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No. 69268 Systemkontra
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No. 69270
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I wonder if it's possible to de-imperialize russia without destroying its national identity and historical narrative.
The "butthurt and wants to be an empire" type of civilizations are always the hardest to deal with. Because "I'm not an empire yet, but I deserve to be!" is basically the core of their identity, and it's hard to eliminate that aspect without destroying the whole nation itself.
Just look at Germany. They also had butthurt and pretenses of being an empire, but unfortunately, the German de-imperialization effort left Germany as a shadow of its former self, now defined by Euro Truck Simulator, techno music night clubs, and scat pornography.

But that is at least something that could be preserved.
Russians, on the other hand, have defined themselves as a borderland empire trying but failing to become western, since the founding of Muscovy in 13th century or whatever.

I'm afraid that Russianness is terminal, and the only solution at this point is Chemotherapy (ethnic cleansing).
Discuss.
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No. 69272
>>69270
Feel free to khanate away, bro
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No. 69274
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> McDonald's announced the temporary closure of all restaurants in Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGAhBUlJoA

I'm not losing hope and asking: what are the most popular Chinese food chains? insert joke about bat soup
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No. 69275
>>69270
>de-imperialize russia
Why would you want this?
>"butthurt and wants to be an empire"
There are many countries like this, take a look at Poland for example, or the UK.
>the only solution at this point is Chemotherapy (ethnic cleansing).
I think that you are the actual problem if you unironically suggest something like this.

All in all i find it difficult to understand what logic drives you to write posts like this because this is highly irrational no matter how you look at it.

Now i am aware about the duality of man and that there are people who trust their feelings more than they trust their brain and vise versa. But there is no reason for these two types of people to be at war with eachother constantly without accepting that "the other kind" of human exists.
Do you agree with me?
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No. 69278
So apparently Poland is transferring Mig-29s to Ramstein Airbase in exchange for american planes of similar capabilities so the Americans can give those Migs to the Ukrainians.
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No. 69279 Kontra
>>69274
The last blow, Putin don't want to mess with Russians whose inner burger is denied existence :DDD
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No. 69281
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Imperialism and nationalism are cringe. While we are told to hate the Russian people, the rich run off with all the fucking money. And vice versa with Russians being told to hate the west.

Basically, advocate defeatism for everybody. That's a hell of a lot more of a solution than continuing the murder of your international class brothers.
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No. 69282
>>69274
I'm honestly kinda surprised just how successfully the western public opinion managed to pressure big companies to stop operating in Russia for the time being. Let's hope they will remember it when the west starts its next warhahaha

Wondering if there actual Chinese food franchises in China by now? Or is it still 100 % classic street food?
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No. 69283
>>69281
Good suggestion. Now tell me your address so I can bully you, kick you out of your apartment and live in it (while you can keep paying).
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No. 69287
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>social media has long been a means of information warfare
Hats off to whoever wrote the script. Propaganda for the generation with a 10-second attention span.

>>69281
>While we are told to hate the Russian people
Who's telling you this

Apologies for technical difficulties. I'm so sorry you had to see this.
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No. 69290 Kontra
>>69287
Don't try to reason with a Marxoid. They only listen to propaganda.
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No. 69291
>>69283
Why the fuck should the soldiers murder each other for the benefit of the rich draping themselves in flags? The point is not to let one side win, it's to cripple the ability for war to be waged.

I mean, I'm sure landlords exist in Ukraine, and under that system, you better hope you haven't fallen on hard times or else your national bourgeoisie is gonna bully you out of your home. Dog bless the nation though.
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No. 69292 Kontra
>>69290
>killing people for colours on a flag is a GOOD thing
Burgoid take
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No. 69293
>>69291
The point is that there will never be "defeatism for everybody". The moment 99 people do that, the last person can just say "thank you" and grab everything.
So go ahead, don't fight. Makes it easier for me to do as I please.
Also, internationalism is a spook supported by the rich, infa 100%
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No. 69296 Kontra
Personally what i see happening is
>acute socio-economic crisis in the US and EU
>normally it causes revolution but neoliberals have a plan
>great reset doctrine to fix the "unipolar" world order
>basically the goal is to transfer money from china/russia/europe/india/others to the US/EU to fix the crisis so that neoliberal world order continues to function
>putin, xi, modi refuse and want multipolar world order (rational choice)
>meaning the great reset is not happening
>biden is basically forced to dunk europe to fix the crisis in the United States and extend it's lifetime
>europe can't do anything because they're occupied by NATO
>all of this is blamed on Russia and China (somewhat reasonably)
>after shit blows over - new Marshall plan to rebuild the Europe
>Cold War 2
>On the West the history books will record this as "4th industrial revolution" or some bullshit like that
>because western elites know they won't be able to pull oil prices trick again like in the 20th century

Anyhow i feel sorry for the europeans being on the recieving end of all this. But i think you were given enough chances to change your situation, especially in Germany. But your politicians and elites chose to do nothing and hoped that Putin and Xi would agree to let their countries be robbed which did not happen.
Also good thing that Olaf Scholtz didn't ban gas and oil from Putin, he might have saved Germany from a complete annihilation.

I think that as usual my post will be dismissed as a wild conspiracy theory or kremlin propaganda by lesser minds who tend to be more focused on the current events rather than bigger picture. And i don't have negative feelings towards such people.
God bless their souls.
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No. 69297 Kontra
>>69296
Also i believe that by attacking Ukraine - Putin gave Germany an excuse to remilitarize itself and thus protect itself from other countries in the region with stronger militaries, for example Poland - at the cost of Russia's reputation.
Germans, we're taking all the blame, all the hate from all the hippies and liberals in the world in order to give you your freedom and your military back. If there will be a big war in Europe - please make it count and don't fuck it up, and that's the only thing i believe i can ask for.
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No. 69298 Kontra
>>69296
Europe is all fucked anyway. If we had successfully swayed Ukraine into our sphere, then we'd have had access to the new Eastern Ukrainian gas fields plus the wheat.
It'd have been the culmination of a thousand years of German foreign policy.

But we fucked it up, and now we've fallen on our asses. We will be forced to buy horribly expensive American gas and pay exorbitant prices for wheat, while simultaneously kissing the possibility of a strong, European block goodbye, because now we will be the bitches of the Atlanticist bloodsuckers in Washington for at least another decade.

Currently it's in Europe's best interest to just let the Russians win as fast as they can and then drop the suicidal sanctions quietly.
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No. 69299
>>69296
>>basically the goal is to transfer money from china/russia/europe/india/others to the US/EU to fix the crisis so that neoliberal world order continues to function
>>putin, xi, modi refuse and want multipolar world order (rational choice)
Tell me more and how this is related to the Ukraine.
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No. 69303
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Interesting site keeping track of military equipment losses in the war. Don't know if this was already posted at some point but it's still being updated despite being an old "article":

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Also Looks a bit like the current state of the world is causing a psychosis outbreak online. If you're not feeling well try not to follow any social medias or news.
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No. 69305 Kontra
>>69299
>Tell me more and how this is related to the Ukraine. Empires typically last for about 200-250 years, if you look at the history of every empire, for example Russian Empire - it lasted 1721 to 1917 - 196 years.
Roman Empire without any issues existed from 27 till 235 when crisis of the third century hit and they had a civil war. After that it lasted 200 more years when it finally dissolved in 476.
United States is currently 244 years old which means the country has reached the end of the cycle.

The only way United States can exist in it's current form without MASSIVE reforms, revolution or a civil war is if the entire world pays for it's existence, basically puts the whole country on life support. Which is what happened after the Cold War essentially and for 30 years people were fine with it, often because they had no other choice.
Great Reset plan is basically an attempt to extend it's lifetime at the cost of quality of life of people in the other parts of the world. Essentially people like me have to pay so that americans can keep stuffing their faces with burgers and drive oversized pickup trucks and SUV's, their rich can live in luxury, while the poor in the US can get free foodstamps. European Union is somewhat like an extention of the US but it's considered expendable.

Ukraine is a very small piece of the puzzle but i think it's a rather important one and has multiple functions.
It's like Pakistan 2.0 with chemical/biological/nuclear weapons but designed and tailored specifically for Russia.
Also it's a part of a bigger project called Intermarium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
Which believe or not is still a thing, because it gives the Americans a chance to isolate western european countries from Russia and basically build a wall of sorts.
The goal of the UK, the US and France was always to deny the possibility of Russia cooperating with Germany.
Strong Germany in Europe means that the other powers lose.
The invasion of the Ukraine killed off this project in it's infancy.
And as you can see now - americans are sending tanks to Poland. Because strong Poland is the last thing that restrains Germany at the moment. Using nuclear bomb in Europe is out of the question. Whoever uses it in war - will turn into a partiah. Even if it's a tactical nuke.

Sorry if i sound like a armchair geostrategist, i'm probably saying bullshit but that's how i see this.
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No. 69306
>>69303
>try not to follow any social medias
That's actually pretty good advice regardless of any happenings
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No. 69312
There's a video on C-Span where Victoria Nuland pretty much confirms the Russian claim that biolabs in Ukraine do research on biological weapons and which now was spread via Russia Today. Kinda "funny" how this multilateral propaganda game of all sides plays out.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?518355-1/secretary-state-political-affairs-testifies-ukraine Minute 40:29
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No. 69314
>>69305
Since you present the empire life cycle theory, what logical reason would there be so that the US couldn't be an exception to this proclaimed rule or why should the life span not be of different length under the different conditions of modern age? I see the US in decline currently and thus need of reforms to defend it's super power No. 1 status against China, but even the decline process could possibly take another 200 years.

>Essentially people like me have to pay so that americans can keep stuffing their faces with burgers and drive oversized pickup trucks and SUV's, their rich can live in luxury, while the poor in the US can get free foodstamps
You are only paying for this if you work for a US company, if you work for a Russian company you are paying so that the Russian rich can live in luxury.
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No. 69316
>>69270
For less radical solution you may look at Ataturk who got rid of Osman culture and enacted new latin alphabet in Turkey. Maybe it was not radical enough, they have Erdogan now.

>>69287
The irony is that two days ago Tiktok forbidden Russians to upload any videos because of new military censorship laws.
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No. 69317
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>>69298
>Currently it's in Europe's best interest to just let the Russians win as fast as they can and then drop the suicidal sanctions quietly.
Or too put so tough sanctions on Russia that it collapses before it manages to reorient it's whole economy to China. If you say that these sanctions are "suicidal", imagine how hard they hurt the economy mostly based on oil rent.
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No. 69318 Kontra
>>69314
>the Russian rich can live in luxury.
They make money in Russia transfer it to the West and spend it there instead of investing it over here domestically and the government up until recently could not do anything about these people i think, because it would've been seen as resovietization and we would've been instantly sanctioned into oblivion.
I don't believe the government could even create barriers for those people without the US or EU or UK doing sanctions of the same sort we have recieved today. We couldn't go full autarky or limit the freedom of oligarchs because that would've been against the "spirit of the free market".
Remember Khodorkovsky and how he was jailed? And how relations with the west worsened after that? Taming oligarchs without getting a huge reaction from the west is hard.
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No. 69320
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>>69290
As a Marxoid myself, I hate Putin and do not shill for him.

>>69281
Exactly this.
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No. 69321 Kontra
>>69320
>>69292
Idiots and degenerates.
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No. 69322
Slightly meta:
Ernstchan dreams weirdly Pro-Ukrainian. Why is that the case? Are people here unable to see through NATO and their propaganda? This would not have happened if NATO had not shat on Russias safety concerns. Do you really believe Selensky was not casted by CIA? How are you so naive? Even in 1948, CIA manipulated Italian elections. They made orange revolution and Euro-Maidan, to encircle Russia. NATO promised to not expand eastwards, then expanded eastwards for the next three decades!

Why don't you see who is the real aggressor here? Are really all of you dumb antifa-kids who fall for all propaganda?
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No. 69323 Kontra
>>69270
>Just look at Germany. They also had butthurt and pretenses of being an empire, but unfortunately, the German de-imperialization effort left Germany as a shadow of its former self, now defined by Euro Truck Simulator, techno music night clubs, and scat pornography.
Fucking this. GmbH is extremely pathetic, weak and degenerate.
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No. 69324
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>>69322
Good Morning Ivan, you're up early
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No. 69325
>>69317
>quietly.
>Or too put so tough sanctions on Russia that it collapses before it manages to reorient it's whole economy to China. If you say that these sanctions are "suicidal", imagine how hard they hurt the economy mostly based on oil rent.
Less bad than Russia. Europe will be dead in weeks. Russians can live happily on potatoes and take marshrutka to work, as long as they know that Russia is strong.

But Europeans are weak and decadent. Take their cars and their heating and they will protest, as seen in yellow jackets. European governments are too weak to crack down on the socially destructive element and will not end protests.

Other than that, Russia has the advantage. Russia still has access to oil, coal, gas, minerals, fertilizer, etc. Russia can keep it's economy running, because it still has energy and resources. It can keep its citizens warm, it can keep transport running, it can keep Russians fed. Europe can not. Inflation is now insane in Germany and the entire economy will collapse soon. Gas is 2.5€/liter. Green party promised they woul do this two decades ago, and as soon as they come into power they do it. Lulz on every. Who was stupid enough to vote for the stone-age communists.
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No. 69326
>>69324
Hello, Koti. Flashed by your daily dose of Haloperidol?
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No. 69328
>>69326
Now that this is out of the way, wanna have a serious discussion (tm)?

>Are people here unable to see through NATO and their propaganda? This would not have happened if NATO had not shat on Russias safety concerns.
Countries are free to choose which other countries they want to be allied to. It's part of the whole democracy thing we got going. Why does Russia even have anything against a country choosing to enter a defensive alliance, if it does not plan to attack it?

"Safety concerns" are a strange way to say "invasion plans". That Russia did now attack Ukraine before its NATO membership was even on the table, only proves why the other neighbours were right to seek protection. Blaming the victim is bad and you should feel bad.

>Do you really believe Selensky was not casted by CIA?
Yes. Please provide evidence to your claim.

>Why don't you see who is the real aggressor here?
Uhm, yeah... this question goes right back to you, pal.
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No. 69330
>>69318
>We couldn't go full autarky or limit the freedom of oligarchs because that would've been against the "spirit of the free market".
We couldn't do it because the government of Russia represents THEIR interests mostly. Starting from privatisation of revenues and nationalization of expenses we've been doing starting from, what, 1992?.. The myth of Putin fighting the oligarchs is just that: myth. He's only disposed of those who descided to play their private games and thus were threatening everybody's else business.
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No. 69331 Kontra
>>69328
>Countries are free to choose which other countries they are allied to
Is this why USA staged bay of pigs invasion in Kuba?
Is this why there was a Vietnam war?
Is this why there was invasion of Grenada?
Is this why Pinochet was put into power in Chile?

>Please provide evidence to your claim
It is evident. After the US-backed coup of 2014. McCain and other US politicians openly backed the coup that removed the elected president of Ukraine in 2014. How democratic is that?
Democracy is a propaganda lie, a fairy tale for westerners who are dumb enough to believe what they see in social Media.
You also believe the pictures you see if injured civilians are not crisis actors paid by CIA, right? You are so naive.

USA forced Russia into this war.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMCMw7KcFs

>Why does Russia even have anything against a country choosing to enter a defensive alliance, if it does not plan to attack it?
Why is defensive alliance always expanding towards Russian borders, from all sides? Why did defensive alliance lie about genocide in Serbia and then bombed Serbia? Why did defensive alliance invade Iraq and Afghanistan?

Defensive alliance started escalation when bush invated Ukraine into NATO in 2008. The defensive alliance wants to stage rockets in Ukraine so they would be closer to Moscow.

>Blaming the victim is bad and you should feel bad.
Then not blame Russia blame USa.
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No. 69332
>>69318
>They make money in Russia transfer it to the West and spend it there instead of investing it over here domestically and the government up until recently could not do anything about these people
This is why sanctions will benefit Russia. All money earned by exports will stay in Russia and will grow the Russian economy.

>>69330
>>69314
>d of reforms to defend it's super power No. 1 status against China, but even the decline process could possibly take another 200 years.
After Ukraine falls, USb will be a laughing stock, NATO will disband and Russia can bet back it's other rightful clay.
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No. 69333
>>69331
>You also believe the pictures you see if injured civilians are not crisis actors paid by CIA, right? You are so naive.
>
>USA forced Russia into this war.
Come on, that's just ridiculous. There's no need in CIA actors when cities are shelled on a daily basis. It's your usual ground war, and whoever had not run away in time is damned.

And if Russia had not started the war, the US would have done... what? Make Ukraine anally invade Russia through Donbass? I'd like to see that.
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No. 69334
>>69296
This 100%.
>I think that as usual my post will be dismissed as a wild conspiracy theory or kremlin propaganda by lesser minds who tend to be more focused on the current events rather than bigger picture.
They are so pathetic and dumb. Their stupidity is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣

>>69298
>We will be forced to buy horribly expensive American gas and pay exorbitant prices for wheat, while simultaneously kissing the possibility of a strong, European block goodbye, because now we will be the bitches of the Atlanticist bloodsuckers in Washington for at least another decade.
This was the American plan to keep America rich and prevent civil war. Suck Europe dry.

>>69299
He explained well and clear that declining West needs to stabilize by getting access to Ukraine. Failing to do so, the western collapse is innevatable. History is on Russian side.
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No. 69335
>>69333
Use the bioweapons laboratories they built in Ukraine against Russia? Or yes, invadev Russia through plains. With Ukraine Russia has a natural border at the Carpathians. Flatlands is indefensible position for Russia. This is why occupation of Eastern Germany was the optimal defensive position: minimum North-South extent of European plain

NATO promised russia to not expand Eastwards. Even German media which are prone to tell blatant lies admit as much. Then, NATO went ahead and expanded eastwards when Russia was weak. They are perfidious liars and can not be trusted.
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No. 69336
>>69334
>>He explained well and clear that declining West needs to stabilize by getting access to Ukraine. Failing to do so, the western collapse is innevatable.
So now Ukraine turned out the centre of the world somehow. Gosh, what hagwash I have to read here.

Ukraine is, indeed, a valuable asset. But it's much more valuable to Russia (as it directly borders it, plus all other factors) than to the EU, let alone the US, who have pretty much all the world as their sphere of influence. They can always simply go to Africa, there are a lot of obscure countries almost untouched by the international capital.
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No. 69337
>>69335
>>Use the bioweapons laboratories they built in Ukraine against Russia?
How do you imagine that, I wonder?.. (As a matter of fact, the US has more than 350 biolabs all over the world.)
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No. 69338
>>69336
>They can always simply go to Africa, there are a lot of obscure countries almost untouched by the international capital.
This is not true. African countries are fed-up with European and American post-colonial exploration. There's are staying closer alliance with Russia and china who do not create instabilities by meddling in African internal affairs to spread 'democracy'.
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No. 69339
>>69337
>How do you imagine that, I wonder?..
They will release what they built there when the wind blows in the right direction, then blame 'natural causes'

>(As a matter of fact, the US has more than 350 biolabs all over the world.)
>350
>all over the world
This is proof of the aggressive nature of USA.

Even in 2015, there were unexplained cases of illness in humans and animals in Georgia and Ukraine. It was due to a biological agent released from Tblisi "Lugar"-laboratory.
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No. 69340
>>69339
>>They will release what they built there when the wind blows in the right direction, then blame 'natural causes'
I may surprise you, but diseases mostly don't spread by "the wind". That breeze from Wuhan has pretty much blown through all of the world. Luckily that was just a comparatively mild respiratory virus. Frankly, bioweapons aren't something to casually mess with. They're either ineffective (when they don't allow human-to-human transmission) or too damn uncontrollable, at least at our current level of biochemical knowledge.
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No. 69341 Kontra
>>69330
Let me put it this way.
Our oligarchs want to expand to european and american markets but the european/american counterparts don't like this because it means they lose money and they don't want this to happen.
It's all about market shares.
This "war" decides whether we can sell anything but Oil to europe and amerca.
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No. 69343
>>69341
>This "war" decides whether we can sell anything but Oil to europe and amerca.
How come? Russian oligarch don't deal in microchips or turbines, everyone knows that. If they seek to expand their markets, it's their markets. Oil, gas, aluminium, polymers, whatever we've been exporting to Europe so far. By the way, they already own quite a lot of enterprises beyond Russian borders, from which we're getting nearly nothing (since, as it was correctly stated, they don't even spend their money in Russia).
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No. 69344
>>69343
Why should Russia be allowed to only sell resources? Why not microchips or turbines? Who wants Russia to stay poor? If Europe wants back Russian gas after war in Ukraine, they will have to make concessions and buy microchips from Russia instead of USA.
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No. 69345
>>69343
>By the way, they already own quite a lot of enterprises beyond Russian borders, from which we're getting nearly nothing (since, as it was correctly stated, they don't even spend their money in Russia).
Foolish western sanctions changed this. Now, oligarchs will spent all of their money in Russia. Russian economy will only grow stronger!
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No. 69346
>>69344
>>Why should Russia be allowed to only sell resources? Why not microchips or turbines?
Because for the Russian oligarchs it would have been an entirely new business they know shit about, which would also automatically put them into a serious confrontation with the established producers from other countries? And as far as investments go, they can find more lucrative and less risky options.
Really, if the Russian government were following the general national interests we would have been selling high tech goods to half of the world for years already (considering the immense potential we have). But it doesn't.
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No. 69348 Kontra
>>69343
> How come?
Fucking hell man. What is so difficult to understand? The reason why we barely produce anything is because all markets in all countries are already occupied by american shit produced with slave labor in Asia. We can’t produce crap locally and be competitive with them because it would be simply not profitable. The cheap slave labour will always outperform do you understand?
So the only way to be competitive is to crash and burn their system via armed conflict destroying the supply chains meaning we can fill the vacuum with our own brands. Destroy Intel, force them off the market to replace it with Baikal as an example.

This whole large event which will probably be called WW3 in the history books will also decide whether Yuan, Rouble and Rupee will become world‘s reserve currencies. Dollar is gone man. Americans won’t pay their debts meaning ditching USD is the only way to survive the economic crash. Of course peaceful transition won’t happen.
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No. 69349
>>69348
>>69348
>The cheap slave labour will always outperform do you understand?
There's no cheap slave labour in China or Taiwan anymore, that's for certain (just look at the wages). Still, it's where nearly all the microchips are produced. I don't think you get the general picture of the world economy quite right.
>>So the only way to be competitive is to crash and burn their system via armed conflict destroying the supply chains
Come on, Russia has no power to do that, it's not significant enough economically (or, to that matter, militarily). And even if it did, creating a Russian counterpart would be a much more difficult business. What will be the markets? The sanctions cut us out from the world market, and the internal market in the situation of plummeting consumer demand won't be enough to repay the constant R&D required to stay competitive.
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No. 69350 Kontra
>>69349
>R&D required to stay competitive
R&D is not required if you force your products onto someone else's market.
You invade a country kick out the competitors, replace it with your shit. That's how it works.
I don't understand why you still live in the dream land thinking that "peaceful" competition exists in capitalism. It does not exist. If you want to make money you need to eliminate competitors, sometimes physically.
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No. 69351
>>69350
>>R&D is not required if you force your products onto someone else's market.
You need to germetize the market forever for that, don't you?
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No. 69352
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>>69351
(Sorry for my atrocious Runglish, I got carried away.)
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No. 69353 Kontra
>>69351
Yeah, from now on if you want to buy american made stuff like iphones you need to visit a country where american stuff is still sold. At least for now.
Video games and movies and shit like that probably won't be affected because "culture" is an international thing. I'm mostly talking about things, such as furniture, cars, tech etc.
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No. 69354
>>69339
Yeah nah, I take back the offer for serious discussions. Arguing with people who have lost touch with reality is a waste of time.

I don't wish for anything bad to happen to the people of Russia, so in a certain way, I hope you're right. Delusions of grandeur usually don't have happy endings, though.
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No. 69356
>>69353
You forget that no one forbids reselling "American made stuff". It's not sealing the market hermetically at all.
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No. 69357
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Imagine taking actual sides (NATO/EU or Russia) after acknowledging that the violent war in Ukraine will kill many people whose interests are absolutely neglected (a peaceful life without war burdens and threat of existence). Both NATO/EU and Russia in their existing form have to go to hui.

Also, this thread is a mistake, I can tell by the posts made.
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No. 69358
>>69357
Ok, and what do you suggest we do?
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No. 69359 Kontra
>>69358
Not getting tricked into thinking you have to wave the flag of one party, there are other options. Like: end the war, both governments go to hui for staging interests that are not the interests of the people fleeing and fighting and dying.
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No. 69360 Kontra
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>>69356
Well if the niche for certain goods will be occupied by cheaper and higher quality locally produced goods - imported stuff has no chance. It will simply not be competitive due to prices, especially now looking at the exchange rate of USD/EUR.
So when people say things like
>OH SHIT THE ROUBLE COLLAPSING.
They don't really understand that it essentially means that world markets will be FLOODED with russian made cheap stuff. And with cheap stuff comes you know what? Toilet paper called rouble as a reserve currency. Now because Russia has nuclear weapons it is also seen as a safe haven by capitalists/investors.
Of course proximity to the europe is a problem, sure because this continent is known for it's wars but still, as of right now investing in Russia is a better option than investing in for example Poland. Actually the wars in Europe were one of the major reasons why the US succeeded, it was seen as a save haven for the rich people.
I am not an economics expert and of course there are people who could probably explain it better but i try to use common sense when i talk about this.
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No. 69361
>>69275
>I think that you are the actual problem if you unironically suggest something like this.
>unironically
>brickpost

I'll assume you are not a regular reader of this /int/ and want to give you this small advice: Evaluating how unironic a brickpost is requires more experience and effort than with most other posts.

>>69274
Hold up, so to get rid of filthy fast food chains all we have to do is attack a non-EU, non-Nato state in Europe?
What are the candidates here, let's see...

Moldova looks fair game, hmm.
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No. 69362 Kontra
>>69359
You are saying the right things man.
I absolutery agree with you that the lives of people are far more important than this imperialist bullshit we are witnessing right now.
Unfortunately last time when we all tried it with Communism, the Kapital "won" the Cold War.
And even today, the Americans and the English do not wish to stop the wars and keep treating life as a zero sum game.
There is nothing we can do about, as much as i would want to do something about it.
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No. 69365
>>69360
>>Well if the niche for certain goods will be occupied by cheaper and higher quality locally produced goods - imported stuff has no chance.
No one has ever argued with that. It's difficult to see how it's going to largely benefit Russia. Some particular industries may thrive (fabric, for instance), but overall we're screwed, frankly. We don't produce machinery, we cannot buy machinery cheap now, we don't have a lot of funds to invest into industry and consumer demand is going to hit the bottom.
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No. 69367
>>69359
>end the war, both governments go to hui for staging interests that are not the interests of the people fleeing and fighting and dying.
Man had I known it was THAT easy.... To end the war just end the war and remove the people responsible! What an utterly genius, galaxy cluster brain idea. I bow, kneel, crouch in the dust before you.
But since you are so smart you probably also have a good idea what to do right now, at this moment, while this war is still going on.
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No. 69368
>>69322
pro-ukraine is not automatically pro-nato
anti-russia is not automatically pro-nato
anti-nato is not automatically pro-russia

The concept of "pro-$country" is problematic anyway. I'm not a fan of the Ukrainian government based on my limited knowledge, but that doesn't mean I think the Ukraine should be invaded.
In the same way, I'm not a fan of either the NATO or the invasion of Ukraine. I can see that the actions of the NATO are connected to (but NOT the only reason for) the invasion; but that does not excuse Putins politics.

Putin is an ass, the NATO is an ass, but they are different asses. If one of them shits on you, and your conclusion is to side with the other, then that makes you an idiot.
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No. 69369 Kontra
>>69365
>We don't produce machinery, we cannot buy machinery cheap now, we don't have a lot of funds to invest into industry and consumer demand is going to hit the bottom.
Why don't you invest into it right now and open business?
See the problem is that you complain about lack of businesses but at the same time you don't do anything about it yourself. Of course you could parry this with
>i have no capital to invest
in which case i have a question to you - "Why?".
Go find a job, make money, invest it into something, make more money and so on. Open labs for R&D, ask government to provide you with stolen intel from our competitors - China, Europe and the US.
It's all in the hands of an individual - you. Waiting until someone does it for you is stupid man, don't do it.
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No. 69370
>>69368
This.

People seem to have forgotten that things don't always have to be black and white and especially in the last years I noticed the notion that if you're against A you MUST be for B. And it's the main sentiment in all discourse.
>You don't like Clinton? Why do you like Trump?
>You don't like the Greens? Why are you such a nazi?
>You don't like the AFD? REEEEEE linksgrünversifftes Dreckspack!
>You are against russian imperialism? Keep sucking american cock!
..and so on. It seems only extremes are permissible anymore and actually trying to form a differentiated opinion is frowned upon because you can't properly virtue signal with that.
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No. 69371 Kontra
>>69370
I support german imperialism unironically. I think you guys need to step it up. You got our support with oil and gas ("support"), you have an excuse to build up military, what's your excuse? Nazi past? But you have socialist in charge.
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No. 69372 Kontra
>>69367
>have a good idea what to do right now, at this moment, while this war is still going on.

Funny how you think I didn't already propose. When somebody tries to get of the usually framing, it's already an impossibility, with find set like this, where will be war for sure, not enlightening at all.
What would be a good idea right now? Well to end the war and kill off the imperialism of both parties. I don't side with EU/NATO nor with Putin, they both treat Ukraine as interest cattle which people must suffer for right now, simple.
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No. 69374
>>69372
Okay I worded my question wrong:
Do you have a realistic, non-naive-idealistic-wishful-thinking idea what to do right now?
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No. 69376
>>69369
>>Go find a job, make money
Sounds sarcastic at the moment. I suppose I'll be lucky not to die of hunger in a year or two.
Proletarians don't earn enough money to invest. Ever. They aren't paid for that purpose, you know.

And we're talking about investments of tens of millions to billions of dollars to create a sustainable industrial enterprise most of the time.
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No. 69377
6,4 MB, 1280 × 720, 0:36
Ukrainian ATGM system doing work. Seems pretty good. Like a traditional Russian style guided missile but it has a separate guidance terminal so you can stay in cover while only the launcher itself is exposed.
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No. 69378
>>69374
Man, you just don't want to understand, do you. Keep framing the war so that the only solution is war. It's not unrealistic, just because there are irrational from a perspective of the people fighting and suffering, from an imperilist standpoint this is the only solution, they propose that there are no alternatives, just like you do people dragging people, who gain nothing but sufferings, into this war.
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No. 69379 Kontra
> crisis actors, great reset, Germany is gonna invade Poland
Fucking schizos, what prevents you from simply taking meds?
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No. 69380
>>69377
An old story. "Kornet" a.k.a. AT-14 had that feature for years.
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No. 69381 Kontra
>>69378
>what if he could prevent the war
>what if we did
>should would could
Look, I don't give a tupenny fuck about your dumb "framing" bullshit because the war is CURRENTLY happening AT THIS VERY MOMENT and no amount of "we need to dismantle imperialism and treat people right" jabbering will change that.

In german you would say "das Kind ist in den Brunnen gefallen". And I am asking what you suggest to get it out of the well. But you can't give me an answer, because you have no idea. You can only spout generalisms that directly deny the present reality.
If we get out of this without the entire planet getting glasses, sure, we can discuss how to prevent wars and how to dismantle the structures that are plagueing everyone but the richest people, but until then, just for one second, step into the real world and give me an actual answer.
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No. 69382 Kontra
>>69379
It is your choice to stay delusional about what's happening in the world. It's all on the internet anyway, it's not a conspiracy.
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No. 69383
681 kB, 1200 × 800
>>69380
Technically every Russian/Soviet ATGM has had that feature at least from since they were mounted on a vehicle. Yet you always see non-vehicle mounted ATGMs being guided straight from the launcher itself. At least from what I've seen. Picture proofs from wikipedia, dated 2017.
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No. 69385
>>69376
>suppose I'll be lucky not to die of hunger in a year or two.
Bullshit. After Ukraine business is done, the West is going to decline and Russia will become immensely rich and powerful. Europe will come back begging to Russia soon enough.

Seers have foretold it.
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No. 69386
>>69379
No one said all of this. Great reset is a fact. Klaus Schwab admitted it in public. You want to Denny it? Crisis actors are a fact. It's a facet of anti -Russian propaganda. Germany can not invade Poland, German military is too weak.
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No. 69387
842 kB, 386 × 360, 0:19
Ukrainian konkurs removing tanks.

Stop shitting up the thread.
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No. 69388
1,4 MB, 568 × 320, 0:30
>>69382
The truth is out there....
All you need to do is to connect pieces of puzzle... Cold war, leftie vegans, biolabs in Ukraine... What do they have in common?... Think, Ivan, think...
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No. 69389
>>69305
>Essentially people like me have to pay so that americans can keep stuffing their faces with burgers and drive oversized pickup trucks and SUV's, their rich can live in luxury, while the poor in the US can get free foodstamps.
How will they force you to pay for this?
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No. 69390 Kontra
>>69381
>the war is CURRENTLY happening AT THIS VERY MOMENT

Yeah, I already acknowledged that. It still doesn't change the best option. How to get there? Kill off the imperialist governments. You asked me for what I think is a good idea. And I don't think it is unrealistic, but not realized yet sadly. The only rational option is peace and any peace will only be long term with imperialism stopping. What you sense as realistic from my perspective is peace, Russia fucking off and NATO/EU fucking off. But since they are so into their war games you have to destroy them.
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No. 69392 Kontra
>>69388
Stay delusional, retard.
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No. 69393 Kontra
39 kB, 640 × 338
>You take at least three per day, don't forget to drink it with a sufficient amount of water.
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No. 69394
>>69381
>>69390
Having strong flashbacks of WWI history class and the commie debates over the sacred union of the nation.
French people already discussed the hell out of this topic.
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No. 69395
302 kB, 1360 × 765
Power cut at Chernobyl :DD uh oh :DDD
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No. 69396
The ukrainian foreign minister says Germany needs to help them more and if they don't, they will incur "a new historical guilt".

Next up (prognosis): Baerbock holds a speech, talks about historical responsibility, "never again Auschwitz, never again war", Germany sends troops right into Ukraine, triggers WW3.
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No. 69397
>>69396
>talks about historical responsibility

Scholz already said we are on the right side of history this time.
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No. 69399
36 kB, 500 × 324
>>69397
>Our leader said we are on the right side of history this time
Hmmmm... :DD
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No. 69400 Kontra
>>69397
Yes, we are not siding enough. This is the news report:

>Der ukrainische Außenminister Dmytro Kuleba warnt Deutschland davor, durch unzureichende Hilfen für sein Land neue historische Schuld auf sich zu laden. Bislang habe die Bundesregierung "zu wenig getan", schreibt Kuleba in der "Welt".
>Er fordert unter anderem weitere Waffenlieferungen aus Deutschland, darunter Kampfflugzeuge. "Entweder wird Deutschland eine führende Nation bei der Unterstützung der Ukraine und im Kampf gegen das russische Böse", betont Kuleba.
>"Oder Deutschland bekommt eine neue historische Schuld für verlorene Leben und zerstörte Städte."
>Der Außenminister bezieht sich damit auf die vom NS-Regime verübten Kriegsverbrechen während des Zweiten Weltkriegs in der Ukraine.
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No. 69401
>>69397
This. After two WW lost against Russia, Germany finally picked the right side.

Oh, wait...
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No. 69402
>>69401
>WW1
>lost against Russia
Du was?
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No. 69403
>>69396
We'll just send money, like always. Debt and guilt are the same word in German, n'est pas?

But I don't dare to ponder what a Laschet government would do about now.
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No. 69404
>>69403
>Austriaball
>We
Great changes this war brought, truly.
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No. 69405
>>69404
I'm already sitting in the train to the Eastern front, kek
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No. 69406
>>69402
Russia managed to lose war while being in team of victors, just few months before the end. Probably it's somehow connected with Lenin's sealed train, provided by German government.
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No. 69408
475 kB, 1280 × 1699
>>69406
>Probably it's somehow connected with Lenin's sealed train, provided by German government.
But not just, government collapses don't happen in a vacuum.
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No. 69409
And now the ukrainian ambassador is calling Germany's refusal of an all-out fuel embargo a "stab in the back of the Ukraine".
So we already had historical guilt with nazi allusions, stab-in-the-back myth (what a dumb shitty translation, why is english so shit? Even the literal "dagger stab legend" sounds better) allusions, next Germany will have caused a second holodomor.
All this rhetoric, as well as the president's "when Ukraine falls, you will be next" statements give me a bit of a feeling that they get progressively more desperate.
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No. 69411
8 kB, 573 × 106
Applying for asylum, rational discussion isn't possible anymore over there.
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No. 69413
232 kB, 449 × 600
465 kB, 2000 × 1500
>>69409
We let ourselves get dependent on Russian fossil fuels. We could have worked against that the past 20 years by massively investing in renewables, but starting with Gas Gerd (who should be put on trial for high treason IMHO) CDU/CSU (who ruled from 2005 on until last year) haven't done anything to alleviate the problem, on the contrary. They hindered the construction of new wind parks, the connection of the existing wind parks in the north with the south and they shut down NPPs, which are arguably by orders of magnitude safer than anything in ex-Soviet lands.

Anyhow, the past two weeks were the final straw for me to finally go ahead and order that Tesla I've been eyeballing for two years now.
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No. 69414
755 kB, 272 × 480, 0:10
People complaining about the rhetoric of Zelensky or other Ukrainian politicians is just sad. One should remind themselves that Ukrainians are being destroyed by Russia and their politicians need to secure all the help they can, as fast as they can, and simultaneously cause maximum damage to Russia. This isn't about you or your country but politicians using every trick in the book to get all the support they can. So, maybe they lose face or goodwill with their "insensitive" comments but there's no room for kindly worded requests and long negotiations when your country is going up in flames.
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No. 69415
>>69414
I don't say I don't understand why they are saying these things, but I have a strong aversion against any kind of guilt-tripping.
Also, thanks to what >>69413 talked about we are extremely dependent on foreign fuel, which is the reason why our politicians are being so hesitant. Gas prices are rising, there are more than enough people who need a car and this is probably going to cause actual unrest here.
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No. 69416
60 kB, 716 × 453
While I haven't seen it this sentiment expressed in national politics, I have seen people on the internet complain about the side effects of sanctions - notably the rise in gas prices.

I wonder if support for the Ukrainians will wane as people have to pay what is a perceived cost for backing Kiev.
Update in national politics, PCP seems to have unofficially condemned the invasion, in a statement that includes condemning the USA, NATO and the CIA for the "2014 coup that resorted to xenophobic and warmongering groups". The successor apparent to the current general secretary has today claimed that Zelensky is committing an "ethnic cleansing" of russophile Ukrainians.

Contradictions intensify, after all if there is a genocide underway - then why would anyone object to a swift denazification? Dialectics underway.
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No. 69417 Kontra
>>69415
I don't think it will cause unrest in Germany but it drives a huge ass wedge between countries in the EU and NATO and causes people in different countries to ask questions.
One of which is very simple "Conscience and ideals or money and quality of life?".
This question alone is polarising as evident by every single internet forum at this moment.

So i think that people who currently watch liveleak videos and celebrate "Putin failing in Ukraine" on imageboards and reddit or wherever - are doing this rather prematurely.
Like i said earlier the very fact of this "operation" is already destructive enough to the current world order, it's fait accompli politics. What happened already cannot be reversed by any means.
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No. 69418
>>69417
>One of which is very simple "Conscience and ideals or money and quality of life?".
Nah, I don't think so. One part doesn't give a fuck anyway and the other part will continue to pretend giving a fuck or not caring because they're rich (bougie left).
The thing in Germany is that about 2/3 of the gas price are taxes alone. Which means it would be easy for the politicians to lower the taxes to lower the gas prices.
Of course they won't, so it will most likely lead to the question "why did I even vote these dumbasses into office", like after every election.
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No. 69419 Kontra
>>69318
> Putin couldn't act in interests of oligarchs, it's westerners who secretly force him to do it
> Roskomnadzor can't ban my lovely kohlchan, it's pro-Ukrainian mods who secretly banned all Russian IPs
Try the following: when your views contradict reality instead of making up 4d-chess explanations change your views.
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No. 69421 Kontra
>>69419
I know that arguing with you is tiresome and boring, so i'm not going to argue with you. Just believe whatever you want to believe.
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No. 69425
>>69411
/b/ knows that fuckiong nato had no right to just walk over russia. NATO is to blame for this operation. Most of the pictures and videos you see are fake, anyway. Some are staged, some are from movies, some are from video games. There is no bombing going on in Ukraine, it's a lie. Russian army moved in, they are distributing food and blankets to civilians, they are going to remove the ukrain government of fascists and addicts.

Putin literally did nothign wrong. He warned NATO, but NATO did not listen. So who is to blame?
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No. 69427
2,0 MB, 640 × 360, 0:30
>>69416
Is there a particular reason you're keeping up with PCP? Surely they're not actually relevant in your politics?

>I wonder if support for the Ukrainians will wane as people have to pay what is a perceived cost for backing Kiev
For sure. Though probably by not a lot in the near term.
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No. 69428
>>69413
>We let ourselves get dependent on Russian fossil fuels. We could have worked against that the past 20 years by massively investing in renewables,
Biggest joke is that people blame the green party for high fuel and electricity prices.

They have been in power for 5 months, but now, they are too blame for this. Merkel? NOOOOOOO Mutti did nothing wrong! Green party would have done the same! Fuck those dumb greens! Green party would have also ended nuclear power, so it's literally the same!

Yes, people argue like this. 70% of Germans believe this, unironically. That is how dumb we are. I think if we had the green party in the government from 2005-2022, we'd now be at 65% renewables for electricity, at least, more like 75%. It would have cost us dearly, but it would still have been cheaper than what we have now.
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No. 69429 Kontra
>>69428
>the 7 years of Schröderism that happened before Merkel didn't have anything to do with it
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No. 69430 Kontra
>>69429
>Scholz: 2021-
>Merkel: 2005-2021
>Schröder: 1998-2005
>Scholz and Schröder are to blame for Merkel's disasterous decision to shut down NPPs and replacing their generation capacity with imported fossil fuel
That's your brain on CDU.
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No. 69431 Kontra
>>69430
Merkel didn't do anything new, but continued what Schröder started. Well, not entirely. Had Kreml-Gerd been in power for longer we would probably already be a russian province.
Also, I didn't say anything about Scholz. Now fuck off to your schizo board.
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No. 69432
71 kB, 799 × 450
>>69427
Deeply interested in Marxism-Leninism and Russia, so I've been following PCP's funny lines on Ukraine since 2014. They always sided with Russia, but I thought an invasion would snap them back to reality.
They used to routinely be third or fourth political force. Despite getting destroyed in last election, they're still relevant in their own way.
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No. 69433
>>69431
Could you stop being retarded?
There was a plan to expand renewable generation and fade out NPPs. Merkel did a backflip on that and extended runtimes for NPPs, which was the right decision. Then, she did a partial backflip on her backflip and decided to shut down NPPs ASAP, without any sensible plans if replacing my their generation capicity.

Are you denying that the Merkel government did this? Can you explain what is "schizo" about it? I have the slight suspicion that you were busy in 2011, shitting your pants. Either this or you are the dumbest person alive.
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No. 69434 Kontra
>>69433
You fail to follow simple logical chains. Any kind of discussion with you is pointless.
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No. 69436
>>69434
>Simple logical chains
>Policy in place to expand renewables
>Decision is reversed under merkel
>Green party is to blame

>Simple logical chains
>Merkel was in power for 16 years
>Lifespan of generation infrastructure is max. 50 years
>At least 25% of generation capacity could have been replaced under Merkel
>Dependency on Russian gas is entirely not Merkel's fault
>Green party is to blame

>Simple logical chains
>Let's pretend Nerkel continued the Schröder policies without changing one bit about it, ever, which means Merkel is blameless
>Green party is to blame

>Simple logical chains
>Expansion of renewable energy was slowed down under Merkel
>Green party is to blame

>Simple logical chains
>Merkel decides to let NPPs run longer
>Then, there's a tsunami in Japan, and she decides to shut off NPPs in Germany, without providing any alternatives
>Entirely not her fault, let's pretend that never happened
>Green party is to blame

That's a joke, right?
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No. 69441 Kontra
>>69436
Whoever it is to blame i believe it's clear that Putin took everyone by surprise with his invasion. The way you describe this makes me think that there's an absolute lack of mid/long term planning when it comes to any sort of programs in Germany, whether it's energy-related or possibly anything else.
Things like rejection of the nuclear power can only be described as shortsighted to say the least.
Maybe it's just a failure of the free-market economy that naturally puts less emplasis on central planning.
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No. 69445
>>69441
>Maybe it's just a failure of the free-market economy that naturally puts less emplasis on central planning.
But comrade, in west, their electrical production is not run by markets.
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No. 69449
>>69441
>The way you describe this makes me think that there's an absolute lack of mid/long term planning when it comes to any sort of programs in Germany, whether it's energy-related or possibly anything else.
That is entirely the wrong impression. There is plenty of long time planning, those plans just happen to be unrealistic and are changed to their exact opposite whenever popular opinion demands it.
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No. 69452 Kontra
ha, so when it comes to informational warfare they just did a real sucker punch to the US democratic party and bidens/clintons by doing this "bioweapons" claim.
I think it's not really important whether the claim is true or not, it's more than enough that it's "plausible".
Donald Trump has been given a lot more shit to work with now for his 2024 elections and republicans will probably win in the midterms this year.

Overall when it comes to overall planetary politics, i believe it means that traditional fuel sources like oil, gas and nuclear win over alternative fuel sources.
Financial and Tech/IT industry lose massively from this because from now on people will think they are all genocidal maniacs obsessed with global domination kinda like nazis.

Another great victory for the manking this will be recorded in the history books under "dangers of technology" section, etc etc etc
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No. 69454
50 kB, 800 × 534
>McDonald's has said it plans to continue paying its 62,000 workers in Russia throughout the temporary closure, to the tune of $50 million a month.
At last I see who truly profits from this invasion.
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No. 69457
28 kB, 460 × 259
>London, UK (CNN)The UK has added Russian oligarch and Chelsea FC owner Roman Abramovich to its list of sanctioned individuals as part of its efforts to "isolate" Russian President Vlamidir Putin following Russia's invasion of Ukraine -- throwing the sale of the London club into doubt and prohibiting the buying or selling of players until further notice.
>[...] the new sanctions will see his assets frozen and will prohibit "transactions with UK individuals and businesses," the UK's Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office said in a statement Thursday. The billionaire will also face a travel ban forbidding him to enter the UK.

That the United Kingdom would take this opportunity to arbitrarily punish a Portuguese citizen is sick and yet another betrayal of the Windsor treaty. Romão Abrantes needs to have his fundamental rights restored immediately.
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No. 69458
Ex-chancellor Schröder, like the true hero he is, made his way to Moscow, all on his own, without telling either the government OR the SPD leadership, to talk face to face with Putin and make him stop this war at once.
I salute this selfless and noble paragon of honor.
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No. 69459
>>69458
Would be kind of funny if this lead to peace against all odds.
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No. 69460
>>69459
Fefe, is it you?
Anyway, that would probably be the only possibility of saving his reputation.
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No. 69461
While I was in the park with a friend four assault choppers went over our heads eastwards. Felt weird, albeit not much, it is strange to see assault choppers, I've never seen one IRL before I think. Moving military is a rare occurrence if you don't live near a base. Wonder why where they were going, Poland maybe? Or just training? Or ready to transfer even more east as gift to Ukrain?

>>69458
Keke, I'm curious is this has any effect, maybe Schröder stays against all odds :DD
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No. 69462
>>69461
Interesting. I'm used to seeing military aircraft fly overhead and if anything there has been a complete lack of it since the invasion.
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No. 69463
>>69462
>>69461
Well I don't know if it's just me having become more sensitive to aviation noise, but I am under the impression that since the war started there has been more traffic at the nearby airbase.
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No. 69464
>>69462
I'm visiting family in West(ern) Germany and I've never seen assault choppers flying over the city I lived here for ~25 years. Sure, the noise of military jets (without seeing them though) happened once in a while.

It is probably US military moving material to Poland or the Baltic states. I looked up news and in southern Germany, choppers have been spotted as well and yeah, the ones I spotted look like Apaches now that I viewed some pictures. Don't know if all assault choppers have this specific bulky thing left and right to the cabin(s) above the missile mount, but these were clearly visible from the ground.
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No. 69465
50 kB, 551 × 800
>>69458
History repeats itself :DDD
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No. 69467 Kontra
>>69465
ebin :DD
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No. 69470
A very small youtube channel I'm subscribed to posted a video about the war a few days ago, and there are pro-russian shills in the comment section, using identical talking points as other kremlin shills, like those on 2ch and russian social media.

I wonder how much of it is actual shills vs brainwashed western culture warriors adopting the narrative.
Either way it's quite depressing to know how much internet discourse is compromised.

Btw, notice how the german schizo arrived precisely after the war started and has been posting incomprehensible schizo gibberish ever since. I'm really not against banning such people tbh, I make no distinction between disingenuous shilling and advertisement spam.
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No. 69471 Kontra
>>69470
It is the same tactics the China uses. So they are probably a mix of paid and belivers.
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No. 69472 Kontra
>>69470
It's mixed, I was thinking the German schizo is real though, he seems to have problems with inferiority and such. Maybe it's a Turing Test :DDD
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No. 69474
Noticed some domains don't work for me any more.
Mobile internet fine, home internet sporadic.
Did russia roll out its global firewall or something
I don't like this.
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No. 69475
81 kB, 1048 × 675
>>69470
On YouTube most of the political comments are made by bots. Some bots post purely pre-written comments but others use GPT-derivatives to generate completely new comments given a specific topic, like supporting Russian invasion of Ukraine. Even worse, those bots are often made to respond to comments made by other bots – for example, one of the commenters said that Ukrainians have no right to be neutral in their conflict with Russia, while another comment was bots responding to that comment. The most active commenters on Facebook live in Russian-speaking Crimea and are trying to push the idea of unification with Russia. The conversations are also quite emotional and there are many comments supporting Russia. There are also several comments supporting Putin personally.

On YouTube most of the commenters also support Russia and are bots, with comments talking about how much Russia needs to support Ukrainian people. The bots are usually programmed to react only to a few phrases or to mention specific people or organizations. In some cases they try to hide their Russian origin by being bilingual, for example, an American or a Swedish person. The bots are used to support Russians fighting in Donbas as well. A few of them support Russia-Ukraine war and some of them simply use the topic to post pro-Kremlin or pro-Putin comments.

That whole text was generated with a shitty GPT, input being the two first sentences. If that's available to me, imagine what nation states are using to push their agenda online.

>>69432
>I've been following PCP's funny lines on Ukraine since 2014. They always sided with Russia, but I thought an invasion would snap them back to reality.
There probably is nothing that ever could snap the back to reality. The ideals are a powerful tool to shape the reality with. Though for outsiders it's evident they're drifting deeper and deeper into their own reality than a shared one.

>They used to routinely be third or fourth political force. Despite getting destroyed in last election, they're still relevant in their own way.
Impressive. I would've never guessed they had any sliver of relevance. Interesting!
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No. 69476
219 kB, 1125 × 1956
>>69458
It's happening! Prayer emojis in the chat plx!
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No. 69477
>>69459
>Would be kind of funny if this lead to peace against all odds.
Bull. Schröder only traveled to Moscow to collect his payments, since they can't wire it no after Russia was disconnected from SWIFT.
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No. 69478
>>69475
You know, this GPT generated text made me realize that most internet warriors, be it incels, alt-rights, trannies or sjws, operate in the exact same way.
They ARE bots - human bots - who react to specific stimuli and then rattle off their buzzwords.
And that makes me wonder if the Turing test might be too ambitious.

>>69476
God fucking dammit, I can't even think of anything edgy or funny here because this is so bizarre (from a normal person's point of view, >>69477 is probably spot-on).
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No. 69480
>>69478
An AI smart enough to pass the turing test would also be smart enough to drliberately fail it.

Byut also, many humans fail the turing test anyway lol.
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No. 69481
76 kB, 517 × 724
It gets more and more ebin every day.
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No. 69482
>>69481
Dude played too much Plague Inc.
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No. 69485 Kontra
15 kB, 200 × 200
We've just called the UN Security Council today.
It's gonna be the Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0.
Biden administration is completely fucked.

Sorry about the picture, but i think it's the right picture to post at this very moment.
Whoever called me a schizo in these threads might start apologizing. The other russian anon specifically.
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No. 69486
Russian Embassy in Portugal had commented for the first time on the invasion of Ukraine.

The statement says the Russian army is not fighting against Ukraine or against Ukrainians, as the objective is to eliminate nazi ideology in Ukraine. They also assure the public that this will be done.

Their statement prior to this one was that Russian troops were only performing exercises and would soon leave the border. Truly the Russian diplomatic corps is a heartless bunch, enjoying their life in the west as they lie about their regime's military actions.

>>69485
>Biden administration is completely fucked.
Will this be the case if Russians crow about Ukrainian bird viruses at the UN?
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No. 69487
4,1 MB, 426 × 240, 1:53
>>69478
You can generalize what you said to the entire human race. That's how we operate until they something significant happens with the training data. Then the neural net is retrained and the output changes. We were the bots all along.

>>69485
So there's still time to call you a schizo for the first time? Good.

Now that that's out of the way, what are your expectations for the council? If you've been following the previous security council meetings you'd know that whatever Russia says has no basis in reality and no credibility, and frankly no one cares. Or are you finally admitting to have invaded Ukraine? That would be breaking news really.
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No. 69488
9 kB, 420 × 210
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No. 69489 Kontra
>>69487
If you don't care about possibility of existance of biological weapons in ukraine it means you defend biological weapons in ukraine and actively support this.
Biological weapons are clearly banned as we know from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention

Now there is only two sides you can take here, you either support this or you do not support this.
It's A or B.
Yes or No.
So which one is it, you fucking cheap shill?
Are you really that much of a cunt you would support this for money, are you really that brainwashed you don't care that there's anthrax in those labs cause your shitty neoliberal globalist ideology you're rooting here for is far more important than lives of people eh?
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No. 69490 Kontra
128 kB, 884 × 863
>>69489
First of all, take your meds or go see a doctor.

>If you don't care about possibility of existance of biological weapons in ukraine it means you defend biological weapons in ukraine and actively support this.
I'm not the one to choose anything of your made up alternatives concerning a made up scenario. What you failed to understand was that your words have no meaning on the international stage. You claim a lot of things like: you haven't invaded Ukraine, you are just on a little "denazifying" mission, only bombing military targets and what else. Add chemical or nuclear weapons to that list? Sure! Go ahead. But who cares? Oh you found biological weapons and have proofs? Did you bring them all the way from Russia? Great.

Also to dabble a bit in the Russian-style whataboutism, the Wikipedia article you linked me states that:
>As of 2021, the United States Department of State "assesses that the Russian Federation (Russia) maintains an offensive [biological weapons] program and is in violation of its obligation under Articles I and II of the BWC. The issue of compliance by Russia with the BWC has been of concern for many years".
So why would this such a problem again? You're actively committing these crimes yourself.
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No. 69491
>>69489
Wait, wait, wait, before you invade a country to ban the threat of weapons of mass destruction your country has to lose at least two glas&steel penises, which are the rules of 21st-century warfare. Please follow the script.
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No. 69494
2,0 MB, 720 × 406, 1:11
I usually get called out for siding with Russia and Putin.

I have a feeling not this time!
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No. 69496
>>69494
I think you've got cause and effect mixed up here.
You can't just pick a reason for an invasion AFTER having already invaded.

Btw, there are biolabs all over the world, some US funded and some not. Even in kazakhstan.
Maybe they should invade kazakhstan to seize this one building with microbe petri dishes.

Or better yet, invade wuhan, I heard there's a biolab there too.
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No. 69497
>>69494
This. She admits it on running camera.
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No. 69498
>>69496
Russian government knew in advance. They have a secret service, you know. The west and anti-Russian always think Russia is dumb and weak and they can do whatever they want to Russia, not this time! West is going to lose hard, they are going to regret their anti-Russian stance and they are going to regret starting this war against Russia!
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No. 69499
>>69486
>Truly the Russian diplomatic corps is a heartless bunch, enjoying their life in the west as they lie about their regime's military actions.
How you know what Russia does in Ukraine? How you know better than Russian diplomats? Have you been there? Or have you seen pictures 'fake news' on social media and in western TV? They show stuff cute straight out of cheap war movies and video games, they stage war with crisis actors, you know that?
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No. 69500
>biological weapon this
>Biological weapons that
I think it's possible Russia is soon going to use biological weapons in this war. They need to manufacture those bullshit claims so they can point fingers and say "it is not we who started it, Ukraine had bioweapons program before we killed half of the population with this new and improved version of anthrax!"

When Russia does something that will cause international outrage, they usually first blame the other side for what they are doing or planning to do.
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No. 69502
>>69500
While biological weapons are kinda stupid, they have at least one advantage: they are not trackable. So yeah, Russian government is psychopathic enough to release some nasty stuff in Ukraine, say, by means of those humanitarian aid convoys, and then blame it on American biolabs or whatnot. Suddenly conspiracy theories about man-made diseases become much more plausible.
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No. 69503 Kontra
>>69490
Clearly you are an interested party here which means any further discussion with you is rather pointless, because in the end we’re engaging in a zero sum game type of a conversation, it’s either your win or my win.
And since it works this way - I will no longer seek an argument with you, I do not wish to prove you wrong or anything. In my opinion you are always wrong, incorrect, mistaken and disinformed as a person, regardless of what you have to say next AND as such your opinion on things is irrelevant and should not be taken seriously by me.
I didn’t even read your post past the first sentence to be quite honest but thanks for the effort lol.

>>69491
At this point I am inclined to believe 9/11 was used to approve this biolab research under the pretext of “defense”. I just think that the US went way too far. I don’t really care if the intentions were good, it’s the fact that they could be used to do bad that I find worrying.
And also the fact that they decided to plant them next to our border which of course is not ideal.

>>69496
I think that this research should be banned everywhere in the world, honestly. This is Cold War tier bullshit and the fact that certain countries, large countries, important countries, that were supposed to prevent this shit from happening in the first place, because they are supposed to be THE example - are still doing this regardless of laws while also claiming they support the rule of law? This is bad.

Again the problem is not whether there were bioweapons developed there it’s the fact that they COULD BE. This is enough to raise questions already.

Then of course there’s the problem with the unipolar system, which in my eyes has failed to contain this. The US has failed the unipolar world order by itself as a concept.
If we allow 1 country to become an indisputable hegemony with no way to contain it from the outside - bad shit could happen, actually anything, from genocide to terrorism, chemical and biological attacks, I think it can even go up to a nuclear strike on some city.

Finally I don’t know if Covid-19 was intentional or not and who really released it - who is responsible for it. But in the end does it really matter? I think that the pandemic has shown us that no matter who releases the biological weapons or where - no country is safe from them.
If it were not to happen we wouldn’t know about this research which is essentially illegal. And if much deadlier pathogens escaped by mistake or not - well the entire world is fucked.
It’s just irresponsible, especially irresponsible when placed in clearly unstable countries such as the Ukraine.
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No. 69504 Kontra
>>69503
Also i know that it might sound like i'm playing into the narrative and there are cool versions of this whole event that could be true like
>China has released the virus on purpose and that it was all planned event - fake scaremongering story for the normies from the beginning, pandemic is all fake etc, etc
But it's a conscious choice to support this narrative. I could choose to pick something else but i just don't think i can support anything that has to do with biological warfare directly or indirectly. And yeah i know that i might also sound like a paid shill or kremlin bot.
Whatever.
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No. 69506
(In the meantime, Facebook and Instagram have officially permitted using hate speech targeting Putin, Lukashenko, Russian armed forces and Russians in general in the context of the invasion. Welcome to liberal fascism.)
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No. 69508
>>69506
Just read that, too.
Would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, and I am not even remotely on Russia's side here.
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No. 69510
>>69508
I'm not for that invasion either and hopefully it will somehow end ASAP. That's basically fraticide on an unimaginable scale.

Still, it's difficult not to notice that practically half the world (Russia included) has gone utterly mad in process.
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No. 69511
>>69510
Well people's way of life and plans for the future have been crushed, a sudden change like that of course will cause panic and mass psychosis. Plus the ongoing information war makes it worse cause nobody can understand what's going on. A lot of people might end up traumatized permanently by all this.
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No. 69513
>>69499
Hmm, maybe Russia has never crossed troops over the Ukrainian border. Media clips could have been filmed in a studio. Come to think of it, maybe the Russian army doesn't even exist and it was something NATO made up to justify funding.

I think, in the future, you'll find it easier to just say "well, the west lies too!". Alternatively, you could just go back to making posts celebrating the incoming death of Germans. Leave defending Russia for someone who won't just make them look more asinine than what they are.
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No. 69514
>>69511
>A lot of people might end up traumatized permanently by all this.
I second that.
Ukrainians are in the worst position so far, though.
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No. 69515 Kontra
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No. 69516
42 kB, 457 × 519
>>69486
>The statement says the Russian army is not fighting against Ukraine or against Ukrainians, as the objective is to eliminate nazi ideology in Ukraine. They also assure the public that this will be done.

Your local rus-propaganda is seriously behind schedule. The "denazification" story has been moved on backburner and the current item is "biolabs".

I would argue that this happened because the story about nazis was pushed as far as it could before reaching the believeability threshold among sympathizers. I assume that the biolab-story was scheduled to be used earlier, but progress on the front was a bit slow. I predict that this biolab-story will be used for about 7 to 10 more days before the next story will be moved to the front. I'm kinda eager to see what it'll be tbh

The pushback on the nazi-story was pretty tame at the beginning because denial was an obvious trap. In the end the general angle found for a pushback seems to be "Yes there are nazi militias in Ukraine, but that can't be the main reason for invasion because there are enough nazi militias in Russia to fight if Putin really cared about Nazis".

Example of this narrative: https://nitter.hu/AnarchoWabbit/status/1501268951266848770

---

I'd like to think I'm not as susceptible to propagandized narrative as others, but I know that this thinking is a form of narrative that only helps propaganda. So instead I will try to regularly remind myself that Russia is full of people I'd hang out with rather than fight. And I do this by listening to some more Russian folk like Otava Yo:

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0HtvH34CmZY
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k7TxSDRqdC4

Picture also related.
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No. 69517 Kontra
>>69516
Apparently I'm no longer bavariaball. Finally something positive in those mad times.
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No. 69518
>>69516
Who gives a shit about the Nazi story?

We knew AZOV existed. We knew they had about 5000 trained members. They likely also committed crimes against the people in the separatist regions... a genocde as Russia claims? Probably not.

Point is the Ukraine was threatening Russia and was moving to join NATO. The Russians justifiably felt threatened and did a Bay of Pigs Invasion.

I even believe they had pre-knowledge about the CIA activities in Ukraine. It's probable.
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No. 69519
36 kB, 1206 × 235
>>69500
>I think it's possible Russia is soon going to use biological weapons in this war.
Very possible indeed. As they've started indiscriminate destruction of urban areas and bombing the refugee corridors it's clear that they don't care about civilian casualties. Actually using a chemical weapon would (in their mind) give credibility to their fabricated stories. And like the Belarusian said a biological weapon can't really be attributed to Russia. So it's much more feasible to deploy than something like a tactical nuke for causing massive casualties.

>>69503
>any further discussion with you is rather pointless
Likewise. At least we can agree on something!
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No. 69520
>>69519
>Actually using a chemical weapon would (in their mind) give credibility to their fabricated stories.
How chemical weapons are even related to the biolabs?!
Occasional air attacks on humanitarian corridors do happen during wars. As for destroying urban areas where enemy forces are located, remind me how much remained of Fallujah?..
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No. 69521 Kontra
32 kB, 450 × 347
>>69520
I think it's clear from the context that I meant to say biological weapons instead of chemical.

>whataboutism
How interesting.
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No. 69522 Kontra
>>69521
By calling whataboutism you essentially refuse to engage in an argument not on your terms, where you don't have the advantage.
You don't have a moral highground or a right to lecture other people because every person is equal in his rights, especially here on an imageboard.
This is not a court it's an anonymous imageboard. You are a nobody here, just like everyone else.
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No. 69523 Kontra
4,4 MB, 640 × 360, 0:56
>>69522
Save your breath. For all I know you are the same Russian who I replied to before and who said:
>I didn’t even read your post past the first sentence to be quite honest but thanks for the effort lol.

I have no intent to spend my time arguing to someone who can't even read.
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No. 69524 Kontra
>>69513
> Leave defending Russia for someone who won't just make them look more asinine than what they are.
No, it's really better this way. BTW both these posters are "Russians in Germany", aren't they? Very peculiar demographic group.
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No. 69525
>>69521
Biological weapons are either ineffective (when they don't allow human-to-human transmission) or too damn uncontrollable. There's a reason why no one really used them since WW2. Researching them is one thing, but to actually use them you need to be batshit insane and have really little to lose.
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No. 69527 Kontra
>>69523
You still refuse to see the larger picture and focus on details and current events.
Imma gonna give you an example of what you are doing.
Imagine a situation:
>a jew kills the german
Now you're the kind of person who will instantly accuse the jew of doing a horrific thing - a murder and will call for punishment for him.
Now a larger picture is:
>A jew killed the german because the german was an SS officer who tried to drag him out of his own apartment and to send him to the gas chamber.
The context matters a lot and you erroneously or purposefully ignoring the context.

Another example is.
>slave killing the plantation owner

The murder itself is a bad thing, but slavery is a far worse thing.
Basically your way of thinking and calling whataboutism constantly is a way to defend oppressive systems, such as slavery and can even be used to defend or justify genocide.

By the way i know that you can say
>this is victim blaming, you say this to defend your invasion.

I'm not talking about the invasion i am specifically talking about the sophistry you are abusing in your posts to avoid talking about the larger picture. I am not talking about the invasion right now in my post. I am talking about YOU being a demagogue.

Answer me this:
Do you acknowledge that you are using sophisms in your posts: Yes or No?
If you refuse to answer this question or if you will derail this conversation from my question which has a rather simple answer (yes or no) - it means only one thing.
You are a demagogue and you probably would defend slavery if you were a slave owner as well.
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No. 69529
100 kB, 1171 × 477
> Lukashenko said that he brought to the meeting with Putin a map revealing plans for an attack on Belarus
> Lukashenko told Putin that he would show where an attack on Belarus was being prepared from Ukrainian territory a few hours before the Russian special operation
Has Brazilian Telegram channels already came up with this?
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No. 69530 Kontra
>>69527
What part of "I have no intent to spend my time arguing to someone who can't even read." do you not understand? Do I need to translate it into Russian or what?

You already you admitted to not reading what I have to say. That ends the discussion, does it not?
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No. 69531
>>69530
I asked you a question, where is your answer?
Here's a couple more by the way:
1) Is slavery a good thing, yes or no?
2) Is National-Socialism is a good thing, yes or no?
3) Is Fascism a good thing, yes or no?

It's easy to answer, come on. We're on imageboard.
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No. 69532 Kontra
>>69529
Wow, I'm really waiting for an argument to justify this, kek.
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No. 69533
>>69531
You are just bombing somebody with rather random questions and yet you yourself seem quite confused. What even is the bigger picture you talk about? Tbh your ramblings are incomprehensible to me for instance.
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No. 69534 Kontra
>>69533
>You are just bombing somebody
Yeah, you are right i am.
But, for example, do you find it difficult to answer these questions? I'm just asking you randomly as well, sorry.
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No. 69535
I just don't understand how Europe didn't act to counteract any american CIA shenanigans in Ukraine.

This is like letting a child play with a lighter and a fuel truck in your backyard... I mean seriously!

The moment they formed AZOV, we should have cooperated with Russia to shut the CIA activity in Ukraine down. Are our politicians sleeping? Don't we have any geostrategic planning on our side? This is tragic and pathetic.

We let american powerplay dictate our future.
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No. 69536
>>69535
To a certain level, we should share the security concerns of Russia.

This just doesn't make any sense. It's like our politicians are serving a different master.
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No. 69537
>>69536
>To a certain level, we should share the security concerns of Russia.
No we shouldn't.
We should first and foremost heed our own security concerns. Both russian and american "security concerns" are opposed to ours.
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No. 69538
>>69535
The dobrobats like Azov (also - why do you keep mentioning Azov only?) were basically private projects of Ukrainian oligarchs (mostly, but not exclusively, Kolomoysky) during the lack of central power in early 2014. What does CIA really have to do with it?
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No. 69539
>>69537
>We should first and foremost heed our own security concerns.

When your neighbour's house burns, you should help him put the fire out, before it spreads to your own house.

The Americans have an entire ocean between them and any war in Eurasia, while we are on the same continent. It's easy for them to play around and start wars the only directly threaten us and never them.

I am fairly convinced that they also think of nuclear war as something that will mostly only concern us here in Europe and will not be an existential crisis for them beyond the ocean. Maybe they are convinced they can take out most russian nukes before they hit in North America.
>Both russian and american "security concerns" are opposed to ours.

So why are we serving american interests and not primarily our own?

civil War in Russia means instability for Europe. Do you want to experience a time again where russian plutonium gets smuggled through Europe and sold to God knows who? I don't need that repeated. Russia's security is almost as important to us as the security of the European Union.

That has nothing to do with love. That's self-interest.
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No. 69540
>>69538
>The dobrobats like Azov (also - why do you keep mentioning Azov only?)

BECAUSE THEY HAVE FUCKING 5000 MEN!!!

Look up how the Nazis built the SS! 5000 is already a small army.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/SS
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No. 69541
Instability in Russia may have drastic consequences for all the world, that's true. And weapon-grade plutonium can easily become the least of the problems.
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No. 69542
The Soviets also worked on Rabies and Pest. I can estimate what to expect from a civil war like conflict in Russia, if somebody tries to wrestle power from Putin and his network.

I think they also still have 2 or 3 graphite moderated large reactors in the european part of Russia. Makes me shudder thinking about any psychos causing incidents there. They could blow up like chernobyl.

If you are European, you should desperately want Russia calm and content, no matter who runs it.
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No. 69543
>>69541
I think it's true for any large power, or coutry that possesses nuclear weapons.
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No. 69544
>>69543
Assuming the USA would go down, our primary problem would be their soldiers spread over Eurasia. You don't want heavily armed, unemployed and hungry people on your territory.

The second direct target then would have to be to take out the american nukes in Turkey as fast as possible.
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No. 69545
>>69544
>Assuming the USA would go down, our primary problem would be their soldiers spread over Eurasia.
I think the primary problem would be mexican and south american cartels stealing nuclear material and selling it on black market to Iran or 4th world countries.
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No. 69546
>>69545
Turkey is much more of a threat than Iran. I really don't get why everybody is so scared of them.

Also Pakistan has functioning nukes.
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No. 69547
136 kB, 937 × 619
>>69529
Of course, March 1st.
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No. 69548 Kontra
>>69541
I think the issue becomes what was feared by NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That should the government of Russia collapse into feuding clans and organizations, it's only a matter of time until some non-state actor or maybe some caucasian clan leader gaining access to nuclear weapons of some sort. I think 1991 was uniquely peaceful, all sensible estimates pointed towards copious bloodshed. We might not be so lucky during the next Russian revolution.
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No. 69549
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No. 69550
>>69549
>FSB rolls out new narrative a day ago
https://nitter.namazso.eu/igorsushko/status/1502024319769088003
>>First, we (FSB) are seriously evaluating a version that the current events of war with Ukraine is a war between the US and China, in which the Americans simply set us up and are using us. Now I’ll try to explain succinctly & clearly.
>>(This is the new ‘nonsensical’ working theory that the FSB analysts are being tasked to work on)
>>The US has basically set a trap for us, almost analogous to the trap set for Iraq in Kuwait, when Saddam Hussein was being convinced that for a “small conflict (incursion)” there will be no response.
>local russian shill posts this image
Really activated my neurons.

Either these supposed "FSB leaks" aren't as fake as I thought, or the schizo german is a very dedicated bamboozle artist who stays on top of all the news just to fuck with posters of a dead imageboard.
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No. 69551
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No. 69552
>>69551
Good god he looks like a zombie, did they dig him out of the ground just for this video
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No. 69553
>>69552
He's 93.
To be honest i like his views and his idea about "threat of a good example". This explain very well the animosity of the american politicians to China/Russia and every country that decides to go it's own way and gets good at it.
Because an alternative system means that reforms are needed that might touch the ruling elite. And as such it's far easier to just employ 1984-propaganda and erect some sort of iron curtain, whether it's psychological or virtual or real between the US sphere of influence and the rest of the world. I think it's just how anglos did it always to be honest, before the US - the UK did the same in 19th century.
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No. 69554
606 kB, 794 × 941
>>69550
>"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion

The american media have not yet been fully cleaned. The comments about it are still out there and I do remember these comments too.

>Biden suggests Russia may not be heavily punished for a 'minor incursion' into Ukraine, prompting White House scramble to clarify

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment-minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1

That sounds a lot like Iraq.
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No. 69555
>>69553
It's interesting how a person will look basically the same between 50 and 70 or whatever, and then in a few years quickly deteriorate into a walking corpse.
I think that point of rapid deterioration is when I'd prefer to die.

Regarding the threat of a good example, isn't that all empires?
The westernization of ukraine becoming a good example of what an "alternate" russia would look like is possibly a big part of why russa wants to keep them in their sphere so much.

USSR did it, China, even north korea paint the "outside world" as completely degenerate, and I bet what we see about China as outsiders is also narratively manipulated before it gets to us.
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No. 69556 Kontra
60 kB, 583 × 685
>>69555
>It's interesting how a person will look basically the same between 50 and 70 or whatever, and then in a few years quickly deteriorate into a walking corpse.
Indeed. Chomsky looked like this in 2019.
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No. 69557
>>69555
No, not really. English jingoistic nature is something entirely different because the whole society is built around the idea of having a moral highground over other countries.
Usually it’s as follows
>those continental savages are at war with eachother again, look at us being proper civilized on our island, we might be scum but at least we’re peaceful scum
It uses geographical advantage of the UK to explain their uninvolvement and “peacefulness”. The US is similar just larger.
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No. 69558
4,2 MB, 854 × 470, 0:48
Interesting programs on Russian TV.

Also this video and whole channel is breddy good. Russian kids making interviews on the streets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TGvndDcxE
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No. 69559
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No. 69560 Kontra
>>69559
Hm. So it's the very same whataboutism that the leftists like to accuse others with. Looks like the US is on the defensive now.
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No. 69561
>>69560
The problem is we haven't seen evidence yet. He has presented interesting numbers. The number of containers they have moved is quite detailed and that's suspicious.

They need to present actual evidence. If they have such detailed numbers, then it's possible they have that evidence.
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No. 69562
Just for personal estimation: did the Iraq invasion justified by weapons of mass destruction also found a foreplay in form of meetings of the UN security council?
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No. 69563
>>69559
"We are only showing you a very small portion of the evidence we have available."
The bravado, the chutzpah, all of it is commendable.

>>69550
So far as justifications for war, we have:
  • Denazification/Demilitarization
  • CIA-Ukrainian bird virus that affects Russians
  • Russophone Genocide
  • Ukrainian Nuclear weapons program
  • Planed invasion of Donbass, March 2022
And now it seems that the entire crisis was engineered by the US because they knew how bad it'd be for Russia.
Russian propaganda really fundamentally makes no sense, Ukrainians have been committing all sorts of cartoonish evils and yet Russia is still not onboard with a full invasion - merely settling for a 'special military operation'. Maybe they're scared :DD
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No. 69564
>>69563
Russians of all are the true postmodernists, "anything goes" (Feyerabend) is the russian propaganda maxime as long as it fits the master narrative of Ukraine is evil and needs to be invaded bc X. You just let the people device in what X they want to believe and fit it into their other fragments of world-relations, that with luck get some kinds of coherence, but usually all narratives these people create are fragile in their built, ready to get blown by some tiny remarks that make them implausible.

I readily believe the US was engaged in bio labs in the Ukraine, why not? Maybe the US funded bio labs even, why not, after all they have interests in Ukraine as well. But maybe that's it. There are no bio weapons, just the usual economic-knowledge transfer partnerships of a hegemonic liberal-capitalist world order.
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No. 69565
>>69563
You forgot the "it's not an invasion but training exercise".
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No. 69566
>>69563
>yet Russia is still not onboard with a full invasion - merely settling for a 'special military operation'. Maybe they're scared

Which actually fits to the story that they were not actually planning to go in fully.

Biden said that the USA would tolerate a minor incursion. It seems the USA really lured Russia into a trap. Maybe they did that to check for bioweapons.
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No. 69567
>>69566
It must take some special kind of person to read "Russia is still not onboard with a full invasion - merely settling for a 'special military operation'." and take it at face value.
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No. 69568 Kontra
>>69564
I think it's this way because post-truth became a thing. Today it's not very relevant what a person says, what is important is what he does.
Words are absolutely worthless. Actions matter.

When you look at it this way - we merely adopted the US foreign policy in a more grotesque manner. We don't even try to pretend we're not lying. We ARE lying. Constantly. It's obvious.

It's basically a sign of a massive disrespect to the established international world order, a middle finger, a big "fuck you". It's hilarious in a way because we're clearly getting away with it.
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No. 69569
7,8 MB, 1280 × 720, 1:14
>>69567
>and take it at face value.

The suspicion is that Russia had an agreement with the USA to move in and check for bioweapons or determine if allegations of genocide against the russian population were true...

And that that agreement was bait the USA used to lure Russia in and betray them. With all we know from the USA about Iraq, I find that highly likely.
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No. 69570
>>69569
After remembering these statements by Biden, I am really inclined to believe that the USA pulled another Kuwait and this time on Russia.
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No. 69571
23,7 MB, 720 × 480, 2:34
>>69563
>Ukrainian Nuclear weapons program
Dirty bomb included?
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No. 69572
>>69570
The goal is to make us pariah and the hope was that China will be on board with it. It didn't work cause Chinese have their own goals that happen to align with ours.
The goal of the US right now is to break up Russia/China "axis". If this doesn't work, then they establish an iron curtain and it's Cold War 2.
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No. 69575
>>69569
>The suspicion is that Russia had an agreement with the USA to move in and check for bioweapons or determine if allegations of genocide against the russian population were true...
High quality schizo drivel. America agreeing for Russia to conduct a fact finding operation with artillery. I hope that's the next narrative they go with.
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No. 69576
>>69572
We here in Germany were pretty happy with buying russian gas and Schloz is still buying.

The goal of the USA was to break up growing close relationship of Europe and Russia.

There is no way anybody would ever expect China to break with Russia. Europe will now be fully dependent on the USA. We are being turned into a Pariah by the division into East and West. This will cripple our economy and we will be back on the american leash. Far less will change for Russia than for Europe.

We are fucked much harder than Russia. We are back in the cage. That's why Johnson is so demonstrably creaming his pants over this situation.
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No. 69577
>>69568
Words and action go together. The funny thing is that while post truth might be real to a certain extent I remember a postmodern writer to say in 1985 that going beyond the holy grail of (absolute) objectivity does not mean to buy absolute relativism in return as both try to deflect their own position when making an argument. Arguments are still the way to go, albeit we have no absolute objectivity, we have to see why and when and who and how an argument is made and what that tells about an argument and its validity.
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No. 69578 Kontra
>>69576
Well the EU had a choice and EU politicians decided they don't or maybe they can't separate from the US.
Now at least you know for sure that the US owns you, you are like a vassal of sorts, not an ally and NATO/EU is a mere occupational government and you are occupied by the "AUKUS" countries since 1945.
If they suddenly feel like it - they can easily throw you under the bus, nuke your economy or even start a war in europe.

What will people of Europe do now with this knowledge.
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No. 69579
>>69576
The schizoism is real.

>The goal of the USA was to break up growing close relationship of Europe and Russia.

>Europe will be USA lapdog

I thought Russia will invade EU weaklings and fill up gender boypussis, now we become lapdogs since USA is disrupting Euro-Russion friendship. What world do you live in anyway? All of these are strategic alliances. USA, EU, there have common and differing interests, same goes for Russia and China. They are all powers of high(er) significance in this world and they ultimately due to a rationality of competition fuck each other over if possible and strategically useful and clever in light of that rationality. Maybe the value systems play a role, but ultimately everyone one of them wants to dominate and secure the biggest hare they can get. Du bist einfach so ein Naivling, pick your sides, loser.
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No. 69580
>>69578
>What will people of Europe do now with this knowledge.

Everything that is not stated by the US controlled media equals a meaningless conspiracy theory... even if more people here were aware, they would still deny it. It's a really fucked up situation and now with more and more US fueled tension, it gets dangerous to even mention opposition to the USA.

The entire development of the last 20 years is destroyed. We are back to mindless lapdog status. The USA will keep deciding our present and future.
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No. 69582
>>69579
>All of these are strategic alliances. USA, EU, there have common and differing interests,

Our main interest is Nord Stream II... why is that on the line, if we are just in a strategic alliance?

How can the USA force us to destroy it and buy LNG from the US and russian gas via the pipelines going through Ukraine and South East Europe?
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No. 69583
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>>69552
It's 4pm, honey, time to justify Red Khmer!
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No. 69584
>>69551
Wow. Not sure what hit me the hardest, the fact how old he's gotten, that he's now 93 or that he now has a beard...

Also, I can't really find any fault in what he's saying (as usual).

Man, I can only hope I'll have as much clarity at that age, if I should even get that far.
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No. 69585
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They only get the best.
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No. 69586
>>69563
>Russian propaganda really fundamentally makes no sense
No, it makes a lot of sense. In such unambiguous situation they won't gain new followers, but at least they are trying to keep useful idiots whom they already have. So they are providing them with multiple explanations, and each one of them can choose which he likes the most. For lefties it's a "denazification excuse", for alt-rights it's a based crusade against "globohomo", "degeneracy" and kike (((Zelensky))) , for qanon schizos it's bird-transmitted corona.

What is more surprising however is one that one vatnik can believe in multiple contradicting theories at same time. It's not even "doublethink", it's "quadruplethink" or "pentuplethink".
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No. 69587
>>69586
>It's not even "doublethink", it's "quadruplethink" or "pentuplethink".
Why not just call it "Tupelthink" then?

>>69585
Idiot anglos will darwin themselves out of humanity, they have my full support.
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No. 69588
>>69586
Because it's realpolitik. The explanation is irrelevant cause the goal is expansion of the sphere of influence by any means necessary.
The opposing camp - the davos crowd, still live in the paradigm of the XX century and the cold war. They are still fighting for the unipolarity.
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No. 69589
>>69585
There are already stories of British and American volunteers running away because the fucking Westoids never actually knew the other side can have planes too, and after ransacking Iraq and Afghanistan like the monsters they are, they just learned what it's like to endure an airstrike from an actual modern army.
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No. 69590
>>69588
That's one of explanations. Usually such Machiavellianism comes with long tearful essays on how pumpkins on Halloween are cultural imperialism and terrible crime against humanity.
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No. 69592
168 kB, 1598 × 638
>>69589
Who exactly remains unfazed under an airstrike? Think you need an excavator to dig yourself out of that armchair? War hits pretty hard regardless of where you are from. The Russian PoWs would probably agree even if they're not wecteners.
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No. 69593
>>69589
Are you "westoid" yourself or migrant from Asia?
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No. 69594 Kontra
>>69592
No, they were genuinely shocked that the Russians have an actual air force and air superiority.
It's not just that they were scared the first time, it's that they were completely surprised that they're at the receiving end of an air-strike.
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No. 69595 Kontra
I think I can safely say that I'm descending into madness slowly and quietly over this war.
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No. 69596
>>69595
You're certainly not alone with that sentiment.
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No. 69598 Kontra
>>69595
This board basically takes its fuel from this thread atm and it's not a good thing IMO. Otherwise yes, but this thread is my only contact with this war besides news and some occasional twitter.
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No. 69599 Kontra
>>69598
What else should we do? Ignore it? It wouldn't be so bad if we could remove the schizos and cabbagers.
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No. 69600
1,7 MB, 1280 × 688, 0:13
Russian infowar doctrine feels like it was written by a 14 year old sosacher.
Instead of subtly influencing opinions and swaying people to their side, the russian shills seem to be focused on BTFOing people on message boards and comment sections with "clevery", "scathing" and "witty" remarks.
But all it does is turn fence sitters hostile, and turn believers even more fanatical. But what is the point of propaganda that only works on those who are already converted?

>>69598
I've been monitoring the war closely all over the internet and I've seen enough pictures of bombed cities, mutilated bodies, mutilated still living bodies, dead children under concrete rubble, and blood soaked passports of russian conscripts with "2002" written in the date of birth field, to say that yep, I've had enough internet for some time.
Been having some unpleasant dreams, even.

Attached video takes the cake, though. Something truly horrific about having exactly 1 second to see the explosion coming your way before being torn to pieces and burned to a crisp.
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No. 69603
(I'm the Germany who brought up asylum for deserters and perhaps even draft evaders in the last thread. If you don't want to read about that, ignore this post.)

>>69214
>"politisch verfolgt" is not an indicator that this person is in any way desirable
I agree. I mulled clarifying that by adding something like "… unless of course the person seems undesirable in more ways than just being a non-western refugee who doesn't speak the host language", but I thought it obvious and didn't want to make my post even longer. BTW, I wasn't even saying "politisch verfolgt" should be a reason for asylum. But I think the Grundgesetz does, so I think it's hypocrisy to deny "politisch verfolgt" status to those who would desert from an army carrying out an Angriffskrieg (with assorted war crimes) roundly condemned and denounced by our masters who claim legitimacy from the same Grundgesetz. So, Rechtsstaat is all good and well unless it costs monies? I'd prefer they'd change their Grundgesetz to accurately reflect their policy of Obergrenze and their Sicherung der Außengrenzen newspeak; that way, at least it wouldn't be as dishonest.

>Also, as the finn said, how can you prove it?
I've already replied to Finland here >>69197 – if a state wanted to actually drain the war instead of performing a mere PR motion, they could lower required proof down to just being male, of reasonably able physique and age, and plausibly passing as a Russian citizen. It later turns out some refugees weren't Russians after all and have no right to be here? Try to deport them. It's not like this hasn't happened before. Only the scale would be new, if many Russians took us up on the offer.

>in the countries that would take them
Of course, if everybody eligible would actually try to reach the West, and then succeed in doing so, this would be a problem. Of course, such refugees would have to be more or less evenly distributed among as many willing hosts as possible, see how well that has worked in the EU in the past. Of course, if the only hosts willing to accept those refugees were, say, Slovakia, Slovenia and Luxemburg, they would not be able to shoulder it if everyone eligible were to actually arrive there.

>you are operating under the premise that this is a one-time unique aggression
I don't think I was?
But I was wrong to use the word "alternative" as if it had to be either this or that. It can of course be either, or neither, and one could adjust how much of each, as long as the budget allows.

>Something even the most hardcore leftists are now starting to understand is that you can't live in peace if you don't have the means of defending that peace.
What hardcore leftists or rightists understand is not the issue here. I think what got us here are not hardcore leftists but is our masters feeding evil by always doing whatever is most profitable, instead of what a decent person would choose. Arguably proving that our masters are themselves evil. If our masters had not for decades transfered so much money to the masters of China and Russia (and African shithole puppets for collaborating with our deportations, I mean repatriations), they wouldn't now need to transfer so much taxpayers' money to the military industry or spend it on refugee support.
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No. 69609
Half a day ago, there was yet another allegation of false flagging, which I haven't seen mentioned here. Voice of Hoholstan writes [0]:

>2022-03-11T16:57:00+02:00
>Russian aircraft launched an air strike on the village of Kopani [*] in Belarus from the Ukrainian airspace.
>
>The Air Force Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wrote this on Facebook [1], Ukrinform reports.
>"Today at 14:30, the State Border Service received information that Russian aircraft took off from Dubrovytsia airfield (Belarus), entered the territory of Ukraine, turned over our populated areas of Horodychi and Tumen, and then launched an air strike on the populated area of Kopani (Belarus)," the report says.
>"Currently, the 9th Border Detachment is watching the occupation of this settlement by the enemy! This is a provocation! The goal is to involve the armed forces of the Republic of Belarus in the war with Ukraine!" the Ukrainian military emphasized.

[*] Apparently, there are three Belarusian villages called Капані – although after the alleged strike, there may be only two? I guess they're talking about the one in Столінскі раён, because the other two are not near Ukraine.

Reminds me of ISW's claim that "US and allied intelligence services “pre-bunked” many planned Russian false-flag attacks intended to justify the invasion […] Such intelligence sharing likely forced President Vladimir Putin to choose between delaying or canceling the invasion and conducting it without informational cover." [2] Also bombing of Kassa mentioned by Hungary.

[0]
In English: https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3426746.html
In Russian ("Российские самолеты нанесли удар по беларуси со стороны Украины"): https://www.ukrinform.ru/rubric-ato/3426723.html
Follow-up in Russian ("Минобороны беларуси назвало фейком информацию о ракетном ударе по своему селу"): https://www.ukrinform.ru/rubric-ato/3426885.html
[1] https://www.facebook.com/kpszsu/posts/331578609010094
[2] https://isw.pub/RadioChemFalseFlag
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No. 69610
>>69600
>>But what is the point of propaganda that only works on those who are already converted?
To prevent the situation from worsening, quite obviously.
Russian propaganda is chiefly designed for an internal user in the first place.
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No. 69611 Kontra
>>69600
>Instead of subtly influencing opinions and swaying people to their side, the russian shills seem to be focused on BTFOing people on message boards and comment sections with "clevery", "scathing" and "witty" remarks.

You know Russia invaded Ukraine to stop a genocide in Donbaz❓❔❓ There is alley of angels in Donezk. But western media is biased and will not tell you this ❗❕❗❕
They do not care about these children who were killed by nazis❗❗❗
Here look‼️‼️ photo of Russian army distributing blankets

Wake up sheeple🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ you are being lied to

many such posts from German boomers on social media.
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No. 69612
>>69611
>>You know Russia invaded Ukraine to stop a genocide in Donbaz
Starting an identical "genocide" of its own, just 20 times larger this time. Fabulous.
Pray, enlighten me, was there no other way to stop the "genocide" in Donbass?..
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No. 69613
>>69611
It's quite ironic that the only area that is "silent" on the live war map the last days are the two separatist areas.
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No. 69614
606 kB, 794 × 941
rofl

With the confirmation of biological weapons research being conducted in Ukraine, you America shills have already lost the war.

Now it's only a matter of time. It doesn't even matter if it will now be made fully public or not. The war is already decided in Rushka's favour. There will now be negotiations behind the curtains to not embarrass the USA too much.

Oinkraine will be taken apart like a spitroasted pig. Maybe Western Oinkraine will be allowed to join the EU. Eastern Oinkraine will be completely demilitarized, agricultural producer with hardly anything else.

Selenskyi and his genius machinations with the Obama/Clinton/Biden mafia have completely fucked over his own people and caused his country to break apart. The Oinkrainians will lynch him when they find out.

(User was banned for this post)

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No. 69616 Kontra
>>69576
China will fuck over Russia first chance they get. There is no love between those countries. They have massive border disputes among other things.

Good thing Germany finally woke up to the fact that they will be next if they don't do something about it. Hopefully Europe will get its act together this time. The next election in the USA is going to be interesting and depending on the outcome we may se our selves alone again. So fucking build some nuclear power plants and wind turbines and shit.
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No. 69617
>>69616
Germans are basically weak effeminate men who enjoy watching German women talking kilometers of dark-skinned penis. They will bend what ever directions the wind blows. They will never build npps, because they Germans are scared shitless of NPPs. Germany is basically a pathetic joke. You better remember this. Do not forget.

(User was banned for this post)

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No. 69618
>>69616
>China will fuck over Russia first chance they get.

Why? Russia is weaker than China. Everybody can see that and the Russians would be stupid to deny that.

If China disturbs Russia too much, they will have the same problem as the EU with Russia. China wants russian resources.

If this was the 19th century they would send in the PLA and occupy Siberia, but nowadays people are smarter.

They will keep the russian government around as administrators of the resources. That way the borders of Russia stay mostly a russian problem and China or Europe can send help if needed.

With good relations with China and Europe, Russia is actually in a relatively good spot. There is no immediate danger from any of its big neighbours.
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No. 69621
>>69618
>If this was the 19th century they would send in the PLA and occupy Siberia, but nowadays people are smarter.
They aren't. It's the total balance of costs and profits which has changed.
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No. 69624
>>69600
Majority of russian population has the mentality of an edgy teenager or a detached housewife, they don't care about anything except loud words and emotions
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No. 69625 Kontra
1,4 MB, 640 × 360, 0:21
All this shitposting for years on imageboards about the fall of the west and reordering the world via military conflict, that there's a paradigm shift coming, that it's not only might happen, but it's ought to happen, because the breaking of the west foreign hegemony will be the thing that breaks its cultural hegemony and it'll finally end neoliberalism for good by proving how impotent and retarded it is, and now that it's here, it is here finally, you realise how fucking weightless everything was up until this point. How the thousands of purges, the maps you've drawn up in your mind were ultimately just jerking yourself off and was just pure fucking wish-fulfilment without consequences.

Like you want these two things to connect, but you also don't. Like was that Dugin meme I shared two months ago something leading up to this?
People are dying over politics one country over and suddenly being an online extremist just doesn't feel good or right, but can I spit myself in the face and not keep on being one?
I don't want to support the US in a conflict, because fuck the US, they dragged us into this shit in the first place.

Ultimately it's not about me, me, me but tell me I'm wrong if this war isn't also ideologically challenging for a lot of outsiders.
(Or is it just me and other people just immediately found a convenient narrative to assimilate the conflict with?)
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No. 69626
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>>69625
>I don't want to support the US in a conflict, because fuck the US, they dragged us into this shit in the first place.
There really are worse things than the European order inaugurated by the US. Then again, the truth litmus test of a worthy revolutionary intellectual, is how well they can ignore the sheer brutality of the alternative in order to really stick it to those damn Yankees. Pol Pot might have been a little extreme, but the Khmer Republic was backed by the US and that's a cardinal sin.
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No. 69627
>>69624
Majority of German population has the mentality of a detached housewife or little girl. They think everything can be fine if 'people can just get along', 'the problem is putin did not get enough love as a baby', and 'we must remain peaceful, every violence will only lead to counter-violence'.
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No. 69628
>>69445
I can't tell if this is a joke but it's don't. Free markets are a complete enough disaster to make Texans freeze to death. It works well enough with enough resources to stand atop like standing on a pile of ladders to look over a wall and hawk Levis at them. Then again maybe others pay even more than I do which is over $200 on electric to the energy company. All those parts are built by private companies too, often GE.
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No. 69629
>>69625
You don't have to spport the US. US/EU or Russian imperialism, it's both bad. It's not in my interest to live under Pootin imperialism, so I'd either pick up guns or fuck off either when it would happen to me. But that does not automatically make a western free market (aka capitalism and it's neoliberal modus operandi atm) order the best option.
Also, it is hardly the fall of west. Sure, the west isn't the only very dominant power and this conflict with Russia IS exactly what has happened before oh so often, a struggle of great political powers. The west "downfall" is like moving from skyscraper floor 570 (of 570 stories) to 500 or 450. Hardly a downfall.

Atm I'm reading a book on capitalism and that it always had to rely on cheap resources/ernergy, work and food that was outside the analysis of commodity production, slave work, coal, timber etc, was always free to take from nature. Capital was always able to reinvent the wheel and find a new frontier to get cheap food, energy, and work, but maybe this is coming to an end. neoliberalism is seen a crisis government, as these frontiers are not there anymore you redistribute instead. Now the question would be if capitalism can reinvent itself and find new frontiers (new technology for cheap energy for example, also something still alien sounding like astro mining would classify for this). Maybe the war plays into this.

In the end two super powers want to dominate a significant amount of smaller powers. The function is the same. The concrete details differ.
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No. 69630
>>69625
If you want to test your German
https://de.gegenstandpunkt.com/artikel/ukraine-russland-nato#fnref10

They will deliver an analysis of what I said, haven't read it myself yet, but the formal structure is basically what I said.
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No. 69632 Kontra
>>69630
>Russia Struggles for its Assertion as a Strategic Power - America Struggles for its Elimination

>In the middle of our beautiful Europe with its wonderful peace order, suddenly war again? How could it come to this? Yes, how? All of a sudden, in the middle of the most beautiful peace, war did not break out. Nor did it break out for some inexplicable reason by some crazed Russian autocrat. In this case, too, the following applies: The reasons for war are created in peace. By states that have once again reached the point in their relations with each other that they think they have to inflict a crushing defeat on each other. In the present case, the reasons have been a long time coming. And the fact that it is now starting in Ukraine is no coincidence either.

Non-Germans might use some translator like deepL seems to deliver content sufficiently.
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No. 69633 Kontra
>>69631
Wie dumm du bist.
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No. 69634
>>69471
You should see TWoM comment sections. It's like 90% mandarin piggu speak now ever since the devs made a fundraiser to donate money to the Red Cross for Ukraine. They tried review bombing it too but the game's been out since something like 2014 as a wildly popular and well liked one so good luck with that. Interestingly, GOG got flooded with reviews sending Putin to hui, which is hard to tell sometimes if it's real people buying it or just a side effect of being Polish and therefore hating Russia as matter of ethnic policywhich, to be fair, seems to be every single person within thousands of kilometers outside Russia, including Kazakhstan, as well as seemingly everyone inside Russia unless someone outside agrees with them about hating Russia. The other interesting thing to me is exactly the kind of anime loving, pol-posting furfags with le edgy alt right "Chads Gang" groups on their profile are the only seemingly organic NPCs agreeing with them. This in spite of the fact at least here people are politically united in sending Russia to hui, it's just half the country says well yeah but Biden is doing it wrong. So really, it's just down to the handful of sad NEET extremists who agree with botfarms.

>>69478
That's exactly why we started calling the Ameri shitposting wave of circa 2015 NPCs, which they then stole along with wojak and several other things too oblivious to realize why they were called it in the first place. It's because they're literally indistinguishable from bots. They operate solely on snappy buzzwords, shitposting, and incongruent doublethink, and ironically by being bots are incapable of understanding how their schizo babble is logically inconsistent. As time wore on since late 2020 the chan ones only got more deranged and depraved so I can easily see that German being a real underwear shitting, piss bottling alleged human at least in form. They are incapable of passing a Turing test and they colonized every single chan but this one by changing the culture from say, long entertaining stories, creepypasta traditions, long redtext stories etc. into people will literally call a complete sentence "tl;dr" and slenderman bullshit. Honestly out of all the stupidest cancerous trash I think slender was the worst because it wasn't even shitposting at that point, just 10 year olds spamming the same shit over and over like a spambot. Seeing the worst abomination being on steam fills me with another drop of rage at that platform especially when genuinelu excellent stuff like Gideon's Calgary Keys is now unheard of, but considering a defining feature is laziness alongside ignorance and stupidity I suppose it's probably a blessing. After all, Brad Pitt could've never heard about World War Z and then he could've made a horrendous movie called CGI Zombie Spam instead, rather than me sitting here and waiting another decade for someone to finally make a film version of World War Z or the first videogame based on World War Z.

Anyway people say youtube, and youtube isn't even that bad on the Anglish speaking side at least ami one. Mostly it's just the usual npcs "support Ukraine pray for peace [insert emoji]" which I don't even get the fucking point of it. Like why? Are normal emotionally reactive humans caring about this? Does it bolster their spirits or create some type of a morale buff or something? Or do they engage it narcissistically out of virtue signalling only? Because I am a very lazy person and cannot for the life of me imagine all the effort to logging back into YT just to post the exact same thing word for word millions have said before, for no good reason at all, which no one will see and which says literally nothing, only to log back out. At least the astroturfers and spambots are sensible in it can disrupt communications or spread disinfo, but mainly YT is the whole world saying it stands with Ukraine. I haven't yet seen a lot there other than occasional usual Russian business of "NATO put shit in my pants" "no proofs, it is NATO who broke the agreement, not I my friend" proofstering.

One interesting thing is yes indeed, sociopaths and narcissistics really do I think telegraph their next move by blaming other parties first. I think this is because they know they are going to be caught and assume injecting some combination of moral relativizing will disrupt conversation, and arrogantly assume by making people think "there are two sides to this story" they can then manipulate most others into agreeing with them. Blaming "Polish aggression" is a great example. I think they think it, at its worst, just exposes what they're planning on doing to begin with in such a way that others can say "well they're both guilty so who cares, let us not get involved" so they can freely bully and rob their target, which based on what I saw Russia saying I genuinely think the Russians are already planning on releasing chemical and bioweapons to genocide ethnic Ukrainians including releasing biological warfare agents against crops and livestock so they can either starve out or force to buy solely Russian product or suffer new Holodomor. Do I think that Putin was planning to genocide Ukrainians from the very beginning? Yes absolutely. I would keep watch on what Putin or other bottlesitters claim NATO/Ukraine is doing to anticipate what they're about to do next.

>>69503
Even if there are biological agents I guarantee you it's being done more to research vaccines and anti-microbials, not weapons. Why you ask? Because answer is obvious: the Wect solely cares about money, and a contagion spreading rapidly around the world makes them lose hell of a lot of money. Why do you think we developed the alleged "Capitalist bomb" also called neutron bombs? Because we wanted to steal your shit. You, on the other hand, don't care if everyone lives in mud and shit with you out of spite, which is why we anticipate having defense against everything from plague to wheat rust to anthrax, so as to lose less money.
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No. 69637 Kontra
>>69635
Ach, Schizo. One is to believe you want the apocalypse, everything needs to be flushed, a big orgy of destruction because they all deserve it. Pathetic.
But in case you didn't notice the supply chain issues have been a topic in the last two threads already and it wasn't just you who talked about it.
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No. 69638 Kontra
>>69635
>>69636
Now this is schizoposting. You don't even have to read it to see. Good thing this board has a schizo detection function.
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No. 69639
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>>69494
You need samples of MRSA to develop anti-MRSA compounds; you need samples of SARS or Marburg genetic material to research a SARS or Marburg vaccine. The problem with that is, in a warzone where bottle sitters are willing to open fire in the same nuclear reactor their mismanagement already melted down around our births, odds of them hitting a containment facility and letting some monkey out of its cage grows high it bites some Ukrainian child and spreads marburg to columns of Russian soldiers when they liberate young girls/children in the Russian manner. So if you catch cholera yes it is surely Russians' faults, who never should've been there or started this war in the first place and who therefore could not have initiated this logical chain in the first place, or who could've also destroyed their microbial and viral stockpiles ages ago so we'd not have to be forced to research cures in the first place. It's quite simple, my Slavic friend.
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No. 69642 Kontra
>>69640
Nah. Soon you will spiral down and stop paying your bills because mindrays or something. Time is on our side.
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No. 69644 Kontra
>>69638
Notice that they are so much schizos that they were banned even on kohlchan and had to come here. This is called "fired from Gestapo for cruelty" in Russian.
Also notice that psychiatrists in addition to their wage have special privileges like additional vacation and premium, same as employees on chemical factories and other workers in harmful working conditions. Communicating with schizos for free is sure a wrong thing to do.
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No. 69645
>>69522
Finland didn't invade Iraq iirc so yes he maintains the moral high ground also for not participating in that war. So, why are you saying you want to be as evil as the Americans again? That makes you just as bad as they are, only poorer and without any hope for a better future. So why should I as a Russian then be rooting for someone just as bad but who also keeps me chained to poverty?

>>69569
Yes yes of course, really it was USA who tricked innocent Putin into creating this complete disaster for Russia and with nothing gained of it but Putin giving Russians a second 1990s. Surely that was evil Wect fault, surely it was evil Nazi Jew Zelensky fault, anybody fault but Putin's stupidity.
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No. 69646
>>69577
You use argumentation and testing of hypotheses in order to establish a more objective truth.

Also one thing which I would expect of the Russian bot farms is to have rashkabots posing as German IPs to saying "oh how disastrous this is for the Germans we will starve!" because in truth the reality is that Russia needs Germany a hell of a fucking lot more than Germany needs Russia, and that because of its huge reliance on Russian natgas and other resources if Germans were to do the sensible thing and turn to other fuel sources, which they can, then that would completely cripple Russia to turning gazprom into the next sberbank.

I'd imagine that out of all the things which terrify Putin, the EU switching off its reliance on their fuel to be the worst. I'd imagine he'd rather do anything short of having Moscow hydrogen bombed than risk losing that, which if he miscalculates on that also he could be removed from power for it maybe. Most likely his calculus was that "trust me the Germans won't do shit, they will continue buying and no problems" much the same he probably assured everybody "do not worry, the Americans and Europeans won't do shit, they'll give us usual 'deep concerns' and we'll occupy Ukraine in a week." The problem with being a despot is, eventually no one is supplying you with truly accurate information anymore because everyone is afraid to be the bearer of bad news. If Germany switches to other sources so they can no longer be extorted by Russia every winted it would well and truly fuck Russia because it's their sole remaining softpower avenue, and sadly an effective one which is used to manipulate whole of EU because the Germans and French sadly dominate it.
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No. 69647
>>69646
>and turn to other fuel sources, which they can
but can't afford (at least the lower third income class). Hence the quote from our former federal president
>freezing for freedom
>freezing for peace
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No. 69649 Kontra
>>69646
I'm not going to freeze and starve (or rather, I don't want to, I'm powerless to do anything) just because your midwit psychopath managerial class politicians thinks it's the "right thing" to do.
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No. 69652
>>69595
Oh, you're young and in college.
I should help push you into your first series of mental breakdowns, culminating in hopefully a true psychotic break from reality. It'll put hair on your chest. Hopefully you can start to see the lyrics in front of your eyes spelled out in Mandarin in between taking the Wect/Osti shitflinging at face value
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLsmh_otYs
You shoulls get drunk tonight with cooking sherry while wearing army helmet and smearing cigarette ash on your face shitposting loudly to take fuller effect
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No. 69654 Kontra
>>69630
>Gegenstandpunkt
Ach Ernst :3
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No. 69655
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>>69647
History always repeats itself.
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No. 69656 Kontra
>>69654
It's the rational and sober light house in this sea of disinformational darkness :DDD
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No. 69657
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>>69648
Americans don't spell it "oile" and we'd only ever use one r for murka, because why in hell would we type a longer word or acronym than is necessary? Nice sibboleth you got there. Also nice subsequent shitpost I can only imagine is one the same you use to ban evade on k*hl.

>>69649
You don't live under ghoulash Communism anymore so your alternative is freezing and starving whenever Russia wants you to, which is wonderful free market competition between two brands of Russian and American, or so I've been told.

>>69586
I've seen this shit too here and it just blows my mind. Like the first time I actually saw doublethink in starkest terms I was in college, and the person had no clue what came out of ger mouth until I carefully spelled out that contradiction for her. I'd concluded it worked partly on emotion coding certain words in such way as bydlo respond to them not by logically but by emotionally "thinking" a thing through, so rather than say, see drug and medication as two words, they see "drug" and "medication" as two different feelings. I think this was also the first time I discovered the magnitude of both how different from me others truly can be, and also how much apparently dumber even though they seem at first glance not low IQ. It's just a differently interpreting brain, which sociopaths somehow seemed to have learned how to hijack with a certain deftness and that is why they solely speak in the most outrageously emotional terms, because they want people solely to think on emotions. That way the subject may believe in complete schizophrenic word salad which made no sense from six separate angles, while to the individual itself they perceive no incongruency precisely because there is no actual internal contradiction emotionally.

So say you have Zelesky, and you call him a Nazi globohomo terrorist for Israel trying to genocid innocent Christian Russians with germ weapons. Because this word salad is entirely consistent on the emotional context of "corrupt politician is [all these bad] emotions he causes [bad emotions] and therefore we must have [insert good emotions] brave Russian troops to 'liberate' [Coda ameliorate previous bad emotions, solution to the introduced problem of negative emotions, return subject to baseline or high emotioned state]"

It is in this manner that, much like wordsalad spambot AIs or biorobots, the bydlo brain is thoroughly hijacked and completely unaware of a single word in its input/output being contradictory because it doesn't violate its own simplified internal rulesets. It's been my observation that this is the reason why all the NPCs from SJWs to vatniks to poltards are somehow able to feed themselves while maintaining the most asinine beliefs a human can possibly achieve. They in short do not care about the objective truth, because the sole thing they care about is the alleged "truth" of their feefees, which is also why they hate more than anything feeling "invalidated" and consider you insulting them or their beliefs a terroristic attack, while having no problem committing violence against others. In some sort of bizarre parasitic or symbiotic relationship, it somehow seems that the psychopath, the one who should have the absolute lowest emotional context outside of asspies and other burgers, have a peculiar deftness with hijacking them and making use of their internal systems, which is mainly I think because hacking their brains is so incredibly simple once you actually begin to understand what they are operating on. In other words, like any charlatan or conman, you basically just have to operate exclusively on a premise of feeling good/feeling bad I/O.
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No. 69658
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>>69655
>History always repeats itself.

Only if you are unwilling to change the ruling class.
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No. 69659 Kontra
>>69657
>It is in this manner that, much like wordsalad spambot AIs or biorobots, the bydlo brain is thoroughly hijacked and completely unaware of a single word in its input/output being contradictory because it doesn't violate its own simplified internal rulesets. It's been my observation that this is the reason why all the NPCs from SJWs to vatniks to poltards are somehow able to feed themselves while maintaining the most asinine beliefs a human can possibly achieve. They in short do not care about the objective truth, because the sole thing they care about is the alleged "truth" of their feefees, which is also why they hate more than anything feeling "invalidated" and consider you insulting them or their beliefs a terroristic attack, while having no problem committing violence against others. In some sort of bizarre parasitic or symbiotic relationship, it somehow seems that the psychopath, the one who should have the absolute lowest emotional context outside of asspies and other burgers, have a peculiar deftness with hijacking them and making use of their internal systems, which is mainly I think because hacking their brains is so incredibly simple once you actually begin to understand what they are operating on. In other words, like any charlatan or conman, you basically just have to operate exclusively on a premise of feeling good/feeling bad I/O.

Nigga, this is just very basic human psychology that's endured for millennia. Anything that perpetuates my existence = good; anything that threatens it = bad. This is why you see these endless logical fallacies, thought-terminating exercises and all sorts of bad faith argumentation done in any given debate about any topic.

Funny thing is, I mostly agree with your basic premise, but good God, the amount of times you keep up with these turgid essays must be exhausting.
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No. 69661 Kontra
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What i dislike about Schwab, his ideas and who's endorsing him - they propose this retarded idea of rent based economy.
The famous
>you will own nothing and be happy
So in my opinion if decoupling from this system is necessary in order to preserve the idea of private property for all, not just the rich - and it will cause a couple of wars in the process - it is worth it.
I don't want to rent all things, like cars for example. I want to own things. At the very least i want to have a choice and not being forced to choose something by some clique that lives in some swiss castles and giga mansions.
>but in russia it's exactly like that!!!!
no.
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No. 69664
>>69661
You are just a Putinbot!
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No. 69674
204 kB, 990 × 1280
>>69624
What are people around you saying about the war?
I've written about my experience in one of threads, but I don't know how representative is it because Russia is very unequal diverse country.
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No. 69676
>>69674
I'm not that Russianball, but...
  • my chief spits bile at Putin as usual (a pretty natural position for a small businessman, I'd say);
  • my girl is a Communist, so she obviously hates Imperialist wars;
  • my dear female friend (a really smart and educated one, she is) basically shares my point of view (unsurprisingly, given that she's also Christian and monitoring mass-media is her job);
  • two of my friends are simply jingoistic;
  • another two are mostly pro-peace but they still want it on our terms, basically.
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No. 69677
>>69676
> shares my point of view
Which is?
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No. 69678
Putin really shat the bed with this one. Why is it always the nationalists that ruin their own countries? Weird constant.
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No. 69680
>>69677
>Which is?
Basically that this war is an unnecessary and unjustifiable massive fraticide and the sooner it ends the better.
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No. 69681
>>69680
Ok, thanks for sharing.
Are you from big city? How old are these people? What are your full name and ID number?
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No. 69682
>>69680
>the sooner it ends the better.

Depends.

Can we in Europe go back to normal relations with Russia as before? Then end the war and pretend it never happened.

OR

Are we cut off from Russia and have to live as an underling of the USA? Burn the whole fucking World down! Go all out! Use all your nuke! Burn the mother fucker down! I'd rather get flashed out in nuclear fire than continue living under american imperialism.
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No. 69684 Kontra
>>69682
>I'd rather get flashed out in nuclear fire than continue living under american imperialism.
Unspeakable suffering under NATO-occupied governments, eastern Europeans would never understand.
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No. 69686 Kontra
>>69684
Ha, the following comes to my mind while reading your post.

In Germany (I suppose in other countries as well) you told young people that favor red politics to go across the border (nach drüben gehen), which was referring to the GDR. Today people say why don't you go to North Korea if you like red politics/communism so much.

To the schizo fella one can only say then go and settle down in Russia if it's that holy land of anti-americanism. They hold all values people like him believe in: masculinity, strong leader, ready to war, never showing weakness, anti-americanism etc. but being a weakling himself, he rather dies ina nuclear flash than move his ass from his comfy EU-NATO enabled chair once :DDD
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No. 69690
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Russians in Germany protesting against accepting Ukrainian refugees with soviet flags.
I have no idea why it works this way. Germans in Russia, on the opposite, are usual normal people.
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No. 69695 Kontra
>>69682
Don't you worry. To pay for increase costs due to limited military operations your neetbux will be the first that is cut. Not as glorious to die in a dirty diaper but the end result is the same.
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No. 69696
>>69684
>Unspeakable suffering under NATO-occupied governments, eastern Europeans would never understand.

They understand as soon as they come in contact with mandated multiculturalism and have to watch their own people go extinct. Have seen that again and again.

I'd rather have nuclear war than the diseased american world.
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No. 69697 Kontra
>>69696
>Mama, an der Ecke gibt es einen Dönermann

Why don't you stop using proxies, it has effeminating effects on you.
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No. 69698
>>69697
"In that moment, I wished for two things - a donner mit alle and a nuclear holocaust to release me from this unbearable pain."
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No. 69699
Russlanddeutsche are the only sane people of german origin left within Germany.

All the others are either drunk proles, who have given up or deranged millionaire's kiddies who never come in contact with multiculturalism and don't know about the impending collapse.
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No. 69700
What's the point of using VPN when this board normally has like 10 regular, easily recognizable posters?

It's obvious that it's still you.
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No. 69701
>>69558
>Jeez, Ukranians. What's wrong with you guys? Holly cow!
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No. 69702
>>69617
Are you sure that it's a right place to share your BBC fantasies? Better go back to kohlchan.
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No. 69703
>>69324
It's not as simple as it seems. Ukraine was let to leave USSR because they promised (and signed the agreement) that Ukraine will stay a neutral state for ever meaning that Ukraine will never ever join any military allay and will never ever have nuclear weapon.
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No. 69704
>>69703
You mean "Budapest Memorandum"? It was signed after Ukraine left USSR and there was nothing about alliances there.
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No. 69705
>>69681
>Are you from big city? How old are these people?
Sure. All middle-aged, more or less.
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No. 69707
>>69690
>I have no idea why it works this way.
It's ways easier to be a Russian "patriot" when you live in Germany (or the US, or Canada, whatever). Especially when your conscience towards your country isn't quite clear - you've emigrated at some point, after all.
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No. 69710
>>69657
>They in short do not care about the objective truth, because the sole thing they care about is the alleged "truth" of their feefees,
The left even made up a complete philosophy based on the notion that reality does not exist, only 'realities', in the plural form. Great excuse to believe in complete bullshit
>Well, that's just YOUR reality,
they will say
>MY reality is completely different
they will say
>maybe you should educate yourself and become more open and tolerant!

It allows them to believe in all kinds of irrational, counter-factual bullshit, knowingly, while being arrogant pricks about it. A stroke of genius, really.
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No. 69712
>>69707
>It's ways easier to be a Russian "patriot" when you live in Germany

Gross generalization ahead:
I think most Russian-Germans would be Russian Patriots in Russia, too.

They are sovoks in exile.
They have a hatred for Berlin's former gay mayor, such an embarrassment, so disgusting, etc...
They bring milk with vodka to work
They "carry out" when they can. For example, they bring a half-empty toolbox to the customer's installation. Then, they carry out what is produced inside.
With Russian immigration, Germany with introduced to the Gop-Stop.

Many of these people are just small-town Russians who happen to live in Germany because it seemed a good choice in the 1990s, when Russia was more fucked-up then usual. Of course they love Putin.
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No. 69713
>>69698
> a donner mit alle and a nuclear holocaust to release me from this unbearable pain.

:DDD mysterious German Soul

>>69699
While Russians and other ex sovoks especially the older ones tend to be racists, their kids often are in contact with other ethnicities.

>>69710
Not the right wing Carl Friedrich von Siemens Stiftung under Armin Mohler eyeballing with radical constructivism, right. The right wing was quick to adopt leftist epistemologies. Besdies, the notion of plural realities is not a left invention but a necessary process, ask Luhmann, who notably was not a leftist at all.
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No. 69714
>>69589
>There are already stories of British and American volunteers running away because the fucking Westoids never actually knew the other side can have planes too, and after ransacking Iraq and Afghanistan like the monsters they are, they just learned what it's like to endure an airstrike from an actual modern army.
As they say, when artillery and aviation come into play, infantry on the battlefield just dies, abruptly and terribly. The only thing is that they cannot be everywhere at the same time.
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No. 69715
>>69713
>>While Russians and other ex sovoks especially the older ones tend to be racists
Russian ethnic xenophobia normally has nothing to do with the concept of "race".
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No. 69716
>>69713
>Besdies, the notion of plural realities is not a left invention but a necessary process, ask Luhmann, who notably was not a leftist at all.

>necessary process
Necessary to whom or for what or for for what purpose? Or necessary in the sense of "historical necessity"?
Facts are not arbitrary. The mechanics of the world do not bow to wishful thinking. There are no multiple realities. You believing very hard in made-up bullshit does not change anything outside of your head.

>process
Yeah, let's just call it a "process", so we can pretend there are no people who introduced the idea for their own reasons. Maybe someone's notions were in conflict with overwhelming evidence.

>Luhmann
Why would I even care who that was? Why such an obsession with name-dropping? As if an argument by authority was particularly powerful instead of particularly weak.
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No. 69717 Kontra
>>69715
racism is to be understood as ethnic xenophobia.
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No. 69718
>>69716
>There are no multiple realities

Obviously, there are, not in a system though that wishes to find the truth, the mechanics of the world works fine indeed.

> let's just call it a "process", so we can pretend there are no people who introduced the idea for their own reasons

People introduced it, think of a discourse system that spans several decades if not centuries. At the beginning of the 20th century in physics, language and history crisis was going on, making common conceptions of reality instable. There were no leftists involved in this, but at least since then, the reality was discussed as multiple.
We wouldn't discuss it, if no multiple realities would exist. THis is thought functional, not in the realm of true/false. Just in case you didn't notice the difference in our approach.

>Why would I even care who that was?

Bc you went know-it-all hurr durr leftists, but Luhmann wasn't a leftist (people tendedd to brand him as conservative) yet a quite famous in Germany and somebody who was prone to radical constructivism. This is not so much an argument of authority as a note that this is not a solely eftist enterprise.
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No. 69719
>>69678
So Germany has been ruled by nationalists for the past 20ish years? Huh, the more you know.
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No. 69720
>>69717
>>racism is to be understood as ethnic xenophobia.
Frankly, it's high time to abandon the English term "racism" whatsoever, since it's become to mean nearly anything. A couple of days ago my comments on an English forum were removed as "racist" because I was merely discussing physical anthropology. As a Russian acquaitance of mine has put it out (exaggerating it, obviously, but still), "a latent racist simply cannot imagine other reasons to consider and discuss physical anthropology but for racial discrimination, declaring unter- and ubermenschen etc." I'm still unsure how I should even react. The catch is that mainstream Western science has (politically conveniently) abandoned the concept of race whatsoever, but the Russian antropological school with its population approach obviously disagrees.
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No. 69721 Kontra
>>69720
The term physical anthropology could just mean biologism, which I think buys into biological race and biological determinism. Biological determinism might always include the notion of race. I don't know exactly.
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No. 69722 Kontra
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No. 69723
>>69674
I am not a slav, so my social environment is not really representative. Most people want it to end as soon as possible and pissed of by falling life quality. Still, they support an occupation secretly, not because they hate ukrainians or support r*ssia, but because they pro-soviet and want to return post-soviet territories because muh factories and to stop killing and destruction.
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No. 69728
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>>69721
>>The term physical anthropology could just mean biologism
Sometimes physical anthropology is just physical anthropology.
Anyway, any mention of racial classification is essentially racism now. Just fabulous.
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No. 69745 Kontra
>>69728
Well you can comapre what is subsumed under both terms and look for differences and similarities. Language does not signify things out there is entity that can be named, even less when it is abstract as in the description of a discipline.

I'm puzzled tbh that classifying human beings into races is not a necessary step to racism to you though, in fact racism builts on this classification, otherwise, it wouldn't be racism. Racism builts on the claim that discrete races or ethnicities exist.
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No. 69749
>>69745
>I'm puzzled tbh that classifying human beings into races is not a necessary step to racism to you though
It is, but then that logic gets somehow reversed and racism "becomes a necessary step" for racial classifications. Makes as much sense as calling a man who has lighted a fire an arsonist.
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No. 69750
>>69745
>Racism builts on the claim that discrete races or ethnicities exist.
Race =/= ethnicity though and while you can acknowledge that "races" don't exist (at most merely "subspecies" if you want to call it that, albeit extremely imprecise, but that whole concept of "europids" and "negroids" and such is built upon 19th century anthropology shenanigans in the first place), you can acknowledge the existence of ethnicities, can't you?
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No. 69763
>>69750
> you can acknowledge the existence of ethnicities, can't you?

Yeah, but might then be a matter of discreteness and the essentialism that is put forward with it that turns on the question of "racism"
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No. 69783
>>69750
>but that whole concept of "europids" and "negroids" and such is built upon 19th century anthropology shenanigans
Partly, yes. Many of those are still preserved simply for the sake of convenience, though.