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Showgirls (1995)
Very unhinged & all over the place, still quite enjoyable, interesting ending. Somewhere between Spring Breakers & Mulholland Drive, whatever that means.

My Friend Ivan Lapshin (1985)
Great little movie by Aleksei German centered around the eponymous character of a police investigator, but almost as much about the people around him. It covers various issues (some rather serious, e.g. organized crime & suicide) during the 1930s in Russia in an oddly wholesome & I suppose nostalgic way. There's something of an anti-plot, any time something happens that could lead to change, it is reverted, and not that much has changed in the end.
It also showcases his penchant for messy scenes involving many actors, often talking at the same time and the drifting POV camera that tends to highlight minor characters, later to be perfected in his posthumously released magnum opus Hard to Be a God (2013).

>Chapayev (1934)
Noice, been meaning to watch it since I read Pelevin's Chapayev & Void (though his Chapayev is very different from the folk hero)

Also there's tons of terrible Chapayev joges, through which he is mostly remembered afaik.
- Grandfather, did you know Chapayev?
- Of course.
- Really, did you fight with him?
- No, I've seen the movie.

>If you like Zhang I super recommend "Keep cool". It's absolutely different but it rules.
Thx, looks "cool" :D
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Not super spectacular it has its ups and downs but only according to my POV. A nice film overall.

Thx because Showgirls had a lot of bad press here. Never paid too much attention because of the subject, but if it have had better reviews I would have watched it, because I dug Verheoven [sic]
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The third Adventure Time Distant Lands episode dropped yesterday. All three episodes have been fun so far imo, so in case some of y'all enjoyed AT but missed the whole Distant Lands thing check it out.
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Watch it, I feel I was a little too harsh. It's fun and on youtube.
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Fassbinder's take on the whole cybernetisation/simulation theory theme. It must've been quite ahead of its time 50 years ago, but the plot feels very played out and predictable nowadays. It was filmed for TV and it shows in the stiff acting (though that rather fits with the story) and very noticeable dubbing.
What redeems it is Fassbinder's imaginative cinematography with the stylized blocking and heavy use of mirrors for framing (to a rather ridiculous degree tbh - it's anything but subtle), also heavy use of background music and interesting set designs.
There's also a nod to Godard's Alphaville by starring its main actor Eddie Constantine in a cameo role.
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Howl's Moving Castle (2004)
Really loved the beginning but was somewhat let down by the story which felt like it lacked some real climax. Also weird to have a grandma as the main character - but gotta respect Miyazaki for changing things up. Still really enjoyed it due to the interesting characters, light-hearted comedy elements and ofc the stunning visuals.

Cutter's Way (1981)
Great neo-noir about a fading gigolo (Jeff Bridges) and his crippled Vietnam veteran friend Cutter trying to blackmail an oil mogul whom they think killed a young hooker. There is a whole layer of romance drama as there's a love triangle between the two and Cutter's depressed and alcoholic wife. Loved these three main characters, especially John Heard's performance as the witty & increasingly deranged Cutter is great. The open ending feels somewhat unsatisfying but I think it's fitting considering the emotional climax that precedes it.

>Showgirls had a lot of bad press here
Yeah, I also read that it wasn't marketed correctly so people had some wrong expectations - might also explain the weirdly broad rating curve.
I think it's very Verhoeven - entertaining and indulgent on the surface but some deeper commentary at its core.
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I watched it like 3 weeks ago or so and I liked the visuals a lot. Though at parts it was like a German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
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So I did & quite liked it, thanks for the nudge.

At first it seemed rather ridiculous but through the comedic scenes it drew me to also enjoy the drama of the second half, which was pretty simple but well done. All things considered, it's not even as blatantly propagandastic as I expected it to be, though I suppose that's also why it was so successful.

>German science fiction version of a Bond movie.
Kinda, though the main actor basically has zero charisma & constantly looks uncomfortable... Or is that implied in German :D
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Yeah, I think the movie itself is redeemed by the comedic aspects. You begin liking the characters because they can be consistently funny. Even Chapayev reenacting battles with potatoes as he shouts his military theories is a good scene because it makes you like the characters. Still, even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well. The relationship between the commissar and the capable army commander are how the party wanted to portray itself during this benevolent and mutually respecting alliance. The commissar isn't there to ensure political loyalty of the army, but to help its yokel leader has much needed help. Made for a population that experienced the revolution, the movie manages to masterfully both admit to looting by the red army and pin it on these willful saboteurs that also go on to try and sabotage the revolution by telling troops to disband.

I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold though and Babochkin makes Chapayev somehow feel like a realistic character.
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Paris, Texas (1984)

Beautiful road movie, kinda simple but well composed visuals with lots of Texas desert landscapes, embellished with a moddy guitar soundtrack. Career-defining performance by Harry Dean Stanton & everyone else is great too. Manages to be sweet without being saccharine and dramatic without being overly sentimental.

City of God (2002)

Well watchable, but quite overrated. The gritty based on a real story™ story of violence at its core gets diluted by the gimmicky editing and constant smug voice-overs. Some nice visual stuff technically but it would be more at home in a Guy Ritchie or John Woo tier action movie.

>even in character development it's stumped by political tropes. Soviet state ideology seeps into the smallest things, even when it's done well.
You're right, maybe I gave it too much credit in that regard. But it also made me think about how much propaganda tier tropes are peddled in other movies where nobody really talks about it.

>I found the more absurd scenes of aristocratic cadets lockstepping into machinegun fire to be comedy gold
Oh yeah lol, reminded me of the similar scene in Barry Lyndon
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Robocop aged super well. Worth mentioning a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film". Mind blowing, that analysis. It's the years that make one appreciate more other aspects of the film.

Film in pic: Masterpiece. All glory to Hong Kong.
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60 Days In
A fun little romp through modern Americana where all of us are a hair's breadth away from making one mistake or another that lands you there. Of course some of us are playing with weighted dice. The interesting thing about it to me is the fact that a lot of Americans really do sincerely have this dehumanized view of not just inmates but anybody who has ever gone to jail despite the fact literally all of us know someone who has been to jail and most of us do or have done shit that easily could've gotten us in the slammer. It really reminds me of things like the Stanford Prison Experiment and Rat Park. Milgrim also to a lesser extent.

Also fun personal experiment, if I told you one of those people in pic related was a pedophile IRL, which would you guess?
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>which would you guess?
Third row down, the guy in the 3rd column from the left. Can't really say why, other than he looks really unhappy to be there.
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I figured he'd be most people's first guessif they're going more on a stereotypehe's actually just kind of a scared dweeb irl who wants to be a jailer for some reason in fairness they generally all look differing levels of unhappy but I'm pretty sure it's a pose during pre-production selection. Who would be your second guess if you had to pic two?

I'll also just straight up post torrent links because I know people are lazy. It's crazy they even got away with doing this shit for six seasons because you'd think the inmates would've eventually heard of the show and talked about it by later seasons and started getting suspicious about the "prison documentary"and you'd be perfectly right the inmates in two separate seasons accused the film crew of doing 60 Days In.

I'm really on the fence about this which is partly why I think it's great. On one hand it is really super exploitative and on top of that it's directly jamming those real inmates up with very real additional charges. On the other it's also getting lots of guards fired and directly exposing America to the horrendous problem of the system and need for criminal justice reform. I've had more intense contradictory feelings about this than I think I have anything in like a decade. It's also somehow perfectly emblematic of modern America: a bunch of regular people signing up with a Hollywood production company to go to a real jail for money and to "do missions" for the jail warden in tightening his ship. I'm not even sure how you could possibly make a show more modern America than that.
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I take the chick, second from the top right, looks like one of those teachers who got caught with a boy.
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King Lear (1970)

Faithful Russian adaptation of the Shakespeare classic with a score by Shostakovich. Good but nothing too imaginative.

Sunset Boulevard (1950)

Classic noir about a down on his luck writer who gets into a sugar mama relationship with an aged silent movie star who can't come to terms with the end of her career. It's interesting and quite influential (esp. as a "Hollywood movie as critique of Hollywood"), but the references to silent movies and the "Old Hollywood" were somewhat lost on me. Some cool scenes, but overall a bit disappointed considering the accolades it gets.

Down House (2001)

Absurd & surreal "adaptation" of Dostoyevsky's Idiot set in 90s Russia with its gangsters & eccentrics. The plot is quite threadbare, it's mostly just a collection of surreal sketches, made funny due to the consistently deadpan delivery from all characters.
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>Who would be your second guess
Top row, the man in the upper-right corner.

I've flipped past this series on TV and never knew the premise. So people will literally go to jail to be part of a reality show. Stephen King's Running Man is not far off. The book, not the movie. They're totally different, and only share the basic 'dangerous reality game-show' premise. In the book their are numerous games, and the contestants are poor people who have no other way to make money.
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Watched High Plains Drifter. It's a Western directed by Clint Eastwood that is heavily influenced by spaghetti Westerns he used to star in, although unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) it is not as epic as they were. The premise is fairly cliched and resembles a mix between High Noon and A Fistful of Dollars — townspeople ask a gunslinger for help fighting off criminals who are about to be released from prison and who hold a grudge against the town — but there is a dark twist, and in the last act the movie steers right into magical realism bordering on actual horror. The soundtrack is made to correspond the movie's mood as well: instead of pure Morricone kickassery which is to be expected of spaghetti-like Western, the music is more haunting and eerie. Overall, a very nice movie about revenge peppered with some dark humor and (probably) supernatural elements.

>Sunset Boulevard
The thing I liked the most about it is Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself. The last scene is a total 10/10.
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Well I think that the added fact is I think these guys make something like thirty grand for completing their contract and so yeah, it does sort of just go to show that absolute sickness inherently built in to the structure of society which we usually just spackled over with false patriotism before, like how becoming a .mil guy gets this retarded hero worship when the fact is it's a place to go for rural poor farmer's sons and kids trying to escape the gang violence of the streets and basically getting paid to be a merc enforcer for the establishment. I always look down on "thank you for your service" civilians a bit, like they're such retards they'd think to invite the guy out to look at his gun cabinet as some bonding moment like "we have so much in common bro I wish I joined the marines bro" when he's looking at his rack like man toys and the marine is just standing there like "uh yeah. They're tools. For killing." Actually I'd say the one really most honest thing to say about it is you're not fighting for "freedom" or your country, you're fighting for the guy beside you.

There's this one really hilarious scene with this old black guy claiming to be a marine...in a pod full of Bloods...with 3-4 different vets one of whom was not from the show and had some traumatic brain injury and PTSD'd to fuck and back and they had to get the white boys explaining how what that guy is doing is basically like falsely claiming to be in a gang and that's why the vets all wanted to G-check his ass for it. I think that show really does end up being partly unconsciously an incredibly prescient documentary and commnetary on America. I don't have any idea how FPSRussia didn't get his ass beat for being a snitch when he revealed his prison term was two months although I guess the inmates could've had someone look his videos up and his case to find out he's legit. He didn't have any paperwork either and I think not having my paperwork would scare the shit out of me.

I find it really interesting what you guys are seeing and I'm honestly really surprised by all this. She's a gay cop IRL. I'd expect y'all to key in on Jeff who is security and his dream job is CO for some reason much to the doubtintensifies of everyone that knows him IRL and who yeah I'd expect to get pegged as a chomo the minute he set foot but I honestly didn't get any chomo vibe off him.

I should really take pains in pointing out not one of them has been charged or IRL allegations afaik and so this is entirely my personal opinion, but my immediate instinct was chomo that I started thinking through the show was just this weird fruity guy, until I saw him again in a where are they now. If you don't want to keep guessing this is the spoiler and you'll now see why
Now you'll know why I'm convinced he has childporn on his drives somewhere. I think he's likely molested one of his young girl students. How in the FUCK that guy got his job is absolutely beyond me.

I find it interesting fact alarm bells went off to me the moment I saw him later rationalized away as "might just be a weird dude" which also made me realize the truism to always trust your first instinct about people is indeed true and your mind just rationalizes your gut instinct away later. I also realized looking at commnetary things about how people think and perceive each other and how among the many people that rightly picked him out as being off in a sinister way usually pegged him as a psychopath killer type because their brains aren't trained to recognize things imo kinda like how NTs assume "schizophrenia" along with stereotyping non-clinical signs for any shit they don't understand about mental illness. I am utterly convinced Robert is a child molester. That towel is the smartest thing he ever did in his life because he ever told anyone what he did for a living he'd not leave jail alive.
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It also struck me what flamboyant social camouflage pedos are willing to use, which come to think of it Gacy did something similar. Adult serial killers all seem to be lowkey and keep a low profile appearing as normal as possible. I'd have assumed chomos do the same thing but I'm learning they probably use flamboyant social colors to get close to kids and publicly excuse their own weirdnesses, and shockingly it seems to work on a lot of people. I am obviously someone who'd have a deep interest in law enforcement if I could be a predator against chomos than do stupid shit like drug laws and copywrite enforcement

Sorry for prattling on it's just become a really interesting show to me from so many angles. It's also really amusing just how many law enforcement professionals either bitched out immediately or quit working LEO altogether after what they'd seen. There are also some SHOCKINGLY unrealistic and naive people that somefucking how managed to get past the screening process and get into that show, one of whom got called out for torpedoing an entire season in spite of allegedly being "street smart" and another dumbass who basically was a cop that became full on inmate and torpedoed another season. It really makes me wonder how they put this show together and all the material they just didn't use because you know they're making like 50 times as much footage than what is shown.

It's also I think really interesting that to this day when psych majors think about doing a Stanford Prison Experiment it's called unethical, but meanwhile when done for money as a reality show is given a pass while being perhaps the most wildly professionally unethical thing I've ever seen outside intelligence community antics and is otherwise a wonderful psych opportunity but clearly the problem is the structure wants to reassert itself, when the show is revealing point blank how the system accomplishes the opposite of anything good. It corrupts the guards, it corrupts the courts, it corrupts the inmates and innocent people, and at the end of the day it seems directly exposing not only innocents but cops and COs themselves to it totally busts their belief in the system.

I've never seen more solid proof that incarceration is a cruel and unusual punishmnet that accomplishes fuckall but turning people who have a few fixable problems into utterly dangerous people loose on society. There are two places I usually never wish on anybody: hell and prison. Except for chomos and terrorists. But even that is super cruel and morally cowardly because society hasn't got the balls to take moral accountability for itself and instead hands out these two year prison sentences for raping 4 year olds and expects some poor guy who maybe is doing 5-10 and could still make something of himself turning to a lifer without parole for taking care of what we all want to do and have happen and doing it behind closed doors. It makes me think of the Joker scene from that Batman movie, where these cowardly pricks want to detonate the other boat but no one wants to pull the trigger. I think we need to agree as a society to rewrite the laws and make possession non-criminal while imposing the death penalty on pedos and leave the inmates out of it.

I think the prison industrial complex needs privatization flatly banned and it's having a way worse ripple effect on society than people imagine, that we should work harder to reintegrate people who made mistakes, and that we should strive for maximum FREEDOM as possible and that the entire modern American police state is as anti-American as possible and that everything about what we are doing is wrong and as a result it's turned possibly a majority of Americans against law enforcement which in turn makes it harder for them to protect us from actual bad guys while making them into even more of a corrupt lawless gang with badges. It's also super obvious to me now it's an entire system and not just one piece of pipeline that's within that system fucking us up. I keep thinking about the public schools and the way it's run as a penal system all the moreso after Columbine, and how that small problem like a kid in foster care ends up being a literal product of the system later with a life sentence.

Oh and one last thing, is this one black girl I found interesting how it's almost like she's a sociopath that adopted absolutely the worst fucking aspects of huwhite culture. If you see the show you'll know immediately. Got herself the whitest looking boyfriend as possible and moved to the 'burbs away from her inner city jailbird family and acted like a complete backstabbing sociopath which itself became an interesting race commentary to me because it was like seeing how a black person thinks white people are and what being middleclass white is outside looking in, and it just feels awful knowing she's unwittingly making a strong point on how shitty and untrustworthy we are sometimes.
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The private sphere probably has far more lax ethical constraints. Academia is very heavy on them. That'd be the disparity if I had to guess.

That said, I dunno if the show is really eye opening. The show isn't showing anything that's not already known about prisons, and at this point, you've got to want to be a prison apologist to not think the system is broken. Seems more like the usual misery porn that you get on TV.
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"Per Aspera Ad Astra" or "Bald lady stares at camera for 2 hours". Typical for Soviet sci-fi setting: Earthlings living in advanced communist society deal with backward aliens.
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It may appear from my post that I didn't like the film (because I mocked it and then called it typical), but it's cool.
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That's like saying any documentary on ISIS, the Taliban, or smoking crystal meth isn't eye opening. It's like the difference between saying yeah it's bad and knowing why is it bad. What you stated is the Dunning Kruger effect tier because we all can say and know something is bad but your mind fills in all these blanks it doesn't even know it has about the actual reality.

Also since inmates all practice their own omerta there's a lot left out, or they don't like talking about it like some dude back from a war. One tiny example is buck 90s. Some woman on YT was talking about jilted lesbians heating mayo in the microwave til it was scalding oil and melting a woman's face off with it, and Jay Williams confirmed the same was done with coffee and baby oil. There's a ton of stuff I did not know or think about before and the full effect it really does have on a person even after short times, and even then I get the overwhelming sense of how much is left out. The hospital/detox/institutional practices are human rights violations. Just starving these inmates alone and constantly fucking with their sleep is quite literally military intelligence tactics of interrogation. They're not even interrogating anybody. It made me lose almost all respect for vets becoming COs and whether the problem isn't even the civvies power tripping, but soldiers themselves coming back treating us like Iraqis which in turn makes me question the magnitude of what they did over there. The prisons themselves are often run by uneducated retards or vets. One old school friend I knew as a druggie and delinquent became a CO so it makes me wonder what he did.

To me it is eye opening and I live here. On top of the random psychological abuse which again most people aren't going to key in on why it's so sinister because they won't see the interrogation tactic or dehumanization and on top of that no wonder they're willing to shank a dude over some Fritos. It's been having a change on me and I now have the conviction I should never call the cops on anyone that's not a terrorist including incel shooters or a sex offender, which already I was loathe to do.

I could go on about this all day but it makes me double back on a lot of personal stuff. Like just the way cops treated me when I tried returning a lost wallet. The way calling the cops for help may get you shot and in my personal experience they're more likely to be the reasonable ones. It's also illuminating how much these fatass jail guards crumple like tissue paper.

I dunno. Maybe this is a national component too neither of us realize as much. Aussies I'm sure are pricks too but I feel like I'm talking about a special circumstance and angle as an American with my country's own system because I actually see familiarity in my homeland.
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You know an interesting observation I just realized is my unwillingness to go to hospitals for any reasom but imminent death or severe health problems is predicated on the fact they remind me of schools and prisons and I don't expect a single person be they a cop a teacher or a doctor or therapist to actually help me but instead try to control me and strip me of my money and freedoms. Like that is literally the reason I avoid doctors and often veer into treating them like a CO or something and approach each with the trepidation of trust being violated. I'd never consciously thought about it before. I'd never go to a therapist with a mental health crisis for similar reasons even though some people said they liked theirs, many said they're useless, one guy in particular I know who just wanted help with his depression got locked in literally jail like unit with a 72 hour mental health hold. My one parent said a similar thing but was smart enough when they was in college to snap to their circumstance and begin lying and manipulating them which is just as well because I suspect that hospital was an MK site in her day. Parent realized at that moment honest communication was impossible and this has been my routine experience. I effectively manipulated doctors into giving me medication for my hypertension.

So there's that. It's just a weird thing to realize. Trying to get any kind of professional help be it medical, police, mental whatever only stupid and naive people do or utterly desperate ones with no other options. It's not all bad but even a hospital feels like jail.
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Thing is, that it's really not hard to find that shit out without doing dodgy borderline entrapment shit like that show does at times.

The details of human rights violations at our prisons and concentration camps are well known here, unless you are actively burying your head in the sand because it's not even hidden. I mean, if you needed an A&E show to tell you that COs are sadistic cunts, and that prisons engage in psychological torture, then you weren't engaging with the information that was out there to begin with.

And before you go 'well that's Australia' consider that they do our offshore detention in foreign countries to make sure that they can hide what's going on there as best they can, up to smuggling prisoner accounts out on a smartphone. The problems in the American prison system are far more open to discovery.
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What I mean by not hidden is that it's on mainstream news even. Not that the government doesn't try and hide it. Just to clarify some bad wording there.
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This is true and the moment I discovered straya had an offshore KZ I immediately suspected torture and murders was happening there, probably mass rape of women also. It's a strange thing because it seems like Australia as a whole isn't shit to me but like you have this compartmentalized deep state or something alongside your absolutely shite politics.

As to what else you said it's more about connecting all the disparate pieces in my mind and finally actually seeing both the little granular details as well as broader whole. I've been in trouble in school before so I can even see that system existing within a compulsory system which utterly scares me thinking how much worse it changed since I finally got out but do know metal turnstyles, armed cops wandering halls, catching real charges for stupid shit we used to just get detention/in school suspension for doing has become the norm. No wonder then that all these zoomers begun acting like complete fucking faggots. Why wouldn't they embrace extremist politics when literally their whole lives they got institutionalized and never saw freedom? Of course they'd turn fascist because it's ultimately not much different at this point.

Oh and as for overseas things, we all know some of those blacksites basically just had CIA/others overseeing a national doing the torture because then CIA doesn't need to answer for it because technically it wasn't them directly doing it.
I can't find it right now but that guy was talking about how they'd do things like tie nylon rope around a detainees dick after feeding him lots of water and lot his dick rot off and bladder burst. Keep in mind, they were doing this to suspects, not actual people who frankly objectively speaking were fighting foreign invaders
Ah fuck I can't find it now but I read one article by a female Iraqi journalist who got abducted to one of those sites, and knew the guy with Monstro tattooed on his fat gut. Lemme try other keys ah shit I can't find her article but this only gives a surface scratch
See the thing is--and now this is what I am wondering--a lot of these guys came back and became cops or somehow involved in law enforcement so at the same time I wondering not just about MRAPS and automatic weapons etc surplus donated to police departments but also what these guys bring with them to law enforcement, psrticularly towards brown people.

I honestly was most horrified by ISIS at first because of those orange jumpsuits and ai recognized most Americans would be way too retarded and ignorant to understand a message loud and clear to me: you did this to us. This is what you did to us. Now we will abduct you and torture you and murder you the same you did it to us. It's obvious a shitload of ISIS fighters learned some of it directly from their experiences with what we were doing over there. I'd still have ended up fighting ISIS if we went to war obviously but it's really showing me all the overall pieces of the system and that it is actual policy and we are effectively dealt with as a captive labour force and pseudo inmates, and that sooner or later the insitutionalization is going to become so total, the corruption and rot so deep, that a massive civil war and brutal crackdowns will become inevitable. When you make everybody a convict nobody is a convict, just people, and all that's left is the guards and now they're The Enemy. What else can you see them as when they directly look at and treat you as the enemy?
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This Vice story is the kind of shit I'm talking about and now I'm really curious to what extent this even happens on other countries
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We also had Abu Ghraib tier shit going on within the country, and we do it on kids. We have a weirdly good image for an absolute turd of a country.

'Perks' of being rich and wectoid.

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Sad and comedic. Nice format, nice Jack Black. Good film.
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It's really sad that I read that and automatically assume someone must be making money or having an agenda on letting that article get published in corporate media at all. Are these state run facilities? Is this all just so they can have for profit juvenile gitmos? I think it's saying something terrible that we're all so jaded and cynical now the very act of doing your job in journalism is disbelieved as done sincerely.
We also had this
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Nah, that's the Territorial government. If my understanding is correct (and I'm pretty sure it is), this is similar to how it works in the US, where you have a local government which is totally subordinate to the Federal one, unlike States which have their own mandates.
So nah, can't even blame for-profit prisons in this case. Just this country being fuggen evil for the thrill of it. Also, Four Corners is pretty good investigative journalism. They go after some real soft spots. IIRC it was them digging into the story on our War Crimes being buried that got the ABC raided by the feds that time on the basis of 'national security' lmao.
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Close-Up (1990)
Part documentary footage of a trial, part reenactment by the parties involved of a real incident where a poor cinephile impersonated a famous Iranian director and solicited favors from a family by pretending to be interested in casting them for a movie. And, ironically, they actually all end up starring in a film.
Maybe, it's not entirely fair, but I'd say it's one of those movies that are supposed to really make you think™, so if you don't enjoy that, you won't get much out of it. There's a decent video essay covering some of the angles to approach it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIdjAKZUnw

Otaku no Video (1991)
Part self-aggrandizement, part self-critique of otaku culture by Studio Gainax (of i.e. Neon Genesis Evangelion fame). The main narrative is a trope-y anime set in the 80s about a regular university student who gives up on his social life and becomes an otaku, gets dumped by his girlfriend because of it and ends up creating an anime studio with his otaku friends called Giant X (=Gainax).
This story is interrupted by staged interviews with different otaku types that portray some darker aspects of the otaku lifestyle in a mockumentary fashion. Also in the vein of critique, as the timeline in the anime narrative progresses, there appear title cards with headlines from important world events at that time, to which the anime characters/otaku are of course painfully oblivious.

>a review titled something like "Robocop is a perfectly symmetrical film"
Noice, checked it out. Funnily enough, the first and last scenes of Showgirls are also symmetrical, not so sure about the rest of the movie though.

>Gloria Swanson's performance, made doubly awesome by the fact that she actually was a silent movie star herself
Oh yeah, I think getting this reference makes it more interesting, I only read about it after watching. Also Cecil DeMille is playing himself as the director and the butler (Von Stroheim) also used to be a director, and there's even more cameos by industry people from that era IIRC.

>The last scene is a total 10/10.
For sure, without that scene the movie wouldn't have been half as good. It works so well since it comes as a surprise after the "ending" is already spoiled at the beginning of the movie, but I feel like this trick takes some suspense out of the rest of the movie.
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Woh, actually I grabbed this film because is produced by Roger Corman. Coppola as a director? I don't care, lol. Too much uninteresting films I have seen from him. Corman is the real deal. That low budget permeates into everything and makes the films have an inner life.

American, listen to me: Roger Corman is one of the best artists from your country, he needs squares, libraries, streets, aircraft carriers named after him.

>pics 3 and 4
It seems they managed to do it, no?
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neat. The only Soviet sci/fi film I have watched is Solaris, and now I thought... "I think they never talk about politics in that film". I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
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Somewhat silly and chaotic but I liked it. I felt insulted zero times. And spectacular. Curious because the flaming skull ended up having personality, like in "uh? The skull ended up being more convincing than Cage? uh?". Nevermind, I like Cage. DVD status? Keeping it for now because it has commentaries and I like commentaries
No. 55206
Ghost Rider 1 is one of the two films I know I have seen, but have zero recollection of (the other being the third or fourth Resident Evil where they are in the desert).
That said, the second one was very silly, but in a good way, and very entertaining.
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The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973)

Masterpiece of surreal cinema by Polish director Wojciech Has. A man visits a sanatorium to see his dead father and ends up caught in a sequence of surreal landscapes involving several reoccurring characters including his father. The camera always hovering around the main character and fish-eye lenses are used to great effect.
Ending reminded me a lot of Bloodborne, in fact there's more visual and thematic parallels to the point I'm almost certain it was an inspiration for the game. Also likely the blueprint for e.g. the near-death dream episodes in The Sopranos etc.

The Color of Pomegranates (1969)

Purportedly about the life of Armenian poet Sayat-Nova, the film consists of a series of highly surreal and symbolic tableaus, always filmed against a perpendicular background, with reoccurring characters, colors, etc. in different contexts, evoking a sense of rhythm and poetry. It's quite meditative with its use of music and poetry recitations, I ended up dozing off a lot and dreaming my own little dreams, only to wake up to more and more striking and puzzling imagery. One of the strangest and most unique viewing experiences I had.

>It seems they managed to do it, no?
I suppose so, haha. In the end of the film the world is unexplainably flooded and the otaku are the only ones left.
No. 55228
> I mean it could be in conversations like "get into the fucking robot, comrade Shijkov, it has been decided by the comitee".
Was it like this in the book (which Solaris is based on)? Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes (like literally "evil capitalists are selling air").
Plus according to Marxist ideology future of society inevitably will be a communist utopia, and it's quite a boring setting (no conflicts, no wars, people just live in peace and happiness). However there is a series of books where it is described in details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe
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no, no, I figure I explained myself incorrectly, in the movie there are zero politics. I haven't read the book but I have read many Lem books and it's the same, zero politics.

>Anyway, politics was a volatile theme in USSR, and creators preferred not to touch it apart from standard tropes

Ah now I recall this:


Apparently in the beginning they would not have even a Russian translator and guessed/invented all the dialog. I know something similar was made here in the 60s, but regarding American comics.

A film without pretensions is always a safe bet.

Pic: a film I wanna watch
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Hm, interesting, similar tropes are found in Scifi from that period here in the west. Pic: the guys in the right, they have achieved utopia. Problem they are too good people and then the guys from the left come!

Artist a Catalan treasure, Alfons Font.
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>Wanderers concept
Reminds me of 2001 and Erik Von Daniken output, being the later recycled in DDR schools.
"Who made us?" "Aliens! God is too passé and bourgeois!"


I figure it's more complicated to communicate with aliens than to communicate with God. At least no one has said the aliens made moral laws and that the Party is doing wrong in not following them.

BTW Von Daniken complained.

Sorry if I can sound condescending, we have shit here too, different shit but more or less is the same: power.

Pic: I wanna watch this film too
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Yeah we had a whole lot of that in Western scifi. Wasn't Boskone pretty much just supposed to be the evil commies against the noble Arisians? Of course I always also heard it as basically just trying to fictionalize saying "Aryans" but then again we got tons of unrepentant Nazis through Paperclip. I wonder if the Russian version of Operation Paperclip filled them with any lowkey Nazism also.
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In a Lonely Place (1950)

Humphrey Bogart as a washed up Hollywood writer, Gloria Grahame as femme fatale, could I make it any more obvious?
Great melodrama-heavy noir. Really enjoyed the scenes when the Bogart character inserts some lines from the screenplay he's writing in the film, kinda meta without being obnoxious.

Diamonds & Ashes (1958)

Set after WW2 in Poland, a young resistance fighter is ordered to assassinate a Communist party official but gets second thoughts after he falls in love with a waitress.
Hard to believe it's that old, feels really modern, if not for b/w could've easily been made in the 70s or so. Really great cinematography, kinda reminds me of Scorsese, quite dynamic, light touches of symbolism.
Zbigniew Cybulski easily rivals the coolness of the likes of James Dean or Marcello Mastroianni.
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Basic Instinct (1992)

The one with the infamous leg crossing scene. Super fast-paced noir with a superb ever-present suspenseful score. Pure thrill & entertainment, I'm really starting to like Verhoeven.

Color out of Space (2010)

Some interesting stuff visually with the CG, less so with the very static camera work & too much cutting. But the main issue is that it fails to build up any suspense and is really boring for the most part. Mediocre acting & dialogue don't help. A valiant effort for a very low budget movie, but wouldn't recommend unless mb you're a hardcore Lovecraft fan.
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Ben-Hur (1959)

The most expensive movie production at time of its release and it shows in some of the audio-visual splendor, from the huge sets filled with hundreds of extras to the epic score. However the story is tremendously boring and the characters extremely one dimensional which is even more frustrating due to the length of almost 4 hrs. The tie-in with the Jesus story feels barely impactful and the ending is kinda silly deus ex machina. Only redeeming scenes are the galleys leading to the whole adoption arc (about the only hint at character development) and ofc the famous chariot race.

The Village (2004)

Really liked this, kinda surprised it apparently got panned by critics when it came out. Great cast, awesome camera work (Roger Deakins btw!) & visual style, found it thrilling throughout (I suppose it helps I avoided spoilers, ofc you can guess at the twist but I don't think that even ruins the experience much). I suppose it feels a bit short and the ending could've been a bit more ambiguous. But the setting is really deep enough that one could've made a whole mini-series set in it. Also I'm always down when a movie appreciates how creepy bare trees look.
No. 55359
The Village is one of those movies I probably will never watch again in a long time because of the ending. Not saying it is bad but it is sort of final.
No. 55360
A TV series could work as a prequel.
Watched it at the movies when it came out. I remember it as a good movie, and the ending makes a good twist. I dunno, does anything allude to the ending? Or is there a similar story structure that has been there like that? Because I was surprised back then (I was 12 though).
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Red Post on Escher Street (2020)
Recent Sion Sono film about a director holding an audition for his new movie and delving into the partly intertwining backstories of all the applicants. It developed out of an acting workshop and was shot in 8 days so it's rather sloppy, but still fun, a lesser director couldn't have pulled it off. Interesting concept to have the extras become the main actors.

Watched this through a Japanese film festival, pay-per-view but I still wanna plug it real quick: https://watch.nipponconnection.com/
Though iirc most movies can't be viewed outside of Germany.

>does anything allude to the ending
There's a scene quite early when Lucien is talking to his mother alluding that the grown-ups are hiding something (and there's literally a black box which his mother won't open for him :D). There's a bit more subtle stuff about how the grown-ups behave too, but the main giveaway nowadays is probably when you know it's a M. Night Shyamalan movie, you kinda have to expect a twist.
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Triumph of the Will (1934)
Plethora of bird's view shots of huge parades of different NSDAP cadres and highlights from speeches by Nazi officials held together with some Kitsch close-ups of children laughing. Gotta admit the scale and grandeur of all those gatherings still manages to amaze.
Probably necessary to read some more commentary on it to get the most out of it even though the subs provided some context, I almost dozed off since it was so repetitive.

Elle (2016)
Expected something along the lines of an erotic thriller like Basic Instinct, as it also opens in the middle of a brutal sex act, but this ended up being much weirder. Many similarities to Haneke's Piano Teacher, except of course Verhoeven's more kinetic and complex style. There's many side characters who are fucked up in their own right, but it never really stops being The Isabelle Huppert Show.
Probably one of the more astute commentaries on the stunted (sexual) development of "gamers", among other things.
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It has been a while since I saw it but I sort of had the feeling that there would be some kind of twist and just hoped it wouldn't be a bad one. When it came I was a bit disappointed at the explanation like why there are no planes flying over it.

I'm not a fan of prequels. You already know how things are going to end so why bother? Not that there are acceptable or even good ones but the concept is not interesting as a start. Maybe because I associate it with milking a franchise for all that it got. I like the idea of spinoffs though. Continue telling stories in a universe, but then again they usually fail to be interesting because greedy diary farmers.
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Seen a couple of clips from these over the years, but decided to watch the whole thing and had an absolute blast. Zizek's commentary is idiosyncratic and somewhat irreverent, at times genuinely insightful, at others hilariously overwrought. The idea to put him on reproduced sets from the movies he's talking about is absolute genius.
Kinda glad I waited with watching this until I had seen or was at least acquainted with a good chunk of the films mentioned, otherwise I can imagine being somewhat overwhelmed since he does rattle on throughout most of the runtime.
I would particularly recommend the Guide to Ideology since it's lighter on the psychoanalytic lingo and thus easier to follow & his interpretations less tenuous.

I'm pretty sure that scene was Shyamalan actually commenting on/poking fun at people who look for far-fetched "plot holes" like this :D
Consider the guard who mentions it is actually a cameo by Shyamalan himself. It also puts the other stuff he says "do not get into conversations"/"it was a very stressful time for me" in a different light - as him being resigned about trying to argue with people who overscrutinize his movies to point out plot holes that aren't really relevant for the story. There would be little reason to mention the whole thing about the planes otherwise.
No. 55444
I remember I tried watching it, only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Might give it another shot soon.
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>only to drop it once he began saying that Jaws represented American fear of bolshevism.
Okay, now I have to see it. I'm laughing irl.

I have no interest in this movie but at least have to see a few scenes because there is nothing more attractive than a woman holding a weapon.
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Dear god why I cannot find a woman like that outside of France
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Unbreakable (2000)
Another Shyamalan, this time a superhero movie deconstruction of sorts, starring Bruce Willis and Samuel L Jackson. Nice cinematography, but kinda boring for the most part to the point that towards the end that I forgot it's a Shyamalan movie so the twist really surprised me, despite there's literally a scene early on when a character says "They say this one has a surprise ending" :DDD (though referring to a comic book)

Viy (1967)
Based on a novella by Gogol, this is often lauded as one of the few if not almost the only Soviet horror movie.
It drags on a bit until all hell breaks loose in the last 10 minutes with some quite amazing props and costumes. The camera work and music are used to great effect to create a spooky atmosphere, so it's really a shame there weren't more Soviet horror produced.
Also quite funny at times but I'm not sure how well that translates.

Haha, IIRC he entertains it as one possible interpretation among others, but then goes on to say that the shark is rather a placeholder for all sorts of different fears... and then goes on to compare it with the Nazis's similar usage of the Jew as scapegoat. Admittedly not a mind-blowing insight put that way but it's a nice segue.

She really is one of a kind tbh :D
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Maybe but I didn't think of it during the hole movie until it was pointed out and then it was just annoying from what I can remember. If what you say is true it is almost like a perverse version of the movies that assumes I'm twelve and cannot handle subtle and ambiguous. I didn't think of it and now here is an explanation for a problem I didn't see or needed and it made the experience worse.
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Deep End (1970)
Psychosexual coming-of-age drama with some colorful giallo aesthetics and eccentric British humour. Not really my cuppa tea, but at least quite original. Hip soundtrack by Can and Cat Stevens.

Beauty and the Beast (1946)
Adaptation of the classic fairytale by French artist Jean Cocteau. Wonderful set designs (esp. the surreal living furniture) and costumes, ofc especially that of the Beast. Some cool usage of slow and reverse motion and similar tricks that work here as genuinely magical rather than just cheap. It drags a bit whenever the Beast isn't on screen, despite the tense soundtrack.

Snake Eyes (1998)
Sleek thriller by De Palma starring Nic Cage as an eccentric corrupt cop. Amazing long opening sequence that is then shown from different perspectives throughout the film as new information is uncovered. Reminded me a lot of Metal Gear Solid with the betrayal, conspiracy and military-industrial themes.

A Page of Madness (1926)
Japanese silent horror film, (purportedly) about a man who tries to rescue his wife from a madhouse, however it's so surreal that the plot is hard to follow. Apparently back in the day they had benshi who would narrate the plot during the screening, but the version I watched was just accompanied by music, which was admittedly really great.

Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from
No. 55566
>A Page of Madness
Sounds interesting, thanks for the recommendation.

Here if anybody else is interested:
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A Man Escaped (1956)
Minimalist thriller about a French resistance fighter escaping from a Nazi prison. As methodical and repetitive cinematographically as the protagonist's planning and execution of the escape, yet surprisingly tense.

The Third Man (1949)
Classic noir set in post-war Vienna for a change, some really great locations and architecture to see, interior as well as exterior. Some interesting technical idiosyncrasies like the usage of lots of slanted angles, shadow-play and the soundtrack being solely played on a zither set a quite unique mood.
A nice touch is that the protagonist is a writer of Westerns, which are basically the inverse of the noir genre, so he is appropriately hapless in his investigations.

You're welcome. The version you posted has some really mind-melding music though :D
I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTc-CE8NWPw
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>Not really my cuppa tea
I thought it was brilliant, the whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
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>whole atmosphere of the thing and the colors.
I liked that too, don't get me wrong, I guess my issue is just that the story didn't really engage me enough. It meanders quite a lot and e.g. the ending - while a cool scene by itself - just doesn't really hit you emotionally. Mb that's it, it's too "cool", too non-chalant for me, kinda reminds me in that way of Godard's Breathless that I also watched recently.
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Taxi Driver (1976)
The "You talkin to me?" monologue popped into my head for some reason so decided to read the shooting script by Paul Schrader only to find out that it's not there since De Niro improvised it. Still worth it, quite enjoyed comparing the small differences between script and end result, e.g. in the script Travis comes off as slightly more sordid due to the scenes in the porn theatre being more prominent, also I suppose due to De Niro's charisma being more palpable on screen.
What can I say, it's definitely up there with my all-time favorite movies. Watching it with decent sound quality this time around, I was particularly impressed by the score by Bernhard Hermann which really sets the mood and glues the movie together.
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>I would recommend this one with the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack (and it also has remastered visuals)

Thanks. The music surely makes a huge difference.
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An insane roller coaster of a movie. Directed by Michael Curtiz of Casablanca fame, it is based on the book of the same name by Joseph E. Davies - The American ambassador to the Soviet Union from November 1936 to June 1938. In 1941, he edited into a book form his collection of his papers from the State Department.
Davies was commissioned this movie by president Roosevelt and held complete control over its production. The movie is part allied propaganda effort, part Davies' own project. Understandably, a movie based on what are effectively memoirs would show its protagonist as a greater than life character, but Davies' takes it to the next level in presenting himself as a down to earth man who didn't share the russophobia of his English or French counterparts and rightly saw the necessity of the world standing together against fascism.

>The career diplomat Charles Bohlen, who served under Davies in Moscow, later wrote:[11]
>Ambassador Davies was not noted for an acute understanding of the Soviet system, and he had an unfortunate tendency to take what was presented at the trial as the honest and gospel truth. I still blush when I think of some of the telegrams he sent to the State Department about the trial.(p.51)

The movie itself is fantastic. The visuals are great. In cinematography, it's a masterpiece. It chronicles Davies' being personally selected for this very important mission, one in which the future of the free world depends on. Our unlikely ambassador who up until now was merely a lawyer finds himself handpicked by the president to go to Russia and report back everything he sees there. Upon entering Russia, he is received warmly. People are happy, he tours around factories - American industry and its role in serving as a model and teacher to Soviet Industry is praised. The country appears to be a technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life. In one of the most macabre and accidentally humorous foreshadowing scenes, an American born factory director tells our ambassador that there's some sabotage going down in the factories.

The ambassador and his family enjoy Moscow high society and the various diplomatic entourages are shown in social gatherings. The movie becomes something of an mystery movie, but this is all resolved in the trial of the twenty one in which right deviationists categorically admit to working with the fascist powers to overthrow Stalin on Trotsky's orders, some dodge the questions but none are capable of actually lying and fall to the prosecutor's unwavering resolve. Stalin's peculiar view of the world around made manifest by a Warner Bros production. Mr Davies tells the British ambassador that "based on [his] 20 years of trial practice" the confessions of Yagoda, Radek, Tukhachevsky Bukharin were true confessions. The movie has Bukharin deliver his final address before being shot, stoically explaining why the opposition realizes they cannot defeat Stalin and that ultimately they are above everything ashamed to have committed such treasonous acts.

The movie reaches a great peak when Davies' finally meets Stalin as he's about to leave - but the dictator invites him to the Little Corner where Davies, extremely honored to meet him, tells him "I believe, sir, that history will record you as a great builder for the benefit of mankind.". Stalin then explains to the attentive Davies the inside scoop on the Hitler-Trotsky connection. Davies ends up running around Europe in the purpose of creating an anti-fascist bloc but meets varied types of resistance, from the British that "want to build up Germany" to the French who are too russophobic to see the truth. Churchill receives him at his home, and is extremely interested to hear what dipshit Davies has to say about the USSR.

In this self-serving production Davis is repeatedly proven right again, but the world doesn't listen. As American braces to enter the world war, he goes on an anti-isolationist tour around the country on the President's request - beating back hecklers who don't understand that the USSR is a force for peace.

The movie ends in an extremely well made montage of the great American Christian nation rising up to fight arm in arm with the other nations of free world against fascist tyranny. The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge. For bonus points, it also justifies the Soviet invasion of Finland. Still, with all the military might scenes and a style that at times feels very experimental - you can almost feel the socialism.

No. 55632
This era is very weird in terms of American pro-Soviet propaganda. I think a lot of them got re-cut after the war even because Ameriga wasn't buddy buddy with Russia anymore :-DD

One of my favourite ones is 'The Battle of Russia', a 1943 propaganda 'documentary' that's over an hour long on the subject of the Soviet Union without once using the word 'Communism' :-DDD
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I'm sorry for the tangent but that one sentence particularly struck a chord with me, and how much we want something beautiful that is above the ultimate ugliness of realitywhich given that phrasing probably adds another layer of irony to what I'm about to say
>a theocentric technocratic revolutionary society, in which everyone seems to be above all else concerned with improving their fellow man's life and uncovering the sublime truths of God and the universe His creation
That's quite literally the perfect society to me. So then how come this world is such shit and it's always filled with so much ugliness when man is involved? Or is it that the world itself is such ugliness? How come we all seem to want something like this but nobody ever seems to achieve anything but the opposite?
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I feel like the 'just ignore it' approach is a more legitimate route. This one genuinely tried to make the Soviet Union appealing to the American populace. It felt like it cast a wide net in seeking support from the viewer, it had both jokes about the subservient nature of women and scenes lauding Soviet women entering the workforce. Seeing a young stakhanovitsa in the train's engineer cabin. Davies asks a commissar if women are allowed to ride the train there. "But meester Davies, she iz enzhineer!". Some scenes praised the Soviet Union's strength from a more "traditional" approach, with scenes showing showing the well-trained ski troops, strong tractor tanks and respectable Chekists who unwaveringly fight traitors. Stalinist industrialization itself is portrayed twofold, as simply a technocratic approach to organizing society for the greater good of the masses and as a revolutionary movement guided by Stalin to energize said masses who then are enthusiastic agents of this new society.

Apparently in the original script in which Trotsky meets Hitler:
>HITLER: We are not ready for this turn of affairs. You have completely bungled the work you were supposedly directing with judicious ability. That forces us to withdraw our hand completely for the minute. That means Russia will be able to buildup its army and augment its supplies of war materials. You are trying to force us to act in Russia before we are ready!
>TROTSKY: No, no, Herr Hitler. This is all an unfortunate accident. You know I am in perfect accord with your plans.[9]
Trotsky and Hitler don't even show up in the film, Hitler appearing only in footage from the Nuremberg Rallies and various public addresses. Trotsky doesn't appear, being only PROOF'd that he was the mastermind behind it all. Dog this movie would be so much better with this scene.

>Film producer Robert Bruker later claimed that he wanted some ambiguity in the trial scenes but Davies insisted that the accused be depicted as guilty traitors and Trotskyists.[7]
Davies is a strange character, I almost feel an urge to read the entirety of the book this movie was based on, I just checked excerpts and it seems like a window into the mind of one of the many foreign observers who were infused with socialist spirit. All I found seems to imply he wasn't being cynical. Retrospectively, one of the best scenes was the ambassador's wife talking to the commissar of jewelry and defeating the prejudice they had towards each other (Turns out the American woman is also a fierce go-getter, not some slavish wife to her powerful husband, - shocking the comissar lady. The stylish haute-couture commissar lady is not some potato faced kolkhoznitsa dressed in a garbage bag - shocking the ambassador's wife). The Moscow store they're in is well furbished, modern and sleek. Symbolic dialogue aside, this entire scene is presumably an very accurate example of the various enmities the Davies enjoyed during their stay in Moscow. Davies might not be actively hiding the conditions of 1936 as much as truthfully relaying what he and his family experienced and what he saw of the Soviet Union.

Power went out as I was finishing typing out this sperg essay, the cinephiles almost got away without me shitting up their thread but Chromium saw it through.

>That's quite literally the perfect society to me.
Working as intended. The religious elements you add to your post are akin to Davies' portrayal of America. Both are revolutionary technocratic nations (in contrast to more backward and reactionary European nations) committed to fighting to improve man's condition. Unlike the Soviet Union however, America is also a nation whose mission is holy, as shown by the use of religious imagery when America mobilizes to vanquish evil.
>Davies even claimed that communism was "protecting the Christian world of free men", and he urged all Christians "by the faith you have found at your mother's knee, in the name of the faith you have found in temples of worship" to embrace the Soviet Union.[12]
if all want good -- then why bad?? Do you really need an answer? :DDD
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Very interesting Chez 1958 movie based on Jules Vern works. It is not just a book adoption, but a very original and stylized work. Across the whole movie it using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings. More than that, the overall style and mood of the story and the narrative is a sort of soft parody on the naivety of XIX century adventure novels, but it never goes to the full comedy or something like that, it takes itself seriously and some moments are absurd only of you think about them more. If you into "tying madam to the rails before moving train", you may try it, this movie full of action of this sort and not boring at all.
No. 55656
>Working as intended.
What? But I didn't even see this movie or read that book or even know about Davies or who he was or any of this history you're talking about, a fact which probably speaks much deeper than I even realize. I live here and I'd never heard or these people or such propaganda efforts.
>even Davies
Lad something which you must understand is der ewige Amerikan. We are all pretty much like this deep down inside regardless the fact this was a man nearly a century ago or any party or affiliation.
obviously to answer your question in my implication, we are all united on being der ewige Amerikan, only we have bitter disagreement on how to get there or what that looks like. On some fundamental level basically just big enders and little enders from Gulliver's Travels, ready to kill our countrymen on moment notice over the details on accomplishing America's free and holy mission, probably with guns
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I mean its working as intended in that it elicits in you the mental image of le ideal society, not that you've been psy-op'd. Probably poor word usage on my part. Normal to not know some irrelevant US diplomacy stooge, even in Kotkin's Stalin he's just a footnote.

You seem to believe Davies was being facetious in his comments, but I don't think he was.
No. 55659
Gonna have to watch this. Love letters to something are often the best kind of satire.
No. 55660
Why I or he would be facetious? That's actually part of my point. Perhaps I vastly underestimate the criticality of the American need to believe also, as just a background noise to me, but no. What I was saying is that put another way, once a German or Brit 7 years ago said how he enjoyed and was amused by talking to us because at once we'd start trolling like some hivemind, but that "then I find out what you guys actually believe and it's always even crazier, which makes you full of surprises." I recognize we say lots of facetious, sarcastic, or trolly shit, and that for some reason it's often impossible for a foreigner to tell apparantly whether we are just fucking with them or meant every deadpan word that just came from our mouths.

As an armchair expert on Americans, I will tell you that he at once was probably saying certain things in certain ways with an agenda, but from what you describe it's clear to me he took everything at face value and meant a lot of that stupid shit he said because he probably like me unwittingly apparently saw and recognized something about the common man infused with the revolutionary spirit and wrong misidentified that what his own Americanisms and optimisms. A pretty shocking example of that to me would be him calling on Christians to embrace and defend USSR Socialism as some religious duty, given that religious people here will literally disown you faster for that than catching teh gay. But at the same time, based on what little you said I can also see why he wrongly believed the "Nazi camp swimming pools" DPRK tour tier lies he was being fed.

I will say it was also actually probably much easier for him to be doing that in Russia, because as I understand it Russia also had both a frontier mentality and then le patriots shot a bunch of royals which is always going to strike a chord within the American soul.

But tl;dr you can just read exactly what I wrote word for word about the theocentric technocratic revolutionary tree of liberdy notion which is effectively 80% of the murican soul. The remaining 20% is living in a cabin on some God's forgotten frontier and not being bothered by anybody as le rustic man.
>but how can you guys at once embrace Theodor Kaczynski as well as nearly worship le free internet and muh moon landings
Mysterious burger soul.

I absolutely guarantee you those Russians buttered the fuck out of this guy with le free rustic proleterians chopping wood on his stay there. Probably all they really had to do was show a few trinkets and Soviet inventions and industry, talk about something like S-P-A-C-E and telescopes or whatever, and end his trip to the port by driving past some staged villagers erecting a cross to pray in the middle of the woods and he'd be sincerely eating out of their hands.
>...and then Comrade Dmitri showed me some man who built his own log cabin erecting a cross in the woods so he could be alone with God. I tell you my good friend John Smithton, this is truly the second greatest country in the world.
No. 55662
Yea I agree. Btw main plot was based on book which was 62 when the movie was made. Now this movie is 63 years old lol.
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Ebin, and glad you agree actually. As a fan of the pulps especially, the modern conception of pulp satire pisses me off. They're too self aware and focused on poking fun at the source instead of just presenting it with all the silliness it has in its purest form.
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Lost Highway (1997)
Zizek's interpretation in his Guide to Cinema didn't help all that much to make sense of it tbh, but I was still thoroughly enthralled. Made me feel viscerally disturbed at times as few movies have managed to.
At the risk of repeating myself - loved the soundtrack here too, some really fun stuff - especially the heavier tracks. Bowie's intro/outro track highlighting the circularity of the story is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuK8NIBKUm8
Also hnnnng @ Patricia Arquette's teeth

Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
This is gonna be my edgy "christmas movie" choice going forward, might actually be Kubrick's best from what I've seen so far (everything after Lolita). Basically a perfect movie. Without having investigated it in detail, there seems to be quite a bit of symmetry going on in the story, cf. the two visits to the prostitute, Bill getting heckled by the college boys as gay vs. being flirted with by the gay hotelier, etc.
While both are intertwined and important for the movie, I think the paranoia/conspiracy & "unveiling of the elites" is the more interesting aspect rather than the relationship/jealousy theme. In this vein, I see Under the Silver Lake (2018) as a great successor, though ofc it's far from Kubrick's perfectionism.
Also loved the more humorous parts like the high confrontation between Kidman and Cruise (whom were actually married at the time of filming - guess I'm late to the party for finding this out :D), or the miniature farce of the big orgy/ritual scene in the costume shop.

>using a combination of effects to imitate XIX century line engravings
Looks very cool, might have to watch it

>The element of this being a Hollywood movie justifying the opening episodes of the Great Terror and glorifying Stalin's USSR, gives the movie a very surreal edge.
Damn, that's bonkers. Interesting to see an example of more "hard" propaganda from Hollywood, not to mention that it's pro-Soviet :D
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Mulholland Drive was one of the spookiest things I've ever seen, perhaps partly because the furious masturbation scene was done so well, and also because I watched it at exactly the right time in my life to take it as an allegory and expose of the mind control cults operating within Hollywood and the intelligence agencies as one of their dirtiest little secrets using trauma and child molestation based programming and so took it as her ultimately being whacked by the owners of this country because her programming broke down. Which, come to think of it, is interesting that you ultimately paired Eyes Wide Shut with Lost Highway.

Allegedly there's some kind of lost footage of this film which Kubrick had intended to leave in it for theatrical audiences but that after he privately screened it They had him killed and then "lost" the footage giving much better contexts and butchered it releasing the more nonsensical edited and cut up version from unused B real clips to try making it just about sex.
No. 55692
Didn't Lynch himself say that Lost Highway isn't too much of a deeper meaning thing and that you should just enjoy the ride? I feel that especially with Lynch and Kubrick people tend to overanalyze, like how The Shining is a hidden allegory of the Holocaust or something.
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Some people alleged on the internet that The Shining was an allegory for faking the moon landing yes, and also yes if you are remotely clever enough to solve adventure game puzzles you can easily play the same game with reality. Lots of newfag conspiracy theorists tend to do this their first year or two conspiracizing, and yes they also almost universally get into numerology during their conspiracyfag probationary period. See also: Qtards.

I'm not talking about Lost Highway though. I'm talking about Mulholland Drive which remains one of my top most thoroughly disturbing films I've ever seen, which is again because unlike things which are a meme level stretch such as The Shining it actually fits really well, or at least that the woman has MPD/DID. But yes you are also entirely correct about both Kubrick and Lynch fans wrongfully doing that speaking of which I've never seen Blue Velvet maybe I should DL it to further spite my rock squeezing ISP.I want to uninstall and redownload terabytes just to spite them I wish using their bandwith cost them money or something.

As to Eyes Wide Shut, that's a really special case. Unlike all of the other films that's explicitly about secret societies and rich elites and murder and high society and the occult. Also it strongly implies pedophilia, which is all the more interesting considering iirc it was set somewhere in NY which in light of Jeffrey Epstein is an interesting take. There's also some other strange cultish happenings in that state with rich elites and mind control and weird sex shit like NXIVM and the Seagram's heiresses, whose father also iirc had some kind of strange Mossad and World Jewish Congress ties. It should also be noted that the one scene had Nicole Kidman fucking a sea captain, which made absolutely no sense and was completely out of context until you realize the founder of Happyology was obsessed with LARPing as a sea captain and at the time they both were members.

I'd actually consider EWS to be a profoundly startling expose or rather a much more obvious attempt than I'd ever seen elsewhere to broach the subject. The masquerade may have been partly inspired by some infamous Rothschild party, regardless of anything else. It reads, as a film, like something where lots of other clips had gone missing or should be in there but are not, and I distinctly remember when it came out that pretty much all the media outlets marketed it just as some movie about Cruse and Kiddman having sex. It was actually incredibly odd to me having seen it to then think about the way everyone reviewed and marketed it on release, like they willfully ignored the entire basis of the movie to try and make it sound like nothing but an excuse to have a sex movie between those two. It was a real subtle "the mass media is fake" moment to me at the time.

Have you not seen it? It's explicitly about a strange murderous occult sex cult for rich elites from places like Manhattan. The fact Kubrick died days later only amplified the suspicion. It's come to basically stand for "that movie about Illuminati black magick and mind control and pedo/sex blackmail that they killed Kubrick for" in any conspiracy circle.

Lastly speaking of strange films with dead actors directors, you should check this out. I think the Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was not necessarily a good film, or rather it wasn't actually knocking my socks off, but it was certainly far from a bad one. However I also mention this one because it also felt like almost an insider Hollywood culture project for Hollywood insiders that happened to get made into a film where no one will get it and just watch and be mindlessly entertained. They only shot like half the scenes while Ledger was alive so they had to get different people like Jude Law and Johnny Depp to fill in for various scenes. It was an altogether strange experience and I'm kinda shocked it doesn't get talked about more.
No. 55708
Yeah, sorry, I was more alleging to the other poster.
Just out of interest, are you visiting your home chan from time to time? Because on /tv/ they often have threads about how Kubrick and EWS with the exactly same things you are saying.

That said, watch Blue Velvet, it's good, but it's more of an actual crime story than mindfucking craziness of other Lynch works. Also, Frank Booth is a great villain, but then again, Hopper is always good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4
Notice how the dude on the right almost laughs when Hopper starts shouting.

As for Dr. Parnassus, when it came out, everyone was talking about it and especially about the workarounds regarding Ledger's death.
But like every other Gilliam movie (save for Fisher King maybe), it's flashy and colorful and touches on several subjects without going into any depth and just meanders for far too long. I would still do Lily Cole with the power of a thousand suns, though.
Imo Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time. His Don Quixote film was a disappointment.
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Eyes Without a Face (1960)
Another French classic that I found somewhat underwhelming. It's quite nice visually, the actors are good, I liked the music (esp. the theme with which it opens - it veers nicely between quirky and creepy). However I didn't find the story particularly engaging, it showed too much for my taste, lacking in suspense and scary moments.

Holy Motors (2012)
Consisting of several surreal episodes where he plays different strange characters, it's basically just a showreel for actor Denis Lavant, who admittedly delivers some great performances. Most of the episodes are quite interesting by themselves but tied together they result in a proper shitpost in movie form.
Coincidentally features one of the actresses from Eyes Without a Face who looks surprisingly stunning despite her age, and even a small nod to the film itself at the end.

Bo Burnham: Inside (2021)
Got roped into watching this - definitely overhyped but understandably so since it does capture the lockdown & "being online" zeitgeist quite well. Not a huge fan of the songs (tho admittedly had an earworm from this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU), but I definitely like the concept of doing a DIY-gesamtunstwerk.

>you should just enjoy the ride?
Sure, and that I did :D
I haven't seen/read the interview you're alluding to, but generally wouldn't always take what a director says at face value.

>Gilliam is one of the most overrated directors of our time
Not a big fan of Gilliam either, but I really loved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
It was hugely influential for my teens with all the drug antics, not sure how it would hold up were I to watch it now.
No. 55876
The "shining shizo theory" distract people from looking at early american space program, where they made much more obvious fakes. Like "record time on orbit" Something like 2 weeks. Without any special drugs, costumes or exercise regimen. Just sitting 2 weeks in chair on an orbit (t. official version). And jumped around the aircarrier deck right after the landing.

My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, stopped their human space program too. They only made space stations used for accomodating people for less than 2 weeks time periods to shoot some neoreligious freemason propaganda about muh science there.

The real station should have at least some artificial gravity. Trough orbital centrifuge.
No. 55884
>My opinion is that after that Soviets, being actually fully controlled by USA and UK, s
Did you know, Russian Federation is in fact a UK registered corporation and therefore you don't have to follow any of their laws?
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The Witness/A tanú (1969)
Hilarious absurdist satire about the communist regime, heard our resident Hungarian poster mentioning it in some thread. The story is about an unwitting guy who's sent to prison for slaughtering a pig but then gets manipulated by a paranoid party cadre who sets him up in various positions of power. There he spectacularly fails and each time ends up in prison again until he succeeds at leading a science institute to produce a single Hungarian Orange only to have his son accidentally eat it. Finally he is groomed in an overly meticulous fashion as a witness to condemn a former friend.
I was afraid there might be some references I wouldn't get or w/e but I didn't notice anything and it was a comedy that made me laugh for once - so I'd definitely recommend it.

Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (1965)
Parajanov's 2nd best-known masterpiece besides Color of Pomegranates (>>55212). This one's a comparatively straight-forward tragic love story set in a Ukranian Carpathian village. It shares a similar sense of aestheticism with traditional flavor through costume and song, along with striking colors and recurring symbols. It features some of his iconic painting-like stills, but the camera work is more conventional for the most part, I particualarly loved the almost overly quick camera movements (e.g. in the opening where it mimics the POV of a falling tree).
No. 55895
The main thing about A Tanú isn't the historical references it makes (or rather, doesn't make besides the parodic portrayal of the 1948-1956 era) is the references we make to it.
There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it. The Hungarian Orange for example is one of them, especially the line that goes
>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
that people sometimes say when something is serviceable but will get the job done
Or the line
>I'm not trained enough ideologically
Or the first image you posted, that one is a classic.

It's an important movie because of how tightly the lines got integrated into common speech.
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>There's a lot of lines in it that are common idioms that you can quote and people get it.
Oh yeah, many such cases with Soviet movies as well
>>It's a bit yellow, a bit sour, but it's ours
Makes me chuckle still :D
My favorite part might've been the Socialist Ghost Train though, might make a webm if I figure out how to hardcode subtitles.

Can you recommend any other Hungarian movies (aside from Béla Tarr stuff) btw?

It was Galkovsky tire and it was on the EC
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>Socialist Ghost Train
That's a good pun because in the original it's called "A Szocialista Szellem Vasútja", which can be interpreted as "Socialist Ghost Train" or also as "The Train of Socialist Spirit", since the word "Szellem" can mean either the ghost or the abstract concept of spirit.
The scene has one other reference to an 1919 poster (the red fist smashing the table), but because the iconography is clear if you don't know it then it just registers as a generic piece of propaganda.
It says "Bastards! Is this what you wanted?"

Sadly I'm almost completely illiterate when it comes to Hungarian films, but I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Personally I'd recommend the animated epic The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics, which adapts one of my favourite pieces of Hungarian literature using a lot of expressive styles. And you don't have to worry about missing stuff, since it's a Menschheitsparabel in the vein of Faust.

Though it's another one of those works that had a lot of its lines integrated into common speech (Not because of Jankovics's film, which is fairly new, but because everyone has to read the book).
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Watched Wolfwalkers. Great cartoon from one Irish studio, I have not watched their other works (my bf did), but this was generally a great experience. It cleverly using modern instruments for vibrant 2d animation with an interesting art style and design decisions (like usage of form between the city and the forest). While I can't say it so great as, for example, in Klaus, it still enjoyable to look at.
The story is more on safe side adventure, without any too hardcore moments (tho there are little Christianity vs Paganism in Ireland... not even commentary, but something I would've not expected from a cartoon from some big corporation), but still, same things overall feel fresher and less forced and restricted than an already very tired unimaginative world of Disney-Pixar big 3d animation. I May definitely recommend it for the family evening, same as mentioned Klaus if you have not seen it.
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Khrustalyov, My Car! (1998)
>Military doctor General Klenski is arrested in Stalin’s Russia in 1953 during an anti-Semitic political campaign accused of being a participant in so-called “doctors’ plot”.
Extremely overwhelming, watching this movie is like being dragged through a madhouse. Especially for the first half, the protagonist bounces from one overly dense scene to the next, stumbling through a multitude of minor characters who all seem to have something to say, often at the same time. The second half then features the tragicomedy of Klenski's fall and ironic redemption proper, including an unsettling prison rape scene, and the rather surprising end as it ties into the death of Stalin.
I'd have to rewatch Hard to Be a God to judge more confidently, but this might actually be German's magnum opus.

>I'll ask my friend for you who's a colossal moviefag and a film student.
Cool, I'd appreciate it

>The Tragedy of Man by Marcell Jankovics
Looks ebin, I think I actually remember you posting about the source text
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The poster reminds me of this 1920 poster, maybe it was based upon the Hungarian one.
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P.S.: Was designed by Karl Jakob Hirsch btw.
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The Dead Zone (1983)
Adaptation of the Stephen King novel by Cronenberg, with Christopher Walken as the protagonist school teacher who awakens after a long coma to find out he has clairvoyant powers. Some consistently cool, winter-y visuals, Walken's pretty good as is Martin Sheen in his ridiculous role as the corrupt politician.
Overall I was somewhat disappointed, as the story felt very episodic and disjointed, mb also cause I expected something more graphic from Cronenberg whereas this is just a thriller with some fairly light supernatural elements.
Also feels like Walken appropriated some of De Niro's mannerisms here, such as the Duchenne smile, doesn't seem too unlikely after they shot The Deer Hunter together in 1981, but mb that's just me starting to see weird things :D

The Neon Demon (2016)
Might be the weakest one from Refn along with Only God Forgives - both stories are just slightly too minimalist for me, but I still enjoyed it. Guess I'm a sucker for these hypnotic scenes drenched in neon & droning synths.
No. 56060
Funny, I watched Dead Zone not too long ago and mostly agree with your assessment. I think it was because it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way, but they probably didn't want to make a one hour movie.
What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
I mean he still died a "hero's death", so to say, but it's not like he got any accolades for it
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A Woman Under the Influence (1974)
Most popular and acclaimed drama about an erratically behaving mother and her working class family by John Cassavetes (who is often credited as a pioneer of independent filmmaking in America). It's filmed in a very raw naturalist style, and the performances of both Peter Falk and especially Gena Rowlands are really outstanding, but also made me quite uncomfortable and I had to pause a lot to get through it. Definitely not a fun movie, but at least it ends on a surprisingly upbeat note.

Woman in the Dunes (1964)
Based on the novel and adapted for screenplay by Japanese writer Kobo Abe, the story's about an insect collector who ends up trapped in a house with a woman in a remote sand village and after his initial indignation comees to accept his situation. The existentialist themes might feel a bit too on-the-nose, but the film shines though a great mix of regular and more experimental filming techniques. Gotta say compared to the novel it veers more heavily towards the eroticism compared to its Kafkaesque aspects, maybe just by the sheer choice of medium.
Would definitely recommend this one for watching during the summer, almost makes you feel good about the heat since at least you're not also covered in sand (must've been hell filming it)

>it was told so slowly, but not in a good way, like everything is done in a very roundabout way
According to wiki there had been quite a few different versions of the screenplay (the ones by King himself and Andrezej Zulawski being scrapped), and the one that was used was revised a lot by different people, mb it was a case of "zu viele Köche verderben den Brei" :D

>What I liked though was that it didn't have a "conventional" happy end.
Oh yeah, that was a nice surprise, though the thing with the baby was quite ridiculous (in a good way) :D
No. 56068
Got those recs for ya.

Ötödik Pecsét/The Fifth Seal
Hideg Napok/Cold Days
Isten hozta, őrnagy úr!/The Toth Family

I also remembered there's a very good WW2 comedy from the 60s by the title "A tizedes meg a többiek" or "The Corporal and the Others".
Don't know how many of these actually have subs available though.
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You could also try this one too if you liked Jankocs's animation. It's visuals are inspired by Yellow Submarine and it adapts another literary classic.

And this one just came to mind since I recently read the source material which it was adapted from.
The visuals are less impressive but it's well made and tells the story of a peasant boy taking symbolic revenge on his lord for being an unjust greedy retard.
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The Tragedy of Man (2011)

An epic almost three-hour long animated film adapting the eponymous play by Hungarian author Imre Madách. Inspired by Milton's Paradise Lost and Goethe's Faust it features Lucifer in one of the main roles guiding Adam, as reincarnated in the guise of historical figures, through various ages of Western history, each time meeting Eve, also in various guises. The ages seem to follow a Hegelian notion of history, each time Adam is confronted with the antithetical decline that leads to the next age with its own ailments. Whatever you might think of this notion of history, each segment is impressively represented by a corresponding art style.
The narrative starts out in a fairly linear manner from the Biblical creation to the Renaissance, but gets increasingly more phantasmagoric towards modernity with symbols like the wheel of time grinding away at the horrors of history becoming more prevalent, Adam also turning more into the common man rather than historical individual.
The modern episode is followed by futuristic ones: an Orwellian egalitarian society,
transhumanist spacefaring, and finally an apocalyptic Ice Age scenario. These feel somewhat quaint, but as I understand it they were already present in the source from 1861, so the proto-SF vision is actually rather impressive.

The animation style might seem a bit too static for the modern viewer and one might find disagreements with some aspects of the underlying philosophy, despite that it's an outstanding work of art.

Much obliged!
Was able to find torrents for most of those, but no luck with Cold Days or The Toth Family so far, mb I'll check out the novella its based on for the latter
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House of 1000 Corpses (2003) & The Devil’s Rejects (2005)
Watched these upon a friend's recommendation - kinda bad stuff, especially the writing. The first one is an absolute mess that tries to be horror & comedy at the same time and fails at both, also terrible hyperactive editing, but somewhat redeemed by the cool sets & props. The 2nd one is just shallow in terms of writing & characters but there are a couple interesting scenes like the one with the movie critic & the ending slo-mo shootout set to Lynyrd Skynyrd's Freebird.

The Big Lebowski (1998)
No pics since I rewatched this one with my zoomer brother, he wasn't too impressed - and neither was I this time around. Might've been somewhat due to the awkward setting of us watching a movie together, but it barely elicited a few chuckles. In hindsight I feel like the characters & the quotes end up being more interesting than the movie itself.
Also, I hadn't really thought about it, but I've grown rather Dude-like in my lifestyle recently.
Also Walter's obsession to make everything about Vietnam reminded me of our resident rambling American :D
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Loving your reviews man!
you mind listing your top ten russian films?

thanks, german friend!
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>watching Rob Zombie films
It's your own fault man.
I mean, like White Zombie and his solo stuff, but he really shouldn't make films. Everything I have seen that he was made was not good. House of 1000 Corpses can get a pass for being a nice trash film evening addition, but TDR and 3FH are just fucking bad. For someone who is a self-proclaimed horror film fan, his films are too sterile and at the core too tame, despite having all those superficial atrocities in them. Also, his wife is annoying and it's even more annoying he's shoving her into everything.
I actually wrote a review for 3 From Hell on /b/ where I go into more detail on what is wrong with that film.

As for The Big Lebowski, I still like it as much as before on every rewatch, I probably watch it once per year or more, because my gf also likes it. Imo it's like the Monty Python films and it's just a comfy, funny film that's also immensely quotable. I don't even have some special kind of nostalgia for it. I think it was the setting in your case.
Also, I have to add that the first time I watched it I also found it rather meh, but it has really grown on me.
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*I like
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This how "Aliens" movies should've looked in the first place. Also, controversial opinion: Aliens in the weakest movie in quadrilogy :--DDDD
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>our resident rambling American :D
Dude which one there's like four of us and at least two maybe three prone to going off on some tangent when a foreigner is unwise enough to bring something up conducive to even the small handful of us aggressively shitposting to one another
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Jesus Christ I only just now seeing a still frame for the first time realize they all look like vata wearing some kind of medieval welders beetle helmets. Also, not terribly controversial. I have no idea why the fuck people say Alien 3 was "bad" or trying to compare awful third installments of movies or videogames to it. Frankly the second was basically just an 80s action flick which was all kind of stupendously retarded and the third one got back to its roots of being scifi horror films. It's not the second was "bad" per se but goddamnit you're on a strange colony with xeno artifacts it isn't fucking Vietnam. Why are they shooting away inside reactors like they are Viet Cong? Why in fuck is a nuclear reactor now a giant hydrogen bomb? From being shot at? What stupidity is this? So in conclusion the second one was simply adored by the bydlo and first one wasn't as great as people like to say. Of those I think I rewatched the first twice at most, multiple times the other two.
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Well, 2nd movie started as a different movie and was re-branded as Aliens only on the run or something, since the original idea was about Venus (?)
This movie is simple, you feel safe more or less across all of it. Marines are childish, they don't even feel like soldiers. Their equipment is out of date almost even by late 80s US Army standards and APC design is stupid. I always wondered when was a kid, since they have like giant exoskeleton heavy lifters, why soldiers, at least some of them are not in something like exo-frames?

>Jesus Christ I only just now seeing a still frame for the first time realize they all look like Vata wearing some kind of medieval welders beetle helmets
I always felt like it probably maybe not even humans, but some battle androids. They look more like something in the style/mood of the first movie. Anyway, 3rd movie horror layer was not even alien, not even alien inside you, not even end up in remnants of an almost closed industrial horror planet with giant prison for rapists, not even that all people you knew died, but that outside world is scarier than this. There is no help, there is no safe earth. Company will arrive, and they are scary as fuck and it'll be better to die faster than they can catch you and start to do inhuman experiments.
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Yesterday, Murder by the Coast was released to Netflix, a traditional true-crime documentary. The whole genre of "True Crime" is somewhat of a guilty pleasure of mine. And I have to say Netflix's true crime series and documentaries are really some of the best in the whole genre. So I already had planned to watch this movie and was not disappointed. It features everything you'd expect from true crime: murder, sexual assault, wrongful conviction, media circus etc. I enjoyed the documentary very much as Netflix productions really know how to build up tension and make such cases interesting. If you're interested in True Crime, you should watch this.
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And top 5 films about Latin America. It's +36'C here so I'm in mood to watch something like that.

My friend watches Lebovsky every few months and once he watched it twice in a row. That's a good movie in my opinion, but not THIS good.
>Also Walter's obsession to make everything about Vietnam reminded me of our resident rambling American :D
That's what we love him for.
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Interesting image you got there pal
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Why "guilty pleasure"? Do you consider true crime to be a trashy category of entertainment?
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Mister Designer (1987)
Hidden gem of a late Soviet Russian mystery-thriller based on a story by Alexander Grin (think the Russian pendant to EA Poe or ETA Hoffmann). The story is set in pre-revolutionary Petersburg where a once successful artist becomes obsessed with the doppelganger of a sickly girl who posed as a model for him in the past.
The somewhat leisurely pace is relieved by a confident visual style with a good amount of symbolism (such as the Red Spectre prefiguring the Revolution - reminiscent of the red domino in Andrei Bely's Peterburg), and the amazing diverse soundtrack by Sergey Kuryokhin. A shame about the terrible poster & translation of the title, otherwise more people would probably know it. Would definitely recommend if you like (slower-paced) giallo or Herzog's Nosferatu.

Saragossa Manuscript (1965)
This three-hour masterpiece by Polish director Wojciech Has is based on an early 19th century frame-tale novel set in early 18th century Spain, written by a Polish author in French. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of its convolution, as the plot consists of a dizzying amount of nestled stories-within-stories about the likes of noblemen and Moorish princesses, mostly rather strange & seemingly(?) supernatural, often also comedic & romantic.
Tbh I found most of the stories not particularly engaging, and it's easy to lose track of the overarching story as digression piles upon digression, but the amazing set designs & mise-en-scene, as well as the unique formal complexity make it a very interesting if not entirely enjoyable watch.


>top ten russian films
Sure, but I'll extend it to (Ex-)Soviet
Ofc the list is pretty arbitrary - no particular order, also limiting it to one film per director:
Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors 1965 (>>55894)
Andrei Rublev 1966
The Ascent 1977
Days of Eclipse 1988
Hard to Be a God 2013
Taxi Blues 1990
Come and See 1985
Kin-dza-dza! 1986
Brother 1997
Assa 1987

Though most of these (except for Brother) are rather arthouse movies, for more mainstream stuff I'd recommend classic Soviet comedies & dramas by directors like Leonid Gaidai or Eldar Ryazanov

>at least two maybe three prone to going off on some tangent
Well, then it makes Walter an even better stereotype :D
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Thanks so much for the quick reply, I love it and I hope you continue reviewing films!
Much love!
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Well, there is no artistic value in true crime. It is a kind of basic form of entertainment not being very "deep" or meaningful.
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Bleeder (1999)
Refn's 2nd film, a crime drama about two working class friends, one of them a nerd working in a film store trying to get a date with a cashier girl at a fast food joint, the other a meathead who's overwhelmed by his girlfriend's pregnancy.
Visually it's quite gritty, reminiscent of Pusher (also features most its main cast). Yet there's also the usual stylizations through the usage of color, esp. the prevalence of red (as the title somewhat suggests), and the soundtrack features quite a lot of rock songs by Danish bands.
Despite mostly employing the stunted, emotionless dialogue style that his latter work is known for, this feels like his most "human" film with rather relatable characters. Really loved the hopeful ending, I might have a penchant for love stories after all even if I don't want to admit it :D
Also it's quite some jerk-off material for cinephiles due to all the references to films/actors/directors, e.g. this scene at the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPxxLTspb4A

> top 5 films about Latin America
Not really my expertise tbh, off the top of my head I can only recommend:
Y Tu Mamá También 2001

If it's mainly about the heat I'd have more :D
Wake in Fright 1971
Woman in the Dunes 1964 >>56064
Cool Hand Luke 1967
Beau Travail 1999

>For someone who is a self-proclaimed horror film fan, his films are too sterile and at the core too tame, despite having all those superficial atrocities in them. Also, his wife is annoying and it's even more annoying he's shoving her into everything.
Yeah, that hits the nail on the head. It's really kinda disheartening when someone who seems to be passionate about film just can't manage make anything good himself.
Never was too much into his music except for the track on one of the NFS soundtracks :D
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Logan's Run (1976)
Kinda cheesy SF about muh escape from totalitarian cybernetic utopiandystopian society. Some nice visual splendor due to the set designs & props. Second half drags, but Jenny Agutter's character in her skimpy outfit kept me horny enough to enjoy it, through the ending is somewhat lackluster.

The Terminator (1984) & Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991)
I prefer the first one with its neon & synth 80s vibes to the second installment, though I get why its more mature tone would have led to its acclaim. Arnie and his metal endoskeleton are of course iconic, but altogether I find such action-focused blockbusters kinda boring, even if technically well done. Especially second one drags quite a bit, though mb that's my bad for watching the Extended Cut.

Strange Days (1995)
Also written by James "Subtext is for cowards" Cameron, and directed by Kathryn Bigelow, this was a really cool mix of action & neo-noir in a Gibsonian cyberpunk setting: on the day leading up to Y2K a sleazy VR video salesman gets dragged down the rabbithole as he investigates the origins of a snuff video he received, all the while racial tensions & violence are escalating in the city. It does a really great job of capturing a neon metropolis that's about to explode - reminded me of the Akira anime in that way.
It's extremely dynamic with so much going on in the background of many scenes that I found it hard to even find stills to screencap. Some great POV sequences & action scenes too, my only issue might be with the heightened melodrama towards the end.
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Logan's Run was a nice movie, the face of mid 70s science fiction. Robot prop was crap tho lol. You may try to watch Silent Running (1972)
>terminator 2
I don't feel that it is more mature, but more grounded movie for family audience with blockbuster budget. Terminator 1 is an awesome movie, but past this... was there a really decent Cameron movie? Aliens, T2, Avatar, Titanic - they all this type of family blockbuster movies which are crappy and childish, but everyone loves them because they are big. Tho mentioning this, I remembered what movies filled "big family adventure" niche nowadays... yea.
No. 56469
Silent Running was sooo nice, I love that film. It gave me a strong feeling of "what could have been". Clearly the film is quite naive 70s sci-fi, but it's done with so much enthusiasm that it hurts to look back to it from today. Back then people could have so many dreams about the age we live in today.
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Alien³ (1992)
Thanks for recommendation, avoided it so far since it has such lower ratings than first two, tho I remember watching the ending on TV as a kid.
Really loved the world-building, the whole corporate prison planet setting is pretty much what I'd imagined the "off-world colonies" from Blade Runner to be.

Fear X (2003)
Nicely tense psychological thriller that apparently bombed so hard it nearly ruined Refn's career. It's quite Lynchian, but more restrained & minimalist. Great performance by John Turturro, who of all people was also the guy who played Jesus in The Great Lebowski :D

Bronson (2008)
Bit of an odd one out in Refn's cinematography, it's a bizarre comedy based on a true story about "Britain's most notorious prisoner" who styled himself after the actor Charles Bronson. There's not much of a story, it's just strange episodes that usually culminate in violence with fourth-wall breaking narration inbetween. It's entertaining, and there's some cool scenes of usual Refnian neon aesthetics set to vibrant music, but altogether it doesn't really go anywhere.

Death Wish (1974)
Ended up convinced I have to see the actual Mongolian American pop star, Charles Bronson, in action.
Solid drama about the rising crime in 70s New York, kinda reminiscent of Dirty Harry, except that the protagonist is a vigilante and not a cop.

>Silent Running (1972)
Yeap, seen it a while ago, pretty good
Mildly interesting: just found out the director, Douglas Trumbull, worked on visual effects for Blade Runner, The Andromeda Strain and Kubrick's 2001

>I don't feel that it is more mature, but more grounded movie
Maybe mature is not the right word, but I'm mostly thinking about the way Sarah Connor's character was developed. First movie ends on a hopeful note with her as mother-to-be determined to face the future, whereas in the 2nd one she's much more wore down by "reality" of her struggles.
And from that also develops some philosophical themes (even if not particularly deep ones) about what it means to be human or machine, as Sarah is becoming increasingly machine-like and ruthless and Arnie's Terminator becoming more human-like. The first movie's more simple in that regard.
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>And from that also develops some philosophical themes (even if not particularly deep ones) about what it means to be human or machine, as Sarah is becoming increasingly machine-like and ruthless and Arnie's Terminator becoming more human-like. The first movie's more simple in that regard.

I think a lot of themes of the 2nd movie were buried under layers of a PG13-style action movie. For example, what is to be a machine, can a machine be a human, etc. This theme not uncovered, because for all movies T-800 is more Swartznegger than T-800. More like an object of jokes against autistic people than a portrayal of the cold mechanical machine. In that regard, that movie lost the opportunity to make a conclusion for this idea: when T-800 goes down to lava he is beaten, but he still and Arnold. It would be a much more logical and powerful move to show him like T-800 was at the end of the original movie - a metallic endoskeleton without any skin. But characters will still care about him, thus, accepting him as a machine, not "autistic Schwarzenegger becomes my father! like in movie "Jingle All the Way"" which makes no point besides people like this actor.

Major detail of the first movie for me the portrayal of the machines in general. Both future war and T-800. In the original movie future war portrayed not as a war, but as a Survival. A couple of people, mostly ill and sick survivalists in the destroyed world trying to somehow keep their lives. Their enemies are not some other sane species, nation, aliens, or anything. Their enemies - just self-defending computer security system, Soulless, brainless. While SkyNet is AI, it is more like a modern Neurolink than some sort of creature with needs. All we see is how a couple of people fighting automaton robots. This is the scariest part - imagine if your camera security system decided to attack you. This system does not need anything. It has no goals, no feelings, no wants. When it kills you, I'll just shut itself off or something. There will be no future, it is not like one nation conquers another to continue existence. The only thing which will happen after - non-existence. The end for everything. It is a literal metaphor for suicide for all life.

The portrayal of T-800 in the original movie as only an imitation of some human form and very very basic and primitive adds to it. This is not an "evil" robot going to kill you. It is the same as have an injury during an accident while you working on the machinery bench. Bench cut your finger not because it is "evil". The ending of the movie on the automated factory is also a nice metaphor - all this SkyNet and T-800 is not different than machinery which squished T-800 in the end.

What do we see in the 2nd movie?
-Future war is WAR of some remnants of USA-like army against an army of walking endoskeletons. Walking human-like robots with guns who attack like WWI soldiers. It immediately changes the whole future war into conflict against "evil robots" in the style of original Battlestar Galactica or meme droids from Star Wars prequels. Making it less logical, less automated, and more humanized.
-Liquid T-1000, who behaves like a human being and only remembers that it is a blob of liquid only when the movie needs it. It is a typical writer mistake - you creating some concept or idea which is too hard for you to explain and properly use in your plot like it should operate, thus you dumbing it down constantly so it uses its "powers" only in set specific moments.
-Already mentioned a slight meme from Schwarzenegger who replaces automatic soulless T-800 from the original, being more like some "scooby-doo" with powers for our team of adventurers.

Also, while T2 has scenes like "nuclear blasts" and another everyone remembers, I don't think anything goes even near for example scene from T1 where Kyle had a hysteric cry just looking at the green grass. T1 is inescapable horror on many levels, and the whole concept of self-destruction into nothing is the scariest one for me. Also yea, music is brilliant in T1.

>Thanks for recommendation, avoided it so far since it has such lower ratings than first two, tho I remember watching the ending on TV as a kid. Really loved the world-building, the whole corporate prison planet setting is pretty much what I'd imagined the "off-world colonies" from Blade Runner to be.

Btw you have watched the cinema cut or the director's cut?
You may also watch 4. People hate it because it is... very different movie. But I love it a lot. This is another great example of french-style science fiction with a lot of ideas and details which were not appreciated because it is not like "first" or "second" one.
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>dat weird fixation on autism and taking offense as such
Well anyway it's still a logical conclusion precisely because whole premise of the movie is Terminator must come back to kill cyberpunk Virgin Mary before her child can begin revanchist war against the machines. What actually ends up happening is hey, T-800 fails because John "computer crusher" Christ sent back some guy as his trusted lieutenant to stop machine assassins, he stops assassins. Later we realize John "anti-machine Meshiach" becomes in way responsible for his own birth because he knew who his father was who needed to be sent back through time, in order for him to impregnate Sarah so he could be born to lead man to victory and salvation over death or suicide of life as you say.

All what happens in second movie is just extrapolating on things we already know and was set in stone, which now of course this time we get to see John Connor's actual beginning of success against machines, because we already knew about this happening otherwise would be no fucking point to sending some android back in time to assassinate JC's mother. Except difference is also of course, his father was going to have been someone both growing up largely after apocalypse who likely never remembered much about former world, and who would have also remembered very clearly those first dark days as humanity was getting pushed closer and closer to extinction before JC shows up and rallies everybody enough to make real progress against them.

So I disagree in your implications that it is somehow veering off canon, which was of course that brutal Fallout-esque losing battle just to survive for remnants of mankind, but of course clearly whole point of the story was that John was actually threatening to destroy the machines and save humanity which itself is obvious implication they would turn brutal, stark struggle to survive in ruins of a dead world into a real battle eventually. T2 simply showed us more of both what that day looked like when bulk of us got killed, as well also much further into future when we're winning our first victories against those soulless entities.
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El Mariachi (1992)
Robert Rodriguez' first film, mostly known as a success story of a low budget film that was picked up by a major studio for distribution. Pretty simple story about a musician who's chased around by some bad guys since he gets mistaken for a killer due to his similar guitar case. Some nice gimmicks in terms of cinematography, and I quite liked the dream sequences, otherwise nothing too outstanding.

The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Watched this mainly cause it was used as an example in a book on movies I'm currently reading, but found it surprisingly enjoyable though I'm not a big fan of musicals. Luckily the songs here don't overstay their welcome. Definitely a deserved classic.

Germany Year Zero (1948)
Bleak drama about a boy and his hungering family in post-war Germany, directed by Rossellini. Not an enjoyable watch, but has some interesting historical footage and due to its neorealist style it's easy to feel like things really might have happened that way.

Old Joy (2006)
Decided to check out some more films by female directors. This one's a minimalist drama by Kelly Reichardt about two friends trying to reunite over a camping trip; one of them a soon-to-be father, while the other is still living a sort of hippie lifestyle. Really liked it, esp. the soundtrack by Yo La Tengo worked great to create a somewhat bittersweet mood. Also found it eerily relatable in its portrayal of awkwardness between once good friends.

>It would be a much more logical and powerful move to show him like T-800 was at the end of the original movie - a metallic endoskeleton without any skin.
Would be interesting, but when the rest of the movie emphasizes that he becomes more and more human-like, I think it does make sense the way it is. But yeah, I suppose Arnie's popularity might've influenced the writing for no other reason than to give him more "cool" scenes.

>Btw you have watched the cinema cut or the director's cut?
I watched what's called the "Assembly Cut", it's basically Director's Cut, but from what I read Fincher wasn't directly involved with it anymore so it has this different name.
Gonna check out the 4th one too for sure.
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Walker (1987)

This one deserves a seperate post, absolutely ebin satirical "biopic" by Alex Cox of Repo Man fame.
It's about 19th century American filibuster William Walker and his motley crew of mercenaries who get sponsored by an American tycoon to overthrow the government of Nicaragua. He's portrayed as a Great Man figure who can march through the battlefield without getting hurt whereas all his followers constantly get blown to pieces in the most irreverent and darkly hilarious ways.
Whereas initially he comes off as an idealist who wants to "bring democracy to the people", as soon as they overtake the government Walker quickly starts abandoning all his principles to stay in power. He turns out to be a psychopathic despot without a shred of guilt and all the while still maintaining his aura of absolute self-righteousness.
Throughout the film there are appear more and more anachronisms (starting with the soundtrack) which make obvious that its a critique of current-era US foreign interventionism, as at the time of its release the Reagan administration was actually sponsoring the Contras in Nicaragua.
Would recommend if you liked Apocalypse Now or Aguirre, Wrath of God, though this one's possibly even more unhinged.
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Very nice anime about the alternative world... not alternative history, but like an entirely different world where is something between our 1930s and 1960s, where nobody interested in space. Space flight feels like something not very important and unachievable, so only a small team of crazy scientists working on it with a very small budget. The main hero serves in those space forces of the "kingdom" which in col war with some other "republic".
The best part of this is the detail of the world - they have their technologies which gone a bit separate route, their religion, history, music, languages even (republic people talk on an entirely different language, kingdom people have different languages and writing systems), like it was one of the interests of creators - to make non-fantasy, usual, but a different world.

Even in intro and post-credits, there are sets of sketches of their history, their historical figures and events which are presented in the style of important, like you know, in real-life history programs or something, but they are sort of not commented and all of this is fictional and understandable only from some context, which makes it as some sort of illusion that it was some sort of "historical movie" from another world.
No. 56646
great reviews
>And top 5 films about Latin America
would like to know a foreign opinion on latin american cinema
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The Most Terrible Time in My Life (1994) & The Stairway to the Distant Past (1995)
First two parts of Kaizo Hayashi's trilogy about the eternally stylish Yokohama private detective Maiku Hama. Judging from the tongue-in-cheek name of the protagonist (wink-wink Mike Hammer) & his detective agency being inside a movie theatre I expected a more comedic tone. Granted there are funny aspects such as the protagonist's haplessness and some more winks to older films such as starring the iconic yakuza film actor Joe Shishido in a cameo role, but it never gets mockingly silly. Rather as the investigation of the cases go on, the tone turns into more serious (melo)drama.
The cinematography is quite stylish and supported by a cool jazz soundtrack. Definitely recommend if you like (Japanese) film noir, my only gripe is that the films are available in pretty bad DVDRip quality, hopefully they get remastered some time.

Wrong (2012)
KafkaesqueAbsurdist comedy about a guy whose much beloved dog gets kidnapped one day. There's some funny scenes but the different subplots never really come together. Visually also rather boring, even if committed to a certain drab style that arguably fits the narrative.

Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019)
A recent critics' favorite about a female painter contracted to paint a portrait of a rich lady so she can get married. Drama ensues as they fall in love. The cinematography is great, especially in the flattened painting-like scenes at the seaside. However I found it pretty boring, and the motifs/symbolism like the color-coded costumes, the Eurydice story, etc. rather ham-fisted and the overall style of the film too academic and "taking itself too seriously".

The worldbuilding & soundtrack are really great, though the story wasn't too memorable (in any case I can barely recall it). Also interesting history behind it as the first movie by Studio Gainax.

>foreign opinion on latin american cinema
Sadly I haven't seen that many Latin American movies. Mostly just the mainstream stuff by directors like Inarritu, Cuaron & Jodorowsky, but most of their movies aren't really set in Latin America (or at least those that I've seen other than Y Tu Mama Tambien). I've been meaning to watch some movies by Raul Ruiz & the Soviet film Soy Cuba.
Other than that of course I've seen many Hollywood or foreign movies that are set in Latin America (or mostly in Mexico or "the jungle" anyways), but I feel like it's often just used as a backdrop and not really explored deeply.
So if you can recommend some movies, I'd appreciate it.
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Our Hospitality (1923)
Silent comedy about a family feud by Buster Keaton. Really enjoyed it and found it much more funny than Chaplin, as Keaton's acting is much more deadpan and he doesn't try to hog every scene through his silly antics as his moustached colleague tends to.

Autumn Marathon (1979)
Soviet tragicomedy about a spineless translator torn between his mistress and wife. Quite painful to watch as the protagonist is so unlikable, but Yevgeny Leonov in a side role brings some life into it.

Phenomena (1985)
Probabaly my favorite by Dario Argento. Absolutely unhinged giallo in the best possible ways. The movie's heroine is an ethereal girl who can communicate with insects, the soundtrack by Goblin and fucking Iron Maiden absolutely slaps, Donald Pleasance brings a nice touch of real acting as opposed to the mostly deadpan deliveries from other actors, and to top it off it has the best monkey in cinema.
As another reviewer put it succinctly: "ontogeny vs phylogeny. phylogeny wins."

Annie Hall (1977)
I was rather put off by Woody Allen and didn't like the newer movies I've seen by him, but this was really fun. I enjoyed the imaginative fourth wall breaks despite which the film felt like it captured a sense of genuine romance.
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>Buster Keaton
Absolute legend. Why did you watch just this one? A specific reason or did you just find it somewhere?
I really enjoy his shorts because they're just the right amount of high energy and speed that fits that format, though "The General" was also pretty good.
And holy shit, the stunts he did even back then, and the craftsmanship involved in the special effects, I can only say again, what an absolute legend.
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What are good Woody Allen movies?
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>Woody Allen
His old films are fun, as long as he isn't to be seen or heard.

As for Dario Argento, have you seen Opera and if yes, what do you think of it?
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>The worldbuilding & soundtrack are really great, though the story wasn't too memorable (in any case I can barely recall it). Also interesting history behind it as the first movie by Studio
Yea, plot and characters are a bit messy. Overall world was looks like primary idea and the rest was secondary.
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Laura (1944)
Classic noir that partly inspired Lynch's Twin Peaks. A prime example for the very tight classic Hollywood style.

Taking the Horse to Eat Jalebis (2018)
Indian arthouse about the street peddlers & hustlers of Old Delhi. Narrative is quite loosely centered around a few characters like a charismatic pickpocket & a mendacious tour guide, but it's full of various dream sequences, often with some experimental animations on top of the filmed scenes. Interesting, but a bit too unfocused for me.

The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971)
Kinda expected more of a horror movie, but this was really more of a (British) comedy. Awesome sets & props. Thanks to the Ernst who recommended it!

Gaia (2021)
Got trailer-baited into checking out this new eco-horror thriller from South Africa. There's some really cool make-up (or fx?) and a bunch of nicely shot scenes (e.g. the psychedelic sequence), but the rest of it is just way too messy, both in terms of narrative/structure and visuals/cinematography.
Maybe add a few more characters that can get killed off & make the heroine more of a city girl, delay the meeting with the jungle people, tone down (esp. the expository) dialogue and mb make it all in Afrikaans, try to have a bit more patterns in the cinematography rather than constantly filming from different angles. Easier said than done ofc :D
It's really a shame they didn't flesh it out more, as the underlying concept of a primordial jungle deity that turns people into fungal zombies is pretty interesting. Didn't help that apparently I watched some crappy rip where the colors look kinda desaturated.

>Why did you watch just this one? A specific reason or did you just find it somewhere?
I've been reading Film Art: An Introduction by Bordwell et al. and it's analyzed there in some detail as a film that is very economical, i.e. every scene has both a narrative and a comic function, and it's full of patterns and motifs.
I'll definitely check out The General and Sherlock Jr etc.

I've only seen the one above that I liked, but e.g. Manhattan, Zelig, Love & Death look good too, I would disagree with >>56731 in that actually seeing Woody Allen is half the fun of it :D

>have you seen Opera and if yes, what do you think of it?
Not yet, but I'll make sure to post about it when I get around to it. Would you recommend it?
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Yeah, it's just my opinion, but for example, Love and Death is a great, funny film, but I hated every single scene where that weaseling, stuttering little prick was rambling.
Same with "Everything you always wanted to know about sex" - the highlight of the film is without a doubt the sodomy episode, because Gene Wilder is so great (by the way, have you seen the old Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? It's great).
Or Scoop, which is, I must admit, a strike of genius of that old dirty man for ogling Scarlett Johansson, but he's the least enjoyable part in it. Same with "Fading Gigolo", which isn't by him, but he's playing himself and that I find extremely annoying (the film wasn't that good anyway, and I usually like John Turturro).

That said, would I recommend Opera? Well, the synopsis is almost the same as Phenomena (with less supernatural stuff), just that it's set in an opera setting and has a weird almost non-sequitur ending. It's silly, but in a good way. I must admit though I haven't seen other Argento giallos, just some of his horror stuff. But I would like to hear other opinions on it.
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Ended up watching it yesterday. Definitely a lot of stylistic parallels to Phenomena, but Opera's much more psychological & the violence more cruel. Really feels like the climax of his career; some of his most virtuosic camera work too, with highlights like the perspective of the bird flying circles inside the opera, the horizontal feather drop scene & the shot through the eyehole etc.
I loved the ending, both the pile-up of twists as well as the monologue. Despite the silliness of the whole corpse switcheroo, I think the way the heroine switches her attitude towards the killer back and forth adds a lot of complexity to the her character before kind of dissolving her as a character with that monologue sequence anyways.
Btw, just noticing it now after rewatching the ending on yt: In the English version it's Betty's voice whereas in the Italian version it's a man speaking the "I no longer wanted to see anyone" internal monologue which adds another layer of ambiguity: is it Argento himself talking directly through the character?
There is also a similar subtly fourth-wall breaking scene (is she talking to the insects? the girls who bullied her? the audience?) where the main character seems to reach some sort of serenity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXNveASPR-o
Also I loved the clothes the heroine wears - going back and forth between her ultrafeminine stage costumes & her tomboyish everyday outfit - and then the white outfit at the end as she seems to be liberated of her trauma - only to get it splattered with blood again
That said, I'd probably rate it just slightly below Phenomena, just because I don't enjoy the sadistic streak it has as much. Now I'm kinda hooked on Argento tho and wanna finish at least watching all his "good" movies :D
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Three Colors: Blue (1993)
Undoubtedly some masterful cinematography, it's a good mix between realistic and more experimental & abstract passages. It does capture some notion of grief, and the constant repetition of the color blue & the musical motifs are excellently executed, but these very "conceptual" elements distracted me from engaging with the story more intimately.

Female Prisoner 701: Scorpion (1972)
An absolute classic of the good ol' "women in prison" genre. As expected from an exploitation/"pinku eiga" flick, there's a lot of nudity & violence, but it has some great direction and surreal sequences with expressive lighting which make it a joy to watch.
It spawned several sequels and remakes, and the main character is e.g. referenced/parodied in Sion Sono's Love Exposure.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Didn't like this one as much as I wanted to - Humphrey Bogart isn't too impressive in it (from a modern viewer's perspective he doesn't quite capture the paranoia of his character), the score is rather pompous & silly. Though it's still a fun movie due to the great performance of Walter Huston, the director John Huston's father (who deservedly got an Oscar for his role), and the poetic resolution of the ending. Thanks to whoever recommended it here!
On a film historical note, it's also quite interesting, since it was one of the first Hollywood productions shot almost entirely on location.

Jackie Brown (1997)
A fun watch, but rather forgettable. I appreciate Tarantino's sense for directing, e.g. the scene of Beaumont's murder is really great. But I just don't enjoy his sense of humor and whimsical approach to characters & dialogues too much.
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Quiz Show (1994)
Drama based on a real incident of fraud in a US TV quiz show in the 50s. Stylistically there's not much experimentation, pretty standard modern Hollywood fare, as is common with actors who turn to directing (in this case Robert Redford). But I really liked Ralph Fiennes & John Turturro in the main roles, although they're almost a bit too tailored for their respective roles.
The tragic ending was kinnda unexpected and a nice surprise, Lyle Lovett's rendition of the Mack the Knife song that plays during the credits also adds a nice solemn touch, I like it a lot even if it's mb a bit cheesy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSeoWFsp7Po

Barton Fink (1991)
Turturro has really impressed me now after seeing him play so wildly different role. Btw his performance here, Jesus in Big Lebowski, Herbie Stempel in the above Quiz Show, and as the protagonist in Fear X, it's quite an amazing range. Goodman is great here too ofc. Also very impressed with the sound design (all the different sounds through the walls), it must be even more intense in a cinema. Other than that I really liked many scenes, but the film didn't quite come together for me as a whole. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm not a big fan of the Coen bros.

The German Chainsaw Massacre (1990)
Absolutely ebin loose remake of the Texas variety of chainsaw massacres. The premise is that after the German reunification a West German butcher family starts turning the Ossies into sausages, which is of course something of an allegory of the economical effects of the reunification (even stated explicitly in a somewhat off-hand manner by one of the actors). But the movie doesn't dwell too much on this, it's just pure mayhem of the deliberately trashy variety, with blatant overacting (a majority of the cast are mainly stage actors), a flurry of sound fx, and cheap gore.
This movie could've been terrible, but I found it really entertaining.

Santa Sangre (1989)
Jodorowsky's comeback as a director after the failed production of his Dune. Compared to his other films, it's surprisingly straightforward & laced with references and ideas taken from other classic movies. Also some influences of Dario Argento carrying over, unsurprising since the movie was produced by his brother Claudio Argento. The symbolism is quite heavy-handed, but Jodorowsky's imagery is just one of a kind, e.g. the whole elephant funeral scene is just something you won't get in any other movie.
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>Das deutsche Kettensägenmassaker
Schlingensief was a gem, shame he got cancer and died.
And Udo Kier was great, as always. Granted, I watched it like 15 years ago drunk as fuck, but I remember it being more fun than TCM (at that time).
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PlayTime (1967)
Jacques Tati's masterpiece of visual comedy set in an absurdly drab, uniform & geometric set version of futuristic Paris.
It's loosely centered around Tati's Monsieur Hulot character, as well as some other recurring ones, but there's fairly little dialogue & story, it's mostly just a pile-up of visual, physical and other gags. Through it's very distinct visual style of filming from a far distance & keeping everything in focus (not unlike a surveillance camera perspective) the viewer needs to stay engaged and often has to search for the relevant action in a scene without the help of focus.
This was definitely a nice change of pace from the more thrilling movies I've watched recently.

Ravenous (1999)
A horror-comedy set in a mid-19th century outpost of the US Army, where one day a mysterious wounded man appears (masterfully played by Robert Carlyle) and cannibalism ensues. The score by Michael Nyman & Damon Albarn is quite unique, but a bit too ironic for my taste. While there's plenty of gore, I found the movie lacked in suspense, especially in the second half. Maybe it's better to view it more as a black comedy.

North by Northwest (1959)
Just extremely thrilling & fun throughout, no lack of romance either, I have to admit I share Hitchcock's obsession with his blondes. The ending scenes is some real sublime stuff. Mini-razor gag had me in stitches.

Do the Right Thing (1989)
Spike Lee's ensemble cast drama about escalating racial tensions on a Brooklyn block. Someone fittingly described it as a musical without singing, and that seems a fair description due to its quirky characters and colorful mise-en-scene. It's quite fun though the ending is ofc tragic - but it's ambiguous enough despite being a "social problem" film that it doesn't come off as overly didactic.

Don't know him that well tbh, mainly from the Helge Schneider film he codirected and a few yt clips from his TV appearances.
There's a documentary about him that came out last year, I'm kinda tempted to watch it. Did you happen to see it?
No. 57024
>There's a documentary about him that came out last year, I'm kinda tempted to watch it. Did you happen to see it?
No, haven't seen that. I knew him mainly from his art stuff (e.g. Church of Fear or his racist Big Brother event, which caused butthurt in the FPÖ (then again, what doesn't?)).
There was also a really good episode of "durch die Nacht mit..." with him and Michel Friedman. It came out shortly before Friedman's coke&hookers scandal.
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I wonder if you'd do a viewing and review of your countryman's finest, active horror artist 'Marian Dora'? He's probably one of the most impactful low budget directors I've ever experienced.

Something like 'Reise nach Agatis' (2010), would be the most straight forward to watch first, like Knife In The Water filmed on a 90s camcorder with less subtle implication and more direct force. Just the first 5 minutes are something special.

His short, 'Caribbean Sunrise' is kind of a taster to that.
No. 57055
>Marian Dora, where did I hear that na-
>oh, right, Melancholie der Engel
Shitty 2deep4u artsy fartsy bullshit. Also, he's an acquaintance of Uli Lommel, should tell you everything. Not review Ernst btw.
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Brother (1997) & Brother 2 (2000)

Rewatched these for the Xth time as I'm going through Balabanov's filmography (other reviews forthcoming). I love the first one, it works as a moody action drama but also has a good amount of subtext. Soundtrack by Nautlius holdy it together, and Bodrov Jr's performance is iconic in its simplicity. Also interesting to see how Balabanov recycles so many motifs and set pieces from his first feature movie Happy Days (1993) despite the glaring genre differences between action & arthouse film.
The second one is enjoyable as well, but mainly because every scene featuring Sukhorukov is just comedy gold. The story feels rather constructed though it's fun to see the parallels & differences drawn btw the portrayals of America & Russia. The more varied soundtrack is great as well, but the constant montage scenes end up feeling repetitive. Still think it's a worthy sequel, as it treats its own "sell-out" in a quite self-aware manner.

>episode of "durch die Nacht mit..." with him and Michel Friedman
Oh yeah, I ended up watching the "restaurant scene" on yt, but idk I didn't get much out of it.

> 'Reise nach Agatis' (2010)
Looks a bit too hardcore for me, but I'll put it on my watchlist and might give it a try if I'm in the mood.
Unsurprisingly there's a review on Soiled Sinema: http://www.soiledsinema.com/2013/07/reise-nach-agatis.html
That blog covers lots of gross stuff like that if you're into it, tbh it's a bit too edgy for me.
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>Looks a bit too hardcore for me
I can understand that. They don't make comfortable viewing but that's part of the point, I guess.
I think they do have a lot of merit besides just being disturbing and gruesome.

>Shitty 2deep4u artsy fartsy bullshit.
I'm sorry for you.
Then again, it's not a film i'd recommend to anyone lightly, not because it's shite but because it'll make you feel sick.
No. 57069
Okay, I'm intrigued... it's been ages since the last time I watched something along those lines.
I was pretty disappointed by Serbian Film when it was all the rage on imageboards...
I thought that Deadgirl did a much better job of exploring similar ideas.

I remember being somewhat shocked by August Undergrounds Mordum, but that was so long ago that I can't remember the first thing about it. Just that I couldn't see anything of value in it except the effort being put into the set design and make-up (relatively speaking for the budget).
No. 57070 Kontra
Oh please, almost three hours of pretentious "let's cite all those highschool reading writers and throw in some grossout stuff for good measure" is really nothing more than that. I bet you also think Jörg Buttgereit is a great artist.
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> almost three hours of pretentious "let's cite all those highschool reading writers and throw in some grossout stuff for good measure" is really nothing more than that.
I didn't really notice any references to writers, maybe i'm too pleb4u but I did find a rather gruelling meditation on life. I laughed at some fat bird getting shat on and winced at a cripple getting a finger in her colostomy hole. The whole experience was very visceral and I honestly feel like slightly changed after watching it.
If nothing else, Dora gets some nice shots with his crappy camcorders (of men masturbating into a lake at dawn).

>I bet you also think Jörg Buttgereit is a great artist.
You can't deny Nekromantic is a really cute film :3
Though I haven't seen anything else by him.

I'm not really a fan of gore for the sake of gore tbh. Maybe i read too much into Dora but I find his films weirdly satisfying, there's a bit of meat on the bones, on top of just looking and sounding nice.
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Balabanov cont'd.

Happy Days (1991)
His feature film debut about a lobotomized(?) guy wandering through the empty streets of St. Petersburg, based on a smorgasbrod of Beckett plays. The setting and b/w cinematography are great (there's a really nice crane shot where the camera moves up from the protagonist to show a view from over the roofs only to have the protagonsit reappear in the distance as if he'd teleported). Sukhorukov's performance is great and adds a bit of humor, but otherwise it's a rather prime example of what people would consider a pretentious arthouse film. Luckily Balabanov recycled a lot of the movie in his action-packed Brother.

Of Freaks and Men (1998)
Another b/w (or rather sepia) movie, it's set in pre-revolutionary Russia and somewhat styled after the silent movies of the era, including intertitles. The main characters include two upper-class families whose patriarchs belief in liberalism & scientific progress gets darkly subverted by the film's antiheroes - two nigh inhuman little men who run a rapidly expanding porn photography business.
Makovetsky's performance as the unflinching beady-eyed manchild Johann makes Sukhorukov for once seem like a normal guy in comparison.
Afaik Balabanov considered it his best movie, understandably so, it's definitely his most unique and probably the most dense in terms of symbolism & subtext.

Dead Man’s Bluff (2005)
Gangster comedy à la Tarantino or Guy Ritchie with eccentric characters & a deal going wrong set in 90's Russia. Nothing too substantial but it's a fun watch.

Cargo 200 (2007)
Thriller set in 80s USSR about a girl getting kidnapped & abused by an impotent & deranged policeman. There's some humorous elements, but mostly it's a really dark movie - probably not a single likable character in it, everyone is somehow complicit in something evil.
Loved the mostly cheerful rock soundtrack, it's a nice ironic contrast to the dark story, e.g. this track in particular (it's basically the theme that comes up whenever the professor of scientific atheism appears :D): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhicVuApJ9w
No. 57129
>Still think it's a worthy sequel, as it treats its own "sell-out" in a quite self-aware manner.
Maybe exclusively the selling out part, it's very tone-deaf and cringe when the message turns from "america isn't a magical paradise" to praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.

Need to watch the other Balabanov flicks you posted.
No. 57151
Why do all of you watch that pretentious artsy-fartsy crap? Just to appear 'intellectual'? Pathetic. Watch real movies that are ... like not boring, were stuff happens, maybe? With a plot? Not just some good looking guy walking through a city in black and white or a guy in a space-ship doing nothing. The black and white crap is the worst.

I mean come on. It's 2021 hello? We've had color movies for like what? 40 years or something? And you guys still watching that black and white crap?

I bet you don't even enjoy it, you just watch that ancient boring shit to pretend you are smart. You were unpopular in school, now you watch that crap to pretend to be someone, but you are still unpopular and everyone laughs about you watching that crap.

It's almost like the losers still reading books, pathetic.
No. 57152
Brick, is that you? Are you in a different state of mind again?
No. 57153 Kontra
>Look at me, I'm the peasant Pol Pot always wanted.

It's like current year, why are carry an anti-intellectual attitude from the last century?

It's almost like the losers still acting like certain right-wingers, pathetic.
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Argento edition.

The Bird with the Crystal Plumage (1970)
Argento's debut - already a great giallo, even if his style isn't fully developed here. Probably one of his most coherent storylines too!

The Cat o’ Nine Tails (1971)
Kinda disappointed by this one - the setting of a genetic institute seemed interesting but the story sprawls too much & the ending wasn't too satisfying. Doesn't help that it has probably one of the dullest protagonists, even if he's counterbalanced with a bunch of more eccentric characters. There's a few enjoyable eccentricities such as the milk carton scene or some of the more expressionist set designs (always love the stairwell shots) but overall imho it's the worst one of Argento's "golden era".

Inferno (1980)
Second movie (after Suspiria) of his Three Mothers trilogy. I loved the premise of the protagonists trying to investigate an alchemical book, though it ends up a bit underdeveloped. The story is a bit underdeveloped but it has some of his greatest murder scenes (and one of the funniest with the crippled guy who's trying to drown the cats, then falls into a lake to be eaten by rats, then screams for help only for a random hot dog stand owner to come and hack his head off). The expressive color lighting is also off the charts here, some amazing visuals rivaling those of Suspiria.

Tenebrae (1982)
About an author whose new thriller book (also titled "Tenebrae") inspires a copycat murderer, so there's some fun meta-commentary. Some consider it his best, and while I also enjoyed it, I prefer his more supernatural movies & female protagonists.

Suspiria (2018)
I just hope Argento got a solid paycheck for letting them use his name for this remake, since it's a pile of crap that has very little to do with the 1977 original. It's drab, boring and bloated, and to add insult to injury features a whiny soundtrack by Thom Yorke rather than Goblin's prog rock bangers. I wouldn't even mind that they change the setting or add some historical undertones - but if you do so at least do it right, I'm left puzzled by how the whole Nazi/RAF angle is supposed to tie in with the main story.
Just about the only thing I liked were the "nightmare" montages of gruesome images. The ending might be visually shocking and somewhat satisfying but it's not enough to justify how much the rest of the film drags.
Even disregarding the whole remake angle - imho the film stands only slightly better on its own.
For a modern take on Argento's style I'd rather watch Refn's Neon Demon.

>praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.
Yeah, I wonder about that. My impression is that he is at the same time pandering to and mocking the audience which uncritically reveled in the violence & patriotism of the first movie, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Would definitely recommend checking out his other films - they're usually more subtle & serious.
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Holy shit, your Nuspiria review is almost exactly what I wrote back then. I couldn't agree more.
I even watched this in the cinema because I love the original and thought "wow might be cool, also a reason to watch a horror film".
I was a bit perplexed by the change of setting, probably because Berlin is more glamorous than Freiburg im Breisgau, but yeah, whatever. During the bone dancing scene I thought "wow maybe this might be able to turn the corner", just for it to crash and burn horribly. Especially the laughably silly finale made me actually chuckle because it was so dumb. And yeah, the whole doctor subplot was unnecessary and had they cut it completely it would have improved the whole film because it would have shaven a whole bunch of time from this much too long flick.
I also have to mention again the shitty boring soundtrack. If it hadn't been done by Yorke people would have probably said "what is this boring elevator music and who is that castrate wailing there in the background?". That said, I don't like Radiohead, but even if I did I probably wouldn't have liked the soundtrack.
I was really mad when I left the cinema. Had they at least not called it Suspiria I could have accepted this as an okay-ish, albeit bit too long flick, but as a remake, it falls completely flat. Doesn't help that the main actress can't act for shit and not even Tilda Swinton can salvage that piece of shit. Also, Udo Kier is still alive, his presence alone would have made it better.

I have subsumed my impression of the whole film as
>horror film made by people who don't like horror films for people who don't like horror films

Btw how did you like Tenebrae's soundtrack? It's the only thing I know of the film and I love the title track.
No. 57165
Black and white films are a different experience. Almost like because of the lack of colours I see the movements and the sharp lines more clearly. This depends on the era and director of course.
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I wish I know what the vocoded voice is saying if it says something at all. Also that funky lead at 0:43, damn.

I think I already suggested this one a longer time ago to some Ernst. Or just mentioned it. I like the main theme that is an in-movie composition for a Giallo movie. There is a nice O'Henry twist, don't even remember it, but it was good I think.
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>Black and white films are a different experience.
Yes, a very boring experience.

>Almost like because of the lack of colours I see the movements and the sharp lines more clearly.
Maybe you should see an eye doctor? There's almost certainly something wrong with your vision. Maybe you Colo yourself?

>Pol Pot
I bet you know a lot about Pot, faggot.
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>I bet you know a lot about Pot, faggot.

Apparently more than you grape brained individual.
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Please guys, keep it civil.
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Nah, I don't watch movies, color or not.
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>Brother 2
Haha, must-watch for our self-hating American posters. Moreover it's nice well-made movie.

> Maybe exclusively the selling out part, it's very tone-deaf and cringe when the message turns from "america isn't a magical paradise" to praising some sort of intangible moral superiority that Russians supposedly have.
Being vatnique was considered counter culture and non-mainstream in 90-s. But meanwhile it was completely safe and socially acceptable. So no wonder that Balabanov (with many others) fell for this desire.
Later most of them abandonded these views when it stopped being edgy they saw that Russian bydlo is not the "noble savage" they imagined. But some didn't, for example Limonov before his death became frequenter of state funded TV shows where he hysterically demanded repressions against dissidents but this is rather a pathology tbh.
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The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West in the Land of the Bolsheviks (1924)
Quite entertaining propaganda film that satirizes the foreign perception of Bolsheviks. The main character is an American businessman who travels to Soviet Russia with his cowboy sidekick. Initially he gets scammed by group of decadents and thugs who pose as bolsheviks, but then ofc the real bolsheviks come and save him, so he writes to his wife that she should put up a portrait of Lenin in his office. Nothing too interesting visually, but it got some good laughs out of me & there's some pretty impressive action/chase sequences.

Strike (1925)
Eisenstein's first feature film about a worker's strike that gets violently suppressed. While I watched Battleship Potemkin some years back more out of a sense of duty of someone who's interested in film history, I really enjoyed this one since I had a better idea of what I was getting into. There's of course the impressive editing and other visual flourishes such as when purported photographs "come alive" or the informant characters who have animal nicknames get juxtaposed with the respective animals.
Admittedly, the story does feel a bit stretched out and it's somewhat hard to engage with it emotionally since there are no discernible protagonists rather than just "the workers/people". In any case that was one of the reasons Eisenstein got canned and since the 30s the straightforward socialist realism style prevailed in Soviet Cinema, such as in Chapayev (>>55044).

Bukharin - Enemy of the People (1991)
Somewhat obscure courtroom drama/thriller about Bukharin's trial. The main story concerns the staged trial but there are many flashbacks that show Bukharin from his youth onwards, a good part of it focusing on his relationship with Stalin, though sometimes the flashback also just consist of abstract images. The acting was suprisingly good and the extreme halation effect gives it an eerie unreal quality. The ending really stuck with me: Bukharin dressed in white is led through a dark corridor as a haunting soundtrack winds up while the sound of his steps fades out - then there are a few very brief flashbacks - and then he unceremonially gets shot in the back - THE END

>horror film made by people who don't like horror films for people who don't like horror films
Sums it up well, we're definitely on the same page about that one :D
I can kind of laugh about it, but on the other hand it depresses me that many modern movies suck so bad
> not even Tilda Swinton can salvage
Haha, I still can't get over the fact she played the old man as well. I thought I had spoilered myself by looking at the credits beforehand, but then it has no story relevance. Apparently they just went through all the make-up hassle because they didn't want to star an actual Old White Male? :D
>Udo Kier is still alive, his presence alone would have made it better.
Just started paying more attention to him after you mentioned him recently, he definitely has a bonkers filmography
>Btw how did you like Tenebrae's soundtrack?
It's great, I kinda have no ear for music but the theme is catchy and seemed familiar. Initially it reminded me of Daft Punk but it turns out that it was sampled by Justice on their track Phantom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoZ8l40RpeE - I listened to it a lot around the time it came out.
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>Haha, I still can't get over the fact she played the old man as well.
I must admit, I didn't notice until the very end. I was just wondering the whole time why they gave that old man such a weird voice (because "he" was also voiced by her regular VA).

>he definitely has a bonkers filmography
Roger Ebert once formulated the Stanton-Walsh rule, "no movie featuring either Harry Dean Stanton or M. Emmet Walsh in a supporting role can be altogether bad.".
I would say, the Kier rule says that every movie with Udo Kier in a supporting role is better than it would be without him.
Seriously, he has played in so much schlock, some of which would have been unbearable without him.
Take for example "Auf Herz und Nieren", a german black comedy thriller drama whatever about organ trafficking with Xavier Naidoo and that one dude who looks like he could be Til Schweiger's brother. Really shitty movie, but Udo Kier plays the ominous evil surgeon dude and it's laughable how much better of an actor he is than the rest of the cast (which is not that hard in a german production, but still).

Haven't listened to them in like ten years or so, but you're right, that's the sample.
No. 57233
We don't have self hating American posters. I might as well call you self hating for not thinking Putin is greatest leader, for not believing in Russian Federation, or for hating your dumb bydlo.
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There's no way this won't suck but i have hopes

No. 57266 Kontra
Why should this suck? Because you can't laugh about Bam behaving like a little bitch anymore?
I am looking forward to see how them changing their lives influences their stunts.
Let's just hope there won't be diarrhea volcanoes etc.
No. 57268
Why do you think it won't suck?

I guess i just really like the old episodes and movies for nostalgia reasons. This one has to prove itself without that benefit.
No. 57274 Kontra
Answer my question, as you seem to expect a decline in quality compared to the earlier ones.
I expect it to be the same as the others, which I also enjoyed, and I don't have any nostalgia at all except for the show itself.
No. 57275
Quality as in production quality? I'm sure that will be consistent.
I also never mentioned that i expect a decline in anything, i even mentioned the nostalgia. I already didn't like the 3rd movie as much and even here i blame the fact that i was in my 20s already more than the movie itself.

If you expect me to give you a reason why i think i might dislike it then i have to let you down.

I couldn't tell you why i disliked many movies that i actually saw. Sometimes there just isn't a reason for personal taste.
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Wouldn't be a simple answer that you aged and not everything that entertained you 10-15 years ago does the job today? I could compare it to food you ate as teen or child, you get all nostaligic about it but then try it and it is nothing like back then, because your taste buds have actually changed (some ingredients might have changed as well). Which is not a problem at all btw. It usually happens. Some people get entertained by the same stuff all their lives.

t. another German
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The Driver (1978)
Edgy neo-noir about a highly professional & stoic getaway driver. If that sounds familiar - it's probably cause Refn lifted the protagonist's character for his 2011 movie Drive, though except for a few scenes most of the story is different, here focussing on an arrogant detective (Bruce Dern) becoming obsessed with catching the "Driver".
Imho Ryan O'Neal's cool performance as a sort of over-grown James Dean is a better fit here than in his most famous role as Barry Lyndon & Isabelle Adjani is great as always.

The Wild Bunch (1969)
Sam Peckinpah's Western masterpiece about a band of outlaws at the end of their careers, paralleling the end of the genre of Western movies - Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid has some similar themes & was also released the same year.
The gang goes for one last heist which leads to a free-for-all bloodbath. I liked the melancholic tone pierced with some portrayals of male camaraderie & of course the copious amounts of raw & stylized violence.

His Girl Friday (1940)
About a female journalist that wants to quit the business but gets manipulated by her ex-boss (who's also her ex-husband) to do one last job. It's famous for its extremely fast-paced delivery by the actors, but while technically impressive I found their incessant yapping immensely annoying.

Keep Cool (1997)
After watching Zhang Yimou's Raise the Red Lantern with its static & perfected cinematography this was a complete surprise with its frenetic hand-held camera movements & wild editing with constant jump-cuts.
Initially this seemed to owe quite a lot to Wong Kar-Wai with the usage of fish eye lenses and the romance plot between slightly odd characters. But the plot soon turns into a much different direction, focussing on the unlikely friendship between a young nigh-illiterate book seller (apparently it was a popular business venture in 90s China - similar to Russia) & a middle-aged man whose laptop the book seller has broken in a brawl.
Hilarity ensues as they both end up in turns unsuccessfully arguing for the other to "keep their cool".
Thx to Spain Ernst for the recommendation!

>Roger Ebert once formulated the Stanton-Walsh rule
>the Kier rule says that every movie with Udo Kier in a supporting role is better than it would be without him.
That's a good one :D
I'm kinda intrigued to watch the movie where this clip with him in a main role is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7kYBNL8Rg
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>The Driver (1978)

I remeber watching this 11 years ago or so, when I was frenetically downloading movies from OSH, due to a friend having a payed for unlimite downloads. As kid I loved the Driver Game and I thnk even back then I thought about connections between movie and videogame. I guess the game is at least losely based on the movie, in the game you only play the role of the getaway driver in the 1970s an that is it basically.
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I was filtered from Drivers because of a mandatory tutorial that doesn't explain to you how to play and I was too lazy to figure it out.
You may try to watch the "Grad theft auto" movie from the 70s btw.
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>Loved the mostly cheerful rock soundtrack, it's a nice ironic contrast to the dark story, e.g. this track in particular (it's basically the theme that comes up whenever the professor of scientific atheism appears :D): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhicVuApJ9w
Yes, also liked it. The point is to show contrast between facade of soviet society and reality. Same with old woman watching TV while there are rotting corpses in next room.