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No. 64160 Systemkontra
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No. 64161
Actual previous: >>63356
Fucking linked lists.
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No. 64165
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I suggest that from now on every post on this board should be peer-reviewed, otherwise we would have to deal we unscientific nonsense and trivialities so obvious they are insults to scientific rationality and its might, the rationality that leads to truth, and then subsequently to the good and beautiful.
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>>64165
The humanity been trying to create a perfect society that you have discribed for many millenia.
Every time it leads to inbreeding and subsequent collapse.
Open society = k*hl or 4kanker
Closed society = slowposting and death

It has to be in the middle. We accept newfriends but we don't accept too many and ban low quality shitposters if they go too far.
Maybe THAT is the way.
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No. 64174 Kontra
I mean you are obviously butthurt about scientists for some reason and also shitposting, but even if you were being serious, it would be a really dumb take.
You are insinuating science and art are mutually exclusive and kind of diametrically opposed on opposite sides of some scale, but that's just not true.

One of the greatest artists of all time was also one of the greatest engineers of his time.
Goethe conducted scientific experiments.
Lewis Carroll was a mathematician by trade.
What about the Golden Ratio?
Devising new theories and drawing conclusions warrants a high degree of creativity.

Thus your posts come off as the butthurt ramblings of some kind of "modern" artist (i.e. a talentless parasite who can't even do "art" properly) who is butthurt that his turd on canvas as protest against the much too high toilet paper consumption is rightfully ridiculed. Or maybe a chemicist stole your girl?
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No. 64176
>Art, therefore, is recognizing and practical realizing of things that science cannot.
True art (not to be confused with skilled craftmanship, which can be used to create art however) never is the realisation, because it always preceeds it or otherwise it loses its appeal as the harbringer of the not yet understood. Once art becomes fully understandable it decays into mere historical data.
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No. 64178
>>64176
This warrants approaching art solely by logos though, which is just wrong. Art has to appeal first and foremost to pathos and should be approached in this way.
So obviously if you are trying to "understand" art in a purely cerebral way, obviously you will never "understand" it. And this is why critics and "experts" are usually such a bunch of idiots. They can only judge the form, and as you mentioned, the craftsmanship.
However, if you manage to penetrate a work of art with your feelings, you will gain a profound understanding. This, however, will not merely make it "historical data", but instead have you gain something, which can be an enrichment of your soul, so to say.
Of course even a layman can see though that e.g. walking around and having strangers fondle your pussy doesn't have anything to do with craftsmanship or actual soul-enriching feelings.
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No. 64179
>>64174
>You are insinuating science and art are mutually exclusive and kind of diametrically opposed on opposite sides of some scale, but that's just not true.

I don't and never did. My take never excluded science in art or vice versa. And yet there are differentiated via a boundary that separates them from each other. I'm interested in boundaries and boundary-making, I'm less interested in polarities, more in residing on the boundary that creates the difference and its potential movement. If you think I'm opposed to science, you making yourself a wrong picture of me, you draw boundaries into that picture of me that don't align with my own thoughts.

>some kind of "modern" artist (i.e. a talentless parasite who can't even do "art" properly)

Modern artists are not per see people that make art about what is art. And why is it always that example feces? It's a bad example to represent modern art. You seem to imply that artists that don't have skills to make art that is considered realism (mere mimesis), are not artists. You completely forget concepts and their role in art. For somebody that is fond of mathematics as a creative enterprise (which I agree on), you make yourself look uneducated. Furthermore, it makes you look butthurt as hell, did a modern artist stole your gf?
Jokes aside: Your post reveals a boundary-making practice on what is art and it is very narrow, it boils down to skillful mimesis. Boring, you can use a photo camera these days. That is what I meant with experimentation, it is exactly leaving the realm or simple representation, of skillful recreation, but the attempt of leaving the space of the already thought and the already there. If you don't think that takes skills, I'm lost. Maybe you don't have these skills? At least it seems something more or less impossible to you, experimentation is poopy kaka urine turd and thing else, right? I'm sure we all had to laugh at this brilliant piece of humor, responding to something with fecal is so deeply human after all. Maybe the modern turd artists reveals not toilet paper troubes but something deeply human with his focus on feces, after all you cannot turn away from him and his feces, a well of fascination :)

>>64176
>True art (not to be confused with skilled craftmanship, which can be used to create art however) never is the realisation

I think the experiment as artistic practice is open enough at this point to say that an ongoing experimentation is needed thus it never realizes itself fully, it always drags the virtual space with it that also encompasses the not yet understood.
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>>64179
>I don't and never did.
>a boundary that separates them from each other
Merkste selbst, ne?

> You seem to imply that artists that don't have skills to make art that is considered realism (mere mimesis)
Yeah I expected that argument. Hence the "talentless". I would never dare to criticize Picasso, but the difference between Picasso and those modern "artists" (I hope I now set the quotation marks in a more understandable fashion) is that Picasso did what the did because he wanted to. The people I am talking about couldn't even draw a hand if their life depended on it.
Take pic related for example. Hangs in the National Portrait Gallery. The only reason it hangs there is because the guy who drew it is famous. If I had drawn this - and it would most likely look similar - nobody would care. But it fits, the dude got famous by destroying stuff. Art is about creating, not destroying.

But to come back to the craftsmanship thing, and that is also what you said,
>but the attempt of leaving the space of the already thought and the already there
Because how can you leave any space if you haven't been there? Picasso was simply bored by realism despite being able to.

And it seems my fecal art makes you uncomfortable, else you would actually be able to appreciate me leaving the boundaries of this inherently sanitized imageboard (a we will never breath or spit at each other), and instead remind you of the very excrements that are the imperative end of all sustencance. Are you afraid of death? Why are you ridiculing my art?
Also, your comment about photography shows a great lack of understanding on your side and makes you in turn look uneducated.

So maybe a biologist stole your girl?

Also, I have never heard of that meme that physicists think they are better than everyone else, can you provide any examples?
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No. 64181
I will only contribute to this discussion by saying that I had an artsy friend who said that hyperrealistic painting is not art, because it is merely technique and copying and image. He was a photographer
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No. 64183
>>64180
>Merkste selbst, ne?

Und du merkst wohl nicht viel. Diese Grenze ist nicht von mir allein festgelegt, ich spreche von einer Grenze, nicht von einer von mir gezogenen Grenze, die beides trennt. Um es nochmal zu verdeutlichen: mich interssieren Grenzen, die anscheindend dazu beitragen, ein Sache überhaupt erst zu konstituieren. Das bedeutet Kunst und Wissenschaft interessieren mich vor allem in ihrem (variablen) Verhältnis. Natürlich auch "an sich", aber die Grenze und deren Porösität oder Variabilität noch mehr.

>Because how can you leave any space if you haven't been there?

So all space you have to start from is drawing/painting and its realist representational efforts? I think we already have a problem between confusing art and fine arts.

>Picasso was simply bored by realism despite being able to.

And why is it not possible to be bored of realism in the first hand, maybe some artists don't even want to operate in realism? I don't think you need skills in realism to do art. Just to be clear here, I know many art(ists) that gives me nothing. Not every art that has some audience has to be thrilling to oneself. To you, art is about technicality it seems. Tells more about you than about art I guess. No doubt technicality is important, but to base it all on a techne that is mimesis has no real grounding, just because it was important during certain periods in human art history.

>your comment about photography shows a great lack of understanding on your side and makes you in turn look uneducated.

:DD can we say touche now? This was a provocation of course. Though in art history the advent of photography is considered as a motor for change in artists practices and styles etc. away from realism.

Regarding the meme, google for physicists and arrogance or pretentiousness.
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>>64180
> pic
Looks like amateur painting of New Jersey woman.

> I have never heard of that meme that physicists think they are better than everyone else
Ah, it's a common thing. He is himself sure that physicists are better than everyone else, frustrated by that so he tries to argue with himself and claims that it's physicists who have such opinion. Many such cases (about different groups of people).
I'm personally not physicist, but I think that they are better than "modern artists". Anyone can stick banana to a wall and call it art. If they make money out of it I respect them as successful scammers but no more than that.

Also I think "modern art" is too broad term, just like "philosophy" for example. It mostly contains bullshit, but it also contains some great and important things. And there are no strict criteria to distinguish these two. This is what I wanted to say but then failed to come up with examples of good "modern art". if art brut does not count OK, then it's entirely bullshit, I guess. I'll change my mind if I recall something valuable.

BTW do you remember how random guy wrote "Epstein didn't kill himself" on that wall with banana and gallery owners erased the label? Very brave, very provocative, very experimental.
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No. 64185
>>64178
>However, if you manage to penetrate a work of art with your feelings, you will gain a profound understanding. This, however, will not merely make it "historical data", but instead have you gain something, which can be an enrichment of your soul, so to say.
I agree, but I meant historical data not on an individual level: in a society of believers religious art will stroke its recipients with a conceived truth than in a secular society which developed out of it will not be felt anymore and it therefore can be categorized arechologically. Of course it may still ewoke deep feelings, but it now does so differently. To me the quality of art lies within its ability to create a portal with just the right amount of mysticism.
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No. 64188
>>64183
>die beides trennt.
What is "separates them", then? It doesn't matter who draws the boundary.
Also, from the way you are writing it seems to me that you understand boundaries as coming before what they are separating (and thus starting the separation process in the first place) and not just developing from separation processes. But there's a reason you can't be a true polymath anymore today.

>And why is it not possible to be bored of realism in the first hand,
Never said it wasn't. And frankly, I was being a bit polemic here. My point was the "because he wanted to", not because he couldn't do anything else.
>I don't think you need skills in realism to do art.
Yeah me neither, but I think you definitely do need ANY skill at all.
Why is it that the fine arts always get a pass when it comes to craftsmanship, whereas in literature, music and every other field you are expected to have at least some basic skills? Learning three chords on the guitar is not harder than learning the basics of image composition (which also belongs to "technicality"), for example.
Probably because you can't launder money as easily with operas (or even just the most basic punk songs) or books.
But yeah, that's probably more of a problem of the industry enabling talentless hacks, but it's a problem basically exclusive to the fine arts, hence my focus on them.
So yes, in a way art is always about technicality - to a certain extent. How about you give me an example of a piece of art without technicality or skills that you like and why you like it?

>Regarding the meme, google for physicists and arrogance or pretentiousness.
Did that, found nothing but figureheads bickering and the odd butthurt "hurr why do physicists look down on [MY FIELD]". I can also give anecdotal evidence like that one lecturer who held a Dr. iur. or something who considered the humanities, in particular history and law, to be the pinnacle of everything and thought the natural sciences to be irrelevant and beneath him. It takes all kinds, you know...

>>64185
>Of course it may still ewoke deep feelings, but it now does so differently.
Yes and that's the point. Even if you're not a christian, you can still "get" Da Vinci's Last Supper. And to refer to the reply to the other poster, the composition of the image plays a big role there. Its impact is not much lessened by any kind of parody and the style of whoever produces that parody.
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No. 64191
>>64188
>that you understand boundaries as coming before what they are separating (and thus starting the separation process in the first place) and not just developing from separation processes.

Well, that is tricky and paradox, the separation process is what is primary. Making distinctions is necessary to even operate as a human being it seems. So yeah, things are constituted by distinction, they are not in themselves what they are out of nothing, you could potentially even apply that distinction making to matter.

>but I think you definitely do need ANY skill at all.

Me too, hence
>give me an example of a piece of art without technicality or skills that you like and why you like it?

could not be provided. Art I value usually I attribute a certain skill to. Therefore I cannot give such an example you are looking for this was never an option for me.

>It takes all kinds, you know...

Well, I neither think humanities nor natural science nor art are superior to each other, I'm interested, you guessed it, about their relation to each other, how they interfere, how boundaries are drawn and broken/shifted. But I despise people that think their field is the only one necessary or valuable, they usually are very narrow-minded, because they lack either imagination or openness to entertain thoughts or objects of inquiry from another discipline. I like the notion of interdisciplinary and knowledge ecologies (don't know if this actually exists but I think it's a nice little borrowing of a concept). I'm interested in how things are thought, in art, STEM, and the humanities. I'm interested in how they operate and how they relate. This is not an attempt of being a polymath, I cannot archive that. It is still a perspective and cannot say if that is philosophical or what exactly. It is a way of thinking things to be very abstract.

What you also don't seem to know and is worthy of a debate that would need some research as I myself haven't gotten to deep into it, is art as research. The artwork then is presented as the result of research and perhaps aims at something. The problem is, that you as interested in that art need to know about the research process just as in any scientific endeavor. So that sort of art requires an engagement with the artwork and its process, not just with a result. Now you can argue that art should be not like that but easily understandable for everybody and express common values or whatever. Thing is, all these art normative claims about art. But I'm not interested in discussions about what art should be and why a face that is not drawn realistic as no right to exist. I'm interested in how art has shifted and why and how that relates to the time and why it might be useful or cool that art shifted like that instead of making moral arguments/arguments about tradition. But on this board, you can only get the latter. Because people never really engage in art or art history, they never take the object serious enough to do some research and reading about the art they think they talk about but often don't. It's either feced or banana on the wall as if art comes down to these to examples. They are countless of art(works) Ernst knows shit about. He never cared to look through the many thousands of possibilities of creating art, but instead jumbles together some imagebaord memes. Many people talk about art as if they know it all and all they know is some moralistic bs.
It's funny when we talk of butthurt on this and that side of the pond and how people talk badly about other people and their fields without knowing shit, but doing exactly this.
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>>64188
>How about you give me an example of a piece of art without technicality or skills that you like and why you like it?
Riopelle in the 50s would pass tbh since despite having classical training, he was deliberately creating by chance, simply throwing his pigments at a canvas with knives until he liked it. I saw one in Sydney a few years back.

>"When I begin a painting," he said, "I always hope to complete it in a few strokes, starting with the first colours I daub down anywhere and anyhow. But it never works, so I add more, without realizing it. I have never wanted to paint thickly, paint tubes are much too expensive. But one way or another, the painting has to be done. When I learn how to paint better, I will paint less thickly."[11] This aspect of the "unintentional" is in keeping with Riopelle's interest in Surrealism and using "absolute chance" to create art.

It's ebin because it's a raw 'thing' that really defies proper wording. It's the experience of itself, and doesn't translate to digital well because he is famous in this period for using loads of paint and having texture out the arse on the canvas. In person, it's a quite visceral style that definitely sends a message. It doesn't necessarily 'mean' anything but meaning in art is a spook tbh. I'm with brick when he says that art is often about communicating an experience rather than trying to dissect meaning from something.
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No. 64193
>>64188
>How about you give me an example of a piece of art without technicality or skills that you like and why you like it?
If you like it, it probably takes some skill. Making art people like is a skill :DD
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No. 64194 Kontra
>>64192
Just a note, Riopelle is extremely talented as an artist, and there is some big brain theory behind this period of painting, alongside a lot of context from his local scene at the time, but this is about as close as I can go to something 'without skill or technicality' because it's the artist deliberately trying to reject both.
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No. 64195
>>64180
>Art is about creating, not destroying.
Yes but the postmodern is about destroying.
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No. 64196
>>64191
>But I despise people that think their field is the only one necessary or valuable, they usually are very narrow-minded, because they lack either imagination or openness to entertain thoughts or objects of inquiry from another discipline
Well, out of my experience, I can tell you that I have never met such people, and I have met people from all out of STEM. In fact most people I know are creative, outgoing and very open to new experiences, to think outside the box (especially in order to prevent becoming a total Fachidiot) and can appreciate art of any kind.
So my guess is you are either being prejudiced for some reason or jumbling together some imageboard memes OR confuse methodolocigal criticism with arrogance (or maybe some STEM chad really did steal your girl).
For example, if I look down on sociology, I don't do that because I consider the field per se worthless - in fact, with a growing and more interconnected earth population it should rather rise in importance - but because their methodology is not sound.
Questionnaires are an inherently flawed tool, the way they treat statistics is appalling (especially considering how they try to make generalized statements concerning society out of only a literal handful of samples) and as long as Sokal/Grievance can happen I can and will not take them seriously.
And that may look like arrogance from the outside, but it's not. It's the sentiment that whatever calls itself "science" should be approached as such.
I know we're now looping back to the "idealism in science and how economical interests steer research blablabla", but even in a vacuum that point would still stand.

>I'm interested in how art has shifted and why and how that relates to the time and why it might be useful or cool that art shifted like that instead of
Who don't you make a thread or an according post, then? You started this discussion by deriding "science" in a rather butthurt sounding and provocative shitpost, what did you expect? Especially in these times when we see what happens when a particular brand of science scepticism becomes popular.

> It's either feced or banana on the wall as if art comes down to these to examples. They are countless of art(works) Ernst knows shit about. He never cared to look through the many thousands of possibilities of creating art, but instead jumbles together some imagebaord memes. Many people talk about art as if they know it all and all they know is some moralistic bs.
As said, lead by example then. Present a piece of art you did your research on, show us how art has changed, what obscure ways of creating art there are and why this knowledge is useful. So far all you have produced is hot air and empty criticism.
You could make a thread where you talk about the stuff you found, different pieces, different styles, how they have influenced each other and what has influenced them, whatever you were going about.
I remember a thread for example on old KC where someone was talking about the french kings since Charlemagne, including lineage and all that. I am not particularly interested in monarchy and its history, but I appreciated the autistic effort.

The stage is yours.
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No. 64198
>>64194
I think it would be interesting to have a layman who doesn't have anything to do with this guy try to copy one of these works and see if people can detect the difference.
For example, I would expect different people to stop at different "stages" and declare the work finished. This alone means there is no "absolute chance" in creating such a piece. Absolute chance would probably mean having an ideal die and doing anything based on the rolls, although obviously there is already a bias in choosing what exactly should be done when a certain roll occurs.
In fact, I can't think of a properly random way of doing anything right now.
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No. 64199
>>64196
Sokal is honestly more indicative of problems within academic structures than in any particular field. I know for a fact, that plaigarised work exists in STEM journals because a doctor stole almost an entire chapter of work from my sister a few years back and published it under their own name (as in, she wasn't even included in the list of contributors, let alone any position of authorship). Nobody questioned why a medical doctor was suddenly able to include high level theory from a field that they weren't in.

Academic publishing is built on the backbone of unpaid labour by overworked authors. No matter what way you look at it, it's ripe for bad faith actions to pass through if they really want to.

Also
>Questionnaires are an inherently flawed tool, the way they treat statistics is appalling (especially considering how they try to make generalized statements concerning society out of only a literal handful of samples)
You're conflating two completely different methodologies within Sociology here. Quantitative and Qualitative research don't really cross over that much from what I've gathered from my sister's talk on the subject (she being in that field). The former tries to create more generalised statements but uses more statistical theory, while the latter is very open about /not/ drawing generalised conclusions and opts to investigate very small-scale phenomenon using interviews etc. She is currently working with government data surrounding parental leave uptake from men for example, which is in a qualitative format. The paper draft that I've read is explicit in rejecting the idea that the findings can be extrapolated beyond the data examined.
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No. 64200
>>64198
So what constitutes something without technique or skill then? If something with that is being done on the principle of rejecting these is insufficient, please tell me what counts?

Is it the banana on the wall thing? Because that actually hits for me too because it's part of a school I consider ebin (Conceptualism) which is part of Postmodernism's rejection of traditional concepts of art (the art in the case of the banana is not the object itself, but rather the 'idea' of the banana and its effects on people, the conception of the object is the art being crafted, and not the artistic property of the object itself).
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No. 64201
>>64188
>Yes and that's the point. Even if you're not a christian, you can still "get" Da Vinci's Last Supper.
But that's where I disagree. Once you fully understand a piece of art it stops being art in the narrowest term of the sense, because the lack of a full rational understanding is what leaves room for the "magical" ability for art to be recognized as art and not a different form of human creation. There is meaning in art but we can just sense it. And as such an atheist can't sense a piece of art like a true believing christian, so art is bound to be somewhat contemporary because it foreshadows a higher plane.

Obviously there are more profane ways to describe art, but that kind of art to me is a different thing, which doesn't make it bad or anything.
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No. 64202
>>64199
Sokal wasn't about plagiarizing though, and the medical field is known to be filled with cheaters (for example in Germany the Dr. title is just a formal thing, you can be a Dr. and not be allowed to work as a doctor, and you can be working as a doctor without having a title).

I agree though on the notion about academic publishing. I have actually been thinking about starting some kind of open source peer review journal system, because reviewers don't get any money anway, so why not cut out the publisher middleman right away?

>The paper draft that I've read is explicit in rejecting the idea that the findings can be extrapolated beyond the data examined.
That is exactly how it's supposed to be.
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No. 64203
>>64201
> Once you fully understand a piece of art it stops being art in the narrowest term of the sense, because the lack of a full rational understanding is what leaves room for the "magical" ability for art to be recognized as art and not a different form of human creation.
So art is something divine for you? Or more general, what is your definition of "art"?
But I disagree anyway. Gaining a better understanding of anything doesn't necessarily mean losing its magic, in fact you can gain other levels. I understand how photosynthesis works, how the colors of a flower are generated in my retina and how the smell of the pillow she used enters my brain, but nothing of that lessens my appreciation for the sunflower or makes me not blindly love my gf anymore.
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No. 64204
>>64200
>If something with that is being done on the principle of rejecting these
The problem here is that you still have a trained and skilled person doing it, thus their bias will be a different one. They might not even do it consciously, but their approach will certainly be different.

But yeah, Postmodernism is a good example, provided we even consider those products "art". Art always has to speak for itself. If it needs to be explained, it's not art. If it is, my pee pee poo poo poem is equally as much art as the taped banana because I can asspull a deep profound sounding manifesto too, although even this piece is not without skill, as I was making sure with was rhyming, and then ended with an in-your-face mirroring of the second-to-last line that completely flipped everything on its head. I did this out of rejection for the postmodernists' rejection of traditional concepts of art and send it right back at them. DO YOU GET IT MAN?!
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No. 64205
>>64202
>Sokal wasn't about plagiarizing though
But they're both symptoms of the same illness. The specfic type of bad-faith action isn't as relevant imo as the fact that those wishing to find a hole in the academic process will very easily discover them. It's not like plaigarism is something considered acceptable in academic publishing after all.

I agree that an alternative needs to come about. Though I doubt that change can be effective with the way we currently treat research as a society. Too much of it is tied to monetary valuation of research, so while publishing might get cleaned up, the motivation for bad-faith action in general (funding is a zero-sum game, whether people like to acknowledge that or not) will remain a wedge between fields until that profit-driven research philosophy is dead and buried. Would make for some hella big dick research when it does happen though. Can go on the philosophical offensive then and really start pushing boundaries instead of having to tailor projects towards getting grants.

>That is exactly how it's supposed to be.
Which is why your conflation of two different methodologies as one as I said is flawed. Quantitative Sociology is data-driven modeling closer to statistics (where some limited predictions given with the caveat of being predictions based on models and given data), while Qualitative Sociology is what I described there (and isn't attempting to model anything, simply apply theoretical lenses to complex non-numerical data). What you described was Qualitative Methods with Quantitative goals which is widely considered dogshit practice within the field.

There is a lot to criticise within that broader department (the cop-criminology connections are shady as fuck and very opaque, another victim of funding imo), but what I quoted isn't an accurate representation of any major problem that I'm aware of, as someone who gets a lot of the inside scoop of the HASS departments in Australia at least.
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If art represents some subjective feeling of the artist that nobody can understand and there exists a million interpretations, is it art or it's just nothing?
If art is a perfect copy of the reality is it art or a mere copy?

Is art about reality, about feelings, or it's a fusion of both?

Are pic related art?
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No. 64207 Kontra
>>64205
>remain a wedge between fields
And honestly, a wedge between academics too now that I think about it. I'm sure there are schools within STEM subjects (especially once you start getting into the more esoteric fuckery at the cutting edge where there are competing opinions), even if I'm not exposed to them. Kind of like how I can name a dozen camps within the modern field of history, despite them not really being visible unless you are actively looking for them in many cases. EP Thompson is incredibly influential, and whose work is within the Marxist school, even though a layman might not read it as such.
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>>64206
>Is art about reality, about feelings, or it's a fusion of both?
Yes
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No. 64209
>>64205
> Too much of it is tied to monetary valuation of research,
You know, that is actually a reason why I left academic research.
I am too much of an idealist. Research should be free, which it isn't. Funding is usually lacking and americans have brought "publish or perish" upon us, which also directly influences paper quality. Also how it's fallen out of style to publish negative results (knowing something DOESN'T work is also valuable knowledge). I could go on about this for hours, so I'm stopping now.
I went into the industry because there I at least am aware upfront that it's all about the money; and I get paid better while I'm at it. If they ever manage to get research independent again I will be gladly going back again.

>What you described was Qualitative Methods with Quantitative goals which is widely considered dogshit practice within the field.
Ah, now I see the problem. I wasn't putting it all together, those were different examples from different occasions I have witnessed. Of course I didn't mean everyone does all of this all the time.
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No. 64211
>>64203
>Gaining a better understanding of anything doesn't necessarily mean losing its magic, in fact you can gain other levels.
It means losing specifically the magic (not necessarily appeal, beauty and such things), but that's how you gain the other levels because in them this magic is still "real" because those new levels are not yet understood. This however is just it's way of progression. Art needs to grasp for this magic, but like with catching a butterfly it might die in the precise moment you get hold of it, as you "get" it.
I would not call this devine, maybe it's about human states of cognition with "art" and "understanding" being sort of dialectical pairs.
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No. 64212
>>64205
Sokal wasn't just about bad faith actors.
It is possible to sincerely write meaningless bullshit. Deranged people look at what scientists, artists, entrepreneurs or philosophers do, copy most obvious traits of their activities but don't get the core.
I know a man who larps as businessman. We all know that entrepreneurs travel a lot, try to get connections with officials, use specific lexicon and talk about specific topics. So he does all the same things but doesn't actually run any profitable real busyness. Nor his ramblings make any sense.
Is he profiting of such behavior? No, only loses. He's fucking schizo.
I'm pretty sure that majority of grievance studies scholars are honest and sincere as well. They are just braindead from veganism, so they truly think that they are doing a good thing by repeating "commoditisation", "objectification" and "private power manifestation" until capitalism magically collapses from that and they find themselves in fully automated luxury gay space communism.
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>>64208
If yes then what else is a fusion of logic and feelings?
Is it a human?
If so, should art be about humans? About life itself?
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No. 64214
>>64196
> I have met people from all out of STEM. In fact most people I know are creative, outgoing and very open to new experiences, to think outside the box (especially in order to prevent becoming a total Fachidiot) and can appreciate art of any kind.

You are the example btw and the Russian. Art is not science, remember? Yet you have strong opinion on art even though you did not engage deeply in art or art history, you are a STEM academic. You know exactly what art is and what it is not. But the problem to me seems that you are going at it with a STEM mindset, that is strong distinct determinations and nothing else counts. Polysemy is a sin to you it seems, but then you shouldn't talk about art or that you know art when you cannot handle polysemy.

>For example, if I look down on sociology, I don't do that because I consider the field per se worthless - in fact, with a growing and more interconnected earth population it should rather rise in importance - but because their methodology is not sound.

What exactly should the methods of the social sciences and humanities (and art?) look like? The objects are different to STEM objects, which is first of all matter and its movement. It's an old debate we are having, but it is possible to apply STEM methods to the objects of these other disciplines? There is this weird authoritarian claim of STEM to judge everything from their position that is also perceived as autonomous, absent of any culture or sociality. And you wonder where the arrogance comes from? The arrogance comes not from you checking and being right, the arrogance coming from you and your peers having the only solutions and methods being worth going through. Subject and object are strictly separated. And sciences need this distinction in order to operate. Humanities cannot really uphold this distinction, they even interrogate this distinction as a cultural phenomenon. The sciences can be an object of other disciplines, but sciences get furious when they themselves become the object, because they are the ones who know best, even about themselves. I remember you saying that everything is obvious to you ofc as you work in the science yourself, but I doubt it.

>Sokal/Grievance can happen I can and will not take them seriously.

And because some papers got through that are made on purpose like that everything else published is equally bad? That is what you seem to imply. You treat these disciplines as if you know them inside out but you seem to know most of it via the Sokal/Sokal², what has it done other than being an obstacle to serious debate? It's shit flinging. Other than that I think that Sokal and Bricmont did not get the argument oftentimes but instead went for mathematical and scientific precision in arguments. They might be right about these, but did they consider the argument in which these appear? How are the concepts used, what happens when concepts and knowledge is used outside of STEM? All these things seem unanswered, instead of engagement with the source their is some ut of context nosey got you.

>It's the sentiment that whatever calls itself "science" should be approached as such.

Aha. And here we are at boundary-making again. Science boundaries are only set by scientists themselves any contestation is met with furry as it threatens authority.

>You started this discussion by deriding "science"
>deriding

It's funny, you have been butthurt about my post it seems. But I did not deride science, I was pointing to possible limits of science, and it seems like you cannot take that science has a limit, a limit of explaining things. Just because STEM has limits does not mean it has no value, it has great value for what it seems to be.

>So far all you have produced is hot air and empty criticism.

Do you want to pretend the art criticism was anything else but empty hot air?

>Present a piece of art you did your research on, show us how art has changed, what obscure ways of creating art there are and why this knowledge is useful.

Indeed art as research (one possibility of art) would be about understanding things, about knowing things in a specific way. But I'm not sure if that is useful, because I suspect you to judge it from a point of scientific rationalism and its take on methodology, a position that excludes any other knowledge not acquired with the same method as useless and not precise or whatever it is. What we know as science today is by its common self understanding the only way to know and know right.
I will provide you with a simple example that goes against scientific rationality. Modern literature in literary historic understanding, which includes Kafka, Joyce, Woolf and others stress the fragment, the fragmentary of knowledge. These books are among other things about what we know and how we can know and that this is fragmentary. Hence Kafka's novels have been fragments themselves, the form mirrors the content in that sense and demonstrates an insight (art)practically. It goes against an understanding from origin(begin to end. A linear understanding that can be found in science as well: we accumulate knowledge over time and one day we will potentially know all. This has been contested by others ofc.
I think physicalism might be an example https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/physicalism/ when everything is physical, it can all potentially be explained and known by the discipline that is physics.
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No. 64215
>>64203
>in fact you can gain other levels. I understand how photosynthesis works, how the colors of a flower are generated in my retina and how the smell of the pillow she used enters my brain, but nothing of that lessens my appreciation for the sunflower or makes me not blindly love my gf anymore.

I think this is an interesting statement. While you reduce phenomena/things to physical and chemical processes you also seem to take these phenomena/things as a whole. Could we say that an object/phenomena/thing/process can be understood from different angles?
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No. 64216
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>muh sokal
Remind me how many bogus bogus "standard model destroying" elementary particles have been "discovered" so far?
Fusion power coming yet?
How about the entire field of CompSci being a complete joke ever since it ran out of gas in the 60s?

Mind you this type of zero results academic scams take up way more funding and human hours than anything in humanities.
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No. 64217 Kontra
>>64209
>Also how it's fallen out of style to publish negative results (knowing something DOESN'T work is also valuable knowledge).

Did I encounter this last week as publication bias?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias

I stumbled upon it when I read on how certain things are taken for granted and then results are only published when you have a positive finding on what you've take for granted anyway.
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No. 64218
>>64215
I thought it was rather funny that none of those things are related to what is commonly seen as art, unless someone would make art to capture the beauty of the sunflower, but indeed in a way to science. I understand it was meant as an example though. The essence of Wissenschaft is to create knowledge. But what would be considered the essence of Kunst?
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No. 64219 Kontra
>>64216
Regarding CogSci and artificial intelligence, I hear more and more arguments that it is a big ballon and waste of funding but propelled grandiose imaginations overblown expectations and also by researchers that want to work.
Most research these days is done outside academia and with far bigger budgets.

>>64209
>I went into the industry because there I at least am aware upfront that it's all about the money; and I get paid better while I'm at it.

Makes me think of Lyotard and the postmodern condition of knowledge he wrote about. I posted in the digital thread yesterday. Knowledge as a commodity, Lyotard wrote about that change. Sokal and Bricmont went ape shit when they found out it wasn't representing STEM knowledge proper, even though Lyotard used it to describe the change in knowledge also philosopher, not as STEM expert.
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No. 64220 Kontra
>>64218
>The essence of Wissenschaft is to create knowledge. But what would be considered the essence of Kunst?

(production of) Representation, novelty, experience, and knowledge? Choose one or more.

Science creates scientific knowledge operating by a true/false distinction.
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No. 64221
All the "interpretations" of the standard model and general relativity are pure speculative philosophy, often bad philosophy at that, presented as a "scientific" consensus.

Ever since scientists realized that mathematical models can not be intuitively translated into a narrative of what "objective reality" looks like, they started coping hard and inventing "objective-sounding" spooks, because it's apparently too hard to swallow the pill that reality can not be fully described with such tools alone.

Science has never been free from ideology and spooks, despite what some people like to believe.

>>64203
>I understand how photosynthesis works, how the colors of a flower are generated in my retina and how the smell of the pillow she used enters my brain, but nothing of that lessens my appreciation for the sunflower or makes me not blindly love my gf anymore.
Do you think there might be something between the domains of analytic knowledge, and experiential phenomena? Something that, perhaps, bridges the two?
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No. 64222
>>64220
I'd say science generates data.
Converting it to knowledge requires an additional process that some people employ without noticing that they're doing it.
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No. 64224
>>64216
Funding humanities in academia is good because they keep deranged people busy and fed, so they distract them from destructive activities.
Funding STEM in academia is bad because they keep smart people busy and fed, so they distract them from productive activities.
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No. 64225 Kontra
>>64196
>Present a piece of art you did your research on, show us how art has changed, what obscure ways of creating art there are and why this knowledge is useful.

Many art for the last decades questions or better interrogates notions of identity, this can potentially produce new ways of understanding what identity is or how we perceive ourselves. The normative question is useless here for me. You and I should keep that to ourselves.
I think, and it has been said before, art in the best cases shifts our perception and understanding of the world or certain phenomena/things. Not by a scientific experiment that shows how some elementary particles behave but by confrontation with a work of art. Objects of art can be the whole range of available things/phenomen and can be brought together in various ways to have an effect. Science cannot do these things, or not in the way art does. Art is free, science not :DDD now back to generating useful data for the market, semi-slave :DDD
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No. 64226
>>64224
The biggest employers of STEM nerds are Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc., and those companies have them doing stupid useless bullshit, so privately funding them is not that great either.

Maybe they should be not funded at all, so they have to use their smarts to raise above from nothing, like some randian superhuman. I think such selective pressure will leave only the useful ones remaining.
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No. 64227
>>64224
>Funding humanities in academia is good because they keep deranged people busy and fed, so they distract them from destructive activities.
Why not just fund mental facilities, work camps and education instead?
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No. 64228
>>64221
>too hard to swallow the pill that reality can not be fully described with such tools alone.

That sounds like you think it can be described at all.

Which is what used to think until recently. Currently I'm uncertain and my uncertainty is sparked by reading (and trying to understand) a philosophical hermeneutic that looks at different perspectives on Nagarjunas[1] concept of emptiness[2].

A central theme is that emptiness itself is empty, which eventually leads to a conclusion that there is no difference between common knowledge and enlightened knowledge (aka truth or knowledge of what is true as it is). This seems to have caused some ruccus among scholars at the time since it can be interpreted as "The Buddha didn't know any truth that was truer than the truths that any drunk peddlar at the roadside knows." (my words)

That, however, is not the only way to understand Nagarjunas statements about emptiness. In fact, he was convinced that his view was less nihilistic than that of monks who follow the teachings as they are.

Also, apparently he used a proof-scheme that is logically coherent by todays standards and I find that pretty damn rad.[3]
Side note: Formal logic for specification and verification is my main subject of study currently, which certainly contributes to my excitement about the Buddhist fourfold negation (aka Tetralemma).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarjuna
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetralemma
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No. 64229
>>64226
> useless bullshit
Useless for us but useful for it's target audience i.e. normies.
Here we once again meet free market related dylemma: should normies be allowed to do what they want or should they be forced not to be shit eaters with iron hand? I prefer first option because this iron hand will soon get out of control and strangle us. And because I'm against cruelty to animal. Beastie dances in Tiktok, has fun with filters. Why torture it and take away it's favorite toy.

Additionally to that byproduct of big tech is ML research. Much better than "computer science" (jerking off to turing machines).
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No. 64230
>>64227
>Why not just fund mental facilities
What do you think sociology faculty is? Open air mental facility.

> work camps
First of all, inhumane. Second, it's unreasonable. With high chance you'll find yourself there crying "comrade Stalin, a terrible mistake happened!".

> education
Agree, it's better to prevent such situations. But how? What should people be educated with? It seems to me that the main factor here is having functional family and environment, not education system.
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No. 64231
>>64229
>Additionally to that byproduct of big tech is ML research. Much better than "computer science" (jerking off to turing machines).

I disagree. For the past 10 years 99% of all publications in ML are about AI and this currently is a buzzword-bullshit-bingo beyond comprehension. What is sold as "AI research" is pretty much anti-science today. Maybe 1 in 5.000 publications in "AI research" is actual research. At least that is what it feels like when you have to read through those papers.

>>64216
>How about the entire field of CompSci being a complete joke ever since it ran out of gas in the 60s?

In fields such as theoretical computer science the ideas from the 60s are still being actively extended. Only because the big insights have been around since then and not been refuted doesn't mean there is nothing new happening. It's just... not visible at all outside a tiny circle.
Also, you probably meant 40s rather than 60s, as I am not aware of major insights gained in the 50s or 60s that have actually changed the field. It's been iterations mostly since the late 40s.
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No. 64232
>>64231
A lot of the fundamental algorithms and paradigms used in every program every day were developed in those times, so I consider it fruitful, at least in a productive/pragmatic sense. Which is basically the metric stem people seem to judge everything by, so I found it appropriate.
Oh what would we ever do without quicksort.
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No. 64233
>>64231
Indeed, much of ML research is complete bollocks:
https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/category/tools/machine-learning/
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No. 64234
>>64231
So it's a useless circle-jerk. Computer "Science" is not a real science, anyway. It's just a bunch of tech-geeks rubbing each others backs and being racist, sexist know-it-all assholes. Asshole-nerds. Like Felix von Fetteimer, die dumme Fettsau.
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No. 64235 Kontra
>>64234
>being racist, sexist know-it-all assholes.

You're making it sound cool beyond all belief.
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No. 64236
>>64232
>t least in a productive/pragmatic sense. Which is basically the metric stem people seem to judge everything by,
Which is why they lobby governments to build completely useless giant experiments like CERN and ITER? SO USEFUL to the people employed there, but to no one else

>so I found it appropriate.
No.

>Oh what would we ever do without quicksort.
lol. Quicksort is only used as a teaching example. No actual library implementations use quicksort.
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No. 64238
>>64236
Most sorting algorithms included in standard libraries use quicksort, heapsort and insert sort selectively depending on the data being passed.
To call that an algorithm on its own is disingenuous.
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No. 64239
>>64235
Asshole-nerd detected. Admit it: 90% of STEM-students hate women and minorities and go into STEM for racist/sexist reasons. Then, they produce racist science that disadvantages non-priveleged persons even more. It's all a disgusting boys-club trying to keep minorities out with their phallic white-centered bullshit.

STEM has been deconstructed. The entire machinery was made by white european men to serve them and keep everyone else down. It's deeply racist and deeply sexist and all the results it produces are to be considered tainted and should be avoided.
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No. 64240
>>64238
>disingenuous
And who gets to decide that? You? Why?
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No. 64241
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>>64231
>For the past 10 years 99% of all publications in ML are about AI and this currently is a buzzword-bullshit-bingo beyond comprehension.
That's because it's fashionable now. So scientist-larpers from noname 3-rd world universities dedicate their schizo-bubble to ML. They also like quaternions, fractals and complex networks very much.
Look at 1%. It's basically picrelated. =D
Also look at practical results. And imagine that you are being told about them 15 years ago.

>>64233
> wordpress
> midwits, ruling caste, lizard people
Looks like good collection of shartposts from first glance. =D
Gonna read it.
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No. 64242
>>64234
>>64239
I think you have your narratives mixed up.
In fact, tech is infested with PoCs, trannies, soy liberal leftists, and globohomo lizardmen like zuckerberg and bill gates.
In fact, soyence is a jewish psy-op meant to control and pacify the masses with their nanochip vaccines and MK-Ultra 5G radiation towers.
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No. 64243
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>>64240
Yes.
Because.
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No. 64244
>>64241
I got off the AI-bandwagon in 2011, after my Bachelor's thesis. Then, in 2015, I decided I don't want to be an arrogant asshole nerd anymore. I stopped doing any STEM-bullshit and instead developed spiritually.

STEM-assholes are basically the devil. They want to force the vax on people.
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No. 64245
>>64242
Wrong. It's sexist and phallo-centric. Especially math and physics. The imaginary unit is literally a phallus.
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No. 64246
>>64222
>I'd say science generates data.
No, that's research. Also one could argue that art also creates data in a way, just not in common scientific format usually.
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No. 64247 Kontra
>>64234
It was dietchan-tier
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No. 64248
>>64214
>Yet you have strong opinion on art even though you did not engage deeply in art or art history, you are a STEM academic.
What makes you think I have not engaged deeply in art? And if art is not science, why should I have to be an expert on art in the first place just to have a strong opinion on it?
>Polysemy is a sin to you it seems, but then you shouldn't talk about art or that you know art when you cannot handle polysemy.
Wrong.
>What exactly should the methods[...]
Why are you willfully misunderstanding what I write? I am not saying sociologists should do tensile tests or something like that, just that they shouldn't use shitty tools.
And why is treating data with care seemingly a bad thing?
>Subject and object are strictly separated. And sciences need this distinction in order to operate. Humanities cannot really uphold this distinction, they even interrogate this distinction as a cultural phenomenon.
So you are saying sociology is not a science? If we used robots, would it become a science?

>And because some papers got through that are made on purpose like that everything else published is equally bad?
No, never said that. But it revealed a deep-seated problem when merely using certain buzzwords or something "sounding right" was enough to pass peer review.
I myself have reviewed stuff and have been reviewed and none of that bullshit would have worked, unless I had been doing medical research and my funders were bribing everyone, but there we are again at the money/funding component. And the amount of butthurt is caused just shows that it had a point.

> Science boundaries are only set by scientists themselves any contestation is met with furry as it threatens authority.
Fuck off I hate furries :-DDDD
But really, where are you getting this from? It's a crass generalization and just not true.

>Do you want to pretend the art criticism was anything else but empty hot air?
So you are now going NO U on me? What art criticism? I was merely stating my opinion, which I have been since the beginning. Then again, I never claimed the opposite, we are on EC after all, but it seems to have struck a nerve with you, it seems.

>Indeed art as research (one possibility of art) would be about understanding things, about knowing things in a specific way. But I'm not sure if that is useful, because I suspect you to judge it from a point of scientific rationalism and its take on methodology, a position that excludes any other knowledge not acquired with the same method as useless and not precise or whatever it is. What we know as science today is by its common self understanding the only way to know and know right.
Again assumptions over assumptions.

So many words for nothing. Although I am starting to find it amusing, because you are talking about "science" with such a conviction and assertiveness that you claim scientists exhibit. You are like the exact mirror image of what you are supposedly criticizing and either don't seem to be aware of it, or doubling down on it for shitposting purposes.
By the way, my last paragraph was meant to be encouraging, because I am honestly interested in learning about that stuff, as from your unspecific nothing-is-true remarks I still have no idea what you are talking about, but it sounded intriguing. And while I am not an expert on Kafka, were his works really supposed to be fragments? I thought he just didn't finish them because he died.

But man, so much butthurt, strawmen and assumptions.
I really want to know who spit in your soup.

>>64239
/fefe/ is that way -->
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No. 64249 Kontra
>>64239
>90% of STEM-students hate women and minorities and go into STEM for racist/sexist reasons.

Oh, I wish that were true. Our political situation would be so much more salvageable if that were the case.
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No. 64250
>>64248
>/fefe/ is that way -->
Can't use that side becuase it looks horrible.
Ernstchan is bad enough. But only a STEM-Nerd can be aesthetically challanged enough to create something as crappy and unusable as /fefe/.

Yes, I get that it's a parody of what the world would look like if STEM-nerds had the final say, but still, I can't stand it. It serves as a great reminder on why these creepy little perverts have to be kept down at all cost.
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No. 64251
>>64249
So you basically admit that you are exactly what I said. Point proven.
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>>64239
I thought about interesting thing.

In Wect lefties seem to be mostly humanity-hedas. All they can is to write bitter critical essays. And since happen to live in capitalism, they are contrarian to it.

But in Eact commies are usually from STEM background. This happens because USSR was Empire of Evil, so it required a lot of engineers and scientists to develop doomsday weapons and confront Empire of Good. Modern Russia is banana republic of evil so 90% of stemcels are excessive. They will never have interesting, well-payed and meaningful job. Of course they want to return back in time. unlike other 10% who raise more money than their parents ever wished and are usually economically right wing. Of course in addition to Indigenous commies we have some western style ones like Brick too.
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No. 64253
Speaking of the Sokal affair.
I wonder if it would be possible to write a bogus paper about how our totally real particle accelerator shat out some data that suggests the existence of a new fundamental particle, claim a q-value in the "sensationalist sweet spot", which is somewhere between "not significant enough to be interesting" and "yeah that's bullshit", describe a fictional methodology which sounds plausible, and then see how many physics and pop-sci journals publish it.

But then again, why?
You know what they say: "If you're good at something, don't do it for free" :^)
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No. 64254
>>64239
I studied STEM because i'm a communist.
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No. 64255
>>64253
I think the biggest obstacle here is being an institute known for having the necessary equipment.
IF you are one of those institutes though you might probably get away with basically everything.
And popsci outlets will publish anything that brings clicks anyway.
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No. 64256 Kontra
>>64251
You talk like a femoid.
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No. 64257
>>64248
>What makes you think I have not engaged deeply in art?

Because all you can say about art is that it needs skill and that there is a lack of these in "modern" art. You never said anything about art only what is not art according to you.

>Wrong.

Ok, and now? What do you make of the recognition of polysemy?

> just that they shouldn't use shitty tools.
And why is treating data with care seemingly a bad thing?

What shitty tools? These non-STEM disciplines have developed methods and theories of different variety and scale and I don't say that these handle data in a bad way, whatever data would mean in this context anyway. Then again I asked you how these should proceed, if not with a STEM scientific rationality checked method. You can isolate an individual human like you can isolate particles for an experiment, but what will results tell in the case of the human. Humanities and social sciences don't have labs, their objects are not matter behaving after certain laws people once found. These object are scrutinized in the open, maybe because other attempts weren't as fruitful.

>So you are saying sociology is not a science?

No, I said that what science is, is a result of boundary-making, maybe sociology is science, maybe it is not. It depends on where boundaries are made and how they are made can be an object of inquiry.

>And the amount of butthurt is caused just shows that it had a point.

There have been many things written on the science war in the 1990s and about the new case. Did you only read Sokal/Bricmont and the like?
https://magazine.scienceforthepeople.org/vol22-1/science-wars-the-next-generation/

Interestingly these later attempts try to discredit feminism. I'm not saying that science is a white enterprise and the results are to be discarded. But white culture, gender and all this plays a role in science. The publication bias might play a role as things that don't show differences which where initially taken as granted don't get published, because boys and girls are different, right and if results don't show, then why publish that?

>I was merely stating my opinion

So an opinion cannot have the form of critique and scorn, interesting...

>Again assumptions over assumptions.

The only assumption is that you will hate on non-scientific endeavors of knowledge creation, the rest is not wrong. Or does science accept knowledge not tested and made by the method of scientific rationalism?

>butthurt, strawmen and assumptions

speaking of buzzwords to make one sound right lol

>because you are talking about "science" with

I'm talking about science from a perspective that is not about the findings of science and their truth-value meaning I speak about science from an angle that is not the one STEM science itself uses to describe itself. And I think that is the biggest problem in all of our discussions.
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No. 64258
>>64248
>from your unspecific nothing-is-true remarks

Did I ever say nothing is true? No, I did not. I say it's complicated to make it short.

>were his works really supposed to be fragments? I thought he just didn't finish them because he died.

Maybe, the data of Kafkas life are not everything considered in literature studies, but the texts themselves as texts are taken under consideration. The texts themselves ooze with uncertainty and other topics that also concern the epistemic realm. Same for Thomas Bernhard btw who was fond of Wittgenstein and the jump between early and late Wittgenstein (the later denying certainty)

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/417127/pdf

Did not read this one but it might hint what modern literature can be about as I said before
https://digitalcommons.bard.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1233&context=senproj_s2012

Virgina Woolfs prose is steeped in perspectivism.
>She would not say of any one in the world now that they were this or were that. She felt very young; at the same time unspeakably aged. [from Mrs. Dalloway]

This sentence is an example for the deprivation of determination in the prose of Woolf. In essays she explicates on that. Perspectives add up but never get close, you can look from this or that perspective, it won't be enough to bring forward the absolute or essential truth
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No. 64261
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Can we just agree on that art doesn't get better than this?
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No. 64263
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Can we just agree on that art doesn't get better than this? :--DDD
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No. 64264
>>64257
>Because all you can say about art is that it needs skill and that there is a lack of these in "modern" art.
No, I am saying there is a lack of skill in the fine arts. Which I was, as mentioned several times, focusing on. But of course we can talk about literature and music if you want and approach the topic from that angle.

>Ok, and now? What do you make of the recognition of polysemy?
What about it? What exactly do you want from me? All you are doing is NO U right now.

>What shitty tools?
The ones mentioned before.

>Then again I asked you how these should proceed, if not with a STEM scientific rationality checked method.
>You can isolate an individual human like you can isolate particles for an experiment, but what will results tell in the case of the human. Humanities and social sciences don't have labs, their objects are not matter behaving after certain laws people once found. These object are scrutinized in the open, maybe because other attempts weren't as fruitful.
Maybe that is the crucial point here, because you simply can't observe a human like you can observe a particle, mainly because the human, even as an individual is already a highly complex system. Therefore you would rather need even more precise and powerful tools. Let me try this analogy: The way sociology is conducted today is like looking at planets with a regular cheap telescope. Sure, you can track their trajectories and maybe see some highly visible structures, but if your goal is to find out what the planet is composed of, what its temperatures are on certain spots, and so on, merely a telescope won't do. And that is the point at which we are right now. And to come back to an earlier post, again, I don't deride sociology per se, but if we view it through the lens of "STEM scientific rationality", it's like a toddler. And a toddler won't sit at the adults' table.

>No, I said that what science is, is a result of boundary-making, maybe sociology is science, maybe it is not. It depends on where boundaries are made and how they are made can be an object of inquiry.
Okay, so you're saying nothing. Got it.

>So an opinion cannot have the form of critique and scorn, interesting...
Not every opinion is a criticism.

>speaking of buzzwords to make one sound right lol
The only buzzword here, if you even want to consider that, is "strawman". And you, by saying "scientists are like that, scienstists do this" are doing exactly that. But thanks for admitting I am right.

>And I think that is the biggest problem in all of our discussions.
Well, be concrete then. By just saying "nuh-uh, it isn't like that, it's different" and then not explaining how exactly it's different nothing will change. What am I supposed to do? I can't look into your mind and see what you are thinking, but you refuse to explain anything and instead try to deviate.

>Did I ever say nothing is true? No, I did not. I say it's complicated to make it short.
Yeah, that was not formulated pretty well. I originally wanted to write "we-are-not-sure". But why can't you try and make it short? Form an analogy, I would even take a food analogy at this point. Just anything, really. I mean, I try that, I constantly try and make things easier to understand, because otherwise I'd need four character limit posts to reply to anything, so why can't you at least try, too?

As for the literature stuff, I still don't quite understand I am afraid. Writing is always highly subjective and if you're not writing a nonfiction book you will always have perspective in there, even if your textual style is "objective" - and even in nonfiction there is of course also always the bias of what to include.
Take Lovecraft for example, who wrote like a chronicler or reporter, but his subjects were nameless and shapeless terrors, rational men of renown going insane from reading in forbidden books and so on.
Lolita is wonderfully written, yet the story itself is rather ghastly and I was a bit confused when I found out that people take Humbert's ramblings at face value instead of being able to actually see through his bias as an unreliable narrator.
Regarding Kafka, I always felt his works had a deep kind of psychological component to them, an access to the subconscious, so to say. Deep fears personified by things appearing in the stories and not everything was about his daddy issues.
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No. 64265
>>64263
androids are the allegory for NPC non-enlightened humans.
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No. 64267
>>64256
You speak like an incel. Have sex.
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No. 64268
>lack of skill in the fine arts
I never get this talking point.

Go open artstation or look at the artwork for magic the gathering, video game promo art, etc.
You will see technical mastery on par with the old masters. In fact, the classical academic art techniques are more widely applied today than ever, in the fields of commercial art.

Now, would it make any difference if instead of space marines and elves, the artworks were depicting biblical scenes?

I think people like to conveniently ignore this plethora of technically impressive art, because the fact that technical skill is most valued and sought after by entertainment companies peddling low brow garbage contradicts their assertion that technical skill has any artistic value by itself.
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No. 64269
>>64264
>lack of skill in the fine arts.

So replace modern art with fine art, my point still stands.

>What about it? What exactly do you want from me? All you are doing is NO U right now.

Eh, you just said I'm wrong to what I said about polysemy and what you think of it. So I want an answer from you what you make with polysemy.

>The ones mentioned before.

There are more than these as I said.

>Maybe that is the crucial point here, because you simply can't observe a human like you can observe a particle, mainly because the human, even as an individual is already a highly complex system. Therefore you would rather need even more precise and powerful tools. Let me try this analogy: The way sociology is conducted today is like looking at planets with a regular cheap telescope. Sure, you can track their trajectories and maybe see some highly visible structures, but if your goal is to find out what the planet is composed of, what its temperatures are on certain spots, and so on, merely a telescope won't do. And that is the point at which we are right now. And to come back to an earlier post, again, I don't deride sociology per se, but if we view it through the lens of "STEM scientific rationality", it's like a toddler. And a toddler won't sit at the adults' table.

In sociology there are numerous theories and a variety of methods (I repeat myself from the last post of mine). There is even systems theory in sociology. Then again what would this powerful tools be? You said a rational scientific method could do, but perhaps it does not work like that. Maybe you don't scrutinize society with a telescope or a SEM, if you know what I mean. You want the same method, it is after all one of just many complex systems. And that is the interesting point, because historically system thinking in its more complex fashion isn't that old and from a cultural historical perspective as from a perspective of philosophy, a system perspective could be regarded a new thinking and conceptualizing, though it is debated that societies are actual systems, but it is just a useful concept to describe something. Sociology has micro and macro levels to make examinations. But how to bring them together, how to think these in their difference and continuity, is it the same and useful as in physics? Is this only a question of tools? Interestingly, you make the toddler analogy and I think the analogy making reveals a point I made earlier, namely that STEM and its scientific rational method only accepts itself as true and useful knowledge, everything that does not adhere to this pair, is to be discarded and not real knowledge and this childlike, which carries a normative implication and one that is very old, children don't know shit, adults know it better, children have to be like adults to be taken seriously. The arrogance is in this hierarchical ladder with distinct steps that only knows one way to climb up towards the sun (truth).

>Okay, so you're saying nothing. Got it.

Are you dumb? You are doing what is said in that sentence with what you write above.

>Not every opinion is a criticism.

not what I said.

>And you, by saying "scientists are like that, scienstists do this" are doing exactly that.

So a proposition is a strawman?

>you refuse to explain anything and instead try to deviate.

I said we are talking about similar or same things, but from very different angles and with very different understandings and probably talk past each other as we come from different disciplines. It is sad tbh.

>But why can't you try and make it short?

Science and truth values can be and are objects of cultural and historical as well as social scrutinity. Poppers writings and ideas for example. Therefore I'm saying you should be careful with what is regarded as true and why that is and overall what science is, but not viewed from a perspective of science itself. The question would be if there are blind spots in science that are notheless important to shed light on. But science doesn't like that because it is not necessarily done so with the method of scientific rationalism which is deemed the only source of acceptable knowledge.

>Writing is always highly subjective and if you're not writing a nonfiction book you will always have perspective in there

Books are not written just for entertainment but for thinking. It's not that it is Kafkas perspective, or Woolfs perspective as subjects with certain experience. It is about modern literature showing similar problems, certain themes and thoughts popping up and being negotiated in that literature. Literature itself is a way to gain insights. These insights are shared with an audience, meaning it is read by other people.
You most likely will have perspectives in nonfiction books as well. That is why I say truth is to be thought about and problematized. The unreliable narrator hints at problems with truth as well.
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>>64268
>or look at the artwork for magic the gathering
First image, I certainly feel something but I'm confused as to how homoerotic it looks. I understand the point about technical skill, as this one in particular looks bad mostly because it's probably a collage and not a single piece. I don't know, all of images that come up look very goofy in general. Probably the subject matter being epic dragon and assorted fantasy bullshit :DD dont like it/10
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No. 64271 Kontra
I wonder, is it because one side is about problematizing things (common sense is questionable, what is done or how we view things, act etc. might be wrong or is questionable) and the other is only interested in problem solving? Problems are not made but pop up naturally and then are solved and it's and endless problem solving towards a functional whatever? Functionality and a running apparatus are not wise to question.
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No. 64272
>>64270
Well yeah, it's homoerotic because it follows the traditions of classical art, with all them naked muscular men and shit.

Also, a lot of classical artworks ARE collages. You have no idea how much the old masters used reference models. You can easily tell in some paintings how the human figures were depicted were never in the same room together.

>epic dragon and assorted fantasy bullshit
Edgy opinion: biblical paintings were also epic dragon and assorted fantasy bullshit :-DDDD
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No. 64273
>>64271
>one side is about problematizing things
>Problems are not made but pop up naturally
Sounds like what the monarchy would say about complaining peasants.

Or basically any time where one group of people had objections about how things are done.
What, people can't have problems now?

And what exactly is being solved anyway? How to most efficiently show ads to internet users?
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No. 64274
>>64269
>my point still stands
...and that is?

>So I want an answer from you what you make with polysemy.
No idea what you're trying to say. Say it in german.

>In sociology there are numerous theories[...]
Did you not read that paragraph or did you make typos again? I explicitly said I do NOT want the exact same method. And maybe the toddler analogy was too inflammatory. I meant it's in its infancy, in the sense of young and inexperienced, which obviously doesn't mean it's dumb or inherently worthless. Mathematics for example has had millenia to develop. And I hope you're not one of those "kids are just small adults" people, because if you have ever worked with or been around kids for a longer time you know that's just not true.
And this has nothing to do with arrogance, unless of course you are a kid yourself and don't understand why you are not allowed to drink coffee and thus complain about those mean adults.

>Are you dumb? You are doing what is said in that sentence with what you write above.
Let's see...
>maybe sociology is science, maybe it is not. It depends on where boundaries are made and how they are made can be an object of inquiry.
>maybe it is, maybe it is not
>it depends
So yeah, you are saying nothing. This is as good as a wink to a blind bat.

>So a proposition is a strawman?
No, a strawman is a strawman.

>Therefore I'm saying you should be careful with what is regarded as true and why that is and overall what science is, but not viewed from a perspective of science itself.
So what is true, then? IS anything true, at all, then? I mean from where exactly are you approaching here? Natural laws? Experimental design? Data generation? Interpretation of said data? All of it? You are going in circles. You say we should question truth and be cautious about "blind spots", but what about your own enquiry? Does it have blind spots? Is your premise not subject to the same questions?

>But science doesn't like that because it is not necessarily done so with the method of scientific rationalism which is deemed the only source of acceptable knowledge.
I mean is this not understandable? The way you are making your claims makes it seem like you don't want to believe that an apple falls down and that if we approached the phenomenon "gravity" from a different angle we could find out that it doesn't work like that and that "falling down" is a meaningless term. As above, what would be the goal here. Let's say we find a blind spot (whatever that constitutes), what then? What would your next course of action be? You can't just always talk in uncertainties and subjunctives.
I mean, in order to pursue your interest, you are eventually forced to work within "science" and with scientists, aren't you?
But telling someone that anything he believes is not true is not a good way to start a conversation, if you can't actually back up your claim or at least give a modicum of weight to it.

>You most likely will have perspectives in nonfiction books as well
Yes, that is what I wrote, too. Then again, my perspective here is that you are either tired or not really paying attention anymore, because you're starting to get tangential and either ignoring or repeating points I made in my own posts.
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No. 64275
>>64274
My dear friend, I wasted my day and will just give a few answers and be out of this. I wanted to read some things but can only hope it happens until midnight.

>...and that is?

that you said not much about art, only what you not deem art.

>So yeah, you are saying nothing. This is as good as a wink to a blind bat.

Holy mf craparoli. I said if sociology is a science or not is a result of boundary making practice, it depends on boundary making if sociology is science or not. How that boundary making exactly takes place is another question, but your posts are a first thing to point out as you exactly to that, you draw boundaries in order to say what is science and what is not. And remember how I said I'm interested in boundaries? I'm interested in how boundaries are drawn and what that entails but not in order to know what science really is now, I'm interested in this practice as a human practice. You are doing this, you are practicing it with your posts, you draw boundaries and that is all I said and that is why it depends THAT IS WHAT I SAY AN WHY I SAY IT DEPENDS AND IT IS AN ANSWER, JUST BECAUSE YOUR MIND IT SEEMS CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER BE CLEARLY DETERMINED DOESNT MEAN THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER, THE ANSWER JUST POINTS OUT THAT PRACTICES CAN GENERATE DIFFERENT RESULTS OVER TIME, IT DEPENDS ON VARIOUS FACTORS. My question now would be if physicist engage with the object of human cultural practices as well, afaik they don't hence they cannot view themselves from this angle. It might be interesting to recognize that they do this.

>So what is true, then? IS anything true, at all, then? I mean from where exactly are you approaching here? Natural laws? Experimental design? Data generation? Interpretation of said data? All of it? You are going in circles. You say we should question truth and be cautious about "blind spots", but what about your own enquiry? Does it have blind spots? Is your premise not subject to the same questions?

It's neat how it only encapsulates stations in the scientific rational method, anything else is unthinkable when it comes to truth. Regarding the last question: ofc and even though it seems like I'm very content with what I say, I know that I can spend the rest of my life pondering these questions and that I have to think and consider many more things that can go on until I die. If you think I'm not one of those good researchers that questions their own position and arguments, you are wrong, for the sake of the discussion I bring forward things I'm still debating for myself. As you might know, these topics are fucking huge and complex, society, culture and science are complex things and their interactions make it even more complex. It's not that easy to keep track of everything.

>You can't just always talk in uncertainties and subjunctive.

Exactly what I said, science cannot operate other than with true/false distinction, it would collapse without it. And as we all can experience, science works quite fine in many regards, yet I'm interested in how all of that came together and what the historic dimension of that is. What role do tools play in recognition for example, what do we make of scientific findings and the scientific rationale really the only possible way, it is a functional way, but has it limits? Where and when are those limits?

>Yes, that is what I wrote, too. [etc.]

Are you shitting me or do I "mistranslate"?

>Writing is always highly subjective and if you're not writing a nonfiction book you will always have perspective in there

Is what you wrote. As I understand it you say that when you write a nonfiction book there is no perspective in there

Schreiben ist ist immer subjektiv und wenn du nicht (gerade) ein Sachbuch schreibst wirst du immer eine Perpsketive drin haben

But that is not what I said, I said that you will also have a perspective when you engage in science, though this is general statement, depending on the sciences, especially the ones regarding humans (cogsci etc) are the troubled ones.
Looks like you are tired as well, let's call it a day.
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No. 64276
>>64244
>>64245
>>64234
>>64239
>>64249

...etc rest of thread...

The f u c k is going on?

Brick, please tell me your shit isn't contagious. Whatever it is, at least two german balls have it and I really don't want the Germoney to be flooded with Franz Kazkhas. If you started it, please make it stop.

Post scriptum:
>>64245
>The imaginary unit is literally a phallus.

I admit, I absolutely lost it at this point, you've won. I almost want that on a T-Shirt. almost
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No. 64277
>>64275
>that you said not much about art, only what you not deem art.
And that is not talking about art? Oh well it probably depends...

>Holy mf craparoli.[...]
Na, biste mad? Although
>DOESNT MEAN THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER
What is an acceptable answer always depends on the recipient of that answer. I mean, this whole discussion is only about you not accepting the answers "science" brings because you are questioning how they came about.

>It's neat how it only encapsulates stations in the scientific rational method
Well, we were talking about the "scientific rational method", after all.
>If you think I'm not one of those good researchers
Don't worry, I don't think that, else you probably wouldn't have endured such a long time, but of course I am poking a bit, as do you.

>What role do tools play in recognition for example, what do we make of scientific findings and the scientific rationale really the only possible way, it is a functional way, but has it limits? Where and when are those limits?
Yes, and do you project getting any answers to that question? If you are asking questions you are implicitly expecting or having people expect an answer. Or are you just going to continue asking questions without ever expecting an answer?
That said, I meant how YOU always talk in uncertainties and subjunctives. In fact, the only clear answer you have given so far was in your outburst and even then the answer itself is an uncertainty.

>Is what you wrote
Right, I wrote this, but that's just one half of the sentence, because it goes further:
>even if your textual style is "objective" - and even in nonfiction there is of course also always the bias of what to include.
>always the bias of what to include.
Isn't that a perspective? I could also say "what you write about", or "how you write about it".

>Looks like you are tired as well
In fact I am pretty wide awake right now because I had some work-related that I was pondering and now that I have solved it I feel rather awake. I think I will head to the Sauffaden though and have a beer to calm down.
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No. 64278 Kontra
>>64274
Regarding the question of sociology:

I guess you want a yes/no , pose a binary that has to be resolved to one of these. I am interested in the binary as object. For you the binary is an operative entity, for me it is a question. My frustration is that you behave like a computer, you only can understand discreteness inputs, you cannot operate nor understand anything that is not discrete or that asks for why discretness.
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No. 64279 Kontra
>>64276
>The f u c k is going on?
It's just a troll that normally lives on the /fefe/, but it seems to have found its way here for some reason.
I say we nuke dietchan from orbit or Berlin, to nip the problem in the bud.
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No. 64280 Kontra
>>64278
But binary is discrete by its very nature.
Either you are thus looking for something that doesn't exist or your picture is a wrong one. Maybe "black/white with no grey inbetween"?
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No. 64281
>>64277
>the only clear answer you have given so far was in your outburst and even then the answer itself is an uncertainty.

;) not by accident I'd say. I guess uncertainty is my object. Anyways, I need to use the holidays to read a bit about the history I am actually interested in. Have your beer. I have indeed more questions than answers atm, not per see a bad thing I'm sure. I won't answer the rest, it is seductive to argue but it steals time from researching things to questions I really need to answer as they are part of what I seek as future work. The question of science is only a tangent of that, thus my knowledge is quite fragmented, but nonetheless a challenge to become more clear about general vectors in science and technology studies.
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No. 64282 Kontra
>>64280
>But binary is discrete by its very nature.

I know, did not deny. But the binary interests me not as an operative entity.

>Either you are thus looking for something that doesn't exist

Well, here it becomes philosophically interesting, science and cultural studies will also want to have a say in this. But not today or in the future. It is a highly interesting thing tbh. One question would be if the binary is THE operative entity for thinking. Can you think off the binary?
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>>64282
>Can you think off the binary?
Like what? In Hex?
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No. 64290
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Did two exams today, one in Chinese history, one in Classical Chinese.
Got an A in history. The only question I got wrong was the one where they asked me what was Liu Shaoqi's title during the time of his death.
Just got the results of the CC exam too. Got that A.
We had two hours to translate around 35 sentences (around, because some questions contained two, shorter sentences), give them a toned pinyin transcription and also describe the marked grammatical particles' function in that sentence.
I thought I wasn't gonna make it, but in the end I still had 30 minutes left. I'd have re-checked some of my answers if not for the fact that I was only allowed to see each question once. But holy shit, was my neck stiff by the end.

Watched "Farewell, My Concubine" for the exam because the last lecture was just a task to watch it. (And the task mentioned how it'll be on the exam, so it's heavily recommended we watch it.)
So I sat trough a three hour long movie. It was good but I don't like movies.
There was only one question relating to it, that asked about the protagonists' occupation. A piece of info that was part of the task description. Lmao.

I have a week until the next exam. "History of the Far East". I don't get this subject.
Couldn't attend the lectures either since they clashed with my Modern Chinese classes. (Even though the department says it's impossible for classes like these to clash.)
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No. 64292 Kontra
>>64272
>Edgy opinion: biblical paintings were also epic dragon and assorted fantasy bullshit :-DDDD
I want to disagree but you are right. fk u
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No. 64328
I can't sleep, again.
Which means today's workday will be horrible and I will feel like shit.
Can't wait for taking my vacation.
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No. 64333
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Shit, we're all going to die.
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No. 64334
>>64333
From our own arrogance?
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No. 64335
I got all the gifts ready, now I just need to wrap them and I'm ready for le Christmas.

>>64333
Eventually.
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>>64333
Thankfully, everything comes to an end.
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No. 64338
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>>64333
>Shit, we're all going to die.

>>64335
I just wrapped mine. I have been exceptionally unoriginal this year... Basically everyone gets a gift card. I feel bad but I really lack the energy this year to think of any proper gifts.
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No. 64339
Autism makes one's life less pleasant but more interesting.
Psychopathy makes one's life more pleasant but less interesting.
Both are considered mental disorders.
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No. 64341
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I don't wrap gifts, I use reusable Christmas bags, no hassle; just a ribbon to close them. That said, yesterday I got the last present, I had everything together last weekend but only one book was missing. It wasn't deliverable until Christmas but thank dog a bookstore in town had one copy of the preferred book. I can't people how lucky I've been in that moment.

>>64339
Ergo: mental disorders are interesting and pleasant. Now I know why Kohlers are the happiest people on earth.
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No. 64342
>>64339
Autism is not classified as a mental disorder though.
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>>64338
>>64341
I usually wrap them in the fashion of a Salonzucker since most stuff I bought is small and doesn't have a square box. (And even if it had one, I think it's needlessly complicated to wrap a square box and I get tired just thinking about it.)
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No. 64345
>>64343
I usually do that when the gift doesn't have a box shape; though it looks really silly when the gift is a bit bigger, even if it's only a piece of clothing or something.
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No. 64347
Sometimes, I'll be having a good day, and then remember I have a mental illness that leaves me with the self control and diligence of a 16 year old, and thus I will never reach my full potential in life, and will probably die sad and regretful.
My outwardly quizzical and irreverent demeanor is just a cope so I can avoid taking my own life seriously, because if I did, I would mentally collapse and become non-responsive like the girls in them hentai rape mangas. I believe they call it "mind-break". Appropriate.

In other news, the driving lessons are going well. I'll go another week until I can sort of handle basic operation, and then practice on my own on an empty parking lot, or ask a relative for guidance.
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No. 64348
>>64347
It's ok to cope, just sayin.
Anyway, you take driving lesson? How do you like it?
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No. 64349
I have noticed that anyone I interact with, older or my age, after some time start taking on a fatherly role with me. Which is weird to me.
I guess it is immediately obvious that I am a complete sonbasket, and have never had to confront real life.

Another thing I have noticed, is that when I dispassionately express something regarding myself, people think I'm depressed or sad, and try to console me or whatever. When in fact, I'm just making observations or commenting. This probably means that I am a miserable fuck but also oblivious to being such.

Or it's because my voice is monotone and mumbly, thus I sound sad all the time.

>>64348
It's okay. That's my response to anything, because I have subconsciously forbidden myself from being excited or enjoying things, because my mind was subjected to a Pavlovian conditioning, where anything good is expected to be quickly followed up by a kick in the nuts.

But I digress. The problem I'm having is that I can't mentally map the steering wheel to the angle of the front wheels. It feels like the relationship between the two is non-linear, which confuses me. It's fine when moving, because I can intuitively guide the car in a feedback-response manner, but on a standstill, or moving slowly, I have no idea where the car will go once I accelerate.

Instructor keeps telling me to "just feel it". Thanks asshole.
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No. 64350
>>64347
>thus I will never reach my full potential in life
What is this 'full potential' of yours? If it's an inmate mental illness holding you back, then it's hardly a case of not reaching your full potential. Like someone in a wheel chair from a birth defect saying that they won't reach their full potential of being a great marathon runner.
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No. 64351
>>64350
>someone in a wheel chair from a birth defect saying that they won't reach their full potential of being a great marathon runner.
Sounds like a valid complaint to me.

I think Kafka's "Before the Law" expresses this exact feeling. Yearning for something that you've been barred from, and will never reach, by design.
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No. 64352
>>64351
Yeah but it's hardly not reaching your full potential. If you're in a wheelchair, your full potential as a marathon runner is 0, so you already achieved it.
Saying this, because not reaching one's full potential is sad, but that's not exactly what's going on here.
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No. 64353
Hello everyone I'm just testing whether im ip-rangebanned
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No. 64354
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No. 64355
>>64354
I thought east asian phenotype is fairly common in kazahkstan. Are you russian kazahk? Russians dont say chino.
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>>64355
I'm just taking the piss.
I am kazakh, yes.

But I do take offense to this:
>east asian phenotype

We are not really east-asian, as far as phenotypes go. There's a reason we're called "central asians". We are generally taller, stronger, more masculine than east asians, and also self-destructively stupid and lazy compared to them.
If we were actually an east asian phenotype, maybe our country wouldn't be such a pathetic joke and a trash fire.
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No. 64357
>>64349
>"just feel it"

You have to become with the machine. It is probably because you have too little training, but indeed while parallel parking it can be a bit complicated, it also depends on the car then. I had cars where it went easy and others not so much. Thinking about it I never thought much, and that might be the trick, as so often, it becomes unconscious. The steering wheel only goes 2 rounds before it hits the limit, no?
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>>64352
>Yeah but it's hardly not reaching your full potential. If you're in a wheelchair, your full potential as a marathon runner is 0
That is true, I agree.
> so you already achieved it.
That is not true.

I don't think "achievement" is a subjective metric. Where you started has no relevance in regards to where you end up. If the goal is to be at position X, the only thing that matters is reaching X, the means and conditions for reaching X are irrelevant, only whether you are at X is relevant.
I intensely dislike it when "compassionate" people compliment disabled, deformed and retarded people for their pitiful non-achievments. You know what I'm talking about.
A disgusting, deformed person posts a selfie, and conventionally attractive neurotypical people will leave comments such as "you're so beautiful!!11", etc. A disabled person can try their hands (lol) at sports, and people will comment about how "impressive" that is. A retarded person doing anything in general is grounds for a compliment.
In reality, the deformed person is objectively repugnant, the disabled athlete will never be a professional athlete, and the retarded """person""" is, well, retarded.
Anyway, this idea that the effort/difficulty of getting somewhere is commendable compared to the end results, is laughable. Somebody get an NFC contract for that legless brutha lol.
If you were to watch a drunk hobo laying on the sidewalk, would you think more highly of him if before ending up on the, he had to climb up from the ditch? I don't think so.

I do not take "wow, you're so talented for a retard freak" as a compliment. To me, pity is offensive rather than kind.
You could say that those people are just being kind and polite, but I do believe there is a sinister undercurrent to it all. Those people are trying to rationalize mentally block out the uncomfortable truth. The truth that internally, they are disgusted. That internally, they are glad they're not them. But most of all, they are trying their hardest to block out the truth that they are nothing but their flesh. But those are the honest ones. Some do it just for social good boy points.

I particularly enjoy videos where some virtue signalling normie tries to keep their composure while being in the same room as a deformed, scrotum-faced freak straight out of John Carpenter's The Thing. You can just tell that they're thinking the same thing as I am, but suppressing it. Trying their hardest not to make a disgusted facial expression, suppressing their natural animalistic urge to brutally kill the deformed freak for the sake of the tribe's survival.
You know the Austin Powers: Goldmember scene, "The mole?". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc5G04nJecI) (watching this video is obligatory if you wish to understand this post). That's what I feel. "FREAK! There's a FREAK! I we're not supposed to talk about the FREAK but there's a FREAK staring me in the FACE!".
If you still think normie compassion is not evil in its nature, I direct you to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OVXQIKRypk
In which, a photographer picks up some fucked up, meth addicted, deformed hobo-woman from the streets, photographs her, uses her photos for self-promotion and social good boy points, and then dumps her back into the streets to rot. Epic.

This is one of the few things I like about Japanese media. They don't have western prude morality, so they can address such uncomfortable subjects in pop-culture. The scene in Berserk where Guts tries to kill his and Casca's deformed demon-spawn fetus-son, but its mother stops him due to her motherly instinct, is pure kino.

Anyway, where was I?
Ah yes. I agree, the phrase I used, "full potential", is inappropriate. It is yet another cope. It is meant to imply that there is actually a "potential" beyond the means deterministically established by a person's environment. In reality, we were all born with a ceiling beyond which we can not reach. Do you know about Genie, the "feral child"? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)). Her father kept her chained to a toilet til the age of 13. Do you think she had any "potential" at all? I guess her highest potential was being a subject of study for psychologists, and when they got bored of her, they threw her away to rot in an institution. That was her "full potential". Somehow, I don't think she's quite content with that.

And before you accuse me of being cruel and insensitive to the plight of the disadvantaged, I am not a hypocrite. I hold the same standards for others that I do to myself. Which is the reason why I am always disgusted with myself, and others too.
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No. 64359 Kontra
Disclaimer: all of my posts are performative works of fiction and in no way represent my real views and opinions.

Based on real life events.
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No. 64360
>>64356
I think the main difference between east and central asians is that no one knows about central asians
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No. 64393
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Imagine travelling to Pluto and standing on its surface. A day on Pluto means being a teenager on Earth. A year on Pluto is as long as the USA is old.
The sun is so far away that it looks like another star, albeit a really, really bright one.
And you could stand on it, were you to ever reach it, manage a capture AND land there.
The vastness of the universe always scares me a bit, or at least unsettles me. And it's not just the vastness, but also that we can't exist there.
If I crash land a plane on a deserted island or drift through the oceans in a lifeboat, there is still sustenance.
But what will I do if I crash land on the Moon? Even if I survive the crash, I will be dead within a few days.
Maybe that's why I refuse to think we're alone. The universe is so big and we still know so little about it, I bet there is something somewhere.
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No. 64399
>>64358
I think it's pretty funny when people compliment how stunning hideously deformed people are. I think you took it the wrong way though, this isn't me trying to assure you your efforts are brave or inspiring. I don't want to come across as someone belittling your oeuvre by saying it's so impressive you could achieve so much (given the circumstances...). That's evil.
It's more how you should judge yourself, the end game isn't setting some specific goal and then checking if you've achieved it. People suffer through all sorts of handicaps and one should always bear in mind how tremendously limited he is by his condition. Every human is sinful and weak, by demiurgian design. The most successful of artists and athletes are all cucked by their very nature. Your soul is trapped in a decaying flesh bag of vices and guts and you're crying about having a fucky brain. The best you can do is see how far you can get with such a rigged start.
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No. 64401
-20'C today. Feels bad but as kids we used to always hope for -30'C so that school is cancelled and we can play outside instead.

>>64233
OK, I read it. My first impression was faulty. Unironically cool blog, thanks for sharing.
What I disliked though is that he often makes arrogant claims like "this tool used by all big tech is shit" without any argumentation. It's not like I need PROOFS for every claim (judging by topics I'm competent in he doesn't speak bullshit) but it's more interesting for me not what he thinks, but why he does so. And writing style is entertaining. I learned to distinguish midwits, nitwits and dipshits.
Speaking about physicists, he is one them. Just like William Luther Pierce. How many more examples do we need? #cancelstem #decolonisemath

>>64360
Everyone knows Borat, don't they?
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No. 64402
>>64401
Playing outside in negative 30? Russians are hardcore.
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No. 64403
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>>64356
I was thinking about a tweet where a kazakh jokes about everyone there looks either like a mongol, chinese or russian. I mean, at least kazakhstan is the more asian-looking one among central asian countries, no? As for mongols, in my experience they are usually shorter but sturdier than east asians.
You'd be much more convincing if you use shanghai as an example. Commieblocks like the one in your picture are everywhere to be seen in beijing. Beijing mostly just look like average northern china city. Even the metropolis parts arent really impressive either.
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No. 64404
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Rum is the best alcoholic drink.
And it's also the worst.

It's the best because unlike many others it's actually feels nice to drink it, it's all about the process rather than the result.
The reason why it's the worst is because due to how easy it is to consume, you can quickly turn alcoholic.
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No. 64405
>>64404
Shiet. I know Russia is our biggest export market for kangaroo meat, I wonder if you guys get Aussie rum or at least sugar too :-D

Grybdogolony.
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>>64405
Intredasting, never heard of it. Found only one shop which sells kangaroo meat, it's more expensive than beef (but not much) and it's "not available now".
Information in news websites (mostly noname ones) is contradictory. It says that kangaroo meat import was banned in 2009. It also says that it was banned in 2013. And that in 2020 it's still added in Russian kielbasa after it's imported as other kinds of meat on paper.

> Grybdogolony
I recently joked about kilt in today threda. Then recalled that kilt is anglo trick to humilate scots with anglo textile industry. And started to read Galkovsky's blogposts until I was sick of him.
He recently published a book with compilation of letters of his mentally ill sister to him. He also started Youtube blog where he dresses up in different styles and speaks about different topics which all come down to British tricks. About his lecture about Nabokov:
> Vera -- vile talentless dyke who worked on British intellegence. Vladimir -- son of British agent and successors of pedophiles who was supposed to become homosexual prostitute just like his brother but became perfect and greatest Russian writer instead.
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No. 64407
>>64405
>kangaroo meat
WTF, is it even tasty? I suspect that people who buy it in Russia are rich jackasses who eat it simply for showing-off.

>I wonder if you guys get Aussie rum
I'm kinda curious about that too. I saw (and drank) a lot of different liquors from lotsa different countries in here, but I've never encountered anything from Straya. Maybe they sell something in Russia.

>sugar
Most sugar is locally produced there, I believe. They used to import sugar from Cuba in Soviet times ("Куба, отдай наш хлеб. Куба, возьми свой сахар...“), and it's probably easier to import it from Americas, Asia and maybe even Africa now than from Straya.
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No. 64409
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>>64406
Honestly i am just glad we're finally stopping with this import reliance bullshit. People in charge of the Russian Empire fucked up so badly in the XIX century after the Napoleonic Wars when the forgot to industrialize while Western Europe did it, took us an entire century to fix their mistakes and even today the food problem is not solved.
>inb4 it's the commies fault
without commies we would've not had the nukes and the country probably wouldn't even exist today
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No. 64410
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>>64409
>Russian Empire fucked up so badly in the XIX century after the Napoleonic Wars when the forgot to industrialize
The collapse of the Russian empire can be partially tied back to a drive to industrialize at breakneck speeds.
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No. 64411
FUCK I fell asleep after work and now I have less time to wrap everything. This is going to be a pain in the ass. I also felt nauseaus and burning up but my temperature was 97.
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No. 64412
Christmas bonus this year was weak. I only got a bit over 3000 Euros for December, including christmas money. I just started this job, though, so there is potential for more.
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No. 64413
Some fucking literallywho far relatives are coming over to "express their condolences", which is a code word for pigging out at someone else's expense again.
Fucking subhuman oogabooga traditions.

And since I don't have my own room any more, because mom insisted I move back in, I have nowhere to go but sit on a bench outside.
I don't care if that shithole didn't have heating, I'd rather freeze to death in peace.
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No. 64414
>>64413
Move out, then.
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No. 64415
>>64414
Good idea. Next paycheck I'm going back.
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No. 64416 Kontra
I don't get why I felt so weak and sick. I still feel weak in the stomach and spent my morning puking saliva and bile. I felt either freezing or way too hot. The fuck, I don't have time for this shit. I didn't realize what day it is and somehow kept thinking it was still a Wednesday. I literally have until falling asleep at like 9pm tonight to get anything else done which means whatever I'll call relatives on Christmas because those cards aren't getting done. Too sick, tired, and slow to do barely anything this morning. My foreheada felt burning up but my temp was well below normal.

I'm actually getting vaguely worried now I caught somethingyes it matters greatly if I did because my folks are elderly and not in greatest health. I've now got just enough time left to force down more coffee and start getting ready for work fuck
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No. 64417
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>>64416
>I don't get why I felt so weak and sick. I still feel weak in the stomach and spent my morning puking saliva and bile
Day 7 of looking at the American flag and thinking bad thoughts. My hex is already manifesting itself.
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No. 64419
My infantile fantasy of doing the bare minimum, getting paid the bare minimum, and living off the bare minimum, and being content, didn't quite work out.

I guess I'm going to have to start trying now. Fuck.
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No. 64420 Kontra
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>Arts and design advocates have proposed that the acronym STEM be expanded to STEAM to recognize how the arts contribute to inventiveness in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

:DDD rotating sciences advocates incoming ...

pls I don't want to discuss it, just a sidenote. Though an intersection of science and art did happen at least since the 1960s, maybe even further back
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No. 64421
>>64420
>Though an intersection of science and art did happen at least since the 1960s, maybe even further back
You mean like when da Vinci used geometry and trigonometry to construct his paintings? Or music being inherently mathematical? Or metallurgy going hand in hand with artful craftsmanship (provided you call a very nice piece of jewelry or a ruler's weapon or whatever a piece of art). Or advances in physics and engineering creating a complete new field of art (the one using lenses)? Or did you mean something else, like people drawing stuff with fluorescent bacteria?
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No. 64423
>>64421
I was thinking of explicit statements and histories in a time where science was and still is a large enterprise and the postwar years have seen an increased acceleration of the scientific project so to speak, thus more artists engaging with it and having dialogs and inspiration. I'm not sure if you can count the use of certain engineered tools as an intersection of art and science, would be a bit broad. I mean all optical media and the forms of art that go with it would then count into it.
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No. 64426
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>>64417
Do Canada next. I had some Timbits yesterday; they were terrible, and now all Canadians must know how I suffered with their subpar donuts.
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No. 64427
>>64426
In the astral realm, Canada and the USA are the same entity.
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No. 64431
>>64427
That's some you a Shia innit m8 tier accusations also completely true which is why it pisses both us off so much
t. Not him
Also most of the worst alleged murican abominations are in fact Canadian. Their gruel with french fries and curds or Kraft among them.
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No. 64432
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The tree is set up, and I wrapped the gifts to the best of my abilities.
This year's Christmas is kinda meh. There's no cookies or any kind of pastry, no copious amounts of soft drinks.
There's some French dough in the fridge, so I have my hopes up for something tasty tomorrow, but I don't know.

And it turns out I got my exam schedule fucked up, so I'll have to prepare for three exams in two weeks and it's doable but I'm anxious again. I'm going to just leg it, and focus on finishing Journey to the West, reading the sparknotes for Dream of the Red Chamber and reading the recommended volume of short stories and poems and then hope only reading 2/3 of the required novels is enough.

I've also decided to shave off my beard because it keeps getting in the way and I'm tired of it.
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No. 64437
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>>64431
I know it irritate both Americans and Canadians, because it's true. It irritates different sorts too, murkaphile Canadians won't be offended by you saying their country is the same thing. The sort that are offended by the comparison are those who believe Canada is more European, and try to look down on America with the same snobbery as people from European capitals do. My Canadian cousin asked me if I planned on visiting the US while I was there. I told him 'this is close enough' and he was a little upset for the rest of the 2h car drive.
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Slept for 16 hours. Rate.

>>64407
It's actually pretty noice. It's gamey as fug, but tasty if you like gamey meat. It's also really good for you because it's quite low fat.

Regarding booze, the most common Aussie rum that'd be cheap and not hipster trash is Bundaberg. It's hard to miss on a shelf.

Also apparently Russia isn't our market anymore, with English Wikipedia saying that stopped in 2009, and that it was mostly used in small goods rather than as a plain meat. Now it's all the western euroids.

Indaresting.

I also read this yesterday which is about an ebin Indigenous tradition in a remote community here, where the missionaries failed to fully convert the population, so they merged old as fug stories and traditions with modern settler ones.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-23/aboriginal-christmas-tradition-wangkarnal-crow-western-australia/100715128

I think we should bring this to all of Australia. Guys dressed up like spoopy crows are way cooler than Santa tbh.
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No. 64439
>>64406
Ebin. I'm not sure I get the humour properly with those characters since they probably fit into a different tradition than I'm used to, but that alienation is in itself kind of funny.

Too bad Australia is too much of a colony to even cast actual shade at the former empire today. I feel like we are in a good place for it.
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No. 64446
It's odd how sometimes you can just persist in a zombie like state for days or even years at a time, not even questioning your own motives or self reflecting on anything. There is a fear that not both our parents will be alive for next year, and I went as all out as I could. It is strange how a man can get used to absolutely anything, given time. This is the busiest and most focused and regulated I have been in awhile, and yet also in a zombie like state.

It's been one of the most reflective holidays I can remember having for a long time. Lots of memories, and lots of angles. I realize now how far gone my brain is from healed, and am just in general really reflecting on everything about my life right now, and yet I return here too. Sometimes I don't even know why. Why do I talk strangers I have never met online all day, when in place I could have real relationships with real people. About love, and pain, and missed opportunity, and a hopeful dread of the things to come. I cannot even explain this feeling. It is strange as an adult to really finally reflect on one's life, and to remember every Christmas past, even as you realize how much you cannot remember anymore. About values, and traditions, and beliefs, this has quietly been one of the most introspective and remembering of holidays I can remember having, and the stern belied not to be who I was even as remembering in honesty. Merry Christmas.
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No. 64456
Merry Christmas, Ernst!
Let's sing a classic christmas song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZeWypzk9dw
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No. 64457
That's very cool, it's snowing this morning. Merry Christmas ernsts
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No. 64467
>>64457
Here it's been foggy. Then it started raining, a lot.
I don't even need snow, but rain sucks.
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No. 64490
How the fuck am I supposed to shake off my paranoid belief that life is a matrix-like simulation when I regularly get talked to unsolicited by colorful schizo characters every week like I'm in a video game?

I already talked about the random drunk retard talking at me last week
But this night I got approached by an elderly schizo who pointed at our Dunghan neighbors (they keep a vegetable and produce shop nearby)(Dunghans are a little known central asian ethnicity), and claimed that they're chinese spies/infiltrators imported by Nazarbayev to keep the kazakh population diluted and weak.
The Dunghans went to the store and on their way back, while I was trying to explain to the old man the difference between Dunghans and Chinese, and how they speak Chinese because of historical reasons, and that they don't actually represent the PRC, he hushed me, "so they can't hear us", and started spouting pretend-conversational topics like "so, how's work been? How's family?", etc.
I answered these questions honestly, like if they were asked of me in any other context.
"I just go to work and go home. Things are as usual. My family is doing fine, except for my father who is an alcoholic".

After having witnessed my autism, he lost interest in me and left. In the same direction as the Dunghans, mind you. So he probably started following and stalking them.

My life would be so interesting if it weren't so boring. Maybe there's a "schizo attraction princinple", where I am so obviously schizo that other schizos sniff me out immediately.
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No. 64491
>>64490
>Maybe there's a "schizo attraction princinple", where I am so obviously schizo that other schizos sniff me out immediately.

Nah, you probably just look like a fella that will listen to their drivel. And you do! They have a sixth sense for that. When I was younger (I still look quite young but I changed my clothing) I was talked to by alcoholics and people with problems sometimes in public and I also answered because I wasn't able to shake them off or be cold enough to make them go away.

Also Merry Crissy Ernsts, mine has been calm. I was reminded that this cultural ritual is kinda weird looking from the outside. People get a small tree (it was actually the cut-off tree crown once?) in their living room and put shiny things on it. How can you make fun of other people and their rituals when you participate in this one? I like it though. My parents still use real candles and have gathered lots of different Christmas tree decorations over the years.
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No. 64493
What is it exactly that causes the "old people mindset"? Is it just the age, i.e. the cumulative amount of life, or is it more like the ever-growing prospect of or imminent death?
If, let's say someone knew they'd live to 200 or 300 years, do you think that, at the age of, say, 80, they would talk about young people or the world in general in the same way a "regular" 80 year old who knows he will probably be dead in ten to 15 years?
What if you're immortal? Would your wisdom actually grow or is there a limit to the wisdom one person could gather, in the sense of "diminishing returns"?
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>>64457
The reason why you started noticing schizos is the pandemic and geopolitical changes in the recent years.
They usually act more or less normal however when presented with a difficult task that they cannot logically describe because they don't use logic much - schizos start losing their marbles and panic, and it looks like the whole world has gone mad.
Just relax, you are not in the matrix, you are normal. It's them. They have mental issues, you don't.
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No. 64503
>>64341
> Now I know why Kohlers are the happiest people on earth.
They really are. Imagine collecting Hartz IV and discussing e-celebs and other nonsense for all day long. Life could be dream.
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No. 64507
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I posted this drawing before, but immediately noticed two mistakes. They were easy to fix, but I had to wait a full year with them gnawing at me before I could repost. Finally, my conscience can rest :D

Merry Christmas, Ernst.
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No. 64509
>>64507
Santa's Workshop?
I wish I could visit Santa's Whoreshop, now that would be a great Christmas gift.
(I do not celebrate Christmas)
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No. 64511
>>64409
>without commies we would've not had the nukes and the country probably wouldn't even exist today
It's quite the opposite thing. Russia would be much stronger if commies didn't took the power. No civil war, no Treaty of Brest, no collectivization and no talented scientists and engineers executed or fleeing to west.
Other countries somehow got nukes without bolshevism. And in Russia it was a case when necessity overcame ideology as quantum mechanics was criticized for being "idealistic" and "undialectical", so if not nuclear program then Kurchatov could easily face same fate as Vavilov.
Just think of it. Sergei Korolev, father of Russian space program, one who sent the first man to space was imprisoned for "participation in trotskist conspiracy". He had to work on golden mine on Kolyma and got severely ill with scurvy there. How much more he could achieve live he in normal country and didn't have to go through all this?
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No. 64517
Sometimes I larp as lonely virgin by posting "tfw no gf" and related stuff, like >>>/b/44575.
People will agree and share their feels while I sit there, judging and laughing at them for being so pathetic.
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No. 64521
>>64517
Devilish, evil even.
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No. 64522
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I'd say Christmas eve went swimmingly.
We ate lunch, lazed around some and then went over to grandma's and my uncle's.
I got a 10k note and a few scratch tickets, netting me 11.5k total.
I shaved off my beard before lunch and I look like a fucking teenager again.

My uncle got my grandma a xiaomi kettle, and my entire family belittled me after asking me how it's pronounced.

We shared presents after we got home. This year's loot was okay I guess.
Got that edition of the Yi Jing I was after, a box of Marlenka, a box of matcha pocky, an enormous vanilla candle, some winter socks and winter pajamas.

My mother decided to buy a gift for the whole family to enjoy together, so she bought a set of Settlers of Catan on my recommendation, and we played that after the gifts.
It was kind of a rocky start because of the complex rules but we really got into it by the end and I didn't die of shame that I caused my mother to waste money on something that only caused disarray in the family.

Today we played an escape room game my sister bought and holy shit was it cringe. I don't think anybody was truly able to enjoy it. We weren't into the "plot" and the puzzles were basically on the level of solving a crossword.
I feel embarrassed that we didn't have good family fun. I know no family is perfect and everything but I always felt like we fall short of that Ned Flanders-esque "idyllic family" picture where we can have fun over a board game properly, because three fourths of the family cannot lose with dignity.
But this time it wasn't our fault, it's just that the game itself was meh. (Don't know why we keep forcing ourselves to do escape room activities when nobody in particular seems to enjoy it, besides maybe my sister, but even then, she'd probably rather be with her friends.)
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No. 64523
>>64522
>and my entire family belittled me after asking me how it's pronounced.
Why's that lol? They're all top-level sinologists and laughed at your pathetic skills?

I never got the appeal of escape room games, especially those you play at home. Aren't they basically solved after playing them once? I was always under the impression they're for people who might or might not be smart to feel smart.
My mom suggested to play Café International (with, from a 2021 perspective, hilarious stereotypes) or Labyrinth, but we didn't get around playing it today, since I was at my in-laws for lunch.
It was nice, I ate some roulades with red cabbage and dumplings, then drank some red wine my brother-in-law opened, we talked a bit, then drank some whisky with my BIL and had a good laugh about the "Church of Bicep" posts (a facebook site from some years ago that was basically a take on the lol Jesus subject, but with a bodybuilding theme) and later watched Police Academy 3 (the tv station showing it apparently started with part 9 or so and worked their way back, for whatever reason).
Then I walked home listening to "In the Court of the Crimson King", ate some leftovers from yesterday and now am ready to shitpost, though I also started reading Lord of the Rings again and want to continue with that.
Tomorrow I will be eating at my dad's place and in the evening visit a friend, with the prospect of being shitfaced by no later than midnight, because it always ends like that.
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No. 64526
>>64523
Well, it was more along the lines of "Well, nobody actually cares"

>Aren't they basically solved after playing them once?
Yes. We made sure to not damage any parts so that we can "exchange it" for another escape room game on facebook marketplace. (Don't know why the fuck would we want to put ourselves through this boring torture again, but whatever.)
I guess it's more of an "alibi activity". We did something as a family, even if nobody actually enjoyed it all that much and it nearly turned into an argument a few times.

>Labyrinth
That's another one of those boardgames I saw in kindergarten and at school but never got to play for some reason.
(I suggested Catan for my mother precisely because we had a set in elementary school but we were told we can't play it until we're bigger. Which mean that we never played it and never looked at it after the class got it as some sort of prize.)

>I also started reading Lord of the Rings again and want to continue with that.
I'm jealous you have time to read what you want. I still have a bunch of exams and I need to prepare for those.

2bh we're not visiting any other relatives this Christmas, which feels strange.
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No. 64527
>>64526
Then why did they ask? Dumb family. Or did you not just tell them how to pronounce it but actually went on a tangential excourse how chinese is pronounced in general and what different variations there can be if you don't hit the tone correctly?

But yeah, I really don't get escape room games. My last boss was into that stuff, so I can say for certain it's an activity I am either too young or too non-boring for.
I am thankful we are not doing any forced family activities, though my mom has been insisting for the last years to sing christmas songs before presents. This year we didn't because we preponed everything due to new humans in the family and because my mom started learning the piano this year and didn't manage to learn Silent Night until christmas, so she was a bit bummed out. I am glad we didn't sing, I don't like singing like that.
Labyrinth is actually rather fun, but it's also something I haven't played in years. Just like Clue (although I find that pretty overrated, since you need to "deduct" about as much there as you need "strategy" in Risk).
My mom also enjoys that game where you have to place little gems in opposing wells and stael your opponents gems, but I don't like it because if you're about equally strong a single session takes forever and in the end you get screwed over because she understood the rules wrong.

>I'm jealous you have time to read what you want.
Well, that's the perks of not being a student anymore. Although even as a student I of course could have read anything I wanted, but just didn't have the energy anymore to read anything for fun, especially since most of the stuff I had to read was in english, which is even worse than reading boring shit in german.
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No. 64528 Kontra
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>>64527
A bit of both. My father joked that it's "Siamiau" (The name of a cartoon character) and I told him that it's a bit different and he told me that "Well, nobody besides you calls it "Shaomi"" and I said that it's because it's Xiaomi and not Shaomi.
So ultimately I was the assburger I guess, but they did provoke it.
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No. 64533
>>64528
lmao, as expected.
Though now I am wondering how one could properly express the "Xi" sound in an english language written post.
We learned it basically like the german "ch" sound (as is Milch for example), so I would write it as "Chao-Mi" with the aforementioned pronounciation hint in german, but afaik there is no english sound that could properly approximate it.

Fun story here: We had one guy in chinese class who couldn't pronounce ANYTHING even if his life depended on it. I don't even know why, but it was funny having him pronounce "xi" and "zhan" and "zhongguo" (like tsong-goo-oh) and all that.
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No. 64534 Kontra
>>64533
And to add to that, this was a big pet peeve of mine when playing Deus Ex HR. One character was called "Zhao Yun Ru" and they pronounced her name "ssao yunn roo".
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No. 64535
Can normie ernsts tell me which is more shameful, bedding trashy women and thus getting socially involved with people you don't want to associate with, or being an undersexed nerd?
I am trying to figure out if I missed out on anything, because I've had... opportunities, so to speak, which I didn't take because of those stupid and gay things called "principles" and "pride" and shit.

>>64528
People here call it "qsiaomi" because people are a) unfamiliar with latin, b) doubly so unfamiliar with latinized chinese.
Wait til I tell you how post-sovoks pronounce Japanese.
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No. 64536
>>64535
Undersexed nerd = incel = worst of all.
On a personal note, I hate people who don't take opportunities because I never had them and had to actively generate them.
Also, bedding trashy women doesn't mean to get involved into their social circles, unless you're invited to one of their weddings and bed that chick right behind a curtain that then falls down. Happened to me once, my heart almost dropped, but instead of killing me they were cheering at me "bang her, bang her until her moolah gets wide!" and the camera dudes were putting all those crazy special effects in the recordings and the orchestra was playing real porn polka music... I have been invited to each of their weddings ever since.
But the embarrassing thing was: My dick length on that day was only 17cm instead of representing an 18cm thai boxer dick!
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No. 64537
>>64536
Interesting...
Thanks for your contribution.

I do not think the social interaction you have described is one I would consider valuable in my life.
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No. 64538 Kontra
>>64533
>We had one guy in chinese class who couldn't pronounce ANYTHING even if his life depended on it.
We had plenty of people like that here. Most of them dropped out, but quite a few of them hardened up and now do very well.
The most interesting was a guy who came here after he already learned Japanese and after that Chinese was either of little interest to him or he just couldn't grasp the pronunciation.

>Milch
There's no perfect way of doing this 2bh. Most of the time these approximations are just temporary until you learn the sound properly.
But personally the ch in milch seems good enough. We don't have a sound like this so we were just told to give a light h to a Hungarian sh sound irc, but my dictionary for example says "Saying j and sz at the same time" so saying a jott and an sh sound at the same time. Ultimately you just listen to the lecturer enough times and you drill enough that it's no longer an issue.

But to answer your question I'd say something like hshiaoh-meeh would be sufficient for an English speaker without any qualifications, but this is dangerously close to the Postal romanization and I don't like it. (And then again, it depends on what variety of English it is, on top of me having a kinda heavy Eastern Euro accent.)
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No. 64542
>>64538
How about some ameriballs (without chinese or xiaomi knowledge) vocaroo your suggestion? Could be fun.
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No. 64544
I'm considering a euro railpass. I should travel this year. Maybe an easy route would be from Germany to Antwerp (want to see Belgium and especially Antwerp) and then southern Italy (Bari) and back to Germany. This means 3 days of travel in less than one month that costs me 246€ since I'm older than 27. I guess taking the train's single would be more. Anyway. Could you imagine I stay below 500€? It means 250€ for about 10 days that includes accommodation (I'm ok with shitty as long as it is "safe") and food and maybe some fun activity (I've nothing planned).
I want to go to southeastern Europe but I'm not sure if most people speak English (granted I my journey doesn't revolve around hostels and its connected traveler culture/life). I'm not a die-hard traveler that wants to communicate via hand etc. some people seek it, I think it is awkward, even though it was normal.
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No. 64545
>>64535
Tbh, my cope is that you can regret shit all you like. Better to just deal with it and do what you can going forward though.
t. wasted best years on untreated mental illness
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No. 64548
>>64545
Yeah, but you have to consider the CRINGE you will experience for years after a shameful/regretful event.
I still experience debilitating cringe over stuff I did as a child, imagine how painful it would be to recall something more recent and also more impactful.

It's all an optimization game.
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No. 64549
>>64548
Sure, but I can't reload a save and unruin those years. All I can do is try and make what I got left less cringe.
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No. 64550
>>64549
I think the more relevant question is how to accumulate less cringe.

But what do I know. I'm too much of a coward to accumulate good memories, let alone cringe ones.

Then again, I have impaired memory retention due to ADHD, so only bad memories persist. Brains are gay.
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No. 64553
>>64550
Relateable sentiment.
t. same settis.
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No. 64574
I will never drink alcohol again
(I hope)
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No. 64575
How to make friends as a 30 yo?
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No. 64579
>>64575
Socialize in places where you're likely to meet others. Gyms are a great place to start. Once you make it your habit of going there 3+ times a week, others will notice you and want to know you more. Strike up conversation and go from there.

Look up hobby groups or book clubs that meet in real life regularly.
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No. 64580
>>64575
Have you experienced your existential crisis yet?
Around 28-35 you're supposed to start rethinking your whole life, which i assume is what you've started doing now.
It will feel like you're going insane, split personality and all that.

after that life's suddenly good and you don't bother yourself with a question "How to make friends as a 30 yo?".

Spoiler: you don't need to.
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No. 64581
>>64580
I had that when I was 19-20

t. Shizo
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No. 64582 Kontra
>>64581
Or probably 19-22
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No. 64586
>>64535
> those stupid and gay things called "principles" and "pride" and shit
But what is so wrong here? For me it's quite the opposite: Dostoevsky gave me savior complex and taught me to marry sluts and even professional prostitutes.
More concerning thing are STDs. I heard to cure some of them you need to insert stick with drugs into your benis. Doesn't sound good, man. Maybe I'm schizo but this pandemic with people wearing triple masks showed me that I'm not alone.
I'm kinda in your situation now as really slutty girl proposing fucking her with sex in vagina to me. And I dunno.
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No. 64587
Speaking about prostitutes btw. Checked local options on the corresponding website. Cheaper when I expected.
More surprising thing is that website has forum for different topics, and it's the most civilized place in internet after EC. Pretty much of it are standard boomer talks which every Russian gets regularly exposed to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLgO5edelZE
Also they organize orgies with traps and be like "yes we suck their dicks but we are nohomo. No homos allowed to party".
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No. 64588 Kontra
>>64586
It's not really worth it although it depends on a number of factors
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No. 64589
>>64587
>>64587
>Checked local options on the corresponding website.
Post some of what you found :DD
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No. 64590
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>>64581
i was bothered with studying and trying to make difference in the world so i never stopped to think. Now i'm just a hedonistic clown.
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No. 64603
A few days ago my ex called me to wish me a happy birthday, she sounded so genuine and nice but obviously preoccupied with something (or someone) else. It made me remember all the good things that happened between us, all the good times we had. All the reasons that made me break it up with her were still there, but somehow mattered less. I've been feeling down ever since. Am I a wimp? Why do feelings hit me so hard and how do I stop feeling so bad?
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No. 64604
>>64603
I know that feel.
Do you regret breaking up with her? Do you still love her in any way? If not, try to remember why you broke up with her and how that made you feel.
If you're young and you haven't been together for longer than, say half a year, there's no use crying about it anyway. The best approach in this case is to look ahead and have fun.
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No. 64605
>>64604
>Do you regret breaking up with her?
No, there was pretty much no other way.
>Do you still love her in any way?
We were extremely compatible in some ways, but apparently not at all in others, I miss our connection a lot.
>If not, try to remember why you broke up with her and how that made you feel.
I try to do that all the time.
>If you're young and you haven't been together for longer than, say half a year, there's no use crying about it anyway. The best approach in this case is to look ahead and have fun.
She's definitely young, I am... less so, and we had been together for almost a year. I know it's no use brooding over it but I can't really help it. Judging by the past experiences, it will also poison the next few months of my life at least.
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No. 64611
It's le christmas in west and I have nobody to shitpost with.
Jesus himself was probably an OK dude, but the fuckwits who made a religion about him can "eat my body" if you know what I mean.

Fucks sake you don't need to celebrate his birthday en masse, that's just weird.
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No. 64612
>>64611
Also, "mass", "en masse", get it?
I worked really hard for this joke so you better not fucking miss it.
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No. 64620
>>64611
Indeed, you could just become Islamicwhy do you personally hate religion and Islam so much?
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No. 64622
>>64611
It just shows how much ordinary people use imageboard these days. It has become a cesspool for people to vent off their unprocessed feelings.
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No. 64638
When you get the easy shift (night clean, no managerial oversight) on a quiet night with public holiday penalty rates.

Making a good wage for what isn't too much physical exertion feels booj as fug. Feels weird man.
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No. 64641
Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this
(thinking of you, aussie and brick), the Chaos congress this year will be entirely online again and as always it's free for anyone. You will find the live streams here:

https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/c3lounge

The opening talk will be in about 1 hour (I assume it's in english, but these guys usually have live-subtitles for most streams).
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No. 64642
>>64641
Ebin. Will watch some tonight after wwerk
t. hanks

Reminds me, ya boy got more O B S C U R E cinema/documentary for your list :-DDD

https://youtu.be/rbpRsyQs0oY
Unfortunately not download friendly unless you can rip youtube subs but an indaresting watch on what happened to the Arab Spring activists when the Syrian Civil War really kicked off, with players actively hostile to them becoming the big players. Consider it repayment for the good Syria infa youve supplied in the past.
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No. 64644
>>64641
lel, I like how they're intentionally leaning hard on the hackerman aesthetic
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No. 64645
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Seems to be built on top of NGINX with the RTMP plugin, so the stream can be accessed with VLC or anything that can read RTMP packets really.
I also like how they have a le ebin hacker group ASCII logo in their html.

They seem to be using https://www.mediaelementjs.com/ as the in-browser player.
Haven't heard of this, people usually go with something simple like hls.js, or full featured like video.js

I guess there is no way currently to play live stream video in a browser without javascript, and browsers dropped RTMP support a long time ago.

I wonder why the native video player couldn't have just been repurposed.
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No. 64646
>>64645
They usually have links to the HLS files available so you can simply watch using mpv or vlc.

But right now they seem to have some problems with that, which is why the stream is starting a bit late... in any case, the "Fahrplan" at the bottom has the links, except that they are dead right now. eg. https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/rc3/cwtv/hls
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No. 64647 Kontra
>>64646
Oh well, the streams work when you select them here: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3

Just not in the Fahrplan apparently.
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No. 64649
on a related note

It's weird to me that it's [CURRENT YEAR], and the most popular and the only scalable way of delivering live video (a problem solved in the analog world before there was even a technology for storing said video), is to generate a literal playlist file of 5 second video chunks and stitch them together on the client side with a video player written in javascript even though the browser already has native video playback functionality, which can't be used for this purpose.

just seems a little sub-optimal is all.
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No. 64650
> NGINX, RTMP, VLC, ASCII, html, hls, mpv
Fucking IT.
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No. 64654
>>64622
>muh seekrit club
This attitude was one of the factors why KC went to shit. Dumb faggots losing their shit when someone wasn't a kissless virgin anime watching fatass stereotypical "my specific idea of an imageboard lurker" Bernd. Instead of cultivating proper board culture constant bickering that went so far "Keinbernd" got a wordfilter.
And btw, Keinbernds have built EC.

>>64611
We are not celebrating Jesus' birthday though, but the winter solstice. Jesus wasn't even born that day, but they needed something to cover up the heathen traditions with.
And just to be correct here, solstice actually fell on the 24th/25th when christmas was introduced due to the calendar they used.

I personally enjoy spending time with my family I don't see that often. And please don't reply to me, I drank half a bottle of whisky and a few beer and went to bed at 5 or so and feel like shit right now.
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No. 64655
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No. 64656
>>64655
I KILL YOUCUNT MX HRAD HURTS SAY THAT TO MY FSCE NOT ONLINEFUCKER SEE
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No. 64658
Some probably mentally ill 19 year old was caught with a crossbow and the plan to execute the queen, which is actually based af.
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No. 64659 Kontra
>>64654
>This attitude was one of the factors why KC went to shit. Dumb faggots losing their shit when someone wasn't a kissless virgin anime watching fatass stereotypical "my specific idea of an imageboard lurker" Bernd. Instead of cultivating proper board culture constant bickering that went so far "Keinbernd" got a wordfilter.
>And btw, Keinbernds have built EC.

So many assumptions and strawmen. I wasn't talking about people having sex nor not being fat or whatever comes to your mind. I was talking about Joe Average needing to be edgy online and vent off his frustrations. I don't want Joe Average doing what he does on imageboards. The problem is that Joe Average doing what he does builds certain board culture. Some people might have had a problem with what Joe Average built, regardless if he had sex at some point. At least I don't have a problem with that since I'm not a kissless virgin that is fat or watches anime.
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No. 64661
Recovered from stronk food poisoning. Water has never been so tasty. And I was never so happy simply to be alive.
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No. 64662 Kontra
Because we have good Germans on boardand also because bigotry actually is ungodly I'm going to try holding my tongue about this one coworker who does nothing but complain loudly about others not working, who is jealous, argumentative, covetous, basically stereotypical 14/88s German but man, this person is going to be trying me.

>>64659
Both these things are true though. Like even I had lots of sex while I was posting on casey at points, but that wasn't ever the problem. Some of our worst shitposters were just degenerative as human beings, and that is partly why they stayed kissless virgins in the first place. Frankly I always thought incels put waaay too much emphasis on sex. Moreover they viewed everything sexual or romantic through the same perverse lens and that is to say they projected how they were warped as human beings on everything else. I actually tried to help and guide them numerous times before, before realizing some of them were just stunted mentally ill human beings who literally did not want to change regardless if they could not change in the first place. I am positive that k*hl is filled with such shitposters, mixed in with everyone who was permabanned for being a pedophile or other reasons, combined with half the userbase being near normalfag tier vierkanal bydlo.

In your point, yes they are partly so cancerous because vierkanal basically just became all the shitheads from reddit, news article comment sections, youtube comment sections, tshitter, and fagbook coming on there and first shitting up that place before coming onto casey. They are and were a human cancer that ruined everything it touched, literal internet rapefugees that utterly destroyed first 4cancer, then casey, and finally moved on to ruining ernstchan.com, and are an incurable plague. They presently populate probably k*hl in very high volumes too, and are incapable of understanding it is they that are the shitposters and their homes are shit precisely because they're themselves such shit people but still think everyone else is the problem. They are basically, in essence, a bunch of dumb faggots and are not capable of self motivated change regardless they had sex or not, are complete NT normalfags or not, are posting on shitholes like twitters or not. For some reason the American elections drew so many more in like a plague of locusts it destroyed all it touched online, regardless their opinions or leanings about anything, and never understood it is their behaviour which made them shitposters and that is why we hated them. In fairness to that, we had everyone from unironical royalists and monarchists, to sincere fascists and sincere Communists, to Objectivists and NatSocs, and they were never as huge a problem as they all were bernds, and it should be pointed out we had druggies and keines all the time as well. None of these was the problem. It was the shitheads from outside they brought in that killed all our sites.

All this is ultimately not because of even being normalfags, cancerous as they may be, but because of their low IQ bydlo behaviours. This is why someone like RAC is welcomed with open arms whereas a /p*l/ tier shithead is not, just like we don't want fucking esjays on here either, because they're not capable of being ernsts. They're one line shitposts with a stale wojak meme, and that's all they can or are willing to be, and are redditors in the same way reddit stole /b/ memes and mutilated them into cancer in exactly the same way that /p*l/ stole things like our wojak memes and did the same thing. This is because they're mundanes. They're not capable or willing to be anything else, and likewise, k*hl is largely incapable of being anything but subhuman similar to the way tshitter posters are only with more pedophilia.

I also do not know why we keep having this brought up because it's just beating a dead horse. We all were there. We all saw what happened. We all know the facts of the truth of the matter and there's no point arguing over it.
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No. 64666 Kontra
>>64659
>I wasn't talking about people having sex nor not being fat or whatever comes to your mind.
And I wasn't talking about you, friend.
Protip: Make sure you read a post to the end AND understand it before posting a reply missing the point really hard and making you look like a buffoon.
inb4 no u
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No. 64673
One of the most alienating things I've experienced was finding out that most people don't listen to lectures recreationally.
Can you imagine?
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No. 64674
>>64673
Depends on the kind of lecture, on the lecturer and if I actually want to learn something.
Lectures as background noise in the way I would put on radio or something seems utterly pointless.
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No. 64675
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>>64662
>They are and were a human cancer that ruined everything it touched, literal internet rapefugees that utterly destroyed first 4cancer, then casey, and finally moved on to ruining ernstchan.com, and are an incurable plague. They presently populate probably k*hl in very high volumes too, and are incapable of understanding it is they that are the shitposters and their homes are shit precisely because they're themselves such shit people but still think everyone else is the problem

It's true, there were people making threads the other day on 4kohl asking what 'ebin' means. It's about 80% populated by 8chan/wizchan pedos, discord cliques and glowies at this point

Then as usual the place was covered in pedo threads and someone complained and got a ban for 'pedophobia'

Yep, pedophobia is now bannable on 4kohl. It's literally worse than the worst 4chan board at this stage. I don't know if the place is a honeypot or what anymore, because nobody seems to ever get in trouble for posting endless pedo shit
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No. 64676
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>>64674
Another alienating thing I discovered is that most people engage with music as "background noise". I either listen to music intently and try to pay attention, or turn it off, as music that is not being listened to is just noise pollution.
It's like trying to enjoy a painting with your peripheral vision.

My ideal conditions for listening to music is on a comfortable chair, in a completely dark room, eyes closed, phone turned off, alone in the house, uninterrupted, for 3 hours.
I wish I had more opportunities to do that.

For now, walking around in the park at 4 AM with headphones on suffices.
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No. 64677
>>64676
>It's like trying to enjoy a painting with your peripheral vision.
I am not sure if that analogy works, or are you actually trying to "enjoy" an e.g. advertisement painting the same way you would enjoy a Gauguin?
And what about muzak which is built explicitly as background noise?

Also, what lectures are you listening to? Something interesting?
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No. 64679
>>64677
>are you actually trying to "enjoy" an e.g. advertisement painting
No, in fact I am usually trying my hardest not to consciously perceive such things, let alone "enjoy" them.
>And what about muzak which is built explicitly as background noise?
Other people can enjoy whatever they want as long as they do not subject me to unsolicited sensory stimulus.

Actually, when I need background noise, I put on literal noise.
My favorites are Blue and Pink noise. Blue for lower frequency, pink for higher frequency. Brown noise is ok, but I feel like it's the jack of all trades and master of none. White noise is too harsh.

>Also, what lectures are you listening to? Something interesting?
I am interested in the intersection of art and technology, so here's a lecture I recently watched and enjoyed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9b-rtrcPEA

I don't know if such things actually count as lectures, but anything where a person talks about something in their field of expertise to an audience is what I consider a lecture. I exclude ted talks from this category.
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No. 64680
>>64679
So background music is verboten but you'll allow noise. I hope you're subject to an eternity of background music.
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No. 64682
>>64680
I almost wrote a long schizopost about how reification of art, be it images or music, strips it away to basically empty sensory stimulus, but how that also can be an interesting experience in itself.

But I am too lazy to type, so I will disengage, but not before wishing you to be eternally accompanied by a puerto rican neighbor who blasts reggaeton on gratingly cheap sounding, but nonetheless very loud speakers.
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No. 64683
>>64661
Glad to hear you're okay.

>>64680
>>64679
>>64677
I find very monotonic drums, link in some minimal techno stuff, to be very conducive for working. There is the obvious analogy to slave drums, but there is also a study I've read in a neuroscience journal that found brain waves (measured by EEG) to adjust to the frequency of music, which is completely wild tbh. There are implications for things like effectiveness of work-drums for slave labour, but also for mechanisms behind the sense of one-ness that entire crowds experience at live concerts.
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No. 64684
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>>64683
>mechanisms behind the sense of one-ness that entire crowds experience at live concerts.
Actually, this is another normal phenomenon that I find deeply uncomfortable.

Participating in crowd activity makes me aware of the fact that I am being subsumed into this new emergent entity that is the "crowd", it feels like I am being drained of my beingness, and assimilated into another being.
It's almost the mental equivalent of being eaten by a predator, or having cancer. Some Other that uses you as a resource or a medium for manifesting its own being.

Makes me think about Carpenter's The Thing, or Chuck Russel's The Blob (1988).
People say that Sci-Fi is the torchbearer of philosophy, which itself ossified and died within the walls of academic institutions.
But I think horror also serves this role, but isn't recognized as such.

_
To those who say that you can preserve your sense of individual existence in a crowd if you wish so. I don't think this phenomenon is at all related to how you personally feel, or your internal state when in a crowd.

Here's a scenario to think about. Say you are walking down a street, and you happen to be wearing a a red T-shirt with The Flash's (the superhero character) logo on it. And say that it just so happens that, a neo-nazi rally is happening right on the street you are walking on. The crowd of fat ugly fuckwits with swastika banners walks beside you, at the same pace.

Would you be at all conscious of the fact that you are now in close vicinity of a bunch of neo-nazis, while wearing a bright red shirt with a prominent white circle in the middle?
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No. 64685
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>>64684
>Would you be at all conscious of the fact that you are now in close vicinity of a bunch of neo-nazis, while wearing a bright red shirt with a prominent white circle in the middle?
You are like a little baby, check this out:

On the topic of crowds and that sense of one-ness, that has certainly to do with your general empathy and how damaged your brain is. I once watched a pretty interesting TED talk of a neurologist who had a stroke and talked about how during that stroke she felt great compassion towards the whole world etc.

What I would be interested in now is to see if we can quantify the "amount" of differences your brain has to a normal, i.e. neurotypical, species-specific human behavior brain and how typical your insights are for people with similar conditions like you. I find it very interesting because you're vocal while also being rather eloquent about it.
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No. 64686
>>64685
Eh, I personally wouldn't equate normality to averageness.

I think it is normal to have outliers in a population. In fact, it is imperative for survival. Abnormalities and mutations make sure that a species does not get pigeonholed into a niche, and then die out when said niche disappears. Or for any other dangers that would be equally effective to a homogeneous population, but wouldn't affect the outliers.

Crowding and huddling together is a great strategy until it isn't. The unfortunate thing is, the "mainstream" strategy is advantageous for the individuals involved, which is the reason the strategy is mainstream. Meanwhile, the outliers are effectively maladapted, as their purpose is to be the "backup plan" for when the main strategy fails.

Perhaps this is the "game theory" origin behind the concept/phenomenon of Martyrdom. One shall suffer for the sake of many.

Drawing parallels between game theory and human-level concepts is actually an interesting exercise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1CI9b1AMo
Here's a video of a former poker player explaining how he became aware of a mutually beneficial, but also selfish strategy, where some degree of cooperation is required by players to keep a certain "unspoken rule / order" to the game. He explains how he was frustrated that nobody recognized that enforcing or encouraging certain behaviors socially was also a legitimate strategy, despite the game itself being a individual vs individual competition. So this concept of an "enforcer", the one who punishes certain behaviors, for no immediate gain, or even harm to themselves, is actually generating a net selfish gain.
Now, is this not the "cause" of the concept of revenge? There is no benefit for one who was harmed, to pursue further pursue and antagonize the offender. In fact, it is harmful. But the mere existence of "revenge" generates net gain by an implicit understanding by all participants that others are willing to sustain personal losses, in order to ensure that a particular strategy that would otherwise be advantageous, is now disadvantageous for the individual engaging in it.
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No. 64688
>>64683
>that found brain waves (measured by EEG) to adjust to the frequency of music, which is completely wild tbh.

What would be wild about it? I don't know what that might implicate.

I'm not sure if I ever experienced one-ness on the dancefloor in a techno club even when pumped with drugs. The dancefloor is like a morphing body, a certain feeling of unity is provided, but while there is some synchronicity most people dance for themselves and not necessarily in sync with the beat. What I like though is that my brain gives up and I move more or less mindless to the beat for hours like a robot.
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No. 64690
>>64688
Your brain waves are different depending on your state of consciousness, or are different if you're an epileptic, i.e. they are directly related to the activity in your brain.
And music being able to influence those brain waves, while not really surprising, is still pretty cool due to the slave drums he mentions in his post, concert moods or generally music being able to bring certain people into certain moods. I personally choose my music depending on my mood usually, though for example Katie Melua's voice and music always have a soothing effect on me and of course there are certain single songs that evoke a strong feel because they remind me of things.
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No. 64691
>>64685
I think anyone who actually unironically calls things like empathy, altruism, or religiousity "brain damage" is a puerile edgelord who needs to grow the fuck up tbh. There's concrete, biological and evolutionary reasons as to why we develops these things so strongly in the first place. We can be butthurt at mundanes without being retarded about it.

>>64675
The thing is pedos are so much worse than "just" being pedos, as if being a child rapist wasn't reason enough on its own to get the bulletas a father I can't imagine how you could even go there at all without wanting to shoot these people. It isn't just like they are pedos and it's just some fetish; they are roundly awful alleged human beings. You ever listen to one of them when they're convinced they won't get caught talking about themselves and their thinking process? They literally blame the kids for it, say a child is trying to "seduce" them, do shit like saying they "love" the kid romantically when they then show other than perverse acts nothing but abuse, neglect, or sadism, they are basically so entirely fucked up as entities that it amazes me they can get by in a crowd because of how distinctive their aickness is and how it pervades every aspect of their beings. Consider this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrs8FbAQaKM
That is actually in every respect a child rapist. I've seen one person irl I was convinced was a pedo just based on the way he thought and acted. I am bringing this up because of the pedos who got kicked off of casey and now populate that shithole. They will do shit like search for pity when saying "but no one else will ever love me" or "but look at me no grown woman would have sex with me" as a way to excuse the fact they have no interest in a grown woman.

This is likewise a part of why I hate anime so damn much, because it coddles and breeds this kind of sickness and allows the actual child molesters to try and blend in with just degenerative weebs while attempting to normalize their sickness. But see the thing is, even calling it a sickness or mental illness feels wrong, because a mere shitposter and stunted human being or psychotic retard can't be held fully culpable for being an obnoxious reject, and it is genuinely a diseaseor maybe demons sorry remember that video Ireland posted on schizophrenia I found interestingif chopping their dicks off and forcing society to pretend mentally ill eunuchs are real women I see no reason why sending schizophrenics to church and exorcism by priests would be outlandish as experimental therapy like a drug addict with the exception that a junkie chose this path and that it's a moral sickness on top of a medical one. Pedos however are much like psychopaths in that they actively know what they're doing and are consciously and deliberately a bunch of manipulative self serving fucks, so I'm not even sure I'd call it a sickness. They are mental defectives, and they are evil.
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No. 64701
>>64691
>I think anyone who actually unironically calls things like empathy, altruism, or religiousity "brain damage" is a puerile edgelord who needs to grow the fuck up tbh.
You know I actually made this resolution of not replying to americans anymore, but congrats, with your typical "I read two words from a post and then reply" behavior I have seen so frequently on your home board you did manage to provoke a reply.
Did I call empathy brain damage? No, and had you read the following sentence you would have noticed that. Also, altruism in humans doesn't exist.
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No. 64711
Sectarians near subway station don't give me their booklets. =(
They think I'm beyond salvation?
Next time I'll be assertive and take it myself. I want to know what they are about.
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No. 64714
I was just thinking about homophobia in Russia but then I remembered fucking a guy in the ass isn't considered gay in slavic culture, so who are they even oppressing? My only conclusion is the "blowjob gays" are the ones who are discriminated.
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No. 64717
>>64714
They don't like gay culture.

Elements of gay culture such as shaving, grooming yourself, dressing well, taking showers regularly, having low body fat % and dressing fashionably, being interested in hobbies other than drinking cheap vodka, MMA and action movies, etc.
Even if you are not a homosexual, doing any of the above will get you labeled as a pidor.

Same settis here.
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No. 64718
>>64714
> who are they even oppressing

First of all, they are oppressing each other by sodomy but that isn't covered in western news as much, I guess. In prisons upper caste sodomizes lower caste. In army old-timers and ethnic minorities rape newbies. In everyday life police and FSB rape dissidents or random pidorashkas.

And then there appear western-style gays. They fuck each other, consider it normal and live happily. They break whole Russian hierarchy built on homo-opression. Literal terrorists. Of course it provokes raging reaction.

Actually there is a good copypasta about that but I don't know how to find it and it will be hard to translate.
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No. 64719
>>64711
If they're Jehova's Witnesses or some other new-wave American protestard sect then those prey mainly on the elderly. At least here. (Though it's not that they don't have some young converts too.)
Babushka lives alone in Brezhnevka, gets exposed to religious sect, gives them money. Many such cases.
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No. 64720
>>64719
I kind of regret no joining JWs back when it was new here. Even if just for kicks. Maybe I could've been a higher up member by now and reaped the benefits.
Always wanted to try out being in a cult.

Plus their headquarters here look neat.
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No. 64723
>>64719
Jehova's Witnesses are bottled here for taking Russian orthodox church's profits =D. Must be another cult.
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No. 64724
>>64719
Funny, most JWs I have met were eastern europeans.
I even have a friend who was born into one of those families (she's not one anymore).
My grandma disliked them to the point that when I was younger I thought they were something to be afraid of, but she also called them "Bibelforscher", which was the official nazi term for them, so I assume it was childhood conditioning.
But I have also seen Mormons (the white shirt backpack ones) walking around and speaking english.
I am always wondering what those are doing.
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No. 64726
I sometimes watch videos on how to manage ADHD without medication, because I don't have access to medication in this shithole non-country.
And in an admittedly stupid move, I read the comments.
There's inevitably a bunch of retarded American fundies talking about how evil medication is, and praising the health expert that made the video for promoting a lifestyle free of those evil "big pharma" Jewish drugs that are "crammed down our children's throats" and so on. Even though the intention of the video uploader was to help people who UNFORTUNATELY have no access to proper medication.
Some straight up deny the existence of ADHD as a condition, putting them in the same league as soviet and post soviet psychiatry that is 40 years behind in mental health research.

Another thing I love (read: intensely hate) is the appeal to nature argument. "My child is very special and just has a unique personality, and teachers and psychiatrists are trying to turn them into an obedient conformist drone". Like, I don't give a flying aerodynamic jet propulsion engine powered FUCK about (((nature))). I just want to get shit done.

Sure, pills are evil and Jewish big pharma is a conspiracy to destroy America, whatever. Maybe you should organize pogroms and seize all the ADHD medication and send it to my Islamic shithole as a means of chemical warfare so I can get the treatment I need. Fuckers.
It is my own fault for reading such things, of course. But I still wish there was a "hide posts originating from the USA" button in my browser.
In fact, I should make my contribution to EC in the form of a userstyle CSS script that automatically hides American posts.
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No. 64727
There're underground church members stationed at Russian literature sectors at my local library. They will approach anyone picking up dostoevsky. I think they probably belong to some korean evangalical cult.
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No. 64728
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>>64724
No, she's right, JWism is shit. I've known different people who left and they all called it a cult and hated it. It's what Russians mean by sectes.

>>64701
America is still the world super power, and you can thank us for our service, God Bless
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No. 64729
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Possibly the only perk of living in this third world shithole:
Kids can play with cool stray dogs even in urban environments.
There's no such thing as animal control in this country, so the streets are full of stray dogs and cats. Although, I haven't seen as many cats recently as I have in summer and autumn. Maybe the dogs ate them.

Note: this post violates COPPA, as I didn't bother to blur out this chubby little shit's face before uploading the photos.
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No. 64732
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I made a seizure-inducing EC banner.
Please rate and leave comments, criticism and suggestions in this thread.
Disclaimer: none of the comments, criticisms and suggestions will be followed, as this is the final design and I will not be bothered to further work on this.
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No. 64734
>>64732
>seizure-inducing
How do you know?
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No. 64735
>>64734
I am epileptic and tested it out on myself.
It was a good pain.
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No. 64741
>>64735
I don't believe you, but I want to.
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No. 64750
I used to live next to a brethren (burger style christoid fundies fairly common round here) family. They were fairly chill, and were the equivalent of 'goes to church once a month' if they weren't brethren, but still kind of culty. The others are really culty though. They're not meant to talk to outsiders, not allowed to watch tv or use computers, go to their own schools, own workplaces have their own church compound with 10 foot walls around it, and every motherfucker has a dress code at all times.

It's one of those things that makes you want to firebomb said church, because you see good folks being made to do stupid bullshit for the clergy's power fantasy.
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No. 64762
>>64750
Protestantism was a mistake what else can i say.
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No. 64766
I have noticed that currently there is this annoying as hell trend on the internet.
People just spread misery and depression, the amount of attentionwhore sadposting is insane. I don't mean ernstchan specifically, this place is mostly decent, but every other social media outlet is full of it.
Too many people whine about their problems instead of dealing with them. It's either this or people trying to build hype about boring events aka "happening".
Even if there's nothing happening.

I feel nausea from it. Or maybe it's just me being hungry. Time to eat.
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No. 64768
>>64766
You constantly whine about whining people. Don't you see how silly it looks?
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No. 64771 Kontra
>>64766
It's probably just your bubble, I mean what you want to tell us seems also true for Television. You just get more and more sucked into a boomer mindset as you grow tired of the world.

f. reud
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No. 64773 Kontra
>>64768
Nothing wrong with being a hypocrite. Also it's an observation.
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No. 64785
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Standing up for the poor humanists of no use to make their methods and knowledge usable in this rough productive economy.

>How and why people use energy is not always well understood, even by the companies that sell it. In the 1980s, one California electrical utility recognized that its customers were using their refrigerators more than they had expected. Because they could not understand what was going on from a functionalist model of the refrigerator as a machine for food preservation, they hired anthropologists to investigate. They found that refrigerators were used for much more than storing food. People also used them to hide money in fake plastic cabbages, to allow pet snakes to hibernate, and to preserve photographic film, nylon stockings, and drugs. And at times people opened refrigerators with no definite purpose, mentally foraging, trying to decide if they were hungry or whether anything inside was appealing. Often they closed the door without removing anything. Because of such unanticipated uses, the refrigerators were using more power than had been expected. The anthropologists recognized that every mechanical device suggests new possibilities. Indeed, the refrigerator began “to take on altogether new identities—as a vault, closet, display case, morgue.” On the basis of this study, the California utility was better able to predict demand and, to some extent, to change it. Likewise, every technology has multiple, unexpected uses, and citizens manage new products in visual, tactile, and verbal ways. Humanist methods not only can help others to understand this process; they also can suggest clear alternatives that are environmentally sound.
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No. 64788
I feel pretty awful.
I've been drinking so much the last month that I have acid reflux now.

Somehow I'm still managing to lose weight despite drinking on average 2.5 liters of piss lager every other day.
That's concerning. Either I'm cheating thermodynamics, or I'm causing something terrible to happen to my body.

I wonder which one it is.
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No. 64789
>>64788
Why not both?
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No. 64793
>>64785
I mean, I have definitely used my freezer as both a morgue and a preservative before, as well as a place to store underwear temporarily in the summer. You wrote that like you were about to make fun of them but it's pretty interesting and useful at the hard scientific muh numbers level, which also is likewise why epidemiologists aren't good at predictive behaviour. We had something similiar with the Blood Plague on WoW servers, where apparently it never occurred to the researchers that people are malicious idiots and ignorant fools, though to be fair I myself never would've achieved the level of cynicism to accurately predict the stupidity of the last two years alonebut then again I don't consider myself a humanist either.

>>64494
I don't even think schizo is an accurate word for describing such bydlo. Their specific disorder is bydloness which is what's causing that psychotic disconnect from factual reality, in much the same way the alleged doctors of yore would do stupid shit like put leeches on you, or people using folk "rememdies" like harvesting mold off a cadaver and mixing it in some concoction like modern raw water selling snake oil salesman. These people aren't schizoids, schizophrenics, nor schizotypalsthree distinct and largely unrelated disorders, in fact I'd go so far as to argue the term "schizo" itself is a strong mark of bydloness for the dumb masses, and leech using superstition for the doctors much the same as alleged borderline personality disorder, most of which are poorly described and unrelated clusters of varying types of disorder but are rather that exact same kind of moronic fool whose entire appraisal of reality itself is built solely on group consensus of their peers. As a result, those strongly pro-social but weak minded and weak willed bydlo are very easily trolled. All you even need to do is to give the appearance of group consensus of their peers, say by manipulating twotter, and they'll agree with any abjectly retarded opinion you throw at them.

Their fundamental problem is weakness.

>>64750
From what I can gather Australian allegedly Christian cults are some of the most cancerous things in the hemisphere and you guys are breeding them. This isn't the first time I hear some other story about people in Australia claiming to be Christian then immediately you find out it has little to do with actual Christianity and is some kind of new age movement or bizarre cult.
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No. 64795
>>64793
>Their fundamental problem is weakness.
I think it's less about physical weakness but more like "lack of willpower"? Not sure what causes it, seems like some of these people are just broken, fundamentally broken.
They build their whole personality around appleasing others or around building an image of success or to gather attention.
For a while i actually thought this behaviour is the norm and that there was something wrong with me because i don't usually care much, maybe for about 5-10 years, can't say for how long.

At least i can tell why shit like instagram, tiktok and twitter are so popular.
Using any of those daily is definetely a sign of a fucked brain.
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No. 64800
>>64785
Reminds me of that article I once read read either about or even from the guy who invented Lunchables.
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No. 64805
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Last day of work and I'm slacking off. No shame.
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No. 64806
>>64793
>You wrote that like you were about to make fun of them but it's pretty interesting and useful at the hard scientific muh numbers level

I'm a humanities guy myself so it was tongue-in-cheek. It is a book about the role of humanities in environmental studies, environmental thinking, and its solutions which implies that many questions are not questions for STEM alone. Societal and community transition towards sustainability for example cannot simply be solved by building technology, although it is part of it of course. They used examples why people in an African country/tribe for example reject solar stoves and it is not because they want to intentionally "waste" more energy out of fun, but because they cannot cook traditional meals with it anymore, or because it doesn't work as a heater at the same time etc.
Another would be conceptualizing the city as an environment, not a new thought, but the city is often an object of humanities and social scientific inquiry. There are certain concepts of the city, not the case in STEM afaik. They concentrated on the city in that chapter because most people live in cities and cities have the bigger potential to be environmentally friendly as city dwellers unsurprisingly use less gasoline and less energy (less single homes) as well as less water. (I did not look up the footnote, but cities public transport and bikeablity seem intuitive to me in comparison to the country, it's also part of the mobility debate we are having )

>>64800
I don't think I understand what this 1980s California phenomenon has to do with Lunchables. Wikipedia's history chapter says it was about time and the cracker was used because it was suitable for the refrigerator. Although looking them up, I remember seeing them in a German supermarket and pestering my parents about getting them never got them. It was just crackers with sausage I think, don't think it worked out in Germany anyway as a successful product and is not available anymore.
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No. 64808 Kontra
>>64793
You should give up using the word "bydlo"; it really makes you seem like a rambling maniac walking around times square and screaming at bystanders at this point.
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No. 64809
>>64795
The key thing to keep in mind is it affects all of us, and you are yourself not totally immune either. It's just a fundamental weakness to human nature, that of groupthink, and anyone is susceptible more or less to herd behaviours. It only becomes more obvious in observing those who are different than you, and who are embracing clearly psychotic nonsense, when fact is though you may not be in a cult you still likewise probably adopted lots of idiotic things like behaviour and belief. *chantards are one such example, as are the right wing and left wing in this country or whatever one may call those things both of which are idiotic at this point. Russian blyat bydlo is another one, and it really just becomes one of extremes. Though you may not personally be awaiting Xenu or for Kennedy to rise from the dead and crown a former POTUS king, it is likely you adhere to a variety of your own idiocies you adopted from others and simply never questioned. Dumb murican primary school cliques like the preppies and goths also come to mind.
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No. 64810
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>>64494
Schizos find it very hard to deal with reality regardless of pandemic which is a relatively minor issue for them. They have always wandered streets and bothered random people.

>>64808
Fugg you made me rewatch webmrelated for 20 times in a row. :DDD
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No. 64814
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Done with work, I am free. Now, to waste the rest of this hellish year in a drunken stupor.
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No. 64815
I found out that my depressive vs normal mood cycles can be easily tracked with my gym attendance.
Which turns out to be by-weekly.

On weeks when I'm in a good mood, I enthusiastically go to the gym and feel fresh as fuck.
On bad weeks, I just drag my feet towards the gym, do the bare minimum and fuck off. Sometimes I skip the gym entirely.

Feels bad wasting 30% of the gym fee, but it is what it is.
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No. 64816 Kontra
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I want to close gaps but only encounter fractures. It was broken in the beginning I suppose. The human brainlet had to invent entities.
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No. 64818
>>64806
>I don't think I understand what this 1980s California phenomenon has to do with Lunchables
It reminded me of how it was also humanities who came up with the concept with regard to human behavior. I don't think anybody argues the importance of humanities educated people in the advertisement/marketing sector.
This isn't the exact article I was talking about, but it gives a better overview than the wiki history section.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/11/lunchables-30-years-invented-history/576025/
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No. 64819
>>64818
>It reminded me of how it was also humanities who came up with the concept with regard to human behavior. I don't think anybody argues the importance of humanities educated people in the advertisement/marketing sector.

I'm not sure about the humanities history in that regard, as behavior as been a thing in early 20th century biology for example. Regarding advertisement and marketing, I suspect more of the economic "sciences" as social sciences behind that than humanities educated people. The notion of behavior in (micro) economics gained big traction in the 1960s and 1970s I think

https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/E/bo5954985.html

>Gary S. Becker has shown that an economic approach can provide a unified framework for understanding all human behavior.

So basically it is not about human behavior but more about the economization of human behavior and that is not a humanities standpoint but one of economics. Though ofc humanities educated people work in PR and advertisement when it comes to symbolism and narrative for instance I guess.
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No. 64827
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I have bought a brass magnifying glass as a present for my mom. She uses a small plastic one right now.
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>>64726
>In fact, I should make my contribution to EC in the form of a userstyle CSS script that automatically hides American posts.
I'm thinking of making a browser plugin which goes to https://api.funtranslations.com and translates American posts to Ebonics. It's also possible to add accent to German posts.
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No. 64834
When someone's clearly more intelligent than me, I tend to get very jealous. That's a pretty bad condition considering I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
As a boy, I filled this need of superiority with morals, I considered myself as the emissary of truth and righteousness and most people, excepted some autority figures (like Charles Darwin for exemple), was blinded by false idols.
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No. 64836
>>64834
I don't think you really met people who were smarter than you. How could you tell? There's no objective way to measure "smartness".
Lack of knowledge about certain subject is not "stupidity". It's ignorance.
There's nothing wrong with being ignorant. What's wrong is having no interest in learning new things.
>I know that i don't know anything.
Is the mindset a truly smart person should always have.

I think that you met people who by some chance knew more than you had and used it to boost their own ego and had this aura of superiority around them.
They manipulated you to feel jeleousy about them, it was a psychological manipulation.

I suggest you to do the following in the future: if you meet someone who knows something that you don't know about - ask him questions about the topic you don't know about.
Keep asking until he says "i don't know".

If he reacts negatively or agressively towards you as you ask him the questions - it means he merely maintains a fake image of a know-it-all and that's it. A truly smart person is always willing to share his knowledge with others.
A stupid egoist - never shares the knowledge.
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No. 64862
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Me and mom busted our asses the whole day, and my brother, his wife and my nephew didn't come in time. She fell asleep covered in her winter coat, and our cat beside her.
Meanwhile, our father is asleep drunk in my little brother's room, and it looks like he soiled himself, judging by the smell.

People call me a sad, pathetic, cynical cunt, but this is the reason why. NEVER expect anything good to happen. Having your hopes up will just make the inevitable disappointment sting more.
Just called my brother and had a few words with him. He said he's "heading out now". Yeah ok asshole.

This is why I don't want to celebrate anything. The juxtaposition of the pretense merry spirit against the ruthless reality is too much for me to handle.
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No. 64865
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Happy New Year from my father to yours! How's that for the holiday spirit?

Btw, when I called my brother, he sounded high on weed as usual. He smokes weed every other day. Mind you, the good stuff is quite pricey here, so probably like 30% of his income goes towards that. He also invites his degenerate friends who freeload off him.
My guess is that his wife was home alone with the child when we called and made the arrangements. So, my guess is that even though we talked to his wife and organized for 11:00 pm, he was off getting high with his so called friends.

At least he makes decent money compared to me. He might be useless, but I'm less than useless.

Happy new year !!!11
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No. 64866
>>64865
Your dad looks like he's in his late 30s or something.
>Happy new year !!!11
My recommendation: Eat the good stuff on the table, have a few drinks and listen to the Ernstradio. Can't turn that shitshow at your house into success anyway, so better not bother too much about it. After all it's not your fault that your family screws up.

Also: If your brother's a pothead can't you at least crack some joges about your old man or something? Since he's your brother he surely knows how things are.
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No. 64869
>>64866
That's the fucking problem.
He's healthy as a horse and outlived all his male relatives despite drinking more than them.
People always comment on my appearance and how much I look like my father, which pisses me off. How dare they compare me to him (despite the fact that I'm going down the same path as him, and have the same personality traits).

My brother is less of a stereotypical pothead, and more like he uses pot as a cope for his major depression. So he always looks constipated, sober or high, just like I do.
Probably because he smokes indica like a pleb, instead of Sativa.

I tried to grow my own sativa plant, but it died because I had to move back in and couldn't care for it. Such cases.

But I shall turn this night into a jolly festival, and if I can't do that, into a good enough pretense of a jolly festival. My mother deserves it.
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No. 64871
third attempts not to fuck up markup

I called my relatives and father wasn't even drunk despite New Year. Almost no political arguments between him and grandpa they just repeat same things each time, talked about literature and food instead.

Read tragicomic news : famous Russian nationalist was writing article "Why United States are dying", but couldn't finish it because jumped from window, naked and drugged, and didn't survive the fall. So in this year I wish everyone including myself to care less about abstract irrelevant things and care more about own life. Clean your room, bucko!

>>64862
Are those boiled potatos in bowl? Or some fruits?
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No. 64872
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>>64868
That's bauirsaq.
Fried dough with added horse/lamb fat broth, fermented milk for volume, etc. (every housewife has her own recipe), fried in animal oil.

Tasty but liver-destroying, just like all kazakh food.
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No. 64873
>>64872
Hol up. There is a savoury version? Shieet. That sounds way better than the sweet version I made a while back and those were pretty fuggen good.
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No. 64874
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Eating crab :DDD

btw, shot in the dark but, does anyone happen to have some old image that shows the stock market predictions taken from some newspaper. It had something like a twenty year cycle and I believe the wording was along the lines of "times of plenty"
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No. 64879
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Ok, brothers' family finally came.
Let the pretend merriment commence. I've been doing the job of the "youngest wife" in the family, as per tradition. As in, making tea, bringing food, etc. Fits a sonbasket like myself well. Just trying to make mom happy.
Btw, the pic is enough to doxx me, but fortunately, I don't have social media so it doesn't matter.

>>64873
The sweet version is sart degeneracy :-DDDD.
Our version is more fatty/meaty in flavor.

If kazakh cuisine is liver annihilation, uzbek cuisine is liver holocaust.
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No. 64880
>>64879
Also, I have to note, my brother's wife is exceptionally ugly. It was actually a point of controversy among my extended family lol

Two of my cousins in my father's side family are stunningly beautiful, and their mother, during the wedding, cried tears of sorrow over the fact that her angels are still unmarried, while my brother married this homunculus of a woman. Lol.

In my opinion, she is cool. She treats me well, she knows Chinese which is essential for my brother's business, she's self sufficient, has business sense, etc.
More than I can say about my male family members (from father's side). They're absolute sonbaskets despite being in their 40s.
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No. 64883
>>64879
I see you, Brick's Mum's manty. I also know your reputation for hittin' ungodly hard.
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No. 64886
>>64879
Weird, your mom looks like a central asian version of my mother-in-law.
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No. 64888
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>>64883
Yeah, lamb fat, ground meat, + thick fatty pumpkin, wrapped in dough, best eaten with sour cream.
Mmmm.

_
But. I have something to complain about still.
These fucking youths drinking even cheaper beer than I do. (there's more out of frame)
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a crotchety old man (at least in my own opinion).

The thing that annoys me is that in my high school youth, shit like this never happened, because all my classmates were super intellectuals and shit, so drinking $0,5 8% beer at new years was beneath them or something. Or, at least, I was never invited.
Now I'm nearing my 30s, drinking $0.5 8% beer on my own sitting on a bench, and people call me a degenerate. Whatever.
And the worst part of it is, when I was trying to push through the crowd to make my way into the store to get my coveted 7.2% beer, those fucking zoomers said "Sorry, mister". Or "Sorry, uncle", which is a word for an old man.
How dare they. I'm not even that old. I'm hip. I'm with it. I played minecraft before they were even born.
Fuckers.
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No. 64891
>>64865
Holy cow, he really doesn't look like an aging alcoholic.

>>64879
Those plastic bottles... I swear this is the first thing that I noticed in the picture. I can only guess why this one detail seems so odd to me: Where I grew up and where I'm living now (meaning the social landscape rather than the country) people don't put plastic bottles on tables because "plastic = cheap shit you should feel ashamed about buying". For the longest time I assumed this was the same everywhere, until I travelled to asia for the first time...
I later learned that you don't have to go far, italy or spain will do as well, or simply the fucking Ruhrgebiet

btw, what are you celebrating anyway? And what's with the christmas tree, isn't your family muslim?
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No. 64893 Kontra
>>64891
Crap, I just saw someone else asked the same thing in a different thread, but in a derogatory way.

Now I feel shame for the association with that person :-DD

Best not answer, let's pretend I didn't ask.
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No. 64894
>>64888
You sound exactly like an uncle, though.
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No. 64895
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>>64891
If you ever tasted the sacred liquid contained within those bottles, you'd change your tune.
The only way I could describe them as, is if you could taste the liquid contained within Warcraft 3 moonwells.

>>64893
Basically, it's a post-sovok tradition that's supposed to be an emancipated version of Christmas. On New Year's we're supposed to decorate "new years fir tree", and wait for "Father Frost" to bring us presents
The canonical version of the new years tree is supposed to have a RED STAR prominently on top. Such cases.

Despite being filthy orientals, we don't mind neither christian, slavic pagan, or artificial sovok holidays, because kazakh tradition revolves around having excuses to pig out, so any holiday will do, even easter.

There's an ukrainian saying, in fact: "What kind of kazakh is it, who won't eat salo on ramadan?".
(note: salo is russian and ukrainian word for pork fat served with spices as a snack before consumption of vodka, or horilka, as ukrainians would put it)
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No. 64897 Kontra
My father is building some bike-model and my mother is watching the most cringe ever "woman variety show" on a secondary TV channel.
My sister is normal, unlike me, so she's out with friends, and I'm stuck studying for my fucking exams, like in some bad Chines short story from imperial times. But there's no fox fairy in sight.

Just had a shot of vodka. Reading Geertz.
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No. 64898
But actually, russian new year celebration started with pyotr the I looking at westoids celebrating christmas, and wanting something similar, but... less catholic.

He made sure to execute anyone who objected. And then the soviets took hold of it, the rest is history.
So here we are, stuck with a holiday that shares all the elements of christmas but isnt actually Christmas.

Also, we might be muslims, but were post sovok muslims god damn it so pigging on a pagan holiday is a ok
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No. 64899
>>64893
>Now I feel shame for the association with that person :-DD
Oh ffs can you be any more of a wet blanket? Brick understands the banter, unlike you. But then again, I never thought there were actually any uptight cunts having problems with plastic bottles.
Also I feel like shit because I got my booster yesterday, so let me shitpost in peace.
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No. 64900
I'm sick, sore throat and coughings, the covid test was negative. I would have been at a party now with people talking and drug consumption, I wasn't too eager about this, I think I would have still enjoyed seeing some people, but now I kinda enjoy being alone as well.
I just made scrambled eggs and it reminds me of how my grandma (rip) did them properly, with lots of butter and silky consistency. It does not feel like NYE, I have zero excitement about counting +1

>>64897
>Geertz

I have never ever.
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No. 64902
Man the guy really inadvertently makes it extra entertaining by having that weird I think Australian way of talking on top of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZDwItXr0T8
I wonder what other accent and dialects make specific imams, priests, rabbis or whathaveyou a more interesting experience. Like imagine a rebbe talking in this really thick Scottish regional accent about Adonai.
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No. 64903
>>64899
You misread my post, I believe. I wasn't trying to say that I feel shame and thus think you are a bad person. I only wrote that I felt shame, which is a truthful observation about myself. I was mostly amused about myself; which is something that happens more the more I try to observe myself. Funny how that works.

Also, I have no clue what a wet blanket is whatsoever, but I have a strong feeling that this post will earn me even more of your praise. Looking forward to it (:
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No. 64905
>>64900
I don't drink thankfully by thanks of God, and now keep forgetting things like people are all drunk today at this point.

>>64895
Your brother looks like he has the Downes, no offense. Somehow that pic makes me realize what a cruel barbaric people your people must've been a millenia agoor maybe their frown is in perpetual russification :--DDD Great irony, I put a red star on my mini Christmas tree this year just because I thought it'd be funny also everything was sold out, maybe I'll upload pic.

You know everyone says it is pagan but really I think at least on USA if not whole Wect that everything gift giving or Christmassy like trees, decorations, colorful lights, all it is just like wrapping paper and the day is an empty box. What matters is what you as family have put into that box of your family traditions. I can see how a Jew or Muslim can also celebrate our Christmas while making it about Jewish or Islamic spiritual lessons, just as much as those of us who are also white American can be atheists and celebrate the holiday. I mean just put a date tree and teach about the prophet Jesus ffs probably majority of the people here don't even bother with the alleged Christmas aspect at this point, except maybe Catholics. In a certain sense just going for Chinese food makes it, in my mind, that those of us from Jewish background also celebrate Christmas as well in their own sense, while the people actually going to Mass is really small compared to the whole. I also think it's pretty funny and pretty fitting if eventually another religion steals Christmas from us just like we stole the actual date and a few customs from the pagans by basically saying "so okay you can keep your giant Scandinavian burning goat and put a tree in your house for some reason, just make it about the baby Jesus okay?" I think that in those regard early Christians in the royal houses were like the first burgoids, assimilating all it came across. What's that? Samm Hain you say? Sounds like a saint's day to me. Oh you have a fertility cult? Okay let's hide colorful hard boiled eggs everywhere and talk about Jesus.

I really just don't even know sometimes with the Russians though. Like, it looks like that off branded cheap thing on Alibaba giving me the Gussi purse and Abibas tracksuit, where it works but sometimes you wonder why they are copying it. I do like Grandfather Frost and his mysterious trophy wife figure or daughter or maybe employeeI am actually unclear on what she is supposed to be and am not saying it's cheap and plasticky, just that I really don't get why Russians bothered having a separate holiday if they weren't going to have something original and why they bothered copying us without celebrating our end of year holidays or when it occurred. Was Santa too bougie or something? Or someone told them Santa is a anagram for Satan? I'm having a Dunning moment where I'm realizing I'm not actually aware of the full history of our Christmas from start to finish and thought it was based on some Greek priest/saint figure who gave toys to needy children and that somehow got incorporated into the Christian holiday and pagan seasonal things to then get Disneyified.
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>>64900
>I have never ever.
hahaha please send help