibuster William Walker and his motley crew of mercenaries who get sponsored by an American tycoon to overthrow the government of Nicaragua. He's portrayed as a Great Man figure who can march through the battlefield without getting hurt whereas all his followers constantly get blown to pieces in the most irreverent and darkly hilarious ways.
Whereas initially he comes off as an idealist who wants to "bring democracy to the people", as soon as they overtake the government Walker quickly starts abandoning all his principles to stay in power. He turns out to be a psychopathic despot without a shred of guilt and all the while still maintaining his aura of absolute self-righteousness.
Throughout the film there are appear more and more anachronisms (starting with the soundtrack) which make obvious that its a critique of current-era US foreign interventionism, as at the time of its release the Reagan administration was actually sponsoring the Contras in Nicaragua.
Would recommend if you liked Apocalypse Now or Aguirre, Wrath of God, though this one's possibly even more unhinged.
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Very nice anime about the alternative world... not alternative history, but like an entirely different world where is something between our 1930s and 1960s, where nobody interested in space. Space flight feels like something not very important and unachievable, so only a small team of crazy scientists working on it with a very small budget. The main hero serves in those space forces of the "kingdom" which in col war with some other "republic".
The best part of this is the detail of the world - they have their technologies which gone a bit separate route, their religion, history, music, languages even (republic people talk on an entirely different language, kingdom people have different languages and writing systems), like it was one of the interests of creators - to make non-fantasy, usual, but a different world.

Even in intro and post-credits, there are sets of sketches of their history, their historical figures and events which are presented in the style of important, like you know, in real-life history programs or something, but they are sort of not commented and all of this is fictional and understandable only from some context, which makes it as some sort of illusion that it was some sort of "historical movie" from another world.
No. 56646
great reviews
>And top 5 films about Latin America
would like to know a foreign opinion on latin american cinema
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The Most Terrible Time in My Life (1994) & The Stairway to the Distant Past (1995)
First two parts of Kaizo Hayashi's trilogy about the eternally stylish Yokohama private detective Maiku Hama. Judging from the tongue-in-cheek name of the protagonist (wink-wink Mike Hammer) & his detective agency being inside a movie theatre I expected a more comedic tone. Granted there are funny aspects such as the protagonist's haplessness and some more winks to older films such as starring the iconic yakuza film actor Joe Shishido in a cameo role, but it never gets mockingly silly. Rather as the investigation of the cases go on, the tone turns into more serious (melo)drama.
The cinematography is quite stylish and supported by a cool jazz soundtrack. Definitely recommend if you like (Japanese) film noir, my only gripe is that the films are available in pretty bad DVDRip quality, hopefully they get remastered some time.

Wrong (2012)
KafkaesqueAbsurdist comedy about a guy whose much beloved dog gets kidnapped one day. There's some funny scenes but the different subplots never really come together. Visually also rather boring, even if committed to a certain drab style that arguably fits the narrative.

Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019)
A recent critics' favorite about a female painter contracted to paint a portrait of a rich lady so she can get married. Drama ensues as they fall in love. The cinematography is great, especially in the flattened painting-like scenes at the seaside. However I found it pretty boring, and the motifs/symbolism like the color-coded costumes, the Eurydice story, etc. rather ham-fisted and the overall style of the film too academic and "taking itself too seriously".

The worldbuilding & soundtrack are really great, though the story wasn't too memorable (in any case I can barely recall it). Also interesting history behind it as the first movie by Studio Gainax.

>foreign opinion on latin american cinema
Sadly I haven't seen that many Latin American movies. Mostly just the mainstream stuff by directors like Inarritu, Cuaron & Jodorowsky, but most of their movies aren't really set in Latin America (or at least those that I've seen other than Y Tu Mama Tambien). I've been meaning to watch some movies by Raul Ruiz & the Soviet film Soy Cuba.
Other than that of course I've seen many Hollywood or foreign movies that are set in Latin America (or mostly in Mexico or "the jungle" anyways), but I feel like it's often just used as a backdrop and not really explored deeply.
So if you can recommend some movies, I'd appreciate it.
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Our Hospitality (1923)
Silent comedy about a family feud by Buster Keaton. Really enjoyed it and found it much more funny than Chaplin, as Keaton's acting is much more deadpan and he doesn't try to hog every scene through his silly antics as his moustached colleague tends to.

Autumn Marathon (1979)
Soviet tragicomedy about a spineless translator torn between his mistress and wife. Quite painful to watch as the protagonist is so unlikable, but Yevgeny Leonov in a side role brings some life into it.

Phenomena (1985)
Probabaly my favorite by Dario Argento. Absolutely unhinged giallo in the best possible ways. The movie's heroine is an ethereal girl who can communicate with insects, the soundtrack by Goblin and fucking Iron Maiden absolutely slaps, Donald Pleasance brings a nice touch of real acting as opposed to the mostly deadpan deliveries from other actors, and to top it off it has the best monkey in cinema.
As another reviewer put it succinctly: "ontogeny vs phylogeny. phylogeny wins."

Annie Hall (1977)
I was rather put off by Woody Allen and didn't like the newer movies I've seen by him, but this was really fun. I enjoyed the imaginative fourth wall breaks despite which the film felt like it captured a sense of genuine romance.
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>Buster Keaton
Absolute legend. Why did you watch just this one? A specific reason or did you just find it somewhere?
I really enjoy his shorts because they're just the right amount of high energy and speed that fits that format, though "The General" was also pretty good.
And holy shit, the stunts he did even back then, and the craftsmanship involved in the special effects, I can only say again, what an absolute legend.
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What are good Woody Allen movies?
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>Woody Allen
His old films are fun, as long as he isn't to be seen or heard.

As for Dario Argento, have you seen Opera and if yes, what do you think of it?
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>The worldbuilding & soundtrack are really great, though the story wasn't too memorable (in any case I can barely recall it). Also interesting history behind it as the first movie by Studio
Yea, plot and characters are a bit messy. Overall world was looks like primary idea and the rest was secondary.
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Laura (1944)
Classic noir that partly inspired Lynch's Twin Peaks. A prime example for the very tight classic Hollywood style.

Taking the Horse to Eat Jalebis (2018)
Indian arthouse about the street peddlers & hustlers of Old Delhi. Narrative is quite loosely centered around a few characters like a charismatic pickpocket & a mendacious tour guide, but it's full of various dream sequences, often with some experimental animations on top of the filmed scenes. Interesting, but a bit too unfocused for me.

The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971)
Kinda expected more of a horror movie, but this was really more of a (British) comedy. Awesome sets & props. Thanks to the Ernst who recommended it!

Gaia (2021)
Got trailer-baited into checking out this new eco-horror thriller from South Africa. There's some really cool make-up (or fx?) and a bunch of nicely shot scenes (e.g. the psychedelic sequence), but the rest of it is just way too messy, both in terms of narrative/structure and visuals/cinematography.
Maybe add a few more characters that can get killed off & make the heroine more of a city girl, delay the meeting with the jungle people, tone down (esp. the expository) dialogue and mb make it all in Afrikaans, try to have a bit more patterns in the cinematography rather than constantly filming from different angles. Easier said than done ofc :D
It's really a shame they didn't flesh it out more, as the underlying concept of a primordial jungle deity that turns people into fungal zombies is pretty interesting. Didn't help that apparently I watched some crappy rip where the colors look kinda desaturated.

>Why did you watch just this one? A specific reason or did you just find it somewhere?
I've been reading Film Art: An Introduction by Bordwell et al. and it's analyzed there in some detail as a film that is very economical, i.e. every scene has both a narrative and a comic function, and it's full of patterns and motifs.
I'll definitely check out The General and Sherlock Jr etc.

I've only seen the one above that I liked, but e.g. Manhattan, Zelig, Love & Death look good too, I would disagree with >>56731 in that actually seeing Woody Allen is half the fun of it :D

>have you seen Opera and if yes, what do you think of it?
Not yet, but I'll make sure to post about it when I get around to it. Would you recommend it?
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Yeah, it's just my opinion, but for example, Love and Death is a great, funny film, but I hated every single scene where that weaseling, stuttering little prick was rambling.
Same with "Everything you always wanted to know about sex" - the highlight of the film is without a doubt the sodomy episode, because Gene Wilder is so great (by the way, have you seen the old Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? It's great).
Or Scoop, which is, I must admit, a strike of genius of that old dirty man for ogling Scarlett Johansson, but he's the least enjoyable part in it. Same with "Fading Gigolo", which isn't by him, but he's playing himself and that I find extremely annoying (the film wasn't that good anyway, and I usually like John Turturro).

That said, would I recommend Opera? Well, the synopsis is almost the same as Phenomena (with less supernatural stuff), just that it's set in an opera setting and has a weird almost non-sequitur ending. It's silly, but in a good way. I must admit though I haven't seen other Argento giallos, just some of his horror stuff. But I would like to hear other opinions on it.
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Ended up watching it yesterday. Definitely a lot of stylistic parallels to Phenomena, but Opera's much more psychological & the violence more cruel. Really feels like the climax of his career; some of his most virtuosic camera work too, with highlights like the perspective of the bird flying circles inside the opera, the horizontal feather drop scene & the shot through the eyehole etc.
I loved the ending, both the pile-up of twists as well as the monologue. Despite the silliness of the whole corpse switcheroo, I think the way the heroine switches her attitude towards the killer back and forth adds a lot of complexity to the her character before kind of dissolving her as a character with that monologue sequence anyways.
Btw, just noticing it now after rewatching the ending on yt: In the English version it's Betty's voice whereas in the Italian version it's a man speaking the "I no longer wanted to see anyone" internal monologue which adds another layer of ambiguity: is it Argento himself talking directly through the character?
There is also a similar subtly fourth-wall breaking scene (is she talking to the insects? the girls who bullied her? the audience?) where the main character seems to reach some sort of serenity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXNveASPR-o
Also I loved the clothes the heroine wears - going back and forth between her ultrafeminine stage costumes & her tomboyish everyday outfit - and then the white outfit at the end as she seems to be liberated of her trauma - only to get it splattered with blood again
That said, I'd probably rate it just slightly below Phenomena, just because I don't enjoy the sadistic streak it has as much. Now I'm kinda hooked on Argento tho and wanna finish at least watching all his "good" movies :D
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Three Colors: Blue (1993)
Undoubtedly some masterful cinematography, it's a good mix between realistic and more experimental & abstract passages. It does capture some notion of grief, and the constant repetition of the color blue & the musical motifs are excellently executed, but these very "conceptual" elements distracted me from engaging with the story more intimately.

Female Prisoner 701: Scorpion (1972)
An absolute classic of the good ol' "women in prison" genre. As expected from an exploitation/"pinku eiga" flick, there's a lot of nudity & violence, but it has some great direction and surreal sequences with expressive lighting which make it a joy to watch.
It spawned several sequels and remakes, and the main character is e.g. referenced/parodied in Sion Sono's Love Exposure.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Didn't like this one as much as I wanted to - Humphrey Bogart isn't too impressive in it (from a modern viewer's perspective he doesn't quite capture the paranoia of his character), the score is rather pompous & silly. Though it's still a fun movie due to the great performance of Walter Huston, the director John Huston's father (who deservedly got an Oscar for his role), and the poetic resolution of the ending. Thanks to whoever recommended it here!
On a film historical note, it's also quite interesting, since it was one of the first Hollywood productions shot almost entirely on location.

Jackie Brown (1997)
A fun watch, but rather forgettable. I appreciate Tarantino's sense for directing, e.g. the scene of Beaumont's murder is really great. But I just don't enjoy his sense of humor and whimsical approach to characters & dialogues too much.
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Quiz Show (1994)
Drama based on a real incident of fraud in a US TV quiz show in the 50s. Stylistically there's not much experimentation, pretty standard modern Hollywood fare, as is common with actors who turn to directing (in this case Robert Redford). But I really liked Ralph Fiennes & John Turturro in the main roles, although they're almost a bit too tailored for their respective roles.
The tragic ending was kinnda unexpected and a nice surprise, Lyle Lovett's rendition of the Mack the Knife song that plays during the credits also adds a nice solemn touch, I like it a lot even if it's mb a bit cheesy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSeoWFsp7Po

Barton Fink (1991)
Turturro has really impressed me now after seeing him play so wildly different role. Btw his performance here, Jesus in Big Lebowski, Herbie Stempel in the above Quiz Show, and as the protagonist in Fear X, it's quite an amazing range. Goodman is great here too ofc. Also very impressed with the sound design (all the different sounds through the walls), it must be even more intense in a cinema. Other than that I really liked many scenes, but the film didn't quite come together for me as a whole. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm not a big fan of the Coen bros.

The German Chainsaw Massacre (1990)
Absolutely ebin loose remake of the Texas variety of chainsaw massacres. The premise is that after the German reunification a West German butcher family starts turning the Ossies into sausages, which is of course something of an allegory of the economical effects of the reunification (even stated explicitly in a somewhat off-hand manner by one of the actors). But the movie doesn't dwell too much on this, it's just pure mayhem of the deliberately trashy variety, with blatant overacting (a majority of the cast are mainly stage actors), a flurry of sound fx, and cheap gore.
This movie could've been terrible, but I found it really entertaining.

Santa Sangre (1989)
Jodorowsky's comeback as a director after the failed production of his Dune. Compared to his other films, it's surprisingly straightforward & laced with references and ideas taken from other classic movies. Also some influences of Dario Argento carrying over, unsurprising since the movie was produced by his brother Claudio Argento. The symbolism is quite heavy-handed, but Jodorowsky's imagery is just one of a kind, e.g. the whole elephant funeral scene is just something you won't get in any other movie.
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>Das deutsche Kettensägenmassaker
Schlingensief was a gem, shame he got cancer and died.
And Udo Kier was great, as always. Granted, I watched it like 15 years ago drunk as fuck, but I remember it being more fun than TCM (at that time).
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PlayTime (1967)
Jacques Tati's masterpiece of visual comedy set in an absurdly drab, uniform & geometric set version of futuristic Paris.
It's loosely centered around Tati's Monsieur Hulot character, as well as some other recurring ones, but there's fairly little dialogue & story, it's mostly just a pile-up of visual, physical and other gags. Through it's very distinct visual style of filming from a far distance & keeping everything in focus (not unlike a surveillance camera perspective) the viewer needs to stay engaged and often has to search for the relevant action in a scene without the help of focus.
This was definitely a nice change of pace from the more thrilling movies I've watched recently.

Ravenous (1999)
A horror-comedy set in a mid-19th century outpost of the US Army, where one day a mysterious wounded man appears (masterfully played by Robert Carlyle) and cannibalism ensues. The score by Michael Nyman & Damon Albarn is quite unique, but a bit too ironic for my taste. While there's plenty of gore, I found the movie lacked in suspense, especially in the second half. Maybe it's better to view it more as a black comedy.

North by Northwest (1959)
Just extremely thrilling & fun throughout, no lack of romance either, I have to admit I share Hitchcock's obsession with his blondes. The ending scenes is some real sublime stuff. Mini-razor gag had me in stitches.

Do the Right Thing (1989)
Spike Lee's ensemble cast drama about escalating racial tensions on a Brooklyn block. Someone fittingly described it as a musical without singing, and that seems a fair description due to its quirky characters and colorful mise-en-scene. It's quite fun though the ending is ofc tragic - but it's ambiguous enough despite being a "social problem" film that it doesn't come off as overly didactic.

Don't know him that well tbh, mainly from the Helge Schneider film he codirected and a few yt clips from his TV appearances.
There's a documentary about him that came out last year, I'm kinda tempted to watch it. Did you happen to see it?
No. 57024
>There's a documentary about him that came out last year, I'm kinda tempted to watch it. Did you happen to see it?
No, haven't seen that. I knew him mainly from his art stuff (e.g. Church of Fear or his racist Big Brother event, which caused butthurt in the FPÖ (then again, what doesn't?)).
There was also a really good episode of "durch die Nacht mit..." with him and Michel Friedman. It came out shortly before Friedman's coke&hookers scandal.
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I wonder if you'd do a viewing and review of your countryman's finest, active horror artist 'Marian Dora'? He's probably one of the most impactful low budget directors I've ever experienced.

Something like 'Reise nach Agatis' (2010), would be the most straight forward to watch first, like Knife In The Water filmed on a 90s camcorder with less subtle implication and more direct force. Just the first 5 minutes are something special.

His short, 'Caribbean Sunrise' is kind of a taster to that.
No. 57055
>Marian Dora, where did I hear that na-
>oh, right, Melancholie der Engel
Shitty 2deep4u artsy fartsy bullshit. Also, he's an acquaintance of Uli Lommel, should tell you everything. Not review Ernst btw.
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Brother (1997) & Brother 2 (2000)

Rewatched these for the Xth time as I'm going through Balabanov's filmography (other reviews forthcoming). I love the first one, it works as a moody action drama but also has a good amount of subtext. Soundtrack by Nautlius holdy it together, and Bodrov Jr's performance is iconic in its simplicity. Also interesting to see how Balabanov recycles so many motifs and set pieces from his first feature movie Happy Days (1993) despite the glaring genre differences between action & arthouse film.
The second one is enjoyable as well, but mainly because every scene featuring Sukhorukov is just comedy gold. The story feels rather constructed though it's fun to see the parallels & differences drawn btw the portrayals of America & Russia. The more varied soundtrack is great as well, but the constant montage scenes end up feeling repetitive. Still think it's a worthy sequel, as it treats its own "sell-out" in a quite self-aware manner.

>episode of "durch die Nacht mit..." with him and Michel Friedman
Oh yeah, I ended up watching the "restaurant scene" on yt, but idk I didn't get much out of it.

> 'Reise nach Agatis' (2010)
Looks a bit too hardcore for me, but I'll put it on my watchlist and might give it a try if I'm in the mood.
Unsurprisingly there's a review on Soiled Sinema: http://www.soiledsinema.com/2013/07/reise-nach-agatis.html
That blog covers lots of gross stuff like that if you're into it, tbh it's a bit too edgy for me.
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>Looks a bit too hardcore for me
I can understand that. They don't make comfortable viewing but that's part of the point, I guess.
I think they do have a lot of merit besides just being disturbing and gruesome.

>Shitty 2deep4u artsy fartsy bullshit.
I'm sorry for you.
Then again, it's not a film i'd recommend to anyone lightly, not because it's shite but because it'll make you feel sick.
No. 57069
Okay, I'm intrigued... it's been ages since the last time I watched something along those lines.
I was pretty disappointed by Serbian Film when it was all the rage on imageboards...
I thought that Deadgirl did a much better job of exploring similar ideas.

I remember being somewhat shocked by August Undergrounds Mordum, but that was so long ago that I can't remember the first thing about it. Just that I couldn't see anything of value in it except the effort being put into the set design and make-up (relatively speaking for the budget).
No. 57070 Kontra
Oh please, almost three hours of pretentious "let's cite all those highschool reading writers and throw in some grossout stuff for good measure" is really nothing more than that. I bet you also think Jörg Buttgereit is a great artist.
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> almost three hours of pretentious "let's cite all those highschool reading writers and throw in some grossout stuff for good measure" is really nothing more than that.
I didn't really notice any references to writers, maybe i'm too pleb4u but I did find a rather gruelling meditation on life. I laughed at some fat bird getting shat on and winced at a cripple getting a finger in her colostomy hole. The whole experience was very visceral and I honestly feel like slightly changed after watching it.
If nothing else, Dora gets some nice shots with his crappy camcorders (of men masturbating into a lake at dawn).

>I bet you also think Jörg Buttgereit is a great artist.
You can't deny Nekromantic is a really cute film :3
Though I haven't seen anything else by him.

I'm not really a fan of gore for the sake of gore tbh. Maybe i read too much into Dora but I find his films weirdly satisfying, there's a bit of meat on the bones, on top of just looking and sounding nice.
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Balabanov cont'd.

Happy Days (1991)
His feature film debut about a lobotomized(?) guy wandering through the empty streets of St. Petersburg, based on a smorgasbrod of Beckett plays. The setting and b/w cinematography are great (there's a really nice crane shot where the camera moves up from the protagonist to show a view from over the roofs only to have the protagonsit reappear in the distance as if he'd teleported). Sukhorukov's performance is great and adds a bit of humor, but otherwise it's a rather prime example of what people would consider a pretentious arthouse film. Luckily Balabanov recycled a lot of the movie in his action-packed Brother.

Of Freaks and Men (1998)
Another b/w (or rather sepia) movie, it's set in pre-revolutionary Russia and somewhat styled after the silent movies of the era, including intertitles. The main characters include two upper-class families whose patriarchs belief in liberalism & scientific progress gets darkly subverted by the film's antiheroes - two nigh inhuman little men who run a rapidly expanding porn photography business.
Makovetsky's performance as the unflinching beady-eyed manchild Johann makes Sukhorukov for once seem like a normal guy in comparison.
Afaik Balabanov considered it his best movie, understandably so, it's definitely his most unique and probably the most dense in terms of symbolism & subtext.

Dead Man’s Bluff (2005)
Gangster comedy à la Tarantino or Guy Ritchie with eccentric characters & a deal going wrong set in 90's Russia. Nothing too substantial but it's a fun watch.

Cargo 200 (2007)
Thriller set in 80s USSR about a girl getting kidnapped & abused by an impotent & deranged policeman. There's some humorous elements, but mostly it's a really dark movie - probably not a single likable character in it, everyone is somehow complicit in something evil.
Loved the mostly cheerful rock soundtrack, it's a nice ironic contrast to the dark story, e.g. this track in particular (it's basically the theme that comes up whenever the professor of scientific atheism appears :D): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhicVuApJ9w
No. 57129
>Still think it's a worthy sequel, as it treats its own "sell-out" in a quite self-aware manner.
Maybe exclusively the selling out part, it's very tone-deaf and cringe when the message turns from "america isn't a magical paradise" to praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.

Need to watch the other Balabanov flicks you posted.
No. 57151
Why do all of you watch that pretentious artsy-fartsy crap? Just to appear 'intellectual'? Pathetic. Watch real movies that are ... like not boring, were stuff happens, maybe? With a plot? Not just some good looking guy walking through a city in black and white or a guy in a space-ship doing nothing. The black and white crap is the worst.

I mean come on. It's 2021 hello? We've had color movies for like what? 40 years or something? And you guys still watching that black and white crap?

I bet you don't even enjoy it, you just watch that ancient boring shit to pretend you are smart. You were unpopular in school, now you watch that crap to pretend to be someone, but you are still unpopular and everyone laughs about you watching that crap.

It's almost like the losers still reading books, pathetic.
No. 57152
Brick, is that you? Are you in a different state of mind again?
No. 57153 Kontra
>Look at me, I'm the peasant Pol Pot always wanted.

It's like current year, why are carry an anti-intellectual attitude from the last century?

It's almost like the losers still acting like certain right-wingers, pathetic.
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Argento edition.

The Bird with the Crystal Plumage (1970)
Argento's debut - already a great giallo, even if his style isn't fully developed here. Probably one of his most coherent storylines too!

The Cat o’ Nine Tails (1971)
Kinda disappointed by this one - the setting of a genetic institute seemed interesting but the story sprawls too much & the ending wasn't too satisfying. Doesn't help that it has probably one of the dullest protagonists, even if he's counterbalanced with a bunch of more eccentric characters. There's a few enjoyable eccentricities such as the milk carton scene or some of the more expressionist set designs (always love the stairwell shots) but overall imho it's the worst one of Argento's "golden era".

Inferno (1980)
Second movie (after Suspiria) of his Three Mothers trilogy. I loved the premise of the protagonists trying to investigate an alchemical book, though it ends up a bit underdeveloped. The story is a bit underdeveloped but it has some of his greatest murder scenes (and one of the funniest with the crippled guy who's trying to drown the cats, then falls into a lake to be eaten by rats, then screams for help only for a random hot dog stand owner to come and hack his head off). The expressive color lighting is also off the charts here, some amazing visuals rivaling those of Suspiria.

Tenebrae (1982)
About an author whose new thriller book (also titled "Tenebrae") inspires a copycat murderer, so there's some fun meta-commentary. Some consider it his best, and while I also enjoyed it, I prefer his more supernatural movies & female protagonists.

Suspiria (2018)
I just hope Argento got a solid paycheck for letting them use his name for this remake, since it's a pile of crap that has very little to do with the 1977 original. It's drab, boring and bloated, and to add insult to injury features a whiny soundtrack by Thom Yorke rather than Goblin's prog rock bangers. I wouldn't even mind that they change the setting or add some historical undertones - but if you do so at least do it right, I'm left puzzled by how the whole Nazi/RAF angle is supposed to tie in with the main story.
Just about the only thing I liked were the "nightmare" montages of gruesome images. The ending might be visually shocking and somewhat satisfying but it's not enough to justify how much the rest of the film drags.
Even disregarding the whole remake angle - imho the film stands only slightly better on its own.
For a modern take on Argento's style I'd rather watch Refn's Neon Demon.

>praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.
Yeah, I wonder about that. My impression is that he is at the same time pandering to and mocking the audience which uncritically reveled in the violence & patriotism of the first movie, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Would definitely recommend checking out his other films - they're usually more subtle & serious.
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Holy shit, your Nuspiria review is almost exactly what I wrote back then. I couldn't agree more.
I even watched this in the cinema because I love the original and thought "wow might be cool, also a reason to watch a horror film".
I was a bit perplexed by the change of setting, probably because Berlin is more glamorous than Freiburg im Breisgau, but yeah, whatever. During the bone dancing scene I thought "wow maybe this might be able to turn the corner", just for it to crash and burn horribly. Especially the laughably silly finale made me actually chuckle because it was so dumb. And yeah, the whole doctor subplot was unnecessary and had they cut it completely it would have improved the whole film because it would have shaven a whole bunch of time from this much too long flick.
I also have to mention again the shitty boring soundtrack. If it hadn't been done by Yorke people would have probably said "what is this boring elevator music and who is that castrate wailing there in the background?". That said, I don't like Radiohead, but even if I did I probably wouldn't have liked the soundtrack.
I was really mad when I left the cinema. Had they at least not called it Suspiria I could have accepted this as an okay-ish, albeit bit too long flick, but as a remake, it falls completely flat. Doesn't help that the main actress can't act for shit and not even Tilda Swinton can salvage that piece of shit. Also, Udo Kier is still alive, his presence alone would have made it better.

I have subsumed my impression of the whole film as
>horror film made by people who don't like horror films for people who don't like horror films

Btw how did you like Tenebrae's soundtrack? It's the only thing I know of the film and I love the title track.
No. 57165
Black and white films are a different experience. Almost like because of the lack of colours I see the movements and the sharp lines more clearly. This depends on the era and director of course.
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I wish I know what the vocoded voice is saying if it says something at all. Also that funky lead at 0:43, damn.

I think I already suggested this one a longer time ago to some Ernst. Or just mentioned it. I like the main theme that is an in-movie composition for a Giallo movie. There is a nice O'Henry twist, don't even remember it, but it was good I think.
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>Black and white films are a different experience.
Yes, a very boring experience.

>Almost like because of the lack of colours I see the movements and the sharp lines more clearly.
Maybe you should see an eye doctor? There's almost certainly something wrong with your vision. Maybe you Colo yourself?

>Pol Pot
I bet you know a lot about Pot, faggot.
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>I bet you know a lot about Pot, faggot.

Apparently more than you grape brained individual.
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Please guys, keep it civil.
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Nah, I don't watch movies, color or not.
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>Brother 2
Haha, must-watch for our self-hating American posters. Moreover it's nice well-made movie.

> Maybe exclusively the selling out part, it's very tone-deaf and cringe when the message turns from "america isn't a magical paradise" to praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.
Being vatnique was considered counter culture and non-mainstream in 90-s. But meanwhile it was completely safe and socially acceptable. So no wonder that Balabanov (with many others) fell for this desire.
Later most of them abandonded these views when it stopped being edgy they saw that Russian bydlo is not the "noble savage" they imagined. But some didn't, for example Limonov before his death became frequenter of state funded TV shows where he hysterically demanded repressions against dissidents but this is rather a pathology tbh.
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The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West in the Land of the Bolsheviks (1924)
Quite entertaining propaganda film that satirizes the foreign perception of Bolsheviks. The main character is an American businessman who travels to Soviet Russia with his cowboy sidekick. Initially he gets scammed by group of decadents and thugs who pose as bolsheviks, but then ofc the real bolsheviks come and save him, so he writes to his wife that she should put up a portrait of Lenin in his office. Nothing too interesting visually, but it got some good laughs out of me & there's some pretty impressive action/chase sequences.

Strike (1925)
Eisenstein's first feature film about a worker's strike that gets violently suppressed. While I watched Battleship Potemkin some years back more out of a sense of duty of someone who's interested in film history, I really enjoyed this one since I had a better idea of what I was getting into. There's of course the impressive editing and other visual flourishes such as when purported photographs "come alive" or the informant characters who have animal nicknames get juxtaposed with the respective animals.
Admittedly, the story does feel a bit stretched out and it's somewhat hard to engage with it emotionally since there are no discernible protagonists rather than just "the workers/people". In any case that was one of the reasons Eisenstein got canned and since the 30s the straightforward socialist realism style prevailed in Soviet Cinema, such as in Chapayev (>>55044).

Bukharin - Enemy of the People (1991)
Somewhat obscure courtroom drama/thriller about Bukharin's trial. The main story concerns the staged trial but there are many flashbacks that show Bukharin from his youth onwards, a good part of it focusing on his relationship with Stalin, though sometimes the flashback also just consist of abstract images. The acting was suprisingly good and the extreme halation effect gives it an eerie unreal quality. The ending really stuck with me: Bukharin dressed in white is led through a dark corridor as a haunting soundtrack winds up while the sound of his steps fades out - then there are a few very brief flashbacks - and then he unceremonially gets shot in the back - THE END

>horror film made by people who don't like horror films for people who don't like horror films
Sums it up well, we're definitely on the same page about that one :D
I can kind of laugh about it, but on the other hand it depresses me that many modern movies suck so bad
> not even Tilda Swinton can salvage
Haha, I still can't get over the fact she played the old man as well. I thought I had spoilered myself by looking at the credits beforehand, but then it has no story relevance. Apparently they just went through all the make-up hassle because they didn't want to star an actual Old White Male? :D
>Udo Kier is still alive, his presence alone would have made it better.
Just started paying more attention to him after you mentioned him recently, he definitely has a bonkers filmography
>Btw how did you like Tenebrae's soundtrack?
It's great, I kinda have no ear for music but the theme is catchy and seemed familiar. Initially it reminded me of Daft Punk but it turns out that it was sampled by Justice on their track Phantom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoZ8l40RpeE - I listened to it a lot around the time it came out.
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>Haha, I still can't get over the fact she played the old man as well.
I must admit, I didn't notice until the very end. I was just wondering the whole time why they gave that old man such a weird voice (because "he" was also voiced by her regular VA).

>he definitely has a bonkers filmography
Roger Ebert once formulated the Stanton-Walsh rule, "no movie featuring either Harry Dean Stanton or M. Emmet Walsh in a supporting role can be altogether bad.".
I would say, the Kier rule says that every movie with Udo Kier in a supporting role is better than it would be without him.
Seriously, he has played in so much schlock, some of which would have been unbearable without him.
Take for example "Auf Herz und Nieren", a german black comedy thriller drama whatever about organ trafficking with Xavier Naidoo and that one dude who looks like he could be Til Schweiger's brother. Really shitty movie, but Udo Kier plays the ominous evil surgeon dude and it's laughable how much better of an actor he is than the rest of the cast (which is not that hard in a german production, but still).

Haven't listened to them in like ten years or so, but you're right, that's the sample.
No. 57233
We don't have self hating American posters. I might as well call you self hating for not thinking Putin is greatest leader, for not believing in Russian Federation, or for hating your dumb bydlo.
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There's no way this won't suck but i have hopes

No. 57266 Kontra
Why should this suck? Because you can't laugh about Bam behaving like a little bitch anymore?
I am looking forward to see how them changing their lives influences their stunts.
Let's just hope there won't be diarrhea volcanoes etc.
No. 57268
Why do you think it won't suck?

I guess i just really like the old episodes and movies for nostalgia reasons. This one has to prove itself without that benefit.
No. 57274 Kontra
Answer my question, as you seem to expect a decline in quality compared to the earlier ones.
I expect it to be the same as the others, which I also enjoyed, and I don't have any nostalgia at all except for the show itself.
No. 57275
Quality as in production quality? I'm sure that will be consistent.
I also never mentioned that i expect a decline in anything, i even mentioned the nostalgia. I already didn't like the 3rd movie as much and even here i blame the fact that i was in my 20s already more than the movie itself.

If you expect me to give you a reason why i think i might dislike it then i have to let you down.

I couldn't tell you why i disliked many movies that i actually saw. Sometimes there just isn't a reason for personal taste.
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Wouldn't be a simple answer that you aged and not everything that entertained you 10-15 years ago does the job today? I could compare it to food you ate as teen or child, you get all nostaligic about it but then try it and it is nothing like back then, because your taste buds have actually changed (some ingredients might have changed as well). Which is not a problem at all btw. It usually happens. Some people get entertained by the same stuff all their lives.

t. another German
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The Driver (1978)
Edgy neo-noir about a highly professional & stoic getaway driver. If that sounds familiar - it's probably cause Refn lifted the protagonist's character for his 2011 movie Drive, though except for a few scenes most of the story is different, here focussing on an arrogant detective (Bruce Dern) becoming obsessed with catching the "Driver".
Imho Ryan O'Neal's cool performance as a sort of over-grown James Dean is a better fit here than in his most famous role as Barry Lyndon & Isabelle Adjani is great as always.

The Wild Bunch (1969)
Sam Peckinpah's Western masterpiece about a band of outlaws at the end of their careers, paralleling the end of the genre of Western movies - Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid has some similar themes & was also released the same year.
The gang goes for one last heist which leads to a free-for-all bloodbath. I liked the melancholic tone pierced with some portrayals of male camaraderie & of course the copious amounts of raw & stylized violence.

His Girl Friday (1940)
About a female journalist that wants to quit the business but gets manipulated by her ex-boss (who's also her ex-husband) to do one last job. It's famous for its extremely fast-paced delivery by the actors, but while technically impressive I found their incessant yapping immensely annoying.

Keep Cool (1997)
After watching Zhang Yimou's Raise the Red Lantern with its static & perfected cinematography this was a complete surprise with its frenetic hand-held camera movements & wild editing with constant jump-cuts.
Initially this seemed to owe quite a lot to Wong Kar-Wai with the usage of fish eye lenses and the romance plot between slightly odd characters. But the plot soon turns into a much different direction, focussing on the unlikely friendship between a young nigh-illiterate book seller (apparently it was a popular business venture in 90s China - similar to Russia) & a middle-aged man whose laptop the book seller has broken in a brawl.
Hilarity ensues as they both end up in turns unsuccessfully arguing for the other to "keep their cool".
Thx to Spain Ernst for the recommendation!

>Roger Ebert once formulated the Stanton-Walsh rule
>the Kier rule says that every movie with Udo Kier in a supporting role is better than it would be without him.
That's a good one :D
I'm kinda intrigued to watch the movie where this clip with him in a main role is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7kYBNL8Rg
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>The Driver (1978)

I remeber watching this 11 years ago or so, when I was frenetically downloading movies from OSH, due to a friend having a payed for unlimite downloads. As kid I loved the Driver Game and I thnk even back then I thought about connections between movie and videogame. I guess the game is at least losely based on the movie, in the game you only play the role of the getaway driver in the 1970s an that is it basically.
No. 57294
I was filtered from Drivers because of a mandatory tutorial that doesn't explain to you how to play and I was too lazy to figure it out.
You may try to watch the "Grad theft auto" movie from the 70s btw.
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>Loved the mostly cheerful rock soundtrack, it's a nice ironic contrast to the dark story, e.g. this track in particular (it's basically the theme that comes up whenever the professor of scientific atheism appears :D): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhicVuApJ9w
Yes, also liked it. The point is to show contrast between facade of soviet society and reality. Same with old woman watching TV while there are rotting corpses in next room.
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I remember my old man getting me a vhs and a bunch of tapes for cheap at a garage sale when I was younger. The Wild Bunch was among them, and I watched it heaps. That is a hitting as fuck movie, no idea it was even acclaimed though.
No. 57326
Sorry, no pictures. It's a very underrated sci-fi from an underrated novelist. Has a unique style, in his sci-fis there is minimal tech babble, no epic space battles and such, they focus more on evolutionary and psychological questions. This is no exception, here the story goes around trying to lead home a disoverer spacecraft whose crew died off due to radiation, with implanting their minds into the brains of local humanoids of a distant planet.

It is available on youtube with subtitles:
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Morphine (2008)
Another by Balabanov with the story based on Bulgakov's writings and screenplay being written by the late Bodrov Jr. It's about a young doctor who's sent to work in a remote village where he becomes addicted to morphine. Meanwhile the Revolution is happening and towards the end it also reaches the outskirts where the film is set. The ending is very edgy but I liked it.

Courier (1986)
Soviet coming-of-age drama about an edgy teen who takes up a job as a courier as things are falling apart in 80s USSR, meanwhile the grown-ups constantly complaining about his and his peers' nihilism. Lovely cinematography & cool synth soundtrack which ties in with a broader theme of Western influences gaining prevalence, e.g. the film also shows brand clothing, breakdancing etc.
Absolutely hilarious for the most part due to the protagonist's "Soviet Holden Caulfield" antics but the ending is quite sad.

Shirli-myrli (1995)
Farcical comedy about a hunt for a thief who stole a gigantic diamond that's supposed to "pay off all of Russia's denbts and allow every citizen to live on the Canary Islands for three years". The catch is that the main actor ends up playing multiple roles of (wildly different) brothers separated at birth that constantly get confused for each other.
It's pretty funny and the ridiculousness sometimes borders on something straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon, but it's a good half hour or so too long.

Downfall (2004)
War drama about Hitler's last days in the bunker. Yep, that's the one that spawned the "Hitler finds out..." memes where he's raging at his generals.
No strong feelings about it tbh, it's just about what you'd expect from a historical drama. Nothing bad, but also nothing really interesting about it. Guess I liked how inhuman they managed to get the Goebbels actor to look.

>no idea it was even acclaimed though.
It was somewhat controversial but also influential due to its portrayals of violence, nowadays it's definitely considered a classic of ("revisionist") Westerns
>my old man getting me a vhs and a bunch of tapes
Noice, what other tapes did you get?
No. 57375
The problem is that is more an accurate representation of a guy like Himmler. Goebbels always looked extra scuzzy or sleazy to me. He didn't look inhuman, he just looked like a complete slimebag, the kind of guy who'd work in corporate PR and not tell any of his weekly hookers that he's HIV+. When I think about what Goebbels both acted and looked like I think about sleaze. When I think about Himmler it's basically that weird inhuman stare, the kind of a guy who'd think to do weird shit like take his daughters to see a concentration camp in between trying to find a way to make occult death magic actually work. Speaking of which I really wonder to what extent we actually did import those guys into our intelligence, mind control, and psychiatric programs and whether we really did have any idiots still trying to make black magic work while under CIA.
No. 57388
>Courier (1986)
It's interesting just how clearly evident the loss of belief in Soviet dream is in the movie. Ivan's coworkers' dreams are purely materialistic (like always having a certain atmospheric pressure for fishing or marrying a Japanese man), and Ivan's "wish" for communism to be victorious in the whole world causes a visible confusion in them. Ivan's friend Bazin just mindlessly says a line about serving humanist ideals when asked about his reasons of existence. Even professor Kuznetsov's question to Ivan about new generation keeping the Soviet legacy alive seems more like a desperate desire for confirmation that whatever his (professor's) generation did wasn't completely pointless (and naturally, he gets pissed off by Ivan's blatant nihilism). The movie shows very well just how wide the gap between different generations (and those generations' dreams and ideals) may be.

>Shirli-myrli (1995)
One of the few post-Soviet comedies that isn't a complete crap. It's still pretty bad somewhat, but I always sorta enjoyed it; guess I could call it my guilty pleasure. Most of the performances are eccentric, but funny nonetheless (especially Inna Churikova's, who also played Ivan's mom in Courier). Also, there are a lot of really good Soviet actors in small roles (Oleg Tabakov, Leonid Kuravlyov etc.), who were probably just making some money to survive (it was the nineties after all). Still, everything could be much worse, as even the Maestro of Soviet comedy Leonid Gaidai made some really mediocre movies at the end of his career.

Speaking of decent post-Soviet comedies, there are some more that I can recall. You may find them interesting:

Comedy of Strict Regimen
Prisoners in a camp put on a play about Lenin. The inmate playing Lenin gets a little bit too deep into his role.

Peculiarities of National Hunting/Fishing/Winter Hunting
Russian guys trying to hunt or fish but mostly end up drinking. There are some more movies from the series (Peculiarities of National Politics, Peculiarities of National Sauna) but they are utter trash and should be avoided.

Three guys end up in the army for different reasons, and they try to get accustomed to it and the overall weirdness of people around them.

I dunno if those movies got translated to foreign languages and if they can be translated at all without losing much of their humor, so some knowledge of Russian might come in handy. Maybe you have even seen some of them (IIRC, someone mentioned DMB in older thredas).
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Just finished watching this for the first time since childhood.
A fucking masterpiece, if you ask me.
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I remember this one, but I don't remember much.
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In preparation for movie "Pig"?
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I think the cinematography alone warrants a watch tbh, it's almost Caravaggio tier, lol. By the same guy who did lord of the rings.

I heard somewhere that the movie was an adaptation, and I thought the original was a graphics novel or something, the visuals and style were so rich. But apparently the original is a small children's book. I was having vivid images of what it would look like as a comic book as I was watching it.

There's plenty of things to like other than the visuals, too.
Despite being a children's movie that makes you laugh, tugs at your heart, makes you cheer, it has a dark, existential thread running underneath, that gets acknowledged just enough to get away with in a children's movie.

I could almost describe it as a "coming of age story about a child growing up in a death camp, but with talking animals instead". It brushes against topics that make me deeply uncomfortable about the reality we live in.
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>By the same guy who did lord of the rings.
And it was written by the guy who did the Mad Max films.
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Fear the Walking Dead
I never actually got into TWD and thought it was kinda boring or retarded, or not interesting dunno why I never liked it much maybe because it seemed more like a dumb soap opera but anyway somehow I got onto this show as part of a zombie kick and it's pretty good, albeit paranoia inducingI've literally spent the last week or two straight binge watching FtWD and reading WWZ including at night which also given certain features of my location is making me paranoid. Curtains drawn, general weirdo mentality at this point. I try to remind myself I'd know something is wrong because of dogs barking or something. It's retarded. Also mind warping

Vid related is actually I think one of the most perfect depictions of the fall of civilization I've ever seen in a short few minutes clip. Rioting, chaos, violence, mass hysteria, every imaginable dumb chimpout you can imagine compounded by police shootings, chain of command clusterfucks, all while society is unraveling, it's just great.

Sadly this was basically just the first season, which itself was basically just 6 episodes. I know TWD creators said how they wanted to explore life after zombie apocalypse, not right before and during like many other stories, but frankly it's the most interesting part of the show.

This sense is really amplified when you realize they're basically kicking up shitstorms of pointlessly retarded drama every damn episode for the sake of a show which is fully immersion breaking at times and makes you think "just why the goddamn hell didn't they just show the Great Panic and society unraveling for like two solid seasons? I'd watch the shit out of that." But instead season 2 is basically decent, but they constantly do such mindbendingly stupid shit you'll be yelling at the monitor because clearly no one is going to not only do all, but even any of the stupid shit these people do sometimes.

This really gets compounded by season 3 which gets supremely boring and season 4 to 5 by which point they're now not doing stupid shit to save themselves but doing stupid shit to save others to make up for the pointlessly stupid shit they did to get hundreds of people killed over the first 4 seasons. It's all so tiresome.

Even so, I managed to get to season 5 and am halfway through it. I just seriously need to stop binge watching it at night, in case it wasn't obvious by today thread remarks about daydreaming multiple zombie escape routes, likely none of which would work if it's not TV. Because as we all know, no matter how stupid a ploy it is, if it's deus ex machina for drama to pointlessly try and get yourself killed in a way no survivor ever word, there's some magical thing going to save you.

Sorry it really just grates on me after awhile. It feels like they had different writers in different seasons too, some worse than others, and gives me at times a profound sense of mediocrity because no good writer should have his characters do suspension of disbelief breaking moronic actions in a zombie apocalypse of all things for TV drama. It really should flow organically.

However, what does help at times is a general Game of Thrones/Sons of Anarchy nuTV series mantra of anybody can die. Without spoiling much all I'll say is by season 5 not everyone is still alive including people presented as important earlier on. So, at least there is that.

Seriously I just finished an episode and all I'm thinking is "yknow, shit like that is exactly why the zombie apocalypse happened in the first place--because you dumb shits kept compromising the entire group for one person, or wandering off to do something stupid, or splitting up, or any manner of stupid shit I saw you do."

I'm really trashing it more than I intended but if I watch something this much guaranteed it's at least entertaining, and just my one big problem is the sense of dumb actions for sake of drama. It does work however in that my blood pressure and cortisol levels feel substantially elevated after binging.

All in all would rate decently, and definitely give the first season a shot. It's really season 3 where it kinda goes to hell, before switching narrative devices in season 4 that I at least found interesting.
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Kisapmata (1981)
Drama-thriller by Filipino director Mike de Leon about an overly-protective & abusive father who torments his daughter and her newly married husband. Watched it due to its exceptionally high critical acclaim (4.3/5 on letterboxd, 100% on RottenTomatos) but while it's generally nicely shot I found it very boring.

Blow Out (1981)
De Palma's mystery-thriller about a sound recordist who witnesses a crime while doing field recordings and subsequently gets dragged into a political conspiracy. It's great at maintaining suspense and a fast pace, though I'm left a bit puzzled by the abrupt and darkly ironic ending.

Demons (1985)
Pretty bonkers zombiedemon horror set in a movie theater (ofc leading to some meta-jokes), filmed partly in Berlin. Written and also influenced by Argento - e.g. the visuals and usage of synth & heavy metal music. There are some hilarious far-out scenes: punks sniffing coke through a straw in a Coke can, the katana & motorcycle installation at the beginning as obvious Chekhov's gun etc., but the writing other than that is rather lackluster.

>The movie shows very well just how wide the gap between different generations (and those generations' dreams and ideals) may be.
I like how it captures so much of the specific historical time and place of Soviet 80s, at the same time there's also this more universal idea of generational gaps & teenage rebellion. Also wonder if it might be more well known if not for the atrocious poster :D
>especially Inna Churikova's, who also played Ivan's mom in Courier
Yeah, she's great - the reason why I watched it after Courier tbh

Thanks for the recs!
>Maybe you have even seen some of them (IIRC, someone mentioned DMB in older thredas).
Yep, I've posted about DMB, but haven't seen the other ones yet, tho I heard about the "Peculiarities of ..." series.
>some knowledge of Russian might come in handy
No worries about me - Russian's actually my first language. I just enable the Subs to take screencaps or to check their quality, which I agree is often rather mediocre & ofc that's worst when it comes to comedies, some joges just might be almost untranslatable. Mb one'd need something like T/L notes that are sometimes seen in anime subs.

Damn, I think I've never even seen the first one despite watching the sequel Babe: Pig in the City probably dozens of times since we had it on VHS. Think I'll have to do a Babe-athon soon.
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I just watched Whisky (2004) from Uruguay
really good, I hope you could appreciate it
it's just about the life of an old man and his routine, and the discomfort he felt during his brother's visit
(I'm not good explaining films, but I tried)
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(mostly) European Horror edition.

The Samurai (2014)
German horror-thriller set in a small village about a young policeman who's trying to befriend a wolf but ends up chasing around a mysterious transvesite wielding a katana. I liked it more for the gory and humorous passages (epitomized in the extremely phallic showdown at the very end), too bad it's overly committed to its juvenile symbolism about coming out.
Something just bugs me about this self-pitying sense of being an oh-so misunderstood/repressed genius trapped & bullied by their rural surroundings that seems to permeate this movie. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, I think the movie is quite enjoyable if you discard the rather shallow psychological angle.
Since it's on yt I just have to share the ending bcs it cracks me up so much (NSFW): https://youtu.be/jp0abzGru40?t=4089

Hagazussa (2017)
Another German horror, about a shunned woman in a remote village in the 15th century Alps. It's extremely slow and there's almost no dialogue, just highly aestheticized imagery (dominated by wide landscape shots & close-ups of the more grisly details) combined with a droning soundtrack. It really packs a punch, esp. some of the images in the 2nd half are not for the squeamish, however it seriously tests one's patience.
Basically if you think The Witch (2015) had too much action & dialogue - boy is this a film for you. For me - not so much, ultimately it's a mostly visceral experience and once the film is over there is not much to analyze or think about.

Brotherhood of the Wolf (2001)
French mystery-action-horror about a nobleman scientist & his Native American sidekick trying to solve a series of murders, purportedly committed by some beast, in the French countryside. I'm seriously impressed how well it works considering how many genres it attempts to mix - on top of the historical period drama & mystery-horror there's some pretty well-done Hong Kong style martial arts action (including a lot of slo-mo and other cinematographical tricks) & of course a good dash of romance & eroticism (it's a French film after all).
It's quite notable for serving as one of the (mostly visual) inspirations for the Bloodborne video game - definitely the Hunter costumes, probably also the claw weapons, the Beast design, and mb more.

Alien Resurrection (1999)
Finally got around to the fourth installment of the series. There's some odd humor & dialogue here and there - but other than that I'm not sure why it gets so much flak. Quite impressive performance by Sigourney Weaver - at least compared to her more reserved role in Alien 3. Whole ending sequence with the "abortion" of the hybrid alien was great and surprisingly emotional - even if marred a bit by the somewhat crappy CGI.

Thanks for sharing, I'll put it on my watchlist.
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My favorite part of Alien Ressurection is sseting. We go not in world we know but in waaay distant future.
Some strange "United systems" with red stars on their badges
Earth is destroyed shithole nobody cares about
People mentions "Old time Terran corporations" as something from distant past
Wars with synthets and bans of synthet productions

It is not our world anymore, it is closer to what was in StarCraft 1.
I love atmosphere, soundtrack, props and bacgrounds of this movie. And it was the only logical way to continue Ripley story. And it feels like not Alien movie sometimes - but one of the stories from universe of distant future. And I'd loved to see sequel of this. Half-human Ripley and pirates and Android girl trying to find way out from abandoned, forgotten and deadly post-apocalyptic Earth, by trying to contact Synthet freedom agents, while united systems starships already closing in. Maybe even without ayyliens

Also CGI is sometimes meh but there hell lot of practical effects and they done great
No. 57679
There are books or at least one book dealing with what happens after the movie.
No. 57680
"Durch die Nacht mit Schlingensief und Friedman" is a 10/10 German TV moment
No. 57694
I know Alien universe has a lot of "expanded content" but I don't want to get into it. I know a lot of it most probably is meh quality stuff which will ruin an atmosphere. I only saw some bits of Dark Horse comics stuff and AvP games.
No. 57695
Not even the bad stuff of the expanded universe, even with AvP and all that, has ruined Alien as much as Scott himself did with Prometheus ff.
Fuck that fuck, he has only made three good films overall anyway.
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The Green Knight (2021)
Went to see this one at a movie theatre.
It's a "fantasy" film based on an Arthurian romance from the 14th century about Sir Gawain who gets challenged by a mysterious Green Knight to strike him and to receive the return strike a year later. As you might infer from e.g. the yellow & red rather than green in the poster - this will be some twisted & post-modern take on it rather than an adaptation authentic to the original. I.e. rather than a hero that embodies chivalric values the movie's protagonist is basically Shinji from NGE.
The film is also much slower and brooding than the adventurous tone of the trailer might make it appear. There are large stretches when almost nothing happens, we just get to see Gawain wander through various locales, which admittedly look amazing - I was also very impressed with the sound design. Sometimes he has an encounter, but most of the time it's rather inconsequential to the central plot.
I'd recommend it if you have patience & like to do some thinking and reading about the movie (& the source material) afterwards - otherwise it's a rather perplexing though audio-visually engrossing experience.

Another Round (2020)
Tragicomedy about some Danish schoolteachers who decide to do an experiment about being slightly drunk all the time. Pretty OK watch but imho the film stays too much in a comfortable middle ground and doesn't quite capture either the lows or the highs I associate with alcoholism - except ofc for Mads Mikkelsen's dance scene at the end.

The Place Beyond the Pines (2012)
Only watched it since I wanted to see the autistic Goose Man in action, but was promptly disappointed (that's a mild spoiler I suppose).

The Mill and the Cross (2011)
A film based on Pieter Bruegel's painting The Procession to Calvary. Prime example of how it's impossible to transfer a masterpiece from one medium to another. The scenes that try to recapture the flat style of paintings are interesting visually, but the rest of the movie just consists of vignettes about different aspects of the painting which for the most part are profoundly boring and don't even look that well - just like something from a medieval fair.
This should've been a multimedia project for a museum rather than a feature film.
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Resurrection was an unspeakably terrible film regardless
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Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975)
Kind of like the Russian joke about the bear that sits sees a car, sits down in it, and burns to death. Except that it's about cute teenage girls at an Australian private school who mysteriously disappear at the eponymous Picnic.
Very unique movie that I loved a lot. Probably the closest comparison would be with Lynch's Twin Peaks - there is a similar absence of the heroine(s) throughout the movie which results in all sorts of unsavory secrets of the small community coming to the fore. Also a similar sensibility for nature combined with an eerie ambient soundtrack.

Sorcerer (1977)
William Friedkin's loose remake of the 1953 French thriller Wages of Fear (1953) . Not quite as gripping & emotional as the original - but it's absolutely awesome in its own way: heavy dose of 70s grit, nihilism & violence, eye-poppingly lush colors (just look at those greens!), banging synth soundtrack.
Really fucking good, just take a look at that trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDbIzovuos

12 Chairs (1971)
Classic Soviet adventure/comedy about an eccentric con artist & a former aristocrat who try to hunt down a diamond treasure hidden in one of the eponymous 12 Chairs which once belonged to the aristocrat's family.
Based on the novel by Ilf & Petrov, directed by Leonid Gaidai. Very funny, but I'm unsure how well it translates.
Any of the Russian speakers here know how it compares to the 1977 version by Mark Zakharov?

Earth (1930)
Soviet silent film by Ukrainina director Alexander Dovzhenko about the collectivization of a village & the conflicts involved - i.e. the older villagers being wary of collectivization & technology and the rich kulaks ofc being ruthless slitthroats as usual. It veers between propagandistic (had a good laugh at the scene where they get the tractor) & poetic. There's the frenetic montage editing of Eisenstein esp. highlighted in a scene that shows the production of bread from wheat that fetishizes the machines & industrialization, but also plenty of somber & elegiac moments that rather reminded me of Tarkovsky.
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Gonna do a quick double-post to clear up the backlog.

Bringing Out the Dead (1999)
Scorsese's drama about a burnt-out paramedic played by Nicolas Cage. Supporting cast of Patricia Arquette, John Goodman, Tom Sizemore etc. is pretty insane, to top that off if you watched Sopranos or The Wire - you'll see a couple of familiar faces in smaller roles.
I kept putting it off since I was afraid that the subject would be too heavy, so I was positively surprised when it turned out to be relatively light-hearted, or in any case there is enough comedy to offset the heavier parts and the ending is beatifully redemptive.

Nashville (1975)
Robert Altman's epic starring an ensemble cast of 24 characters - which it doesn't fail to mockingly advertise within the first few minutes. It's fun to watch all the intertwining narratives about the country music industry, election politics & romance - but it's ultimately just slightly too American for me.

Asako I & II (2018)
Idiosyncratic romance drama by Japanese director Ryusuke Hamaguchi. In the first part the heroine falls in love with the mysterious Baku who then promptly disappears. Later, having moved to Tokyo she meets another guy who looks just like her first lover, but is a regular-nice-guy office worker. After some initial confusion, they fall in love. Several years later, as they're about to get married & settle down, the mysterious Baku reappears.
Quite intelligent & formally interesting, reminds me a lot of Hong Sang-soo. Also very beatiful & crisp cinematography.

Samurai Cop (1991)
Notorious so-bad-its-good action B-movie. Objectively terrible cinematography, writing, acting, music ofc, so unless you're into that stuff just watch a best-of to get some laughs out of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ibYnkoDmA
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>Sorcerer (1977)
I liked it more than the original, especially the ending, personally.
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Pretty interesting mockumentary about Soviet Union launching a rocket to the Moon in 1938. It's not exactly funny, since the main theme of it is the contrast between people being eager to sacrifice everything for their country and the country treating them with callousness and disrespect. Of special note is sheer determination the first Soviet cosmonaut Ivan Kharlamov has to get back home: after crash-landing in Chile, he manages to get first to Marquesas Islands, then to Solomon Islands, then to China as a stowaway, and after that crossing the whole China on foot and ending up in Mongolia where he got picked by Soviet army one and a half year later after the rocket launch. He promptly gets put into the psychiatric ward under NKVD surveillance. Neither of the four cosmonaut candidates get the deserved recognition, and they all end their lives being forgotten by everyone.

Since it's a mockumentary, it's done in a style usual for actual documentaries: "archive footage" interspersed with interviews in present day. The "archive footage" is done with a good attention to detail and it successfully "captures" the 30's USSR aesthetics. My favorite scene is probably the rocket being transported to the launch pad by steam engines: a nice mix of the past in the form of slow coal-fired engines and the future in the form of a sleek high-tech rocket. Really makes me proud of the Soviet achievements, even though they are fictional.
No. 57882
>12 Chairs (1971)
>Any of the Russian speakers here know how it compares to the 1977 version by Mark Zakharov?
Gaidai's version is better, IMO. Zakharov's film is really good too, and the Mironov-Papanov duo are brilliant, just like they were in Beware of the Car and The Diamond Arm, but it's more experimental and has musical numbers (which are fine by themselves, but I'm not really fond of the concept of musical numbers in movies). Plus I think that Gaidai's film is simply funnier. Still, definitely worth a watch.
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I wonder how they translated it to English. I guess that's impossible without losing all the fun.
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Is 12 Chairs like Chapaev where everyone from an ex-USSR country knows what it is but haven't actually read the book itself it's based on, just watched a movie adaptation of it?
No. 57889
12 chairs -- only watched adaption.
Chapaev -- never watched film (those who under 50), just know jokes about Pet'ka, Anka and Chapaev.
No. 57896
There is a Mel Brooks adaptation which actually predates both Soviet films. I haven't seen it myself, but I think it should give the general idea whether Ilf-Petrov humor works in English.

Most people only watched any (or both) of the adaptations for the simple reason that people don't read books. Those who do read books are very likely to have read The Twelve Chairs, since it's among the most famous and popular Russian-language humorous/satirical works. If you are curious about it, I strongly recommend reading the book and its sequel The Golden Calf — both are 10/10 IMO.
No. 57899

Gaidai adoption in places not THAT strict to the book and have more "modern" moments and visuals in places, (which is sort of the idea if you look at the ending), but it carries the spirit and feel of the book.
No. 57900 Kontra
I own both 12 Chairs and Golden Calf because they're the kind of books that were mass printed during the 50s-60s and you can find a copy for half the price of a cheeseburger on the street and I've seen them referenced often enough that they peaked my interest, it's just that I haven't gotten to reading either of them just yet.
No. 57958
So, I watched "Dracula" from 1931, which I didn't enjoy very much. The movie delivered the feeling that it was rather a theater play being filmed than a real movie. So, you might imagine that it was pretty weird in some scenes regarding dialogue, intonation and such as you can't transfer a play one to one into a movie. Wouldn't recommend.

Next I watched "Dead Man" by Jim Jarmusch. Jarmusch is in my experience an ambivalent director, some of his movies are masterpieces, some are utter shit. "Dead Man" is neither. The story isn't really the focus of the movie, but it rather tries to convey a certain mood and feeling. "Dead Man" is an abstract and spiritual movie that disintegrates in the viewer's mind. A few days have passed since I watched it and I can't say I fully understood this movie. But although the story is very weak and doesn't make a whole lot of sense, I liked the beauty of "Dead Man". If you like the poetry of Jarmusch, you should also watch "Dead Man".

Last movie I watched was "Blood for Dracula" from 1974 that was released by Andy Warhol. This movie is utter shit. A steaming pile of garbage. The acting is ridiculously bad as well as the story. In the movie, Dracula is dying and he needs blood of a Virgin to stay alive. So he travels with his servant to Italy to find a virgin wife from whom he can suck the blood out. If you like to torture yourself, watch it. If not, then don't.
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Hot Fuzz (2007)
It's the fourth Edgar Wright movie I watch and the last of the famous Cornetto trilogy. Easily as fun to watch as the others. It's the story of a London super efficient cop who gets mutated in a small byldo town in the coutryside. At some point I couldn't stop laughing out loud, the jokes just keep coming. Fast cut scenes and the great number of visual jokes surely played their role. Though I found the first part of the movie way funnier than the second.

Empire of Passion (1978)
I went to see this movie completely unaware of its nature and it resulted in me watching this erotic drama on the family TV hoping nobody enters the room. It's based on a true story of a libertine couple who lived in japan a bit before WWI. The movie is radical in the way it potrayed seggs. The staging was very clean and impressively good and the two main actors were stunning. I went and read a bit about the story around the movie and learned that the director, Nagisa Ōshima, had unsprisingly mad other very controversial movies. But Empire of Passion was so explicit that japanese law enforcers came and confiscated the tapes and the guy was trialed for obsenity.

Paprika (2006)
A japanese animation movie about a group of scientists creating a tool allowing people to enter other people's dream. My expectations before seeing this movie were very high and it left me kinda disapointed. Though the movie still managed to move enough to make me run a tear due to how beautiful it was, especially the oniric scenes. And the music was exellent.

Zatoishi (2003)
Very strange samurai movie. It was the first Takeshi Kitano movie I watched seriously. I heard that he voluntarly didn't display any expression on his face while he play a character to let the public freedom of interpretation over his character's emotions. And it was noticable and pretty great. All the movie is filmed with a truly ugly light filter from the first half of the 2000s and the action is kinda cartoony.
No. 57995
>the last of the famous Cornetto trilogy.

Isn't it the second? Worlds End is last and Shaun of the Dead is first i think.
No. 57997 Kontra
It was the last I watched. But yes I think the last in date is the world’s end.
No. 58000
>I watched "Dracula" from 1931, which I didn't enjoy very much
I liked it, but I think that Nosferatu films (both Murnau's and Herzog's) are better, and the original Nosferatu also manages to be scarier despite being almost a decade older. As for weird intonations, they simply may be a result of Bela Lugosi struggling with English language.
No. 58007
I actually didn't refer to Lugosi, but rather to Dwight Frye who played Renfield. His acting was way over the top and too exaggerated. I didn't enjoy that very much.
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Rewatched one of my favorite cartoons in my childhood: Cossacks. It's about three Ukrainian dudes: Oko (Dex-build; team's speedster and sharpshooter), Grai (Int-build; responsible for cunning plans and winning strategies) and Tur (Str-build; when brawn is needed, there's no one better than him). They go on adventures and get acquainted with different (anachronistic) cultures of the world — it sometimes reminds of Asterix and Obelix a bit, but the humor is quite different at least because it's non-verbal. There are eight episodes total (there's also the ninth episode made after the USSR's fall, but I haven't seen it when I was a kid, so I didn't watch it now; it probably sucks anyway):

1. How Cossacks Cooked Kulesh. Cossacks notice that they are out of tobacco, and go to procure some. Oko gets in trouble with Crimean Tatars, so Grai and Tur have to rescue him. This episode differs quite a lot from the rest due to its visual style being much simpler. Still, it's pretty good.

2. How Cossacks Played Football. Cossacks decide to participate in the World Football Championship. They face three teams: Germany (or probably HRE, judging by their aesthetics), France and England, each with their special playing style, but in the end they manage to emerge victorious. One of three of my favorite episodes, I also love the soundtrack, especially Germans' theme.

3. How Cossacks Rescued Brides. Nasty pirates rampage all around the world stealing everything. When they visit Ukraine, they kidnap pretty Ukrainian girls, so cossacks set out to rescue them and punish the pirates. My favorite things about this episode is segments showing the foreign lands — Greece, Egypt and India — before they are looted by pirates, especially India, which is the weirdest one and paints the mysterious East perfectly.

4. How Cossacks Went to Buy Salt. Cossacks notice that they are out of salt, and go to buy some. There are no salt at the market though, because evil landlord stole it all for himself. Cossacks decide to get it back and teach the landlord a lesson. This one is entirely set in Ukraine for a change, and it's also the shortest episode. Weaker than all the other episodes, probably except for the first, but still not bad.

5. How Cossacks Went to Olympics. The god Zeus gets tired of constant battles instigated by the god Mars, and so he decides to redirect people's energy to peaceful competition instead — Olympics. Cossacks get the wind of it and aim to take part themselves. Meanwhile Mars is not very happy with the situation and wants to sabotage it, but he gets thwarted by cossacks. The second of the three of my favorite episodes.

6. How Cossacks Helped Musketeers. The Dutch prince falls in love with an Eastern princess and asks his aunt — the Queen of France — for help. She sends her trusted musketeers as ambassadors to exchange gifts with Sultan and arrange marriage, but cardinal, who wanted to marry the prince on his niece, goes after musketeers to stop the marriage from happening. Musketeers crash-land in Ukraine, and cossacks, seeing kindred souls in musketeers, decide to help them to complete their mission. Fun episode with quite ridiculous moments (how couldn't the Cardinal's guards spot the musketeers in drag?).

7. How Cossacks Celebrated Marriage. Tur falls in love with a poor girl, and he goes to find her beautiful shoes, but ends up being captured by the Devil and his demons and witches. Oko and Grai rescue him and kick some demon ass. The third of my three favorite episodes. This one is heavily influenced by Gogol's Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka (great read, BTW) and combines spooky and funny moments (it's mostly funny, of course, since it's a kids' cartoon). Oko's and Grai's trip (heh) through the forest is my favorite.

8. How Cossacks Met the Aliens. Aliens crash-land in the Ukraine because their flying saucer is out of oil. Cossacks depart together with them to find a replacement, and they visit Bulgaria, Rome and Spain. Also a bit weak episode, and the most anachronistic one.

Despite the animation is somewhat bad and there are quite a lot of fuck-ups (Tur's moustache even vanishes in one moment; come on, how could you forget to draw a moustache?), I still enjoyed rewatching it.
No. 58009
Dunno, his being over the top actually sold his character for me. It's Renfield after all, he's gotta be batshit insane. But eh, to each their own.
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Emanuelle in America (1977)
I suppose it was just a question of time until my curiousity gets me into some of the more lurid corners cinema has to offer. "Cinema is the ultimate pervert art" and uh.. all that. In any case, this is an entry into a series of sexploitation movies called Black Emanuelle, starring the sensual & exotic (dark-skinned if not actually what one'd call black) Laura Gemser and directed by Joe D'Amato.
The film constists of the titular Emanuelle travelling to various high-society locales where she conducts her undercover photojournalism, watching or even joining in various sexual practices. Most of the eroticism is pretty tame softcore stuff, with the second half suddenly incorporating some hardcore scenes. More baffling, or perhaps even disturbing is one of the first "erotic" scenes in which a girl jerks off a horse's (what one must assume is a fake) cock, and even moreso the snuff film scenes featured in the last third of the movie.
Gotta admit that I enjoyed this quite a bit - cinematography/direction are quite solid, acting & writing not too bad, the erotic scenes don't overstay their welcome and allow the story (ahem) to move on. Well, truth be told, the story ultimately doesn't really go anywhere - but the episodes manage to maintain their momentum. Also the soundtrack is surprisingly great and does a lot of work in keeping the movie together.

Taurus (2001)
Sokurov's arthouse film about two days in the life of Lenin during the last years of his life, as he's cut off from politics and his health in rapid decline. He's shown as a pathetic figure surrounded by his wife and sister but mostly party handlers irreverent of the old Leader. Constantly teetering between delusions of grandeur and suicidal thoughts, finally succumbing to some sort of dementia.
The first half drags somewhat, but the second is great as it contains the highlight - a visit by Stalin. If you can stand the pace and chaotic (sometimes seemingly improvised) bickering between all the characters and the utterly drab colors - there's even a good amount of humour there.

Pretty in Pink (1986)
High school romance flick from the feather of John Hughes (The Breakfast Club etc.). Just regular love triangle stuff with the two leads being absolute emotionless bricks. Jon Cryer (the uncool guy from 2&1/2 Men) is kinda interesting as the hipster best friend secretly in love with the Girl, but doesn't elicit a shred of likability - so I understand why the original ending in which he was supposed to get the Girl was scrapped. James Spader is great as the asshole prep boy antagonist, and Harry Dean Stanton adds some flavor to an otherwise thankless role as the single parent father of the Girl.
The soundtrack is pretty solid - mostly New Wave stuff from that era. I was particularly glad to pick up this song's title (you might recognize it from a MGSV trailer or a Stranger Things ep): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LY3ftiLqmE

Prometheus (2012)
>>57695 made me fear the worst, but I kinda liked it. The writing might be quite sloppy, but visually it was interesting (aside from the "makers" looking like handsome squidwards - dunno what's up with that) and I enjoyed some of the performances quite a bit. Charlize Theron is great, Sean Harris albeit in a small role gives a lot of flavor, Idris Elba seemingly doesn't give a fuck (in a good way), kinda unsure about Michael Fassbender - I liked the parallel to Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia initially, but for being a main character he lacked any sort of development or standout moment. I'll admit the leading scientist couple sucked pretty bad though.
I'm not even gonna bother scratching my head at how it's supposed to tie into with the rest of the franchise.

Nice picks, I'll have to see that Oshima movie, so far I've only seen some of his less racier ones.

>Nosferatu films (both Murnau's and Herzog's) are better
Seconding this
No. 58013
Sometimes, a previously great figure in Hollywood will make something so mind numbingly retarded or nonsensical all of a sudden I can understand why some people accuse them of pushing some lowkey Illuminati propaganda piece, that or being on psychotic amounts of drugs surrounded by yes men telling them yeah sure great idea hoss. Prometheus is one of those movies. On its own it wasn't actually that bad per se, in fact as an action horror scifi flick was pretty decent to watch albeit way more dumbed down than usual. I think sometimes people see great visuals with such pisspoor storytelling their brains try and convince them it is high art rather than just garbage, a tendency amplified by the fact Western high art has been sometimes literal garbage ever since absolute pieces of shit like Andy Warhol who I am convinced was directly on CIA payroll when they were trying to fund abstract art. Or useless pricks like DuChamp and all the rest.

Is Prometheus that terrible? No. But it was fairly mindless on its own, and I don't even think of it as set in the same universe as Alien movies. I flat out don't consider it canonical. But then again, crass commercialization gave us so many trashy alien vs predator movies that basically the first Alien movie is like that last monk on holy terra keepong the final candle of faith lit before Cameron comes and brutally murders him.

P.s. the Imperial Creed is a lie, the chaos gods are the only true gods and the false emperor is a brute who's lying to you and had the audacity of trying to make himself the sole empyrean being on this side
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Cozy classics of sovok animations. Also want to rewatch them now.
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Watched this after all shit it got. Pretty decent thing yet, dunno how a looser you need to be to hate it for "ruining he man" or something. If this will end on cliffhanger and closed because "fans" (he man fans lmao) would downvote together with poltards who searching sjws under their bed, it will be another example of "why we can't have good things". I want to see FUGGING SKELETHOR BECOMING A GOD
Also first episode everybody liked is weakest for me but it got better over time. Bits of post-magical postpocalypse with technocult in style of those cyclops worshippers from ulysses31 who turn people into scavengers from Starchaser was cool.
And yes, original he man was toy selling scooby doo tier garbage, this one is actual cartoon with plot and characters. Even Orco not a "funny thing" anymore. 7,5/10 after first 5 episodss which currently avalible.
No. 58143
>>>57695 made me fear the worst, but I kinda liked it.
That was me lol

>I'm not even gonna bother scratching my head at how it's supposed to tie into with the rest of the franchise.
And that was a wise decision. You see, Alien is in my top 3 scifi AND horror films. I watched Prometheus in 2012 when it came out. Marketing played heavily into the NEW RIDLEY SCOTT ALIEN SAGA angle. When I watched it, I was immensely disappointed. It could probably work as a standalone b movie, but not as an Alien prequel (especially if you read up a bit on thr originally conceived lore, which was a lot more interesting than dna bombs and squids, see strange shapes blog).
Gladly 2012 also saw the release of Dredd 3D, which I saw in the cinema and which is, to this day, the only pleasant 3D experience I've had.
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>I kinda liked it
I can only imagine for the same reasons that someone watches videos of accidents on liveleak.
>but visually it was interesting
Yeah ok this is true: It looks good. But otherwise the movie is a bag full of shit with a lot of lipstick on it. Usually I have no problems with shit movies, as long as they don't try to act like if they were good, but Prometheus should have been a great movie and failed miserably. Aside from the first few visually very impressive minutes where there was no dialogue (so they couldn't start fucking it up yet), that movie was a trainwreck, and rarely a funny one. Didn't even bother to watch the next installment - unlike most of my friends, which made me think about how it doesn't even matter if a movie is good or not, because the majority will still run to the cinemas and watch the next one.
No. 58169
"Real He Man fans" what the fuck
You should see the discussion boards on Steam for games like VTMB 2. Literally the entire fucking board is nothing but woke rightist poltards screeching nonstop how "wokeness is going to ruin this game" a fucking WoD game of all things. Did any of these faggot polzoomers even play VTMB? ChristI've slowly come to hate these people so fucking much thanks to vidya it's legit swung me in the opposite direction. I've slowly come to agree with the tankies and angry leftists of this board and elsewhere, for other reasons IRL too but due to where I go online I solely deal with those fuckwits being a cancer on everything
Still have no interest in watching it though. Basically murican cartoons started going to shit in late 90s, maybe started even as earlier as mid 90s. I remember I watched lots and lots of really fantastic Saturday morning cartoons. That truly was the one and only aspect of my life where, yes, being an American child was absolutely everything as fantastic as you can imagine it to be. Which really saying that now I imagine anyone could have lived what I lived if they just existed in bilingual home.

People that like Spongebob utterly mystify me. It's an atrocious, mindless, artless terrible shitty fucking cartoon whose shittiness rivaled solely by Teletubbies. Fucking British.I think. Everything after late 90s was so horrible it's borderline mental child abuse subjecting your children to it as their baby sitter.

I have no idea where concept came from that children's cartoons should be mindless, stupid, obnoxious and loud. Actually now I'm really writing it out for first time in my life maybe that somehow factors in to why I mostly got along with guys/girls a little bit older than me, and mostly identify with Gen Xers because their childhood had cartoons with plot and point to them whereas I came at tail end of it. Probably also being the last who grew up without cellphones, 9/11 and Columbine police state mentality became contributing factorswhen I was young it was completely normal for American children to play with pipe bombs and synthesize TATP from some internet recipe and so onobviously that changed very quickly but now I really am wondering if just shitty cartoon culture helped make almost everyone younger than me in this country annoying and dumb as people in a way people now 37-39 yo are not. Usually. Mostly.
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It may be wrong to feed American on his flag-burning kratom rant, but

I'm young enough to watch cartoons in 00-s, and without doubt I would say that Avatar: The Last Airbender was perfect.
I also used to watch Sponge Bob, Shaman King, Men in black W.I.T.C.H., don't remember much about them, but seem like normal children cartoons. Also watched South Park then, and it was great and it is still great as I rewatch older seasons now.
Which old cartoons in your opinion are better than that? Woody Woodpecker? Tom and Jerry? I'm sure you just project your personal feelings of nostalgia on reality as usual.
No. 58176
I'll ignore your first part of that post as if you haven't been screeching hysterically about right-wing populism for years uninterrupted.

There was tons of mindless animated media in the 1990s. Remember Ren and Stimpy? Space Ghots: Coast to Coast? Johnny Bravo? Dexter's Laboratory? Powerpuff Girls? Cow and Chicken? I Am Weasel? I won't even bother going into the pseudocapeshit like Biker Mice from Mars, SWAT Kats, Street Sharks or Extreme Dinosaurs that were all animated toy commercials with stories. There were tons of media that put style over substance during that period.

I still consider myself a fan of Courage the Cowardly Dog. That show's stories are timeless and watchable even today. An abandoned, abused dog skittish as hell rises to the occasion to save his owners from the assorted perils that await them.

South Park's first 10 seasons are incredible, but man, did they shit the bed hard after season 11. With the exceptions of season 18 and 19, it just seems they either completely lost the plot on what appeals to viewers, they're being gagged by their own writers/higher ups or just them simply not giving a shit anymore. It went from biting satire of both the left and right to just inane cultural references, tired jokes, failed attempts at being memetic and humorless moralizing.

Much like George Lucas, it seems Matt and Trey have become filled with cynicism and contempt for their own creation.
>poorly animated little show by two Libertarians who lampoon pop culture and both the political left and right
>become successful, get rich but stick to the formula
>take on Scientology, get threatened but Viacom sticks with them because money
>take on extremist Muslims and gets censored by higher ups
>now certain episodes are pulled, never to re-air
>hit milestone 200th
>corporate overlords censor it and never re-air it
>Matt and Trey go from "everything can be funny" to "we shouldn't do that, it's offensive"
>Matt and Trey have first real success outside of South Park and get praise from the same liberals who hated them for South Park
>tone of the show changes, it's less funny and more progressive-friendly, catering to the very people it used to mock
>shows are now almost entirely political and topical, no more silly adventures by the boys where they learn something
>Comedy Central no longer censors episodes or pulls them now that Matt and Trey have watered it down into a liberal-friendly shadow of its former glory
>South Park dies a slow, boring death while Matt, Trey and Viacom cash in
No. 58179
Ah, couldn't agree more. I think T&M just got too old for that. When you are young, you have enough energy and courage to sue with Scientologists, make fun of the most peaceful religion on earth, struggle with your hosts trying to censor your show. But now they just want to live with their families in their neat liberal neighborhood and don't have any problems. Also after 2016 people started to take things too seriously (though T&M got tired before that).
Maybe it would be more honest if they just closed the show instead of raping it's corpse. But on the other hand, they get some money from it, and we can just pretend that we don't see it.
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BTW Futurama is great as well, and it was on air in 2000-s.
No. 58181
Since 2017 I've generally stayed just in vidya threads, for obvious reasons Personally at this point I'm fed up obviously. I still try and ignore everything but vidya, computers, and art, but when no matter where I go or discuss someone tries forcing it into discussion it's impossible not to join in shitting on wokeness from pol. I also sometimes comment on art outside computer stuff like films or on science, but mostly I use this board for autistic shitposting about vidya games like I did on KC. Mentioning art and vidya is a pretty good way to bait me though. You can go back to shitposting at other Americans about Satanic elite pop songs and Stalin was right all along or whatever

>Remember Ren and Stimpy?
Yeah and it was done basically just for sake of edginess or at least what was considered really edge for when it first appeared. iirc it'd be years before Beavis and Butthead appeared though again, it's actually something beyond retarded screeching.
> Space Ghots: Coast to Coast?
>Johnny Bravo?
No. Name sounds familiar but no.
>Dexter's Laboratory?
That wasn't mindless iirc it had you know actual plot and stuff but it was still a bit further out from my time. I was in college when that show appeared and probably watched an episode or two.
> Powerpuff Girls?
Yes. Afaik it had a story. Maybe it did not. I seemed to recall it having some morale at the end type of deal as usual but I didn't watch it.
>Cow and Chicken?
> I Am Weasel?

I don't have a clue what half the shows you said are and didn't even hear of it, not even once hearing the name of half of them, and you will notice I specifically pointed out late 90s and saying maybe it even started earlier not sure.

Oh wait nevermind apparently Dexter's pilot was mid 90s. I hadn't heard of it until I was actually in college though so I dunno didn't find it terribly interesting but from what I recall still had some kind overarching plot.

> Biker Mice from Mars, SWAT Kats, Street Sharks or Extreme Dinosaurs
I have absolutely no clue what any of these things are. What I recall of childhood is that a lot of shows were basically aesops for children, like Gumby, Pee Wee Herman, Mr. Rogers, Sesame Street, X-Men, that one Batman cartoon etc., and then later on some other ones like Geeker, Batman Beyond, Bump in the Night, The Tick, ReBoot whose name I had to look up and so on. I also forgot about Life with Louie. Also The Simpsons actually once was a thing which used to be good and was basically made for the whole family to watch. I remember some joke about a Kegel-sizer that went right over my head as a kid. It took me years and years to figure out what that word meant.

>An abandoned, abused dog skittish as hell rises to the occasion to save his owners from the assorted perils that await them.
See this is what I mean. The shows were actually about something.

>rest of that about Southpark
What? See this is what I mean and why I mostly stuck to vidya threads on casey until it was exclusively the thing not shitted up by 4kanker shitposts, until finally about 2017-2018 it was so completely shit I couldn't even have a single discussion about vidya. Liberals liked South Park afaik besides. I haven't got a fucking clue what that has to do with it. Or see
This Slav deciding to start shitposting about politics concerning He Man for some reason, which I stupidly responded to, hence why I usually stick to vidya and try to ignore shitposting. I see politics as a fucking cancer. I don't give a shit about your guys' shitflinging except when it creeps into what little space I have left, which once as a nerdy white guy was the internet, and now is barely any thread in my niche hobbies.

Also pidor, what the fuck is with flag burning? Because already famous shittiness of going to school made worse is something I question why zoomers are annoying dumbed down retards? Mostly I was shitting on zoomers and mentioned back in my day boomer reminiscing since TOTSE was pretty much not long after those cartoons for me. hence thinking about Beavis and Butthead and pipe bombs.

I already listed some of them see above. I can't believe I forgot Life with Louie. That was really underrated. I also just remembered Duck Tales. There was quite a few from that time.

>personal feelings of nostalgia on reality as usual.
If you're that one autistic Russian I find it amazing you still try projecting that onto me, when I've pointedly stated the opposite. You're the one with some fixation on old and sometimes really shitty games.
No. 58182
Like HoMM was objectively the nicer looking game. HoMM 2 looked much worse. HoMM III I still haven't finished a campaign yet, in fact a ton of your posts usually read like some kind of nostalgia of a kid growing up on a crappy computer playing Might and Magic and Elder Scrolls games.

You'll sit there and try to engage in petty personal attacks rather than discussing the vidya itself, and then try and make it like you were only discussing technical details that you don't even always focus on. You'll then make some directly personal butthurt posts when I disagree with something at the conceptual level, and keep trying to project some kind of bizarre weird shit on me to ad hominem with until you think it sticks as some box to put in me to continue arguing from that pivot as "people like you who play vidya" in spite of the fact I've repeatedly rebutted or corrected it, like for example trying to say stupid shit like "you only play triple A games" is one of your favorite shitposts.

I find great irony in this considering the fact that you, personally, like games as personal favorites that probably look like eldricht tech to you, that I personally played as a kid when it came out and wasn't as big a fan. There's also other games I used to think were great fun as a kid like Chuck Yeager's Air Combat which now I think are quite shit, although I guess it was probably impressive at a technical level for its time.
CRPGs and big budget games were however objectively better back then yes this is correct :--DDDYes my 30 something boomer childhood with pipe bombs and Beavis and Butthead was objectively better than fidget spinners and Spangebab :--DDDDD Sorry I probably shouldn't shitpost about zoomers I'm just getting really irritated in Steam discussions this weekend as usual. Some fucking kids are voting down easy af games like Prey because they can't even figure out how to play non-hand holdy console port crap and all I can think about is this ironically also an Arkane game https://kotaku.com/dishonoreds-party-level-rewrote-the-rules-of-stealth-ga-1613011624

So yes it is in general what I see as the dumbing down of all media and trashing of art and the cartoon discussion itself made me think about if even child cartoons are making people dumberI'm not talking about muh Illuminati or whatever ffs so don't even think about going that direction you retards and it reminds me of games.

Like you Russia, if you really have this weird vicarious nostalgia for early games from say 90s you will notice taking even Jedi Academy for instance. Playing it was a breath of fresh air. I'd almost forgotten what good real PC games felt like at that point. I mean doing math or logic problems in KOTOR, or those annoying platforming puzzles seemingly every dev liked to have from Jedi Outcast to Half Life, however in all those games it had two crucial ingredients: freedom and it made you think. You were actively rewarded for exploring and having a more inquisitive or creative mind. Now take games getting dumber for years to the point no one thought to even try jumping over guards to get up the stairs anyway. It's why I made that comment about Spongebob. Now games like Witcher even you literally are blocked by a 5cm root on the ground you obviously should be able to step on. Games where climbing a ladder is press A for cutscene. Games where no crouch or jump button even exists.

So yes what I do clearly see is the overall dumbing down of everything and I'm not sure why. Maybe the other American is right and partly it is not to offend anyone, but back in mah day we used to push shit anyway. There was a general feel of pushing limits back then in all ways. Maybe like this famous post-Soviet era on Wect song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6FVk2k4qsM it was I think a general feeling of being limitless. Now it seems everyone is obsessed with limits. But at the same time, there was a sort of aesop, moralizing point to the story aspect, which in a certain sense I feel like cartoons partway through and after the 90s became sort of nihilistic and soulless. Perhaps the other American ITT is correct though in that Ren and Stimpy was that borderline between limit testing and nihilism.

Oh yes I thought of that immediately too from youth. Or Simpsons Halloween specials was great, which
same thing with Simpsons. I don't honestly think it's about timidness. I think it's just about success and finally making into business enterprise until just another boring tedious job. Very few franchises don't get raped into earth due to financial reasons. Simpsons problem wasn't edginess but that it ran out of ideas, became not funny, tried bizarre stupid things to stay relevant like Marge getting boob job or rote celebrity cameo bullshit.
No. 58185
1. I have no idea what is "He-man" besides one silly youtube video
2. I'm not obsessed over old games, I play everything what runs on my PC.
You can easily distinguish me from other Russians by worse Runglish skills.

I haven't yet played Witcher 3, but you know, not all games are about gameplay. Some are more like interactive cinema or book, and it's not necessary a bad thing as long as this cinema is good.
However if complicated or difficult gameplay is what is important for you, just play Kerbal Space Program or Dark Souls or those game where you need to write assembler-like codes.
No. 58186 Kontra
>Like HoMM was objectively the nicer looking game. HoMM 2 looked much worse. HoMM III I still haven't finished a campaign yet, in fact, a ton of your posts usually read like some kind of nostalgia of a kid growing up on a crappy computer playing Might and Magic and Elder Scrolls games.
You talk with other Russian. I don't read your posts anymore much, same as almost don't post there honestly, sorry.
No. 58188
I was still in elementary school when those cartoons were on whereas you were in college when Dexter's Lab premiered, so that would place you today in your mid 40s, correct? Midlife crisis? :DDDDDDDDDDD

My childhood consisted of those cartoons previously mentioned plus South Park, Pokémon, Newgrounds.com and 1990s-early 2000s vidya.

To better inform you as to the character of those shows you're unfamiliar with, here's some episodes of each. These specific shows were effectively commercials for various superhero toylines:

For more serious cartoons that were popular but put style over substance, check these out:

>Satanic elite pop songs

What do you mean? Do you mean popular genres that promote satanism or are you referring to Pop genre songs that have coded satanic messages?

Side note: I never saw a single episode of Spongebob, but I did see a parody of it that's pretty ebin. You might like it.
No. 58192 Kontra
>Like HoMM was objectively the nicer looking game. HoMM 2 looked much worse.
What the fuck are you on about?
HoMM2’s visuals were fucking perfect. It improved considerably on the first game’s visuals and still holds up to this day.
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Planet of the Vampires (1965)
Low budget sci-fi horror about a spaceship crashlanding on a mysterious planet directed by Mario Bava. Spoiler alert: there aren't any actual vampires in it. The story is surprisingly captivating even if the pacing is somewhat uneven and there's a cool twist ending. Despite the initial cheap look of the spaceship interior, what makes this a cult classic are the set designs of the planet's surface, FX and lurid lighting that are used to create a beatiful otherworldly look - especially considering the budget constraints.
Weird coincidence that I watched it right after Prometheus, reading about it afterwards I found out this movie is considered to be an influence on Ridley Scott's Alien & Prometheus. Though the extent of the influence is debatable - except for the space suits in Prometheus which are clearly a homage. If you're interested in a more detailed comparison I can recommend this post: https://machinemean.org/2016/10/25/fright-fest-planet-of-the-vampires-1965/

Two-Lane Blacktop (1971)
Road movie about two patholigically cool guys who travel around the USA participating in drag races with their shabby looking but pimped up car. Complications arise as they pick up a hippie girl and start racing a Pontiac GTO driver played by Warren Oates. The story mostly meanders as they fraternize with the GTO driver and go on other detours but there's seemingly no real development. I suppose that's the point - to express some sort of aimlessness & post-counter culture malaise - but it just didn't do much for me. Mainly watched this since it stars Dennis Wilson from the Beach Boys.

The Mattei Affair (1972)
Political/conspiracy thriller about the death (or rather assassination?) of Italian post-war politician Enrico Mattei who tried to prevent the privatization of Italy's oil industry. It's kind of like a somewhat more realist version of those Oliver Stone movies on JFK and Nixon in that it mixes a mostly reenacted plot with some historical footage, in fact some of the investigative footage was also shot by the director as he's looking for a journalist friend who was disappeared while doing research for this very movie.
I initially didn't read much about the film and thought it's fictional so it blew my mind when I realized it's based on actual history. Very good stuff, definitely gonna check out more by the director.

Ginger Snaps 2: Unleashed (2004)
Solid sequel to the Canadian cult teeange werewolf horror. The lack of Katharine Isabelle as the Hot Sister from the first movie is certainly felt, but the waifish character played by Tatiana Maslany is also a solid counterbalance to Emily Perkins' junked out Brigitte. The boldly ironic ending gives an otherwise slightly-above-average horror flick a nice edge.

Yeah these rock. Never consciously realized until now that there's no dialogue in those & also how far-out some of the stories actually are.
Just rewatched the Aliens episode, very pleasing to the Posadist in me. Also can't stop thinking about how the cossacks in that episode casually invent the Roman aqueduct system with the help of alien technology & the aliens leave them some of their advanced tools at the end. Combining Ukrainian supremacist historical revisionism & ancient ayyliens technology theories might result in some very spicy ideology :D
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The Passion of the Christ (2004)
Mel Gibson's cntroversial take on the last day in the life of Jesus. I actually like him a lot as a stylist of violence and foreign-seeming historical periods, but can't help but think that his talents would be better spent on some different story. Though I also kind of admire the chutzpah of making this.

Space Adventure Cobra: The Movie (1982)
Anime film about a James-Bond-like space pirate's exploits directed by the great late Osamu Dezaki. The story's very pulpy and trope-y but there's enough creativity in the character designs, and the animation is amazing - in particular the more psychedelic passages combined with a jamming soundtrack.

The Leopard (1963)
Historical epic about the Italian Risorgimento centered around the decline of an aristocratic family. Based on the eponymous novel by di Lampedusa and directed by Luchino Visconti, both themselbes stemming from aristocratic families. Burt Lancaster is amazing as the proud patriarch of the family forced to make concessions to the times he lives in. Alain Delon & Claudia Cardinale ofc strike a gorgeous couple but their performances don't impress as much.
The immaculate sets, costumes etc. of the period are great to look at, however having already read the book some time ago, I feel like it doesn't add much.

Letter Never Sent (1960)
Soviet drama about a group of scientists on an expedition looking for diamonds in the Siberian wilderness who get trapped there by a wildfire. Very good, even if the story develops in a somewhat predictable fashion, but most notable is the amazing cinematography with some very unique techniques and tight compositions in the 4:3 ratio.
No. 58195
Don't bother to answer him, believe me.
No. 58197
>more than one Russian posts here
>more than one American posts here
>more than one German posts here
I don't know why everybody on EC seems to forget this
No. 58200
>The Passion of the Christ
Have you watched Apocalypto? If not, you should really watch Apocalypto.
No. 58206
I have listened Sorcerer's soundtrack like 70 times but I don't have the guts to watch the film. It's that I already have the film in my head! It has nothing to do with the actual film! There are vague references of sorcery and there are office scenes! And everything is very grey! And I like it!

Taaaaangerineee Dreaaaam!
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glad you liked it :)

  1. Nice!
2, 3. hey Russia what's going on, I watched that films in Spanish TV channels, the Viking was technically super professional (I thought it was an American film) and the Dovlatov one was... Well it made USSR look bad: I'm exceedingly ignorant but I thought it was kind of taboo to make that kind of films. BTW I was into the film and I thought "hey I read a book of that Dovlatov mr. Yes, The Zone". Well, all fantastic!
No. 58278
> the Viking was technically super professional
Maybe you think so because you expected something Bollywood-tier from Russian movies. But it's one of the most expensive Russian movies and it's done mediocre. However, they managed to make it even more idiotic than Hollywood.

> Well it made USSR look bad: I'm exceedingly ignorant but I thought it was kind of taboo to make that kind of films
Russian propaganda often praises Sovok when it's convenient, but in general it's not a big deal. Especially when you make festival movie no one ever heard of now I heard about it thanks to you, maybe will watch it one day.
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Long Day’s Journey Into Night (2018)
Chinese arthouse drama - it starts out as a neo-noir of sorts with a middle-aged guy investigating the whereabouts of his former lover, riddled by flashbacks that show how they got together. However it's most notable for the second part which consists of a surreal dream sequence shot in one take that lasts around ~1hr. Quite enjoyed it - it nicely mixes the colorful aesthetics & whimsical characters of HK directors like Wong Kar-Wai & Tsai Ming-Liang with the grittiness & long take approach of Bela Tarr or his late Chinese disciple Hu Bo.

The Room (2003)
Probably the most notorious and widely seen bad movie. It's truly terrible and an absolute pain to sit through - the writing and acting in particular are simply demented whereas cinematographs & sets are just boring. I can recommend this as a way to recalibrate your rating scale of movies - this is what really, really bad looks like.
I can understand the cult following because of some involuntarily funny dialogue and Wiseau's bizarre line delivery, but I'm definitely staying away from it unless I want to tortute some friend by making them watch it.

Sex, Lies, and Videotape (1989)
Debut film by Steven Soderbergh about four young people's intertwining (sex) lives. That doesn't really do the story justice but it features some of my favorite story tropes - a reunion of former friends who don't have much in common (e.g. Reichardt's Old Joy) & a mysterious stranger whose appearance sets off changes in some enclosed community (e.g. Miike's Visitor Q). I like how "tight" all the cinematography is - there's no wasted shot. The dialogue writing & acting are brilliant too - it reminds one a bit of Bergman's Persona, also through the theme of therapy & the way it mostly consists of dialogues between two people.

The Suicide Squad (2021)
Ended up watching this in the cinema to kill some time. Some gore-y and at times pretty funny action, but I just can't warm up towards these huge budget superhero movies. There's something endearing about low budget trashy action films but somehow I just feel bad about how many resources were spent on such stuff that has absolutely nothing except shallow entertainment value.

Yep, it's the only other one I've seen by him and really liked it. I'll probably try Braveheart next, not too interested in his WWII film. Apparently he has a remake of The Wild Bunch (>>57290) in the pipelines which I'm kinda excited about - it should fit his style well (or rather the influence from Peckinpah goes the other way). Then again he's apparently also working on The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection which I'm kinda skeptical about :D

>I don't have the guts to watch the film. It's that I already have the film in my head! It has nothing to do with the actual film! There are vague references of sorcery and there are office scenes! And everything is very grey! And I like it!
Sounds interesting too, haha. Also nice to see you posting again.
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>The Room
Started watching once with GF, but I think by the time the first or second sex scene was over, we switched off because of simultaneous boredom and cringe. We also started watching "The Disaster Artist", but I don't really like Franco and hate Seth Rogen's dumb fucking face and everything else about him. Did you watch that, too?

As for the Gibson stuff, Braveheart is best watched with friends and a couple of beers. It's historically inaccurate as fuck and as american as a non-Bruckheimer flick can be, but it's very entertaining and, dare I say, "epic". As for Hacksaw Ridge, see webm related.

What I really don't understand is how someone would not only willingly watch, but also pay money for a superhero film in the year 2021. Did that cinema not show ANYTHING else? But you nicely expressed my sentiment
>about how many resources were spent on such stuff that has absolutely nothing except shallow entertainment value.
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Actually many Russian films I have watched are good, it's that I did not expect a... "YOBA" film? I don't think it's bad, it is soft power, I understand.

Dovlatov is a film that it would be very nice if it was a tiny bit shorter, but I enjoyed it.

Thanks! I simply stopped with my daily "turn the DVD on and watch a film while you eat" routine. Unrel pic.
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Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon a Time (2021)

Finally it's out - the end of the Evangelion Rebuild movie series, and the end of the franchise as a whole, at least as far as Anno is concerned. It's clear that he's lost interest in the series over time, hence in part the long production of this last movie, but all the more impressive that this turned out as amazing as it did.
The animation is gorgeous, first third delivering some beautiful backgrounds that'd make Miyazaki jealous, then it moves towards more drama & action with a great use of CGI. Surprisingly, all the convoluted plot gets resolved and each character gets their redemption. I doubted it, but it's just what you'd expect from the master, I suppose.
What really never fails to amaze me is just how much Anno steals from other works but still manages to create something that appears highly original.

I'd love to recommend it, but I'm not sure how well the Rebuild series even works on its own, since it is in part remake, in part meta-commentary on the NGE series reception.

>We also started watching "The Disaster Artist", but I don't really like Franco and hate Seth Rogen's dumb fucking face and everything else about him. Did you watch that, too?
Nah, not much a fan of those guys either. Also yeah, the sex scenes were really bad, esp. the out-of-nowhere trashy R'n'B music

>Did that cinema not show ANYTHING else?
Actually nod really at the time - I watched it in the early afternoon :D
To my defense, so far I've watched almost none of those superhero movies so I wanted to give it a chance since this one received pretty good reviews, even from some critics who'd usually shit on such movies. And to be fair, it was an alright watch.
No. 58505
I’m scared to rewatch Evangelion. It impacted me a lot when I saw it 4-5 years ago and I’m afraid that it won’t hold up, since I’ve changed a lot in that time.

It’s strange how I expected a shitshow when the last movie comes out but instead people have been saying that even if it’s not the best, they stood up satisfied after they’ve sat trough it.
Which is intriguing.
No. 58515
>Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon a Time

Didnt know a new movie was out so I just watched it after seen your post.
Its completely cryptic to me, its basically technobabble + daddy issues with colorfull, surrealistic imagery. But that is what I expected. One point I really dislikes was the music, it feels totally out of place and doesnt match the movie.

I liked the start of the series/first movie when it was about humans desperately trying to fight of the angels, who were completely alien and not your standard type of invaders.
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Peculiarities of the National Hunt (1995)
Russian comedy about a Finn who comes along with a bunch of Russian on their hunting trip. It's rather slow and not as flamboyant or immediately funny compared to both older Soviet and other 90s comedies - but very enjoyable in its own right. Definitely captures something of the elusive "Russian idea" or "soul". Favorite gag is when the Finn and one of the Russians start speaking German after a bottle of vodka and perfectly understand each other, but aren't able to communicate anymore when sober in the morning.

Don’t Look Now (1973)
Psychological thriller about a couple in Venice who try to come to terms with the loss of their daughter. Plays with some giallo aesthetics, but gets a bit lost in formalism - the overuse of matching cuts and color red as leitmotif quickly loses their impact. Also notable for a notoriously long sex scene, and the proto-Lynchian psychic grandma characters are pretty fun as well.
Also I can't take Donald Sutherland seriously, I'm always thinking of that GIF from The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which is also actually a serious movie despite what the GIF might suggest.

Casino Royale (2006)
Mildly enjoyable but also kinda boring action, never mind that the franchise is of course a perfidious psyop.

>I saw it 4-5 years ago and I’m afraid that it won’t hold up, since I’ve changed a lot in that time.
That seems like a good way to go into the Rebuild series since it's also Anno's attempt to "rebuild" it from a more mature viewpoint. Though there's also a lot missing from the series, aside from the first movie which is almost a pure remake.

>I really dislikes was the music, it feels totally out of place and doesnt match the movie.
Haha, you mean the pop music? I didn't like it at first either, but it grew on me. Other than that, I like that they change up the soundtrack, but also bring back iconic motifs from the original series.
Also I was just looking at some interview where Anno said that he stopped listening to new music in the 80s (lol) but then liked this contemporary pop singer (Utada Hikaru) who ended up doing the theme songs for all the Rebuild movies.
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Two magicians — Alfred Borden and Robert Angier — are rivals, each of whom constantly try to come up with a better trick than the other. Their rivalry is quite violent (and comes to bodily harm on a couple of occasions) because Angier blames Borden for the death of his wife. Borden invents a trick which allows him to "teleport": he throws a rubber ball, disappears in a door and then reappears in the other door several meters away from the first to catch the ball in time. Angier becomes obsessed with the secret behind the trick and wants to one-up Borden. He comes up with a variant of the trick of his own, but he's not satisfied with it, and so he asks the inventor Nikola Tesla to build him a genuine teleporter machine.

Very nice and very polished thriller. It reminds me of other mainstream thrillers like Se7en, Black Swan and the like in regard of its production value, famous actors, fancy sets and costumes, but fortunately it doesn't try to be more than it should be and just tells the intriguing story without becoming pretentious. Both of male leads' performances — Hugh Jackman as Angier and Christian Bale as Borden — are peerless, and there are also Michael Caine as Angier's "ingenieur" Cutter and David Bowie as Nikola Tesla who played their roles remarkably well. Actresses did okay too, but I personally would've liked to see either someone prettier than Piper Perabo, Rebecca Hall and Scarlett Johansson in their roles or someone who's better at acting. Other than that the movie is more or less flawless and it kept me interested right from the start till the very end.
No. 58550
>Don't look now
I really liked it for its atmosphere. Also, that sex scene was remarkable at that time because it showed sex as a normal part of marriage. The montage with them sucking each other's toes and dressing showed it not as something extremely extraordinary and maybe weird, but as just two people very much in love.
By the way, have you watched Body Snatchers? It's pretty enjoyable in a 70s trashy kind of way.

As for Casino Royale, I found the scene right in the beginning where he's bursting through the drywall pretty funny, but yeah, the Craig Bonds really started a bad trend. They should really return to the proven Connery formula.
Though I must say that CR had the hottest Bond girl ever and if you dare insult my waifu Eva I will punch you through the internet.
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"13 assassins": Owww uhh ohhh Miike delivers (actually I did not know it was from him).

Wooooh this film is an absolute festival of violenceeeee

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Babe (1995)
Very c&a, the VA for Babe is great (RIP). Animatronics have aged nicely. Some pretty funny scenes, though mb a bit much melodrama for me.
Also better not to think too hard about the moral implications of an anthropomorphized view of animals.

36 Fillette (1988)
Coming-of-age drama about a bratty teenager who awkwardly hooks up with a pedophile playboy in an attempt to act mature. Directed by Catherine Breillat, the French are at it again - deliberate pacing & awkward dialogues with both lots of interrupting and uncomfortable silences, also some pretty racy scenes, esp. considering the girl is supposed to be 14 yrs old. On the one hand it's maybe interesting that it captures these darker aspects of a budding sexuality, on the other I don't think I actually want to see that.

Arrival (2016)
Hard sci-fi about a linguist who is tasked with deciphering the language of ayyliens that land on earth. Pretty boring and tedious, and to top it off there's some handwaving message along the lines of "why can't we all get along", meanwhile the movie portrays China as muh evil jingoists who want to nuke the aliens.
Regardless, I've been working with a book by the screenwriter of this movie, Eric Heisserer, called 150 Screenwriting Challenges. It's a pretty neat resource if you want to practice (screen)writing.

Nowhere (1997)
Surreal comedy/drama about a day in the life of several LA teens, directed by Gregg Araki. The plot's not really important, it's mostly about the vibes of the different whacky characters involved in sex & drugs and set to shoegaze music & techno. I particularly liked the expressionist set design that transformed the rooms of the teenagers into some sort of crazy 90s/00s MTV show sets. And the reptiloid ayylien subplot that starts as an apparent hallucination but ends up taking over the main story is very ebin.

>By the way, have you watched Body Snatchers? It's pretty enjoyable in a 70s trashy kind of way.
Yeah, it's great, also wanna watch the 50s original and the 90s remake - both supposed to be good
>I found the scene right in the beginning where he's bursting through the drywall pretty funny
Tbh that chase sequence at the beginning is also the most memorable part for me.
>Eva Green
Kinda strange, she seemed very familiar somehow, but I don't think I've actually seen anything else she was in

Hell yeah, now I want to watch some Miike as well, one of my davorite directors for sure
No. 58599
Due to those movies choices, I want to ask, have you seen the movie Bully (2001)?
No. 58602
Well I can definitely agree the ending was rather retarded in a pretty similar bullshit Hollywood sentimental illogical manner as Interstellar did, however I'm not sure if this is autism but I greatly enjoyed that movie Arrival. I thought that it was fantastic and am glad we're finally seeing much more realistic depictions of ayyys than the retarded 1950s era humanoid rubber suits or the lazily low budget humans with elf ears or massively retarded space furries which most scifi tended towards for generations. I think that any alien would be so truly alien to us and everything about our ways of thinking and perceiving that just understanding them would be a kind of Manhattan Project on its own. I also likewise think that a lot of the dumb scifi tropes about space planes and alien conquerors strip mining planets are similarly retarded because they're projecting very human terrestrial motivations on an alien spacefaring race, which if anything would interest them about looting us it would be harvesting genetic samples from our biosphere for whatever reason just because you cannot readily anticipate in a lab what a truly alien environments evolutionary tree would look liek and come out with over billions of years of evolution and chance events. So, I do maintain that cultural or ideological and genetic plunders would be the primary motivations for interacting with us at all, if not taking a policy of outright exterminating us and any other technological space age race out of either a "better safe than sorry" approach to eliminating future enemies or to sterilize possible biological contaminats before they have the chance to spread offworld and begin competing with and annihilating their biospheres they'd likely be seeding across terraformed planets.

Of course by far the stupidest is UFO cults which are insisting ayyys spent centuries traveling hundreds of light years for no other reason than to deny Christianity and spread New Ager philosophies but I digress.
Well unless of course they had developed some kind of a religiously or ideologically motivated society whose bizarre goal was to spread ayyy ideology across the stars and indoctrinate the younger races. I could see that I guess, particularly humanity doing something like that.
No. 58625
I'd like to add you really have a wonderful sense of adding still frames with subtitles
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>but I don't think I've actually seen anything else she was in
She was in the second 300 film, the Tim Burton Dark Shadows remake, The Dreamers, which is some french artsy-fartsy triangle relationship drama, but she's going full nude there, Womb, a drama about a woman cloning her lover as her baby, and a bunch of other stuff, with lots of colorful children's films.
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  1. Meh. Boh. Burp.
  2. Impressive. Tense tense tense.
No. 58847
>Body Snatchers
I fail to see how this could be considered trashy in any way. It's one of the great American cinema classics.
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Besides the argument the documentary makes, the aesthetics are great.

It's a documentary about the creation of money and the current monetary system in capitalism that is built on infinite debt-making, basically, the debt grows to stimulate growth and hence consumption of materials to 'power' that growth. It's displayed as circular feedback, therefore we have exponential debt at least to me the curves look like an exponential function. There is this book about "bought time" in the current system, which I think refers to this development. Money is created on and on because otherwise, we'd face collapse. The documentary makes an argument why it's a shitty system that will ecologically kill the planet and we need to kill it off before.
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Inland Empire (2006)
David Lynch's thriller "about a woman in trouble" in his own words - take that with a grain of salt since it's probably Lynch's most unfiltered and narratively confusing movie. I was rather frustrated by the digital video used to film this though I get that he tried to achieve some sort of jarring effect, and admittedly it works particularly well in some of the scarier parts since the "home video" look adds a touch of realism and allows FX to blend in seamlessly. This has also been exploited in some of those found footage horror movies.
The soundtrack was pretty great and does a lot of lifting to make this appear like an actual feature film. Gotta say I didn't enjoy watching it too much, but the outro scene is great, it basically captures what one must imagine goes on in Lynch's heda or well, his "Inland Empire".
Btw I assumed the term "Inland Empire" was Lynch's creation, but it's actually the name of a region in California

The Straight Story (1999)
Lynch's road movie about an elderly man travelling on a lawnmower to see his estranged brother, based on a real story. There's none of his usual surreal elements, it's a pretty heartfelt drama but I found it a bit boring. Though the performance by Richard Farnsworth is very impressive, and the sweeping landscape shots set to Badalamenti's sublime soundtrack are quite beautiful.

Lynch's short film in which he plays a detective that interrogates a monkey who's suspected of murder. Sounds idiotic but if you like his humor, you'll enjoy it.

All Ladies Do It (1992)
Erotic comedy about a wife who becomes an adultress when she's convined that "all ladies do it". Directed by Tinto Brass, named after and loosely based on the Mozart opera Così fan tutte. Mostly softcore, but some rubber dicks are involved. Still not sure what to make of these somewhat artsy "adult films".

Sherlock, Jr. (1924)
One of Buster Keaton's most famous silent comedies where he plays a movie projectionist who wants to be a detective. Apparently it wasn't very popular when it came out, but nowadays it's quite critically acclaimed, probably due to the scene in which the protagonist's dream is conflated with a movie (within the movie).
You can watch it here, it's only 45 min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZuqWxITq38
I can also recommend this video which explains some of the history behind it, as well as how the stunts & effects were achieved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxJ1yY9gm1U

Nope, but I've seen Kids & Ken Park by the same director, Larry Clark. His stuff's pretty bleak.

> the retarded 1950s era humanoid rubber suits or the lazily low budget humans with elf ears or massively retarded space furries
Eh, I kinda enjoy those more tbh. I'd recommend you the Peter Watts novel Blindsight tho, if you like that sort of hard scifi stuff.
Thank you, I've been practicing :D

Haven't seen any of those, I fear she seems familiar cause I've seen her nudes from The Dreamers in some porn pic gallery on 4GIFs in the 00s
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>The Straight Story

I probably saw that movie three times by now. Really underrated, i think i should rewatch it again sometime.
No. 58913
What are some really great science fiction movies in your opinion? I've seen quite a few but get the impression there's a lot I hadn't heard of due in part to the fact I ignore pop culture and sports wholesale for the last 15 years and as a result only recently discovered Passengers, which wasn't a bad film despite being some kind of romantic whatever.

I've also seen a bunch that left me utterly bewildered why these supposed film critics liked them, which reminds me of the SJG Illuminati rule 16
>In particular, they control television. They don't permit intelligent shows to survive; they encourage mind candy that will keep people from thinking. The only reason good shows are permitted to appear at all is to convince intelligent people that nobody else likes such material, and that there must be something wrong with them.

I mentioned some of these before but 12 Monkeys, Alien 3, and Screamers all stand out in my mind as decent to great films which the common wisdom tried to paint as somehow being bad.
Meanwhile one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life was the alleged "World War Z" which is somehow getting turned into a videogame. Somehow, these IGN reviewer tiers tried making the shitpile of wasted celluloid and hundreds of millions of dollars as being 7.5/10 or something like that. I have a sick curiosity to see which is worse, the Hollywood game or spiritual rape that was the Hollywood movie.

Is there any recent scifi films that are worth checking out? By recent I mean like last 7 years. What about other older ones? There's a few I'm hesitant to watch including some weird Disney sponsored one Black Hole and one where Sean Connery is a space trucker plus the Russian version of Solara or whatever it is called, but I'm unsure of wasting life on it.
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A platoon of American soldiers in France during WWII always gets the short end of the stick doing all the fighting and not getting enough R&R. One of them, Private Kelly (formerly Lieutenant; he got demoted because his superiors put all the blame for a failed operation on him) learns from a German Colonel about a stash of fourteen thousand bars of gold in a bank in small town. Kelly decides to steal the gold, but the problem is that the stash is in the German-occupied territory, thirty miles from the frontline, so he needs all the help he can get. He manages to win over all of his disillusioned platoon, but ends up both voluntarily and involuntarily employing the help of many other people, like a bunch of weirdo Sherman tankers lead by the biggest weirdo of them all named Oddball, an Engineering division, a marching band, a Grave Digger Registration Unit and even a crew of a German tank. These "heroes" set out for the big prize, all the while committing acts of total badassery.

A really funny if a bit ridiculous heist/action/war film. There are a few attempts at military satire, like the characters of Captain Maitland who strictly forbids looting for soldiers while stealing a friggin' yacht from the occupied territory or General Colt who blames the lack of military success on low fighting spirit of the troops despite that it's obvious that the reason is his own incompetence, and there is also a couple of dark moments, but the film mostly stays an adventure-comedy. The best thing about it is characters, and interestingly Clint Eastwood's character Kelly, despite nominally being the main character, gets quickly overshadowed by others, like a greedy quartermaster Crapgame played by Don Rickles and anachronistic yet utterly hilarious hippie-tanker Oddball played by Donald Sutherland, which is no wonder, since the fit the mood of the film better. The film also unexpectedly for me ends in complete success for the heist crew as a confirmation for its lightheartedness.
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Lethal Weapon (1987)
Buddy cop action starring Mel Gibson in a top tier performance as an unstable Vietnam vet with a mullet & Danny Glover as his middle-aged family man partner. I quite enjoyed the writing - there's lots of gags and comedy but it never gets farcical and the backstory about the badguys being ex-CIA drug traffickers is a nice touch, even if it's not explored too deeply. I ended up reading the screenplay too - it's by Shane Black, the same guy who did The Nice Guys (2016).

A Face in the Crowd (1957)
Drama about the rise and fall to fame of a guitar-playing drifter. Great performance by Andy Griffith, his ugly mug (no offense) is a perfect fit for that role. It seems quite ahead of its time in the way it deals with the power a celebrity wields and how it intertwines with enterprise & politics. I woudln't have minded a more even pacing and darker ending though.

Predator (1987)
Thought I found my new favorite action movie with the above Lethal Weapon, but this one quickly dethroned it. Amazing stuff, love how they captured the green hell of the jungle and all the different characters & ofc the stogie smoking Arnie. Great work at creating suspense through both the soundtrack & all the different POV shots. Beautiful blocking too, but I was too glued to the screen to take many screenshots lol.

Vampyros Lesbos (1971)
Erotic vampire horror directed by the infamous Jess Franco. The plot is roughly based on the classic Dracula story, but it's pretty thin, the acting is mostly subpar too - but the film shines through some amazing audio-visual vibes achieved by a mixture of psychedelic rock, the oriental setting, abstract interior design & ofc Soledad Miranda as the gorgeous vampiress.

>Is there any recent scifi films that are worth checking out? By recent I mean like last 7 years. What about other older ones?
I'm not huge on sci-fi tbh, maybe try Moon (2009) or The Andromeda Strain (1971) as you seem to be interested in hard sci-fi. My personal favorite of recent times would be Blade Runner 2049 (2017) & of older ones Zardoz (1974).
Mb have a look at these lists, these seem solid to me:

Gonna put that one on the watchlist, that role sounds like an actually good fit for Sutherland for once :D
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Fun Fact: The guy playing Hawkins (the spectacles dude) in Predator is Shane Black.
Black also wrote Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
Also, I love how the end credits were shot like some family sitcom's.

That said, I take you haven't seen Commando yet, then? It's basically an 80s action film "parody".
Where Predator starts off as a tightly stricken action movie set in the jungle and does a 180 and makes the ultra uber l33t soldiers the prey of an even more ultra uber l33t soldier, Commando just takes the ultra uber l33t soldier and cranks it to 11. It's extremely ironic and doesn't take itself seriously while still being an excellent action movie (unlike Guns Akimbo, which choked under its numerous layers of irony and didn't have any balls to begin with anyway). And they even have a female character commenting "I can't believe this macho bullshit...".
Recommend it warmly, it's my favorite Arnie film and one of my absolute favorite action films of all time.

You can also make it into a drinking game if you like:
Whenever Arnold does a physically impossible action feat (such as jumping from a plane several kilometers up into like a meter of swamp, throwing around a phone booth, driving into a telephone pole without seatbelts and not only not getting catapulted through the front window, but also not even being hurt, shooting over 9000 shots from one magazine or simply throwing a pipe through a dude), you drink a shot.
No. 59090
Wanted to rewatch it for some time, it was really great. What's nice is that it's not a one-man show built around Schwarz, but other team members also get their awesome moments. "I ain't got time to bleed" – 11/10 on badassery scale. It also features the manliest handshake ever.

Yeah, that one was very nice, although the premise is a bit questionable. Sam Rockwell's performance was very impressive.

Okay, while La Jetee and Alphaville sorta qualify as "soft", "social" sci-fi, Last Year at Marienbad has absolutely nothing to do with sci-fi whatsoever: it's just an oh-so-experimental artsy-fartsy garbage, and it's not even entertaining. For entertaining artsy-fartsy garbage it's better to check out Buñuel. :-DDDDDDDD Also, since the Murrican has already seen 12 Monkeys, there's not much point in watching La Jetee. Oh, and Nine Days of One Year is not science fiction – it's fiction about scientists; still a really good movie though. Dude who made that list has a pretty loose definition of sci-fi.

To the suggestions in the threda I would also add Europa Report (https://imdb.com/title/tt2051879/) which was a very solid film for its low budget and Primer (https://imdb.com/title/tt0390384/) which is a hard as tungsten balls SF with a very difficult to follow plot, but it's also probably the most thorough and realistic film about time travel ever made. If you want some soft SF, you may check Soviet classics like Heart of a Dog (https://imdb.com/title/tt0096126/) and Dead Man's Letters (https://imdb.com/title/tt0091759/).

The best thing about Commando is jokes and one-liners, IMO. "Remember, Sully, when I promised to kill you last?" – "That's right, Matrix! You did!" – "I lied". That moment really cracked me up when I watched it as a kid, despite being pretty dark.
No. 59092
>but it's also probably the most thorough and realistic film about time travel
>realistic film about time travel
Oh you :3

Also, Predator also has its share of jokes and one-liners.
>Knock knock
>Stick around
>If it bleeds, we can kill it
>You're one ugly maddafagga
No. 59094
Well, it's as realistic as a time travel movie can possibly get. Sometimes completely fictional things (like politicians who are not psychopathic, journalists who are not dumb, priests who are not liars etc.) can be written so well, that they can actually qualify as "realistic" – that is, if those completely fictional things existed, they would be kinda like the ones depicted. You're well aware that these things cannot possibly exist, but they still seem plausible.
No. 59103
Your analogy doesn't make any sense.
Decent humans exist. Thus it is not hard to write a decent human and call them a "priest" or "journalist". Also, I'd argue that Hemingway was not dumb.
Time travel doesn't exist though, so you can't write about time travel without pulling alles.tiff out of your ass. Back to the Future and Butterfly Effect are both equally as realistic and plausible as Primer, as is Army of Darkness and Dirk Gently (US) and Escape from the Planet of the Apes.
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>it is not hard to write a decent human and call them a "priest" or "journalist"
But that would still be a lie, and not a very good one. Also, it's your logic that doesn't make sense: if decent people exist, it is in no way implies that there are any politicians, journalists or priests among them. :-DDDDDDDD

>Back to the Future and Butterfly Effect are both equally as realistic and plausible as Primer
It all comes down to the overall number of ass-pulls, concessions and conventions the work contains. Even the most fantastic concept (like time travel) still keeps attracting other things, fantastic and not, required to construct some sort of fantastic logic, internal, insulated consistency. The more real (or at least hypothetical) concepts you use to crutch the wobbly framework of your sci-fi masterpiece, the more realistic (without being real, of course) it becomes, and vice versa, the more questionable or outright ridiculous concepts you employ (or just ignore any explanations at all and leave it as it is), the farther from reality it drifts. So no, Back to the Future is not "equally as realistic" as Primer, with all its jiggawatts and flux capacitors. Still a fuckawesome movie, though.
No. 59106 Kontra
Tucholsky was a decent human being and a journalist.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a decent human being and a priest.
My logic is absolutely sound.
Also, I already gave you a counter-example:
Hemingway was a journalist and arguably not dumb, which directly refutes your whole argument.

And please, feel free to tell me how the Primer time machine is more realistic and less asspully than a nuclear powered Delorean.

Kontra from now on.
No. 59113
>Tucholsky was a decent human being and a journalist.
>Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a decent human being and a priest.
We only have your testimony for that. They must have been thieves, murderers, pedophiles, cannibals, embezzlers, joyriders and probably even Germans as well, they were just really good at hiding that.

>how the Primer time machine is more realistic and less asspully than a nuclear powered Delorean
The time machine in Primer is just a box sitting in a warehouse and powered, if I'm not mistaken, by a local power plant: nothing too unusual. The time machine in Back to the Future has an entire nuclear reactor on board with nominal power of 1.21 GW. Now that's already ridiculous, because smallest reactors are way too big to be put on a car — they are usually placed on submarines and other naval vessels — and they don't nearly have enough power: they only give 200 MW tops. But of course, Doc Brown is a genius and he was able to make a reactor of the required size and power — and that's an ass-pull. In the sequel it also gets upgraded with some sort of anti-grav drive and a matter converter ("Mr. Fusion") instead of a reactor — people in the future invented them and Doc Brown just was genius enough to make them work with the DeLorean — another ass-pull.
No. 59115 Kontra
Hey, shouldn't you be hating russians?

Also, remember that nuclear reactors are highly moderated and especially on subs or ships they're planned for a long life. Of course they could generate a higher output if they didn't care for "safety" or "industry standards". And I don't see how someone shouldn't be able to adapt future tech if they're already smart enough to build a 1.21 GW mobile nuclear reactor. Inside its own universe, it's perfectly plausible.

That said, you still haven't explained how a box inside a warehouse that is basically "yeah IT JUST WERKS" is less of an asspull than Doc Brown tech.
No. 59119
>Hey, shouldn't you be hating russians?
Hm, why? I sorta hate Russian government, but not Russians themselves, but then again, I hate our own "government" much more. I should also clarify that I don't really hate Germans, if you're still taking my funposting seriously. I don't even hate priests and journalists, although I do believe that they are depicted in fiction in a way more positive light than they deserve — in real life, they are usually much less admirable people. Politicians are utter shit, though.

>you still haven't explained how a box inside a warehouse that is basically "yeah IT JUST WERKS" is less of an asspull than Doc Brown tech
See, they are both time machines, which is already completely unrealistic (although Doc Brown's time machine is capable of traveling into the future and for longer distance — decades instead of hours, but we will ignore that since any time travel is equally ridiculous), so in this regard they reach parity in being unrealistic. Primer stops there though, and just continues to play with the concept and time paradoxes, while Back to the Future keeps piling up unrealistic stuff on top of it, like compact nuclear reactors, hover drives, matter convertors, recharging by a lightning (I don't know if capacitors capable of storing that much energy even exist nowadays, let alone in 1985), so it just throws any semblance of realism out of the window. Basically, Doc Brown is just a wizard who can do anything with his magic.
No. 59120
Wait, are you taking MY funposting seriously?
And you still haven't explained how a magical box that can send people through time is less wizardry than Doc Brown.
Wholeheartedly agree on the politicians
No. 59121
I'm sorry to interject but amusingly enough it may well end up being the case that it would be easier for us to travel time than space with an unrealistically exceptionally advanced humsn civilization many millenia in the future using some kind of white hole or wormhole with exotic matter type of a tech. It seems theoretically possible, it's just that it's big enough you'd effectively have to park the thing outside our solar system to use it and use some kind of extraordinary amounts of energy to make it work. Of course but then again, I would also theorize that a real accidental time machine would necessarily be huge because you could still end up with tidal forces ripping people apart in a Delorean, so
No. 59146 Kontra
I think that what you need to resolve your disagreement is a second word. The Primer time machine is as unrealistic as a nuclear Dolorean but much more believable. There we dedicate the word realism for what enters the realm of material possibilities and believability is how much the suspention of disbelief is kept in a given fiction. Like this, a mundane and realistic conversation between two character in a given fiction is by definition more realistic than any fictional time machine but can be way less believable.
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>Is there any recent scifi films that are worth checking out? By recent I mean like last 7 years.
> What about other older ones?
Star wars, the older trilogy.
Space odyssey 2001.
American "moon landing", also by Stanley Kubrick. just kidding
Starship troopers.

I watched original Evangelion few years ago. As I remember, 75% of screen time are boring and repeatable Power Rangers tier mecha fights. Because of it I didn't watch carefully, and missed the other 25% as well (there was some slice of life and meaningless symbolism). However the fight of Asuka vs serie evas looked epic.
Is this rebuild different?
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The Godfather: Part III (1990)
Watched the new Recut version (without having seen the original cut before). Aside from the helicopter attack & the phenomenal opera sequence it left me rather unimpressed - but I'm not that big on the other Godfather movies either tbh. I love the chutzpah of Coppola in casting his own daughter who had basically no acting experience.

Hardcore (1979)
Paul Schrader's crime drama about a conservative Calvinist father who gets dragged into the porno underworld of LA as he's searching for his runaway teenage daughter. It maybe takes a bit too long to get going, but once it does it's great. Big recommend if you liked Taxi Driver, Schrader reprises quite a few themes & visual motifs in this movie even if the story is quite different.

The Searchers (1956)
Western starring John Wayne as a loner war veteran on the search for his niece who was abducted by Comanches. It's often cited as an influence on Schrader's script for Taxi Driver, as well as the above Hardcore, now that I think about it, but there are few similarities other than the rough plot point of the protagonist trying to rescue a girl who doesn't really want to be rescued that much.
The movie shines in visual compositions of the vast landscapes, but the pacing constantly jumping in time & subpar acting, esp. by Jeffrey Hunter as the 2nd lead, made for a somewhat tedious watch.

Body Double (1984)
Psychosexual thriller by Brian De Palma about a down on his luck actor who witnesses the murder of a beatiful woman as he's house-sitting in Hollywood. De Palma is often compared with Hitchcock, and this movie too is clearly influenced by Rear Window & Vertigo. It's a fun watch that keeps you glued to the screen by being tense, erotical &funny - but somehow I don't quite enjoy De Palma's humor or the meta-commentary elements on Hollywood as much as others seem to.

> The guy playing Hawkins (the spectacles dude) in Predator is Shane Black.
Damn, I missed that :D
> I take you haven't seen Commando yet, then?
Nope, but sounds awesome, thanks for the rec.

>other team members also get their awesome moments
Exactly, I loved how economically it was done too, they don't have too many lines each but they always show personality. And along with the costumes/casting choices they feel like full-fledged unique characters despite all dying off ~halfway through the movie

>Is this rebuild different?
Reading your comments on the series, I doubt you'd like it much.
No. 59228 Kontra
That's the pink ranger, not the white one. What's wrong with saying "pink power"?
No. 59243
> What's wrong with saying "pink power"?
It's fucking gay as fuck
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Trancers (1984)
Sci-fi B-movie about a hard-boiled detective travelling back in time to save the world from a villain who uses interdimensional mind control. Everything has a slightly cheap/knock-off feel about it, but it maintains a nice pace (also only ~75 mins long) & the two leads do a pretty great job, Tim Thomerson playing probably one of the sleaziest detectives I've ever seen & Helen Hunt balancing it with a good portion of light-hearted bubbliness.

The State I Am In (2000)
Coming-of-age/Drama about a teenage girl and her ex-RAF parents who are constantly on the run from the law, directed by Christian Petzold. It's an interesting premise, but as a film of the "Berlin school" it's quite a snoozefest due to its stark realism. Though there are a few moments that are nicely moody, usually due to the melancholic soundtrack.
Btw the original title in German is "Die Innere Sicherheit" which is a nice double entendre meaning both "domestic security" in the political sense but also sth like "inner wellbeing/confidence" in the psychological sense.

Back to the Future (1985)
I like how one guy describes it on lb: "So structurally perfect that it may have eventually ruined movies."
Call me a drag, but I can't help but see the sniffles ideology especially clearly in such movies that present themselves as free from political messages etc. (i.e. "family" movies I suppose).

A mildly related question that's not really related to movies but I've been thinking about for some time - is the "physically superior but dopey" bully archetype an accurate portrayal in regard to your personal experiences with bullies?

Peculiarities of the National Fishing (1998)
Sequel to >>58547, this time about fishing rather than hunting. It's a bit inferior due to the lack of a driving narrative & missing some of the characters from the first part, but there's still a good amount of gags and the latter part leading to the u-boat raid to Finland to recover the missing vodka cases is ebin as hell.
No. 59268
Not necessarily. Bullies by their nature pick on people that can't fight back, often out of their own insecurity and emotional problems. That can and does include people bullying the younger grades, parents bullying children, some fat or little guy cop getting off on fucking with people who can't do anything about it and so on but then again bif was an appropriately chubby retard. Often it is due to themselves being bullied, and more often than not bullied/abused at home. I also don't know what you mean by ideology. You mean vaguely pro-American like most films of the era and place? Kinda funny how Rick and Marty ended up happening because of that supposedly wholesome movie.
No. 59276
Watching Seinfeld.

I'm surprised how much of a genuine piece of Americana it is in a sense.
The then-contemporary sets slid nicely into being retro or at least from a different era.
Slick New York apartments, gaudy flowery shirts or clean yet cozy looking shirts with long sleeves. Not a phone in sight. It has an aesthetic.

The stand-up bits feel a bit dated. Don't know much about Seinfeld's style on the stage (really the only reason I knew him before I got into the world-wide-web was the Bee Movie xdddd) but here it feels like it was kinda neutered for TV. It's strangely harmless. Yet it also feels like every other genetic in-universe stand-up comedian in other shows and films were based off Jerry's stand-up bits in Seinfeld.

Dialogue between the characters is also strangely realistic. Often I'd recognise some structures in the comedy that we in the family would utilise in real life, like jokingly quoting someone word-for-word in a different context within a few minutes of the original quote being said and so on.
It feels like it's the dialogue that's funny, not the jokes forcing their way into a dialogue.
No. 59277
It was actually pretty edgy in a sense back then. Even in the 90s explicitly talking about sex and having flings was pretty risque, or at least keep in mind this is Americans we are talking about. They also had actually some pretty dark stuff in some of the episodes too. I'm not quite sure what you mean by neutered. I mean, it was a comedy. It wasn't supposed to be dark or N rated. Actually one of the darkest most black humoured comedies I've ever seen is Rick and Morty and they only get away with it because it is a cartoon.
No. 59278
I probably just have an incredibly distorted sense of what's tame and what's edgy after spending a decade on the internet, especially for something that's 20-30 years old.
The actual sitcom part still hits, it's funny, but the stand-up bits are just kinda meh for some reason.
No. 59279
It's because Jerry Seinfeld as an actual standup comedian never was very funny. But because of his tribal showbiz connections probably, he got the contract for a sitcom and that actually was funny. I don't know what other acts were like but I'd imagine Kramer to actually be funnier as a standup comic until he had his epic meltdown.

I do think he was a bit unfairly punished for it btw. He definitely should've gotten shit on but he shouldn't have been so universally blacklisted. It's not like he's the first standup comic to have a royal tantrum on stage. The worst I've ever seen was Bill Hicks. I don't think any other comedian comes close except well maybe Kramer honestly.
No. 59358
Time for a strange observation with implications that I might not have fully thought through, but isn't it weird how the perception of losers in media changed?

Looking at characters like John Arbuckle or George from Seinfeld it's clear that our perception changed alongside our dating culture.
30 years ago a loser went on dates but flunked out and never got past the first one.
Now? Losers can't get dates. You're looking at a character depicting a loser and they're more successful with women than losers today.

I just thought that was interesting.
No. 59373
I was looking through old C&T threads and I am wondering - and I really don't mean any offense - if you are just really young or have liver under a rock or something?
Of course I acknowledge that my perspective is highly skewed because I have been a bit of a basement dweller in my teens and spent nights in some shitty band practice shack watching all kinds of trash (and non-trash) movies, but for example you have never seen Star Wars, and other films I would consider something everyone has seen already a hundred times and which I would consider some kind of "common film knowledge". I know a guy who was only allowed to watch the ÖR for like two hours per day or something (I think he's a woman now), whereas I wasted my teens watching TV instead of doing sports and meeting girls.
What I am saying is that I am trying to understand where you're coming from, but it's also ok if you don't want to tell.
And please keep doing your reviews, I immensely enjoy them.
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>Watching Seinfeld.
>The stand-up bits feel a bit dated.
IIRC those get better and shorter after the first(?) season. Or maybe you just get used to them :D

>Often it is due to themselves being bullied, and more often than not bullied/abused at home
Yeah, that sounds about right, whereas afaik Hollywood movies (from that era?) tend to show the bullies simply as jocks or rich guys rather than the usually sadder reality.
>You mean vaguely pro-American like most films of the era and place?
More or less, there's a bunch of subtle stuff that rubs me a bit the wrong way - not sure it adds up to some coherent ideology tbh. But e.g. the Libyan terrorists shown as durka durkas, the crude Pepsi & Nike product placements and the way the "improved" family at the end are rich assholes with the father in turn bullying his former bully.

>if you are just really young or have liver under a rock or something?
Lmao, neither really. Not sure which movies you're referring to other than Star Wars (e.g. Terminator & Back to the Future I suppose), but we didn't have a big (or good for that matter) VHS or DVD library at home - so I must've just missed those when/if they were shown on TV. And then never bothered watching them until now - as I'm consciously filling some of these gaps in regard to "popular" classics.
As soon as I've started streaming/downloading movies by myself I was more interested in weird/artsy stuff like Lynch, Kubrick, Tarkovsky or movies like The Holy Mountain & Apocalypse Now rather than SciFi/action/adventure movies.
Maybe I also just enjoyed playing the hipster & teasing people who'd be shocked that I haven't seen the original Star Wars trilogy. Btw thanks for reminding me, I still have to watch Return of the Jedi :D
>And please keep doing your reviews, I immensely enjoy them.
Thanks, I'll try to.
No. 59416
Oh alright then, you're just a statistical anomaly.
Though I wouldn't call Lynch, Kubrick or Coppola "artsy" per se. I mean especially Apocalpyse Now is such a widely known and -parodied film, as are e.g. Shining, Dr. Strangelove and Twin Peaks. But as I said, I am probably a little bit deeper into the matter as other people.
That said, I can't remember, but have you seen Kairo (Pulse in Germany)? It sometimes gets posted because of one "spooky" scene, but I like it because of its anticlimactic portrayal of the apocalpyse.
No. 59417 Kontra
No wait scrap that, Kubrick is definitely "artsy", but he's also extremly popular. So basically babby's first arthouse director, if you want.
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thx. Renamed and reupped pic for me, as a reminder.

BTW I wanna say Monk is one of the best American TV shows I have ever seen.
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The Birth of a Nation (1915)
Silent film epic about two families' struggles throughout the American Civil War and Reconstruction. It's notorious for being one of the first Hollywood "blockbusters" - it was the longest feature film at time of release and held the title of highest-grossing film for ~25 years - and many technical innovations, most notably the crosscutting between two parallel action scenes & use of dramatic close-ups on the actors' faces. Then again it's also ofc notorious for its racist portrayal of African Americans & serving as an inspiration for the 20th century revival of the KKK (which are portrayed as heroic liberators in the movie).
As a 3h long silent film it's a somewhat challenging watch that I mostly enjoyed for some of the technical aspects, e.g. the color tinting & the way the battle scenes were shot, rather than the story. However the scenes with Lincoln, one in which he pardons one of the protagonists and the scene of his assassination, were strangely moving.

Беспредел/Anarchy (1989)
Soviet prison drama about power relations between regular prisoners and the "thieves-in-law" who exploit & rule them while the administration looks away or tacitly approves. Despite being mostly known due to memes like webm related, it's a good film in its own right - there's some neat cinematography at times, the acting is quite good and especially the mass mayhem scenes once the eponymous "anarchy" breaks out towards the end are quite impressive.
Even if it's a bit hamfisted at times - the film also tries to paint a broader allegory of how exploitation works & power structures maintain themselves through violence & circumventing the rules.

Elevator to the Gallows (1958)
French "crime thriller". A guy commits the perfect crime but then gets stuck in an elevator for the rest of the film. Meanwhile his lover walks around town looking for him (set to a cool Miles Davis soundtrack) & a teenage couple steal his car and get in trouble.
It left me a bit blue-balled once the guy gets stuck in the elevator, I would've rather seen the political/corporate thriller it promised to be at the beginning, instead I was mildly annoyed at its nonchalant moodiness.
Also what's with all these disaffected & cocky youths who steal cars & randomly shoot people in French New Wave movies? Is this a motherfucking L'Etranger reference???

>you're just a statistical anomaly.
Well, thank you very much!
>have you seen Kairo (Pulse in Germany)?
Yeah, loved it. Too bad Kiyoshi Kurosawa hasn't done much in terms of horror lately

Noice. I also realized the filenames are a problem recently, gonna try to figure out some fix.
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Pink Flamingos (1972)

Good movie, very intense and unpredictable, in each scene lots of stuff going on action-wise, dialogues are packed and well-written despite avant-garde retardness. Acting is mostly high grade. Soundtrack is especially cool.

Watch it, it is mind-cleansing, literal half century old "modern degeneracy" - trannies, drag queens, gays, rape, necrophilia, bestiality, nazis, cannibalism, retardness, child trade, advanced pervercy.

You see all those 21th century special flakes - they are just mere shadows of the past, they bring nothing new into the plane of degeneracy, merely redoing long-explored facets of art.

If you are saddened by all that modern SJW/LGBT+ hysteria - be not gloomy - it has nothing to do with "values being depreciated" - it happened long time ago. Just a pathetic post-modern facsimile pretending to be a serious revelation over the stuff that had been created in the past for fun and profit. If you are thinking we are falling into the abyss - you are wrong - we are in the thick mud and just can't move anywhere, that you think of as a "modern degeneracy" is just a shitty copy of decades of decades old hackneyed ideas.
No. 59465
> Беспредел = Anarchy
It means something a bit different. Interesting how they translated the rest of prison jargon.

Now you should watch Green Elephant. I remember how I was in a completely normie company of friends and proposed them to watch it (I was such a fool when I was 14) =DDDD. They lasted for 10 minutes. =DDD
No. 59466 Kontra
Is it "Psychic TV" frontman? =DD
No. 59468
Perhaps you should count yourself lucky you weren't charismatic enough to force them to watch all of it :DDD
No. 59469 Kontra
>It means something a bit different. Interesting how they translated the rest of prison jargon.
"Anarchy" is one of the definitions I could find in this old Russian-Hungarian Slang Dictionary I own for some reason. The other two are the act of "Treading on the Law", as in deliberately breaking it in a kinda jerkish way, and the last one is "Convict (who was convicted for acts of indecency)"
Guess based on the synopsis the "Treading on the Law" definition is probably the more fitting one if it's about prisoners betraying the thieves' law.
No. 59470
My understanding is "Lawlessness" is the closest translation.
t. fenya enthusiast
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This. Nobody is truly transgressive anymore. They just want to nod their heads along mindlessly to their own retarded little groups no matter how wildly unfactual or psychotic the bizarre shit they adopt to wear as some lapel button. I think that in very real sense even if they did not break new ground that at least all the furries and pro-anorexia groupies were ahead of their time. Now everybody just exists within their own mainstreamed parallel bubbles of unimaginable retardedness.

I for my part keep wanting to spam a certain well known shithole's board about how "motherboards" and "daughterboards" with 2666 RAM is some kind of Satanic pedo code and drone on and on endlessly about how you will notice sites and terms like Curse, hex, avatar, sigils to summon demons disguised as "circuit boards" all is proofs it's a Jewish Illuminati conspirach to defile us, with the explicit objective of trying to get these people to permanently quit the internet. I know I have an added advantage because things like microchips, computers, Bill Gates and so on have been fixtures in Illuminati theories for so long that the first few people will think I am only pretending to be retarded, but as we'll see just like flat earthers and Q retards anything no matter how completely fucking stupid can become enforced dogma with an echo chamber once you hit a small enough critical mass.

I want to convince these people that burning their computers and phones or what the fuck ever they have is the on pathway to true spiritual liberation or some shit. Considering how resoundingly toxic and corrosive to the human soul those sites are, it's not as far from the truth as the trolling would seem. Regardless, if and when I am successful it will be more retards self selecting for elimination from our general pool.
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Accidentally caught it on TV while in the living room and watched it because I'm interested in epics.
Though I have to tell you, that I didn't have a fun time with the actual poem when I read it, and I consider Beowulf a subpar literary work that was only hyped up because of British-sensibilities. (Though it's linguistic value is unquestionable.)

The good parts are the music (It'd drum'n'bass) and the design. The costumes while trashy and dated at times are very charming. Same goes for the set. Just don't think about the functionality of some of the weapons.
Generally, it's a medieval fantasy world infused with sci-fi, and it looks good. (Except for maybe the MC who looks like a weird lovechild of Dante from DMC and Geralt from the Witcher, but with a short hair.)

What a fucking shame that this music and set and costume design isn't put to good use. It's two hours long. But for like three fourths of it nothing fucking happens. The plot doesn't advance, we learn nothing about the main character or any of the side characters. The monster just goes around killing people randomly and then the MC ominously says how "things are getting serious" and then there's another killing.

But it's not even scary. So it's bad plot, bad horror, and all that could be forgiven if the fighting scenes were interesting but from the first combat scene to the last one it's incredibly retarded, littered with trashy cuts and camera angles that shows that this is an overly ambitious B movie. But that ambition doesn't show in anything besides the bad CGI. Don't know what the budget was, but most of it was blown on the monster transformation and combat near the end, but it's just so badly put together it's not worth it.

Really, it all falls flat on the script. It could have been an hour or an hour and thirty minutes long and it would have probably been more action packed with better pacing and dialogue.
The dialogue is trash too. It's uneven. It's sometimes incredibly short, communicating in a very economical style, and then it suddenly gets parodistically verbose and knightly, at leat in the Hungarian dub, which would have been fine if it was a proper chivalric film and not a fantasy-sci-fi whatever.

Basically the entire plot happens in the first 15 minutes and then in the last 30 the rest. In-between there's nothing but the monster killing people randomly and everyone being scared.
I watch a movie once every three years, and this is what I get.