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Showgirls (1995)
Very unhinged & all over the place, still quite enjoyable, interesting ending. Somewhere between Spring Breakers & Mulholland Drive, whatever that means.

My Friend Ivan Lapshin (1985)
Great little movie by Aleksei German centered around the eponymous character of a police investigator, but almost as much about the people around him. It covers various issues (some rather serious, e.g. organized crime & suicide) during the 1930s in Russia in an oddly wholesome & I suppose nostalgic way. There's something of an anti-plot, any time something happens that could lead to change, it is reverted, and not that much has changed in the end.
It also showcases his penchant for messy scenes involving many actors, often talking at the same time and the drifting POV camera that tends to highlight minor characters, later to be perfected in his posthumously released magnum opus Hard to Be a God (2013).

>Chapayev (1934)
Noice, been meaning to watch it since I read Pelevin's Chapayev & Void (though his Chapayev is very different from the folk hero)

Also there's tons of terrible Chapayev joges, through which he is mostly remembered afaik.
- Grandfather, did you know Chapayev?
- Of course.
- Really, did you fight with him?
- No, I've seen the movie.

>If you like Zhang I super recommend "Keep cool". It's absolutely different but it rules.
Thx, looks "cool" :D
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Not super spectacular it has its ups and downs but only according to my POV. A nice film overall.

Thx because Showgirls had a lot of bad press here. Never paid too much attention because of the subject, but if it have had better reviews I would have watched it, because I dug Verheoven [sic]
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The third Adventure Time Distant Lands episode dropped yesterday. All three episodes have been fun so far imo, so in case some of y'all enjoyed AT but missed the whole Distant Lands thing check it out.
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Watch it, I feel I was a little too harsh. It's fun and on youtube.
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Fassbinder's take on the whole cybernetisation/simulation theory theme. It must've been quite ahead of its time 50 years ago, but the plot feels very played out and predictable nowadays. It was filmed for TV and it shows in the stiff acting (though that rather fits with the story) and very noticeable dubbing.
What redeems it is Fassbinder's imaginative cinematography with the stylized blocking and heavy use of mirrors for framing (to a rather ridiculous degree tbh - it's anything but subtle), also heavy use of background music and interesting set designs.
There's also a nod to Godard's Alphaville by starring its main actor Eddie Constantine in a cameo role.
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Howl's Moving Castle (2004)
Really loved the beginning but was somewhat let down by the story which felt like it lacked some real climax. Also weird to have a grandma as the main character - but gotta respect Miyazaki for changing things up. Still really enjoyed it due to the interesting characters, light-hearted comedy elements and ofc the stunning visuals.

Cutter's Way (1981)
Great neo-noir about a fading gigolo (Jeff Bridges) and his crippled Vietnam veteran friend Cutter trying to blackmail an oil mogul whom they think killed a young hooker. There is a whole layer of romance drama as there's a love triangle between the two and Cutter's depressed and alcoholic wife. Loved these three main characters, especially John Heard's performance as the witty & increasingly deranged Cutter is great. The open ending feels somewhat unsatisfying but I think it's fitting considering the emotional climax that precedes it.

>Showgirls had a lot of bad press here
Yeah, I also read that it wasn't marketed correctly so people had some wrong expectations - might also explain the weirdly broad rating curve.
I think it's very Verhoeven - entertaining and indulgent on the surface but some deeper commentary at its core.
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I watched it like 3 weeks ago or so and I liked the visuals a lot. Though at parts it was like a German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
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So I did & quite liked it, thanks for the nudge.

At first it seemed rather ridiculous but through the comedic scenes it drew me to also enjoy the drama of the second half, which was pretty simple but well done. All things considered, it's not even as blatantly propagandastic as I expected it to be, though I suppose that's also why it was so successful.

>German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
Kinda, though the main actor basically has zero charisma & constantly looks uncomfortable... Or is that implied in German :D
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Yeah, I think the movie itself is redeemed by the comedic aspects. You begin liking the characters because they can be consistently funny. Even Chapayev reenacting battles with potatoes as he shouts his military theories is a good scene because it makes you like the characters. Still, even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well. The relationship between the commissar and the capable army commander are how the party wanted to portray itself during this benevolent and mutually respecting alliance. The commissar isn't there to ensure political loyalty of the army, but to help its yokel leader has much needed help. Made for a population that experienced the revolution, the movie manages to masterfully both admit to looting by the red army and pin it on these willful saboteurs that also go on to try and sabotage the revolution by telling troops to disband.

I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold though and Babochkin makes Chapayev somehow feel like a realistic character.
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Paris, Texas (1984)

Beautiful road movie, kinda simple but well composed visuals with lots of Texas desert landscapes, embellished with a moddy guitar soundtrack. Career-defining performance by Harry Dean Stanton & everyone else is great too. Manages to be sweet without being saccharine and dramatic without being overly sentimental.

City of God (2002)

Well watchable, but quite overrated. The gritty based on a real story™ story of violence at its core gets diluted by the gimmicky editing and constant smug voice-overs. Some nice visual stuff technically but it would be more at home in a Guy Ritchie or John Woo tier action movie.

>even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well.
You're right, maybe I gave it too much credit in that regard. But it also made me think about how much propaganda tier tropes are peddled in other movies where nobody really talks about it.

>I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold
Oh yeah lol, reminded me of the similar scene in Barry Lyndon
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Robocop aged super well. Worth mentioning a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film". Mind blowing, that analysis. It's the years that make one appreciate more other aspects of the film.

Film in pic: Masterpiece. All glory to Hong Kong.
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60 Days In
A fun little romp through modern Americana where all of us are a hair's breadth away from making one mistake or another that lands you there. Of course some of us are playing with weighted dice. The interesting thing about it to me is the fact that a lot of Americans really do sincerely have this dehumanized view of not just inmates but anybody who has ever gone to jail despite the fact literally all of us know someone who has been to jail and most of us do or have done shit that easily could've gotten us in the slammer. It really reminds me of things like the Stanford Prison Experiment and Rat Park. Milgrim also to a lesser extent.

Also fun personal experiment, if I told you one of those people in pic related was a pedophile IRL, which would you guess?
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>which would you guess?
Third row down, the guy in the 3rd column from the left. Can't really say why, other than he looks really unhappy to be there.
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I figured he'd be most people's first guessif they're going more on a stereotypehe's actually just kind of a scared dweeb irl who wants to be a jailer for some reason in fairness they generally all look differing levels of unhappy but I'm pretty sure it's a pose during pre-production selection. Who would be your second guess if you had to pic two?

I'll also just straight up post torrent links because I know people are lazy. It's crazy they even got away with doing this shit for six seasons because you'd think the inmates would've eventually heard of the show and talked about it by later seasons and started getting suspicious about the "prison documentary"and you'd be perfectly right the inmates in two separate seasons accused the film crew of doing 60 Days In.

I'm really on the fence about this which is partly why I think it's great. On one hand it is really super exploitative and on top of that it's directly jamming those real inmates up with very real additional charges. On the other it's also getting lots of guards fired and directly exposing America to the horrendous problem of the system and need for criminal justice reform. I've had more intense contradictory feelings about this than I think I have anything in like a decade. It's also somehow perfectly emblematic of modern America: a bunch of regular people signing up with a Hollywood production company to go to a real jail for money and to "do missions" for the jail warden in tightening his ship. I'm not even sure how you could possibly make a show more modern America than that.
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I take the chick, second from the top right, looks like one of those teachers who got caught with a boy.
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King Lear (1970)

Faithful Russian adaptation of the Shakespeare classic with a score by Shostakovich. Good but nothing too imaginative.

Sunset Boulevard (1950)

Classic noir about a down on his luck writer who gets into a sugar mama relationship with an aged silent movie star who can't come to terms with the end of her career. It's interesting and quite influential (esp. as a "Hollywood movie as critique of Hollywood"), but the references to silent movies and the "Old Hollywood" were somewhat lost on me. Some cool scenes, but overall a bit disappointed considering the accolades it gets.

Down House (2001)

Absurd & surreal "adaptation" of Dostoyevsky's Idiot set in 90s Russia with its gangsters & eccentrics. The plot is quite threadbare, it's mostly just a collection of surreal sketches, made funny due to the consistently deadpan delivery from all characters.
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>Who would be your second guess
Top row, the man in the upper-right corner.

I've flipped past this series on TV and never knew the premise. So people will literally go to jail to be part of a reality show. Stephen King's Running Man is not far off. The book, not the movie. They're totally different, and only share the basic 'dangerous reality game-show' premise. In the book their are numerous games, and the contestants are poor people who have no other way to make money.
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Watched High Plains Drifter. It's a Western directed by Clint Eastwood that is heavily influenced by spaghetti Westerns he used to star in, although unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) it is not as epic as they were. The premise is fairly cliched and resembles a mix between High Noon and A Fistful of Dollars — townspeople ask a gunslinger for help fighting off criminals who are about to be released from prison and who hold a grudge against the town — but there is a dark twist, and in the last act the movie steers right into magical realism bordering on actual horror. The soundtrack is made to correspond the movie's mood as well: instead of pure Morricone kickassery which is to be expected of spaghetti-like Western, the music is more haunting and eerie. Overall, a very nice movie about revenge peppered with some dark humor and (probably) supernatural elements.

>Sunset Boulevard
The thing I liked the most about it is Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself. The last scene is a total 10/10.
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Well I think that the added fact is I think these guys make something like thirty grand for completing their contract and so yeah, it does sort of just go to show that absolute sickness inherently built in to the structure of society which we usually just spackled over with false patriotism before, like how becoming a .mil guy gets this retarded hero worship when the fact is it's a place to go for rural poor farmer's sons and kids trying to escape the gang violence of the streets and basically getting paid to be a merc enforcer for the establishment. I always look down on "thank you for your service" civilians a bit, like they're such retards they'd think to invite the guy out to look at his gun cabinet as some bonding moment like "we have so much in common bro I wish I joined the marines bro" when he's looking at his rack like man toys and the marine is just standing there like "uh yeah. They're tools. For killing." Actually I'd say the one really most honest thing to say about it is you're not fighting for "freedom" or your country, you're fighting for the guy beside you.

There's this one really hilarious scene with this old black guy claiming to be a marine...in a pod full of Bloods...with 3-4 different vets one of whom was not from the show and had some traumatic brain injury and PTSD'd to fuck and back and they had to get the white boys explaining how what that guy is doing is basically like falsely claiming to be in a gang and that's why the vets all wanted to G-check his ass for it. I think that show really does end up being partly unconsciously an incredibly prescient documentary and commnetary on America. I don't have any idea how FPSRussia didn't get his ass beat for being a snitch when he revealed his prison term was two months although I guess the inmates could've had someone look his videos up and his case to find out he's legit. He didn't have any paperwork either and I think not having my paperwork would scare the shit out of me.

I find it really interesting what you guys are seeing and I'm honestly really surprised by all this. She's a gay cop IRL. I'd expect y'all to key in on Jeff who is security and his dream job is CO for some reason much to the doubtintensifies of everyone that knows him IRL and who yeah I'd expect to get pegged as a chomo the minute he set foot but I honestly didn't get any chomo vibe off him.

I should really take pains in pointing out not one of them has been charged or IRL allegations afaik and so this is entirely my personal opinion, but my immediate instinct was chomo that I started thinking through the show was just this weird fruity guy, until I saw him again in a where are they now. If you don't want to keep guessing this is the spoiler and you'll now see why
Now you'll know why I'm convinced he has childporn on his drives somewhere. I think he's likely molested one of his young girl students. How in the FUCK that guy got his job is absolutely beyond me.

I find it interesting fact alarm bells went off to me the moment I saw him later rationalized away as "might just be a weird dude" which also made me realize the truism to always trust your first instinct about people is indeed true and your mind just rationalizes your gut instinct away later. I also realized looking at commnetary things about how people think and perceive each other and how among the many people that rightly picked him out as being off in a sinister way usually pegged him as a psychopath killer type because their brains aren't trained to recognize things imo kinda like how NTs assume "schizophrenia" along with stereotyping non-clinical signs for any shit they don't understand about mental illness. I am utterly convinced Robert is a child molester. That towel is the smartest thing he ever did in his life because he ever told anyone what he did for a living he'd not leave jail alive.
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It also struck me what flamboyant social camouflage pedos are willing to use, which come to think of it Gacy did something similar. Adult serial killers all seem to be lowkey and keep a low profile appearing as normal as possible. I'd have assumed chomos do the same thing but I'm learning they probably use flamboyant social colors to get close to kids and publicly excuse their own weirdnesses, and shockingly it seems to work on a lot of people. I am obviously someone who'd have a deep interest in law enforcement if I could be a predator against chomos than do stupid shit like drug laws and copywrite enforcement

Sorry for prattling on it's just become a really interesting show to me from so many angles. It's also really amusing just how many law enforcement professionals either bitched out immediately or quit working LEO altogether after what they'd seen. There are also some SHOCKINGLY unrealistic and naive people that somefucking how managed to get past the screening process and get into that show, one of whom got called out for torpedoing an entire season in spite of allegedly being "street smart" and another dumbass who basically was a cop that became full on inmate and torpedoed another season. It really makes me wonder how they put this show together and all the material they just didn't use because you know they're making like 50 times as much footage than what is shown.

It's also I think really interesting that to this day when psych majors think about doing a Stanford Prison Experiment it's called unethical, but meanwhile when done for money as a reality show is given a pass while being perhaps the most wildly professionally unethical thing I've ever seen outside intelligence community antics and is otherwise a wonderful psych opportunity but clearly the problem is the structure wants to reassert itself, when the show is revealing point blank how the system accomplishes the opposite of anything good. It corrupts the guards, it corrupts the courts, it corrupts the inmates and innocent people, and at the end of the day it seems directly exposing not only innocents but cops and COs themselves to it totally busts their belief in the system.

I've never seen more solid proof that incarceration is a cruel and unusual punishmnet that accomplishes fuckall but turning people who have a few fixable problems into utterly dangerous people loose on society. There are two places I usually never wish on anybody: hell and prison. Except for chomos and terrorists. But even that is super cruel and morally cowardly because society hasn't got the balls to take moral accountability for itself and instead hands out these two year prison sentences for raping 4 year olds and expects some poor guy who maybe is doing 5-10 and could still make something of himself turning to a lifer without parole for taking care of what we all want to do and have happen and doing it behind closed doors. It makes me think of the Joker scene from that Batman movie, where these cowardly pricks want to detonate the other boat but no one wants to pull the trigger. I think we need to agree as a society to rewrite the laws and make possession non-criminal while imposing the death penalty on pedos and leave the inmates out of it.

I think the prison industrial complex needs privatization flatly banned and it's having a way worse ripple effect on society than people imagine, that we should work harder to reintegrate people who made mistakes, and that we should strive for maximum FREEDOM as possible and that the entire modern American police state is as anti-American as possible and that everything about what we are doing is wrong and as a result it's turned possibly a majority of Americans against law enforcement which in turn makes it harder for them to protect us from actual bad guys while making them into even more of a corrupt lawless gang with badges. It's also super obvious to me now it's an entire system and not just one piece of pipeline that's within that system fucking us up. I keep thinking about the public schools and the way it's run as a penal system all the moreso after Columbine, and how that small problem like a kid in foster care ends up being a literal product of the system later with a life sentence.

Oh and one last thing, is this one black girl I found interesting how it's almost like she's a sociopath that adopted absolutely the worst fucking aspects of huwhite culture. If you see the show you'll know immediately. Got herself the whitest looking boyfriend as possible and moved to the 'burbs away from her inner city jailbird family and acted like a complete backstabbing sociopath which itself became an interesting race commentary to me because it was like seeing how a black person thinks white people are and what being middleclass white is outside looking in, and it just feels awful knowing she's unwittingly making a strong point on how shitty and untrustworthy we are sometimes.
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The private sphere probably has far more lax ethical constraints. Academia is very heavy on them. That'd be the disparity if I had to guess.

That said, I dunno if the show is really eye opening. The show isn't showing anything that's not already known about prisons, and at this point, you've got to want to be a prison apologist to not think the system is broken. Seems more like the usual misery porn that you get on TV.
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"Per Aspera Ad Astra" or "Bald lady stares at camera for 2 hours". Typical for Soviet sci-fi setting: Earthlings living in advanced communist society deal with backward aliens.
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It may appear from my post that I didn't like the film (because I mocked it and then called it typical), but it's cool.
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That's like saying any documentary on ISIS, the Taliban, or smoking crystal meth isn't eye opening. It's like the difference between saying yeah it's bad and knowing why is it bad. What you stated is the Dunning Kruger effect tier because we all can say and know something is bad but your mind fills in all these blanks it doesn't even know it has about the actual reality.

Also since inmates all practice their own omerta there's a lot left out, or they don't like talking about it like some dude back from a war. One tiny example is buck 90s. Some woman on YT was talking about jilted lesbians heating mayo in the microwave til it was scalding oil and melting a woman's face off with it, and Jay Williams confirmed the same was done with coffee and baby oil. There's a ton of stuff I did not know or think about before and the full effect it really does have on a person even after short times, and even then I get the overwhelming sense of how much is left out. The hospital/detox/institutional practices are human rights violations. Just starving these inmates alone and constantly fucking with their sleep is quite literally military intelligence tactics of interrogation. They're not even interrogating anybody. It made me lose almost all respect for vets becoming COs and whether the problem isn't even the civvies power tripping, but soldiers themselves coming back treating us like Iraqis which in turn makes me question the magnitude of what they did over there. The prisons themselves are often run by uneducated retards or vets. One old school friend I knew as a druggie and delinquent became a CO so it makes me wonder what he did.

To me it is eye opening and I live here. On top of the random psychological abuse which again most people aren't going to key in on why it's so sinister because they won't see the interrogation tactic or dehumanization and on top of that no wonder they're willing to shank a dude over some Fritos. It's been having a change on me and I now have the conviction I should never call the cops on anyone that's not a terrorist including incel shooters or a sex offender, which already I was loathe to do.

I could go on about this all day but it makes me double back on a lot of personal stuff. Like just the way cops treated me when I tried returning a lost wallet. The way calling the cops for help may get you shot and in my personal experience they're more likely to be the reasonable ones. It's also illuminating how much these fatass jail guards crumple like tissue paper.

I dunno. Maybe this is a national component too neither of us realize as much. Aussies I'm sure are pricks too but I feel like I'm talking about a special circumstance and angle as an American with my country's own system because I actually see familiarity in my homeland.
No. 55127 Kontra
You know an interesting observation I just realized is my unwillingness to go to hospitals for any reasom but imminent death or severe health problems is predicated on the fact they remind me of schools and prisons and I don't expect a single person be they a cop a teacher or a doctor or therapist to actually help me but instead try to control me and strip me of my money and freedoms. Like that is literally the reason I avoid doctors and often veer into treating them like a CO or something and approach each with the trepidation of trust being violated. I'd never consciously thought about it before. I'd never go to a therapist with a mental health crisis for similar reasons even though some people said they liked theirs, many said they're useless, one guy in particular I know who just wanted help with his depression got locked in literally jail like unit with a 72 hour mental health hold. My one parent said a similar thing but was smart enough when they was in college to snap to their circumstance and begin lying and manipulating them which is just as well because I suspect that hospital was an MK site in her day. Parent realized at that moment honest communication was impossible and this has been my routine experience. I effectively manipulated doctors into giving me medication for my hypertension.

So there's that. It's just a weird thing to realize. Trying to get any kind of professional help be it medical, police, mental whatever only stupid and naive people do or utterly desperate ones with no other options. It's not all bad but even a hospital feels like jail.
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Thing is, that it's really not hard to find that shit out without doing dodgy borderline entrapment shit like that show does at times.

The details of human rights violations at our prisons and concentration camps are well known here, unless you are actively burying your head in the sand because it's not even hidden. I mean, if you needed an A&E show to tell you that COs are sadistic cunts, and that prisons engage in psychological torture, then you weren't engaging with the information that was out there to begin with.

And before you go 'well that's Australia' consider that they do our offshore detention in foreign countries to make sure that they can hide what's going on there as best they can, up to smuggling prisoner accounts out on a smartphone. The problems in the American prison system are far more open to discovery.
No. 55129 Kontra
What I mean by not hidden is that it's on mainstream news even. Not that the government doesn't try and hide it. Just to clarify some bad wording there.
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This is true and the moment I discovered straya had an offshore KZ I immediately suspected torture and murders was happening there, probably mass rape of women also. It's a strange thing because it seems like Australia as a whole isn't shit to me but like you have this compartmentalized deep state or something alongside your absolutely shite politics.

As to what else you said it's more about connecting all the disparate pieces in my mind and finally actually seeing both the little granular details as well as broader whole. I've been in trouble in school before so I can even see that system existing within a compulsory system which utterly scares me thinking how much worse it changed since I finally got out but do know metal turnstyles, armed cops wandering halls, catching real charges for stupid shit we used to just get detention/in school suspension for doing has become the norm. No wonder then that all these zoomers begun acting like complete fucking faggots. Why wouldn't they embrace extremist politics when literally their whole lives they got institutionalized and never saw freedom? Of course they'd turn fascist because it's ultimately not much different at this point.

Oh and as for overseas things, we all know some of those blacksites basically just had CIA/others overseeing a national doing the torture because then CIA doesn't need to answer for it because technically it wasn't them directly doing it.
I can't find it right now but that guy was talking about how they'd do things like tie nylon rope around a detainees dick after feeding him lots of water and lot his dick rot off and bladder burst. Keep in mind, they were doing this to suspects, not actual people who frankly objectively speaking were fighting foreign invaders
Ah fuck I can't find it now but I read one article by a female Iraqi journalist who got abducted to one of those sites, and knew the guy with Monstro tattooed on his fat gut. Lemme try other keys ah shit I can't find her article but this only gives a surface scratch
See the thing is--and now this is what I am wondering--a lot of these guys came back and became cops or somehow involved in law enforcement so at the same time I wondering not just about MRAPS and automatic weapons etc surplus donated to police departments but also what these guys bring with them to law enforcement, psrticularly towards brown people.

I honestly was most horrified by ISIS at first because of those orange jumpsuits and ai recognized most Americans would be way too retarded and ignorant to understand a message loud and clear to me: you did this to us. This is what you did to us. Now we will abduct you and torture you and murder you the same you did it to us. It's obvious a shitload of ISIS fighters learned some of it directly from their experiences with what we were doing over there. I'd still have ended up fighting ISIS if we went to war obviously but it's really showing me all the overall pieces of the system and that it is actual policy and we are effectively dealt with as a captive labour force and pseudo inmates, and that sooner or later the insitutionalization is going to become so total, the corruption and rot so deep, that a massive civil war and brutal crackdowns will become inevitable. When you make everybody a convict nobody is a convict, just people, and all that's left is the guards and now they're The Enemy. What else can you see them as when they directly look at and treat you as the enemy?
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This Vice story is the kind of shit I'm talking about and now I'm really curious to what extent this even happens on other countries
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We also had Abu Ghraib tier shit going on within the country, and we do it on kids. We have a weirdly good image for an absolute turd of a country.

'Perks' of being rich and wectoid.

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Sad and comedic. Nice format, nice Jack Black. Good film.
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It's really sad that I read that and automatically assume someone must be making money or having an agenda on letting that article get published in corporate media at all. Are these state run facilities? Is this all just so they can have for profit juvenile gitmos? I think it's saying something terrible that we're all so jaded and cynical now the very act of doing your job in journalism is disbelieved as done sincerely.
We also had this
No. 55167
Nah, that's the Territorial government. If my understanding is correct (and I'm pretty sure it is), this is similar to how it works in the US, where you have a local government which is totally subordinate to the Federal one, unlike States which have their own mandates.
So nah, can't even blame for-profit prisons in this case. Just this country being fuggen evil for the thrill of it. Also, Four Corners is pretty good investigative journalism. They go after some real soft spots. IIRC it was them digging into the story on our War Crimes being buried that got the ABC raided by the feds that time on the basis of 'national security' lmao.
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Close-Up (1990)
Part documentary footage of a trial, part reenactment by the parties involved of a real incident where a poor cinephile impersonated a famous Iranian director and solicited favors from a family by pretending to be interested in casting them for a movie. And, ironically, they actually all end up starring in a film.
Maybe, it's not entirely fair, but I'd say it's one of those movies that are supposed to really make you think™, so if you don't enjoy that, you won't get much out of it. There's a decent video essay covering some of the angles to approach it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIdjAKZUnw

Otaku no Video (1991)
Part self-aggrandizement, part self-critique of otaku culture by Studio Gainax (of i.e. Neon Genesis Evangelion fame). The main narrative is a trope-y anime set in the 80s about a regular university student who gives up on his social life and becomes an otaku, gets dumped by his girlfriend because of it and ends up creating an anime studio with his otaku friends called Giant X (=Gainax).
This story is interrupted by staged interviews with different otaku types that portray some darker aspects of the otaku lifestyle in a mockumentary fashion. Also in the vein of critique, as the timeline in the anime narrative progresses, there appear title cards with headlines from important world events at that time, to which the anime characters/otaku are of course painfully oblivious.

>a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film"
Noice, checked it out. Funnily enough, the first and last scenes of Showgirls are also symmetrical, not so sure about the rest of the movie though.

>Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself
Oh yeah, I think getting this reference makes it more interesting, I only read about it after watching. Also Cecil DeMille is playing himself as the director and the butler (Von Stroheim) also used to be a director, and there's even more cameos by industry people from that era IIRC.

>The last scene is a total 10/10.
For sure, without that scene the movie wouldn't have been half as good. It works so well since it comes as a surprise after the "ending" is already spoiled at the beginning of the movie, but I feel like this trick takes some suspense out of the rest of the movie.
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Woh, actually I grabbed this film because is produced by Roger Corman. Coppola as a director? I don't care, lol. Too much uninteresting films I have seen from him. Corman is the real deal. That low budget permeates into everything and makes the films have an inner life.

American, listen to me: Roger Corman is one of the best artists from your country, he needs squares, libraries, streets, aircraft carriers named after him.

>pics 3 and 4
It seems they managed to do it, no?
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neat. The only Soviet sci/fi film I have watched is Solaris, and now I thought... "I think they never talk about politics in that film". I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
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Somewhat silly and chaotic but I liked it. I felt insulted zero times. And spectacular. Curious because the flaming skull ended up having personality, like in "uh? The skull ended up being more convincing than Cage? uh?". Nevermind, I like Cage. DVD status? Keeping it for now because it has commentaries and I like commentaries
No. 55206
Ghost Rider 1 is one of the two films I know I have seen, but have zero recollection of (the other being the third or fourth Resident Evil where they are in the desert).
That said, the second one was very silly, but in a good way, and very entertaining.
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The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973)

Masterpiece of surreal cinema by Polish director Wojciech Has. A man visits a sanatorium to see his dead father and ends up caught in a sequence of surreal landscapes involving several reoccurring characters including his father. The camera always hovering around the main character and fish-eye lenses are used to great effect.
Ending reminded me a lot of Bloodborne, in fact there's more visual and thematic parallels to the point I'm almost certain it was an inspiration for the game. Also likely the blueprint for e.g. the near-death dream episodes in The Sopranos etc.

The Color of Pomegranates (1969)

Purportedly about the life of Armenian poet Sayat-Nova, the film consists of a series of highly surreal and symbolic tableaus, always filmed against a perpendicular background, with reoccurring characters, colors, etc. in different contexts, evoking a sense of rhythm and poetry. It's quite meditative with its use of music and poetry recitations, I ended up dozing off a lot and dreaming my own little dreams, only to wake up to more and more striking and puzzling imagery. One of the strangest and most unique viewing experiences I had.

>It seems they managed to do it, no?
I suppose so, haha. In the end of the film the world is unexplainably flooded and the otaku are the only ones left.
No. 55228
> I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
Was it like this in the book (which Solaris is based on)? Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes (like literally "evil capitalists are selling air").
Plus according to Marxist ideology future of society inevitably will be a communist utopia, and it's quite a boring setting (no conflicts, no wars, people just live in peace and happiness). However there is a series of books where it is described in details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe
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no, no, I figure I explained myself incorrectly, in the movie there are zero politics. I haven't read the book but I have read many Lem books and it's the same, zero politics.

>Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes

Ah now I recall this:


Apparently in the beginning they would not have even a Russian translator and guessed/invented all the dialog. I know something similar was made here in the 60s, but regarding American comics.

A film without pretensions is always a safe bet.

Pic: a film I wanna watch
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Hm, interesting, similar tropes are found in Scifi from that period here in the west. Pic: the guys in the right, they have achieved utopia. Problem they are too good people and then the guys from the left come!

Artist a Catalan treasure, Alfons Font.
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>Wanderers concept
Reminds me of 2001 and Erik Von Daniken output, being the later recycled in DDR schools.
"Who made us?" "Aliens! God is too passé and bourgeois!"


I figure it's more complicated to communicate with aliens than to communicate with God. At least no one has said the aliens made moral laws and that the Party is doing wrong in not following them.

BTW Von Daniken complained.

Sorry if I can sound condescending, we have shit here too, different shit but more or less is the same: power.

Pic: I wanna watch this film too
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Yeah we had a whole lot of that in Western scifi. Wasn't Boskone pretty much just supposed to be the evil commies against the noble Arisians? Of course I always also heard it as basically just trying to fictionalize saying "Aryans" but then again we got tons of unrepentant Nazis through Paperclip. I wonder if the Russian version of Operation Paperclip filled them with any lowkey Nazism also.
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In a Lonely Place (1950)

Humphrey Bogart as a washed up Hollywood writer, Gloria Grahame as femme fatale, could I make it any more obvious?
Great melodrama-heavy noir. Really enjoyed the scenes when the Bogart character inserts some lines from the screenplay he's writing in the film, kinda meta without being obnoxious.

Diamonds & Ashes (1958)

Set after WW2 in Poland, a young resistance fighter is ordered to assassinate a Communist party official but gets second thoughts after he falls in love with a waitress.
Hard to believe it's that old, feels really modern, if not for b/w could've easily been made in the 70s or so. Really great cinematography, kinda reminds me of Scorsese, quite dynamic, light touches of symbolism.
Zbigniew Cybulski easily rivals the coolness of the likes of James Dean or Marcello Mastroianni.
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Basic Instinct (1992)

The one with the infamous leg crossing scene. Super fast-paced noir with a superb ever-present suspenseful score. Pure thrill & entertainment, I'm really starting to like Verhoeven.

Color out of Space (2010)

Some interesting stuff visually with the CG, less so with the very static camera work & too much cutting. But the main issue is that it fails to build up any suspense and is really boring for the most part. Mediocre acting & dialogue don't help. A valiant effort for a very low budget movie, but wouldn't recommend unless mb you're a hardcore Lovecraft fan.
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Ben-Hur (1959)

The most expensive movie production at time of its release and it shows in some of the audio-visual splendor, from the huge sets filled with hundreds of extras to the epic score. However the story is tremendously boring and the characters extremely one dimensional which is even more frustrating due to the length of almost 4 hrs. The tie-in with the Jesus story feels barely impactful and the ending is kinda silly deus ex machina. Only redeeming scenes are the galleys leading to the whole adoption arc (about the only hint at character development) and ofc the famous chariot race.

The Village (2004)

Really liked this, kinda surprised it apparently got panned by critics when it came out. Great cast, awesome camera work (Roger Deakins btw!) & visual style, found it thrilling throughout (I suppose it helps I avoided spoilers, ofc you can guess at the twist but I don't think that even ruins the experience much). I suppose it feels a bit short and the ending could've been a bit more ambiguous. But the setting is really deep enough that one could've made a whole mini-series set in it. Also I'm always down when a movie appreciates how creepy bare trees look.
No. 55359
The Village is one of those movies I probably will never watch again in a long time because of the ending. Not saying it is bad but it is sort of final.
No. 55360
A TV series could work as a prequel.
Watched it at the movies when it came out. I remember it as a good movie, and the ending makes a good twist. I dunno, does anything allude to the ending? Or is there a similar story structure that has been there like that? Because I was surprised back then (I was 12 though).
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Red Post on Escher Street (2020)
Recent Sion Sono film about a director holding an audition for his new movie and delving into the partly intertwining backstories of all the applicants. It developed out of an acting workshop and was shot in 8 days so it's rather sloppy, but still fun, a lesser director couldn't have pulled it off. Interesting concept to have the extras become the main actors.

Watched this through a Japanese film festival, pay-per-view but I still wanna plug it real quick: https://watch.nipponconnection.com/
Though iirc most movies can't be viewed outside of Germany.

>does anything allude to the ending
There's a scene quite early when Lucien is talking to his mother alluding that the grown-ups are hiding something (and there's literally a black box which his mother won't open for him :D). There's a bit more subtle stuff about how the grown-ups behave too, but the main giveaway nowadays is probably when you know it's a M. Night Shyamalan movie, you kinda have to expect a twist.
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Triumph of the Will (1934)
Plethora of bird's view shots of huge parades of different NSDAP cadres and highlights from speeches by Nazi officials held together with some Kitsch close-ups of children laughing. Gotta admit the scale and grandeur of all those gatherings still manages to amaze.
Probably necessary to read some more commentary on it to get the most out of it even though the subs provided some context, I almost dozed off since it was so repetitive.

Elle (2016)
Expected something along the lines of an erotic thriller like Basic Instinct, as it also opens in the middle of a brutal sex act, but this ended up being much weirder. Many similarities to Haneke's Piano Teacher, except of course Verhoeven's more kinetic and complex style. There's many side characters who are fucked up in their own right, but it never really stops being The Isabelle Huppert Show.
Probably one of the more astute commentaries on the stunted (sexual) development of "gamers", among other things.
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It has been a while since I saw it but I sort of had the feeling that there would be some kind of twist and just hoped it wouldn't be a bad one. When it came I was a bit disappointed at the explanation like why there are no planes flying over it.

I'm not a fan of prequels. You already know how things are going to end so why bother? Not that there are acceptable or even good ones but the concept is not interesting as a start. Maybe because I associate it with milking a franchise for all that it got. I like the idea of spinoffs though. Continue telling stories in a universe, but then again they usually fail to be interesting because greedy diary farmers.
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Seen a couple of clips from these over the years, but decided to watch the whole thing and had an absolute blast. Zizek's commentary is idiosyncratic and somewhat irreverent, at times genuinely insightful, at others hilariously overwrought. The idea to put him on reproduced sets from the movies he's talking about is absolute genius.
Kinda glad I waited with watching this until I had seen or was at least acquainted with a good chunk of the films mentioned, otherwise I can imagine being somewhat overwhelmed since he does rattle on throughout most of the runtime.
I would particularly recommend the Guide to Ideology since it's lighter on the psychoanalytic lingo and thus easier to follow & his interpretations less tenuous.

I'm pretty sure that scene was Shyamalan actually commenting on/poking fun at people who look for far-fetched "plot holes" like this :D
Consider the guard who mentions it is actually a cameo by Shyamalan himself. It also puts the other stuff he says "do not get into conversations"/"it was a very stressful time for me" in a different light - as him being resigned about trying to argue with people who overscrutinize his movies to point out plot holes that aren't really relevant for the story. There would be little reason to mention the whole thing about the planes otherwise.
No. 55444
I remember I tried watching it, only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Might give it another shot soon.
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>only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Okay, now I have to see it. I'm laughing irl.

I have no interest in this movie but at least have to see a few scenes because there is nothing more attractive than a woman holding a weapon.
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Dear god why I cannot find a woman like that outside of France
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Unbreakable (2000)
Another Shyamalan, this time a superhero movie deconstruction of sorts, starring Bruce Willis and Samuel L Jackson. Nice cinematography, but kinda boring for the most part to the point that towards the end that I forgot it's a Shyamalan movie so the twist really surprised me, despite there's literally a scene early on when a character says "They say this one has a surprise ending" :DDD (though referring to a comic book)

Viy (1967)
Based on a novella by Gogol, this is often lauded as one of the few if not almost the only Soviet horror movie.
It drags on a bit until all hell breaks loose in the last 10 minutes with some quite amazing props and costumes. The camera work and music are used to great effect to create a spooky atmosphere, so it's really a shame there weren't more Soviet horror produced.
Also quite funny at times but I'm not sure how well that translates.

Haha, IIRC he entertains it as one possible interpretation among others, but then goes on to say that the shark is rather a placeholder for all sorts of different fears... and then goes on to compare it with the Nazis's similar usage of the Jew as scapegoat. Admittedly not a mind-blowing insight put that way but it's a nice segue.

She really is one of a kind tbh :D
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Maybe but I didn't think of it during the hole movie until it was pointed out and then it was just annoying from what I can remember. If what you say is true it is almost like a perverse version of the movies that assumes I'm twelve and cannot handle subtle and ambiguous. I didn't think of it and now here is an explanation for a problem I didn't see or needed and it made the experience worse.
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Deep End (1970)
Psychosexual coming-of-age drama with some colorful giallo aesthetics and eccentric British humour. Not really my cuppa tea, but at least quite original. Hip soundtrack by Can and Cat Stevens.

Beauty and the Beast (1946)
Adaptation of the classic fairytale by French artist Jean Cocteau. Wonderful set designs (esp. the surreal living furniture) and costumes, ofc especially that of the Beast. Some cool usage of slow and reverse motion and similar tricks that work here as genuinely magical rather than just cheap. It drags a bit whenever the Beast isn't on screen, despite the tense soundtrack.

Snake Eyes (1998)
Sleek thriller by De Palma starring Nic Cage as an eccentric corrupt cop. Amazing long opening sequence that is then shown from different perspectives throughout the film as new information is uncovered. Reminded me a lot of Metal Gear Solid with the betrayal, conspiracy and military-industrial themes.

A Page of Madness (1926)
Japanese silent horror film, (purportedly) about a man who tries to rescue his wife from a madhouse, however it's so surreal that the plot is hard to follow. Apparently back in the day they had benshi who would narrate the plot during the screening, but the version I watched was just accompanied by music, which was admittedly really great.

Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from
No. 55566
>A Page of Madness
Sounds interesting, thanks for the recommendation.

Here if anybody else is interested:
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A Man Escaped (1956)
Minimalist thriller about a French resistance fighter escaping from a Nazi prison. As methodical and repetitive cinematographically as the protagonist's planning and execution of the escape, yet surprisingly tense.

The Third Man (1949)
Classic noir set in post-war Vienna for a change, some really great locations and architecture to see, interior as well as exterior. Some interesting technical idiosyncrasies like the usage of lots of slanted angles, shadow-play and the soundtrack being solely played on a zither set a quite unique mood.
A nice touch is that the protagonist is a writer of Westerns, which are basically the inverse of the noir genre, so he is appropriately hapless in his investigations.

You're welcome. The version you posted has some really mind-melding music though :D
I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTc-CE8NWPw
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>Not really my cuppa tea
I thought it was brilliant, the whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
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>whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
I liked that too, don't get me wrong, I guess my issue is just that the story didn't really engage me enough. It meanders quite a lot and e.g. the ending - while a cool scene by itself - just doesn't really hit you emotionally. Mb that's it, it's too "cool", too non-chalant for me, kinda reminds me in that way of Godard's Breathless that I also watched recently.
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Taxi Driver (1976)
The "You talkin to me?" monologue popped into my head for some reason so decided to read the shooting script by Paul Schrader only to find out that it's not there since De Niro improvised it. Still worth it, quite enjoyed comparing the small differences between script and end result, e.g. in the script Travis comes off as slightly more sordid due to the scenes in the porn theatre being more prominent, also I suppose due to De Niro's charisma being more palpable on screen.
What can I say, it's definitely up there with my all-time favorite movies. Watching it with decent sound quality this time around, I was particularly impressed by the score by Bernhard Hermann which really sets the mood and glues the movie together.
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>I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals)

Thanks. The music surely makes a huge difference.
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An insane roller coaster of a movie. Directed by Michael Curtiz of Casablanca fame, it is based on the book of the same name by Joseph E. Davies - The American ambassador to the Soviet Union from November 1936 to June 1938. In 1941, he edited into a book form his collection of his papers from the State Department.
Davies was commissioned this movie by president Roosevelt and held complete control over its production. The movie is part allied propaganda effort, part Davies' own project. Understandably, a movie based on what are effectively memoirs would show its protagonist as a greater than life character, but Davies' takes it to the next level in presenting himself as a down to earth man who didn't share the russophobia of his English or French counterparts and rightly saw the necessity of the world standing together against fascism.

>The career diplomat Charles Bohlen, who served under Davies in Moscow, later wrote:[11]
>Ambassador Davies was not noted for an acute understanding of the Soviet system, and he had an unfortunate tendency to take what was presented at the trial as the honest and gospel truth. I still blush when I think of some of the telegrams he sent to the State Department about the trial.(p.51)

The movie itself is fantastic. The visuals are great. In cinematography, it's a masterpiece. It chronicles Davies' being personally selected for this very important mission, one in which the future of the free world depends on. Our unlikely ambassador who up until now was merely a lawyer finds himself handpicked by the president to go to Russia and report back everything he sees there. Upon entering Russia, he is received warmly. People are happy, he tours around factories - American industry and its role in serving as a model and teacher to Soviet Industry is praised. The country appears to be a technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life. In one of the most macabre and accidentally humorous foreshadowing scenes, an American born factory director tells our ambassador that there's some sabotage going down in the factories.

The ambassador and his family enjoy Moscow high society and the various diplomatic entourages are shown in social gatherings. The movie becomes something of an mystery movie, but this is all resolved in the trial of the twenty one in which right deviationists categorically admit to working with the fascist powers to overthrow Stalin on Trotsky's orders, some dodge the questions but none are capable of actually lying and fall to the prosecutor's unwavering resolve. Stalin's peculiar view of the world around made manifest by a Warner Bros production. Mr Davies tells the British ambassador that "based on [his] 20 years of trial practice" the confessions of Yagoda, Radek, Tukhachevsky Bukharin were true confessions. The movie has Bukharin deliver his final address before being shot, stoically explaining why the opposition realizes they cannot defeat Stalin and that ultimately they are above everything ashamed to have committed such treasonous acts.

The movie reaches a great peak when Davies' finally meets Stalin as he's about to leave - but the dictator invites him to the Little Corner where Davies, extremely honored to meet him, tells him "I believe, sir, that history will record you as a great builder for the benefit of mankind.". Stalin then explains to the attentive Davies the inside scoop on the Hitler-Trotsky connection. Davies ends up running around Europe in the purpose of creating an anti-fascist bloc but meets varied types of resistance, from the British that "want to build up Germany" to the French who are too russophobic to see the truth. Churchill receives him at his home, and is extremely interested to hear what dipshit Davies has to say about the USSR.

In this self-serving production Davis is repeatedly proven right again, but the world doesn't listen. As American braces to enter the world war, he goes on an anti-isolationist tour around the country on the President's request - beating back hecklers who don't understand that the USSR is a force for peace.

The movie ends in an extremely well made montage of the great American Christian nation rising up to fight arm in arm with the other nations of free world against fascist tyranny. The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge. For bonus points, it also justifies the Soviet invasion of Finland. Still, with all the military might scenes and a style that at times feels very experimental - you can almost feel the socialism.

No. 55632
This era is very weird in terms of American pro-Soviet propaganda. I think a lot of them got re-cut after the war even because Ameriga wasn't buddy buddy with Russia anymore :-DD

One of my favourite ones is 'The Battle of Russia', a 1943 propaganda 'documentary' that's over an hour long on the subject of the Soviet Union without once using the word 'Communism' :-DDD
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I'm sorry for the tangent but that one sentence particularly struck a chord with me, and how much we want something beautiful that is above the ultimate ugliness of realitywhich given that phrasing probably adds another layer of irony to what I'm about to say
>a theocentric technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life and uncovering the sublime truths of God and the universe His creation
That's quite literally the perfect society to me. So then how come this world is such shit and it's always filled with so much ugliness when man is involved? Or is it that the world itself is such ugliness? How come we all seem to want something like this but nobody ever seems to achieve anything but the opposite?
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I feel like the 'just ignore it' approach is a more legitimate route. This one genuinely tried to make the Soviet Union appealing to the American populace. It felt like it cast a wide net in seeking support from the viewer, it had both jokes about the subservient nature of women and scenes lauding Soviet women entering the workforce. Seeing a young stakhanovitsa in the train's engineer cabin. Davies asks a commissar if women are allowed to ride the train there. "But meester Davies, she iz enzhineer!". Some scenes praised the Soviet Union's strength from a more "traditional" approach, with scenes showing showing the well-trained ski troops, strong tractor tanks and respectable Chekists who unwaveringly fight traitors. Stalinist industrialization itself is portrayed twofold, as simply a technocratic approach to organizing society for the greater good of the masses and as a revolutionary movement guided by Stalin to energize said masses who then are enthusiastic agents of this new society.

Apparently in the original script in which Trotsky meets Hitler:
>HITLER: We are not ready for this turn of affairs. You have completely bungled the work you were supposedly directing with judicious ability. That forces us to withdraw our hand completely for the minute. That means Russia will be able to buildup its army and augment its supplies of war materials. You are trying to force us to act in Russia before we are ready!
>TROTSKY: No, no, Herr Hitler. This is all an unfortunate accident. You know I am in perfect accord with your plans.[9]
Trotsky and Hitler don't even show up in the film, Hitler appearing only in footage from the Nuremberg Rallies and various public addresses. Trotsky doesn't appear, being only PROOF'd that he was the mastermind behind it all. Dog this movie would be so much better with this scene.

>Film producer Robert Bruker later claimed that he wanted some ambiguity in the trial scenes but Davies insisted that the accused be depicted as guilty traitors and Trotskyists.[7]
Davies is a strange character, I almost feel an urge to read the entirety of the book this movie was based on, I just checked excerpts and it seems like a window into the mind of one of the many foreign observers who were infused with socialist spirit. All I found seems to imply he wasn't being cynical. Retrospectively, one of the best scenes was the ambassador's wife talking to the commissar of jewelry and defeating the prejudice they had towards each other (Turns out the American woman is also a fierce go-getter, not some slavish wife to her powerful husband, - shocking the comissar lady. The stylish haute-couture commissar lady is not some potato faced kolkhoznitsa dressed in a garbage bag - shocking the ambassador's wife). The Moscow store they're in is well furbished, modern and sleek. Symbolic dialogue aside, this entire scene is presumably an very accurate example of the various enmities the Davies enjoyed during their stay in Moscow. Davies might not be actively hiding the conditions of 1936 as much as truthfully relaying what he and his family experienced and what he saw of the Soviet Union.

Power went out as I was finishing typing out this sperg essay, the cinephiles almost got away without me shitting up their thread but Chromium saw it through.

>That's quite literally the perfect society to me.
Working as intended. The religious elements you add to your post are akin to Davies' portrayal of America. Both are revolutionary technocratic nations (in contrast to more backward and reactionary European nations) committed to fighting to improve man's condition. Unlike the Soviet Union however, America is also a nation whose mission is holy, as shown by the use of religious imagery when America mobilizes to vanquish evil.
>Davies even claimed that communism was "protecting the Christian world of free men", and he urged all Christians "by the faith you have found at your mother's knee, in the name of the faith you have found in temples of worship" to embrace the Soviet Union.[12]
if all want good -- then why bad?? Do you really need an answer? :DDD
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Very interesting Chez 1958 movie based on Jules Vern works. It is not just a book adoption, but a very original and stylized work. Across the whole movie it using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings. More than that, the overall style and mood of the story and the narrative is a sort of soft parody on the naivety of XIX century adventure novels, but it never goes to the full comedy or something like that, it takes itself seriously and some moments are absurd only of you think about them more. If you into "tying madam to the rails before moving train", you may try it, this movie full of action of this sort and not boring at all.
No. 55656
>Working as intended.
What? But I didn't even see this movie or read that book or even know about Davies or who he was or any of this history you're talking about, a fact which probably speaks much deeper than I even realize. I live here and I'd never heard or these people or such propaganda efforts.
>even Davies
Lad something which you must understand is der ewige Amerikan. We are all pretty much like this deep down inside regardless the fact this was a man nearly a century ago or any party or affiliation.
obviously to answer your question in my implication, we are all united on being der ewige Amerikan, only we have bitter disagreement on how to get there or what that looks like. On some fundamental level basically just big enders and little enders from Gulliver's Travels, ready to kill our countrymen on moment notice over the details on accomplishing America's free and holy mission, probably with guns
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I mean its working as intended in that it elicits in you the mental image of le ideal society, not that you've been psy-op'd. Probably poor word usage on my part. Normal to not know some irrelevant US diplomacy stooge, even in Kotkin's Stalin he's just a footnote.

You seem to believe Davies was being facetious in his comments, but I don't think he was.
No. 55659
Gonna have to watch this. Love letters to something are often the best kind of satire.
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Why I or he would be facetious? That's actually part of my point. Perhaps I vastly underestimate the criticality of the American need to believe also, as just a background noise to me, but no. What I was saying is that put another way, once a German or Brit 7 years ago said how he enjoyed and was amused by talking to us because at once we'd start trolling like some hivemind, but that "then I find out what you guys actually believe and it's always even crazier, which makes you full of surprises." I recognize we say lots of facetious, sarcastic, or trolly shit, and that for some reason it's often impossible for a foreigner to tell apparantly whether we are just fucking with them or meant every deadpan word that just came from our mouths.

As an armchair expert on Americans, I will tell you that he at once was probably saying certain things in certain ways with an agenda, but from what you describe it's clear to me he took everything at face value and meant a lot of that stupid shit he said because he probably like me unwittingly apparently saw and recognized something about the common man infused with the revolutionary spirit and wrong misidentified that what his own Americanisms and optimisms. A pretty shocking example of that to me would be him calling on Christians to embrace and defend USSR Socialism as some religious duty, given that religious people here will literally disown you faster for that than catching teh gay. But at the same time, based on what little you said I can also see why he wrongly believed the "Nazi camp swimming pools" DPRK tour tier lies he was being fed.

I will say it was also actually probably much easier for him to be doing that in Russia, because as I understand it Russia also had both a frontier mentality and then le patriots shot a bunch of royals which is always going to strike a chord within the American soul.

But tl;dr you can just read exactly what I wrote word for word about the theocentric technocratic revolutionary tree of liberdy notion which is effectively 80% of the murican soul. The remaining 20% is living in a cabin on some God's forgotten frontier and not being bothered by anybody as le rustic man.
>but how can you guys at once embrace Theodor Kaczynski as well as nearly worship le free internet and muh moon landings
Mysterious burger soul.

I absolutely guarantee you those Russians buttered the fuck out of this guy with le free rustic proleterians chopping wood on his stay there. Probably all they really had to do was show a few trinkets and Soviet inventions and industry, talk about something like S-P-A-C-E and telescopes or whatever, and end his trip to the port by driving past some staged villagers erecting a cross to pray in the middle of the woods and he'd be sincerely eating out of their hands.
>...and then Comrade Dmitri showed me some man who built his own log cabin erecting a cross in the woods so he could be alone with God. I tell you my good friend John Smithton, this is truly the second greatest country in the world.
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Yea I agree. Btw main plot was based on book which was 62 when the movie was made. Now this movie is 63 years old lol.
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Ebin, and glad you agree actually. As a fan of the pulps especially, the modern conception of pulp satire pisses me off. They're too self aware and focused on poking fun at the source instead of just presenting it with all the silliness it has in its purest form.
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Lost Highway (1997)
Zizek's interpretation in his Guide to Cinema didn't help all that much to make sense of it tbh, but I was still thoroughly enthralled. Made me feel viscerally disturbed at times as few movies have managed to.
At the risk of repeating myself - loved the soundtrack here too, some really fun stuff - especially the heavier tracks. Bowie's intro/outro track highlighting the circularity of the story is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuK8NIBKUm8
Also hnnnng @ Patricia Arquette's teeth

Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
This is gonna be my edgy "christmas movie" choice going forward, might actually be Kubrick's best from what I've seen so far (everything after Lolita). Basically a perfect movie. Without having investigated it in detail, there seems to be quite a bit of symmetry going on in the story, cf. the two visits to the prostitute, Bill getting heckled by the college boys as gay vs. being flirted with by the gay hotelier, etc.
While both are intertwined and important for the movie, I think the paranoia/conspiracy & "unveiling of the elites" is the more interesting aspect rather than the relationship/jealousy theme. In this vein, I see Under the Silver Lake (2018) as a great successor, though ofc it's far from Kubrick's perfectionism.
Also loved the more humorous parts like the high confrontation between Kidman and Cruise (whom were actually married at the time of filming - guess I'm late to the party for finding this out :D), or the miniature farce of the big orgy/ritual scene in the costume shop.

>using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings
Looks very cool, might have to watch it

>The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge.
Damn, that's bonkers. Interesting to see an example of more "hard" propaganda from Hollywood, not to mention that it's pro-Soviet :D
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Mulholland Drive was one of the spookiest things I've ever seen, perhaps partly because the furious masturbation scene was done so well, and also because I watched it at exactly the right time in my life to take it as an allegory and expose of the mind control cults operating within Hollywood and the intelligence agencies as one of their dirtiest little secrets using trauma and child molestation based programming and so took it as her ultimately being whacked by the owners of this country because her programming broke down. Which, come to think of it, is interesting that you ultimately paired Eyes Wide Shut with Lost Highway.

Allegedly there's some kind of lost footage of this film which Kubrick had intended to leave in it for theatrical audiences but that after he privately screened it They had him killed and then "lost" the footage giving much better contexts and butchered it releasing the more nonsensical edited and cut up version from unused B real clips to try making it just about sex.
No. 55692
Didn't Lynch himself say that Lost Highway isn't too much of a deeper meaning thing and that you should just enjoy the ride? I feel that especially with Lynch and Kubrick people tend to overanalyze, like how The Shining is a hidden allegory of the Holocaust or something.
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Some people alleged on the internet that The Shining was an allegory for faking the moon landing yes, and also yes if you are remotely clever enough to solve adventure game puzzles you can easily play the same game with reality. Lots of newfag conspiracy theorists tend to do this their first year or two conspiracizing, and yes they also almost universally get into numerology during their conspiracyfag probationary period. See also: Qtards.

I'm not talking about Lost Highway though. I'm talking about Mulholland Drive which remains one of my top most thoroughly disturbing films I've ever seen, which is again because unlike things which are a meme level stretch such as The Shining it actually fits really well, or at least that the woman has MPD/DID. But yes you are also entirely correct about both Kubrick and Lynch fans wrongfully doing that speaking of which I've never seen Blue Velvet maybe I should DL it to further spite my rock squeezing ISP.I want to uninstall and redownload terabytes just to spite them I wish using their bandwith cost them money or something.

As to Eyes Wide Shut, that's a really special case. Unlike all of the other films that's explicitly about secret societies and rich elites and murder and high society and the occult. Also it strongly implies pedophilia, which is all the more interesting considering iirc it was set somewhere in NY which in light of Jeffrey Epstein is an interesting take. There's also some other strange cultish happenings in that state with rich elites and mind control and weird sex shit like NXIVM and the Seagram's heiresses, whose father also iirc had some kind of strange Mossad and World Jewish Congress ties. It should also be noted that the one scene had Nicole Kidman fucking a sea captain, which made absolutely no sense and was completely out of context until you realize the founder of Happyology was obsessed with LARPing as a sea captain and at the time they both were members.

I'd actually consider EWS to be a profoundly startling expose or rather a much more obvious attempt than I'd ever seen elsewhere to broach the subject. The masquerade may have been partly inspired by some infamous Rothschild party, regardless of anything else. It reads, as a film, like something where lots of other clips had gone missing or should be in there but are not, and I distinctly remember when it came out that pretty much all the media outlets marketed it just as some movie about Cruse and Kiddman having sex. It was actually incredibly odd to me having seen it to then think about the way everyone reviewed and marketed it on release, like they willfully ignored the entire basis of the movie to try and make it sound like nothing but an excuse to have a sex movie between those two. It was a real subtle "the mass media is fake" moment to me at the time.

Have you not seen it? It's explicitly about a strange murderous occult sex cult for rich elites from places like Manhattan. The fact Kubrick died days later only amplified the suspicion. It's come to basically stand for "that movie about Illuminati black magick and mind control and pedo/sex blackmail that they killed Kubrick for" in any conspiracy circle.

Lastly speaking of strange films with dead actors directors, you should check this out. I think the Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was not necessarily a good film, or rather it wasn't actually knocking my socks off, but it was certainly far from a bad one. However I also mention this one because it also felt like almost an insider Hollywood culture project for Hollywood insiders that happened to get made into a film where no one will get it and just watch and be mindlessly entertained. They only shot like half the scenes while Ledger was alive so they had to get different people like Jude Law and Johnny Depp to fill in for various scenes. It was an altogether strange experience and I'm kinda shocked it doesn't get talked about more.
No. 55708
Yeah, sorry, I was more alleging to the other poster.
Just out of interest, are you visiting your home chan from time to time? Because on /tv/ they often have threads about how Kubrick and EWS with the exactly same things you are saying.

That said, watch Blue Velvet, it's good, but it's more of an actual crime story than mindfucking craziness of other Lynch works. Also, Frank Booth is a great villain, but then again, Hopper is always good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4
Notice how the dude on the right almost laughs when Hopper starts shouting.

As for Dr. Parnassus, when it came out, everyone was talking about it and especially about the workarounds regarding Ledger's death.
But like every other Gilliam movie (save for Fisher King maybe), it's flashy and colorful and touches on several subjects without going into any depth and just meanders for far too long. I would still do Lily Cole with the power of a thousand suns, though.
Imo Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time. His Don Quixote film was a disappointment.
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Eyes Without a Face (1960)
Another French classic that I found somewhat underwhelming. It's quite nice visually, the actors are good, I liked the music (esp. the theme with which it opens - it veers nicely between quirky and creepy). However I didn't find the story particularly engaging, it showed too much for my taste, lacking in suspense and scary moments.

Holy Motors (2012)
Consisting of several surreal episodes where he plays different strange characters, it's basically just a showreel for actor Denis Lavant, who admittedly delivers some great performances. Most of the episodes are quite interesting by themselves but tied together they result in a proper shitpost in movie form.
Coincidentally features one of the actresses from Eyes Without a Face who looks surprisingly stunning despite her age, and even a small nod to the film itself at the end.

Bo Burnham: Inside (2021)
Got roped into watching this - definitely overhyped but understandably so since it does capture the lockdown & "being online" zeitgeist quite well. Not a huge fan of the songs (tho admittedly had an earworm from this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU), but I definitely like the concept of doing a DIY-gesamtunstwerk.

>you should just enjoy the ride?
Sure, and that I did :D
I haven't seen/read the interview you're alluding to, but generally wouldn't always take what a director says at face value.

>Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time
Not a big fan of Gilliam either, but I really loved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
It was hugely influential for my teens with all the drug antics, not sure how it would hold up were I to watch it now.
No. 55876
The "shining shizo theory" distract people from looking at early american space program, where they made much more obvious fakes. Like "record time on orbit" Something like 2 weeks. Without any special drugs, costumes or exercise regimen. Just sitting 2 weeks in chair on an orbit (t. official version). And jumped around the aircarrier deck right after the landing.

My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, stopped their human space program too. They only made space stations used for accomodating people for less than 2 weeks time periods to shoot some neoreligious freemason propaganda about muh science there.

The real station should have at least some artificial gravity. Trough orbital centrifuge.
No. 55884
>My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, s
Did you know, Russian Federation is in fact a UK registered corporation and therefore you don't have to follow any of their laws?
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The Witness/A tanú (1969)
Hilarious absurdist satire about the communist regime, heard our resident Hungarian poster mentioning it in some thread. The story is about an unwitting guy who's sent to prison for slaughtering a pig but then gets manipulated by a paranoid party cadre who sets him up in various positions of power. There he spectacularly fails and each time ends up in prison again until he succeeds at leading a science institute to produce a single Hungarian Orange only to have his son accidentally eat it. Finally he is groomed in an overly meticulous fashion as a witness to condemn a former friend.
I was afraid there might be some references I wouldn't get or w/e but I didn't notice anything and it was a comedy that made me laugh for once - so I'd definitely recommend it.

Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (1965)
Parajanov's 2nd best-known masterpiece besides Color of Pomegranates (>>55212). This one's a comparatively straight-forward tragic love story set in a Ukranian Carpathian village. It shares a similar sense of aestheticism with traditional flavor through costume and song, along with striking colors and recurring symbols. It features some of his iconic painting-like stills, but the camera work is more conventional for the most part, I particualarly loved the almost overly quick camera movements (e.g. in the opening where it mimics the POV of a falling tree).
No. 55895
The main thing about A Tanú isn't the historical references it makes (or rather, doesn't make besides the parodic portrayal of the 1948-1956 era) is the references we make to it.
There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it. The Hungarian Orange for example is one of them, especially the line that goes
>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
that people sometimes say when something is serviceable but will get the job done
Or the line
>I'm not trained enough ideologically
Or the first image you posted, that one is a classic.

It's an important movie because of how tightly the lines got integrated into common speech.
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>There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it.
Oh yeah, many such cases with Soviet movies as well
>>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
Makes me chuckle still :D
My favorite part might've been the Socialist Ghost Train though, might make a webm if I figure out how to hardcode subtitles.

Can you recommend any other Hungarian movies (aside from Béla Tarr stuff) btw?

It was Galkovsky tire and it was on the EC
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>Socialist Ghost Train
That's a good pun because in the original it's called "A Szocialista Szellem Vasútja", which can be interpreted as "Socialist Ghost Train" or also as "The Train of Socialist Spirit", since the word "Szellem" can mean either the ghost or the abstract concept of spirit.
The scene has one other reference to an 1919 poster (the red fist smashing the table), but because the iconography is clear if you don't know it then it just registers as a generic piece of propaganda.
It says "Bastards! Is this what you wanted?"

Sadly I'm almost completely illiterate when it comes to Hungarian films, but I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Personally I'd recommend the animated epic The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics, which adapts one of my favourite pieces of Hungarian literature using a lot of expressive styles. And you don't have to worry about missing stuff, since it's a Menschheitsparabel in the vein of Faust.

Though it's another one of those works that had a lot of its lines integrated into common speech (Not because of Jankovics's film, which is fairly new, but because everyone has to read the book).
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Watched Wolfwalkers. Great cartoon from one Irish studio, I have not watched their other works (my bf did), but this was generally a great experience. It cleverly using modern instruments for vibrant 2d animation with an interesting art style and design decisions (like usage of form between the city and the forest). While I can't say it so great as, for example, in Klaus, it still enjoyable to look at.
The story is more on safe side adventure, without any too hardcore moments (tho there are little Christianity vs Paganism in Ireland... not even commentary, but something I would've not expected from a cartoon from some big corporation), but still, same things overall feel fresher and less forced and restricted than an already very tired unimaginative world of Disney-Pixar big 3d animation. I May definitely recommend it for the family evening, same as mentioned Klaus if you have not seen it.
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Khrustalyov, My Car! (1998)
>Military doctor General Klenski is arrested in Stalin’s Russia in 1953 during an anti-Semitic political campaign accused of being a participant in so-called “doctors’ plot”.
Extremely overwhelming, watching this movie is like being dragged through a madhouse. Especially for the first half, the protagonist bounces from one overly dense scene to the next, stumbling through a multitude of minor characters who all seem to have something to say, often at the same time. The second half then features the tragicomedy of Klenski's fall and ironic redemption proper, including an unsettling prison rape scene, and the rather surprising end as it ties into the death of Stalin.
I'd have to rewatch Hard to Be a God to judge more confidently, but this might actually be German's magnum opus.

>I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Cool, I'd appreciate it

>The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics
Looks ebin, I think I actually remember you posting about the source text
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The poster reminds me of this 1920 poster, maybe it was based upon the Hungarian one.
No. 56007 Kontra
P.S.: Was designed by Karl Jakob Hirsch btw.
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The Dead Zone (1983)
Adaptation of the Stephen King novel by Cronenberg, with Christopher Walken as the protagonist school teacher who awakens after a long coma to find out he has clairvoyant powers. Some consistently cool, winter-y visuals, Walken's pretty good as is Martin Sheen in his ridiculous role as the corrupt politician.
Overall I was somewhat disappointed, as the story felt very episodic and disjointed, mb also cause I expected something more graphic from Cronenberg whereas this is just a thriller with some fairly light supernatural elements.
Also feels like Walken appropriated some of De Niro's mannerisms here, such as the Duchenne smile, doesn't seem too unlikely after they shot The Deer Hunter together in 1981, but mb that's just me starting to see weird things :D

The Neon Demon (2016)
Might be the weakest one from Refn along with Only God Forgives - both stories are just slightly too minimalist for me, but I still enjoyed it. Guess I'm a sucker for these hypnotic scenes drenched in neon & droning synths.
No. 56060
Funny, I watched Dead Zone not too long ago and mostly agree with your assessment. I think it was because it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way, but they probably didn't want to make a one hour movie.
What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
I mean he still died a "hero's death", so to say, but it's not like he got any accolades for it
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A Woman Under the Influence (1974)
Most popular and acclaimed drama about an erratically behaving mother and her working class family by John Cassavetes (who is often credited as a pioneer of independent filmmaking in America). It's filmed in a very raw naturalist style, and the performances of both Peter Falk and especially Gena Rowlands are really outstanding, but also made me quite uncomfortable and I had to pause a lot to get through it. Definitely not a fun movie, but at least it ends on a surprisingly upbeat note.

Woman in the Dunes (1964)
Based on the novel and adapted for screenplay by Japanese writer Kobo Abe, the story's about an insect collector who ends up trapped in a house with a woman in a remote sand village and after his initial indignation comees to accept his situation. The existentialist themes might feel a bit too on-the-nose, but the film shines though a great mix of regular and more experimental filming techniques. Gotta say compared to the novel it veers more heavily towards the eroticism compared to its Kafkaesque aspects, maybe just by the sheer choice of medium.
Would definitely recommend this one for watching during the summer, almost makes you feel good about the heat since at least you're not also covered in sand (must've been hell filming it)

>it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way
According to wiki there had been quite a few different versions of the screenplay (the ones by King himself and Andrezej Zulawski being scrapped), and the one that was used was revised a lot by different people, mb it was a case of "zu viele Köche verderben den Brei" :D

>What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
Oh yeah, that was a nice surprise, though the thing with the baby was quite ridiculous (in a good way) :D
No. 56068
Got those recs for ya.

Ötödik Pecsét/The Fifth Seal
Hideg Napok/Cold Days
Isten hozta, őrnagy úr!/The Toth Family

I also remembered there's a very good WW2 comedy from the 60s by the title "A tizedes meg a többiek" or "The Corporal and the Others".
Don't know how many of these actually have subs available though.
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You could also try this one too if you liked Jankocs's animation. It's visuals are inspired by Yellow Submarine and it adapts another literary classic.

And this one just came to mind since I recently read the source material which it was adapted from.
The visuals are less impressive but it's well made and tells the story of a peasant boy taking symbolic revenge on his lord for being an unjust greedy retard.