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No. 69724 Systemkontra
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No. 69725
>BAGHDAD — A dozen ballistic missiles from Iran struck the northern Iraqi city of Irbil early Sunday, officials said, falling near a U.S. Consulate and television news agency and drawing sharp condemnation from the Iraqi and U.S. capitals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/12/irbil-attack-iraq/

Kinda smells like Kurds in northern Iran, but could be more.
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No. 69726 Kontra
>>69725
This is a thread about Ukraine...
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No. 69727
>>69726
I believe it is related. Some insurgents in Iraq trying to bank on the conflict.

The threat of WWIII is real afterall.
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No. 69729 Kontra
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>>69726
It's the same script as other Russian propaganda outlets. I've already read the next few posts, it's about how the American empire is collapsing on all fronts.
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No. 69730 Kontra
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>>69729
Since I'm already shitting up the board, I'll take this opportunity to ask a question - why is Russian propaganda so self-victimizing?
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No. 69731
>>69730
I like it. Puts the self pity propaganda of a certain other group in perspective.
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No. 69732 Kontra
>>69731
Wow, a French poster :DD
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No. 69733
>>69732
It'd be stupid to not use a proxy in this environment, wouldn't it?

The children in my nephew's school are already playing "Hang Putin" on the school playground and the teachers let them proceed.

Just a month ago a teacher sent a letter to his parents, framing him as a racist, for telling a syrian child he had a fight with to go back where he came from.

The environment is drastically changing right now and the US aligned forces are increasing their aggression towards non-believers.
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No. 69734 Kontra
>>69733
In the end western elite's ambitions will only make lives of the common people worse across the entire planet. Not just us, but common europeans and americans too. They could just ignore the Ukraine and simply express concern about it. But their ego won't let them do it.
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No. 69735 Kontra
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It's getting too tiresome to find any level-headed and interesting posts between the schizo posts. I seriously hope we'll hear from the Ukrainian Ernst again some day. That's it for me.
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No. 69736
>>69734
In the end Russia's elite's ambitions will only make lives of the common people worse across the entire planet. Not just us, but common Russian and americans too. They could just ignore the Ukraine and simply express concern about it. But their ego won't let them do it.
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No. 69740 Kontra
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No. 69743
>>69742
Luckily most of those who've filmed it will be soon dead too.
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No. 69744
>>69740
Makes me think.
I've read the Gegenstandpunkt article now and it is first of all anti-american, since the GSP is anti-imperialist. There is a sort of defendence of Russia, as the NATO ignored old contracts and (from a sovereign perspective) security concerns. So the US strategy was to pin Russia against the wall and let it play the role of the escalator in a conflict that is about the existence of being a global or strategic power. The US want to ruin Russia's existence as political and strategic power since they don't accept its military potential (its economic is nothing, 1/10 of the US BIP according to the article) and the fact that this contests the US global hegemony and the order of free trade with liberal-capitalist values. Russia on the other hand struggles for existence of power because that is what nation-states do in this world. The competition of nations. As I understand the article it is a critic of US imperialsm that says the Russians left options for a non violent solution that was ignored by the NATO. I don't think this is praise of Putin or the invasion, it is just presented as the consequence of US imperialism. On the other hand while Russia seems to sit on the weaker site it can be framed as an underdog, I don't think that Putin wouldn't have liked a former SU at some point under his regiment as well. Kasachztan is a good example for holding on to former soviet countries tightly to sustain the/a power status as well, surely it is not comparable to the influence of US power but I don't see why people should benefit from a Russian led power anymore than US, surely if one is a hegemon, the global education is easier. But for the people either Russia or the US don't seem to bring any gain, as it is both capitalist economy, neither government has anything done what is remotely "in the interest of the people"

>>69733
>It'd be stupid to not use a proxy in this environment, wouldn't it?

You have been banned, that is why. Your opinions on the internet are not a threat do anyone, you are quite paranoid.

>Just a month ago a teacher sent a letter to his parents, framing him as a racist, for telling a syrian child he had a fight with to go back where he came from.

Well, yeah, your worldview where it is ok to be xenophobic is not accepted anymore by public institutions and a certain amount of people, bad luck. It would be wishful thinking to think that there is no xenophobia in Germany anymore besides people like you though.

You are indeed right, EU patriotism and cooperation with the US are a thing. And contrary to your past claims that Putin will raid Europe, I think nothing of that sort will happen. The NATO under US lead has built up a modern force that operates under certain strategic conceptions, regardless if the Bundeswehr cries about missing funds for basic things.
I don't have to support that war from a western perspective without loving Putin, and that is your problem, you hold right wing/conservatives believes and it seems like there are only two alternatives to you. For me there are more options possible.

Anyway, the finn is right. You are not getting banned enough and will tire out and shit up this board, I think I'm out more or less as well, hopefully the board gets not contaminated further beyond this thread..
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No. 69746 Kontra
>>69744
>security concerns
I keep hearing this term, but what exactly do those "security concerns" entail in the first place?
Is Russia scared of Finland invading? Of Latvian aggressions?
What about the security concerns of those countries?
Why is victim blaming such a prevalent notion in Germany? Or better, why do people always go out of their way to make excuses for perpetrators? Your shitty childhood doesn't excuse you raping and killing people and it doesn't help your victims in the slightest.

This is just 19th century increase-clay imperialism and anyone who is an actual socialist should oppose it, no matter who does it. Condeming US imperialism while not condemning russian imperialism is just extremely hypocritical.
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No. 69747
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>>69744
>Russia on the other hand struggles for existence of power because that is what nation-states do in this world. The competition of nations.
There is a danger with turning specific actions into an abstract of 'national desires', 'geopolitical interests' and so on. As if there was a mathematical equation that would necessary lead to an Ukrainian civilian getting fucked by artillery. Imagine an SS officer taking a jewish-bolshevik saboteur out back but, this time, taking time to explain to him that all of this is beyond his control, it's Sonderweg, it's dialectics in motion, it's greater processes beyond anyone's control - there's a direct connection between all of this and the failure of the 1848 Revolutions, but for now, just face the wall.
Ultimately all these things are still very much decided by people. There's no set in stone reason as to why any country must do what it does. Putin's interests aren't to be misidentified with Russia's interests. Miscalculation isn't historical necessity, the personal isn't the national.
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No. 69748
>>69746
>>Is Russia scared of Finland invading? Of Latvian aggressions?
Russia is scared of a NATO (~US) invasion - or, rather, a preemptive strike. It's always been.
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No. 69751
>>69746
Russian security concerns as I have paraphrased from the article entail it being surrounded by western military forces that are perceived as a threat of existence to Russia as national state and its government.

We never know what would have happened if the Baltics etc did not join NATO, but to think that Putin might have not excelled imperalism of his own if every country stayed neutral as buffer zone is doubtful, given that it is a power of certain relevance as well. That is the weakness of the GSp article I think, to present Russian diplomatic offers as already followed and lived without any "malign" thoughts, if just accepted
I'd advise you to read the article yourself and make up a judgement of your own, I'm not supporting the war of Putin, nor do I think the US/EU/NATO have nothing to do with this, both parties have their interests in being a power and to expand that power over lesser powers.

>>69747
> There's no set in stone reason as to why any country must do what it does.

Right, but I never said it is carved in stone, there was a decision to be made and Putin as head of government chose to wage war because maybe he thought there is no different way to show it's serious about what it says. Still, decisions still are made under conditions and these are not shaped by the people deciding alone.

>Putin's interests aren't to be misidentified with Russia's interests.

What is Russias interest? the interest of the people? Sure, but from a standpoint of political power its relevancy this might look quite different. Russians might not be interested in being a relevant power on a global scale or they are. The US surely is interested in this. Keep in mind I'm referring to the article of the Gegenstandpunkt, orthodox, anti-state marxist. The US as government and nation state is interested in being a global super power as this relevant to their GDP simply said, in other words, being a global super power in a capitalist free market world order secures a good position in capital accumulation and appropriation of resources, energy and food, that is necessary to further accumulate capital (I'm referring here to Jason Moores book Capitalism in the Web of Life) and helps in dictating others to do the same but in favorable conditions to the US. Formal rules and system will probably never be sufficient to grasp the concrete, but it can help and it definitely exercises a force if its own, mathematical equations are somehow related to the shifting of matter, its movement, obviously the last centuries are giving a good proof of how things changed with the help of formalization/abstraction. Relations are always abstract, formal and thus any political theory will be to a certain extent as well. Maths is not concrete matter, but it helps in working with it and making claims on how it works.
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No. 69752 Kontra
>>69747
>the personal isn't the national

I think nationalists would disagree (or do I misunderstood you here?)
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No. 69753 Kontra
So with all this talk about russian nationalism, what about ukrainian nationalism?
Isn't that the whole underlying reason why this war is fought like it is? Ukrainians wanting a nation of their own and not getting holodomor'd all the time?
That this fierce resistance the russians are facing is a direct result of the ukrainians' strong national sense?
How to deal with that?
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No. 69755
>>69754
It's your choice to believe what you want. Problem is, Russia funded muslim extremists in the Ukraine are not at all shy about their ideology.

How ironic! Muslims controlled and funded by communist turned capitalist, rip a country apart approved by Russia. It's the european version of ISIS and they are now dispersing all over Europe with the refugees.
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No. 69757
Sure one is free to believe whatever one wants, but if the belief is irrational (based on an arbitrarily selected list of facts, contains logical fallacies etc.) one must be held at least morally responsible for that.
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No. 69758
>>69754
>>69756
Forgot your proxy?
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No. 69760
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>>69759
I admire your time and dedication.
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No. 69761 Kontra
>>69753
The GSP article says so for instance. But the fierce resistance might not only be due to actively built nationalism over the years, but also weapons delivered to Ukraine and Ukraine army training and trained with NATO people before, according to the article. The game stays, and it is played by the rulebook, sadly.
Interestingly the article mentioned as the schizo is blowing up, that ukraine right wingers were funded and supported by the US as well. I think it is not new that the US backs a group in country, Operation Gladio would be on example were right wing nationalists were funded by the NATO. Though, Russia supported Russophiles in the eastern Ukraine. But one has to understand that the GSp would see the nationalism as a poison and outcome of capitalism, which needs the state to operate and the state needs nationalistic ideologies to function itself. We Vs. Them -> competition in the game of accumulation on a national level.
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No. 69764
>>69751
>>69752
In personal not being the national, I mean only the interests of the rulers of Russia not being a direct result of them being at the helm of Russia. If the principle behind this war is that of a small victorious war, then it is not to serve the nation, but to serve the leadership. There would be a set of issues that would be shared between practically any leadership of Russia - for example, the conclusion of Nord Stream. It's fair to assume that save for a revolution that overhauls practically all economic systems, Nord Stream II being complete would be in the interests of whoever is ruling Russia, no matter his personal or political tendencies. However, this might not be the case in a plethora of other issues.

On the specific effects of personal decisions in this process, Russian personal rule skews the relationship between the national interest and ruler's interest. In Russo-Ukrainian relations, the interests of the Kremlin in regards to its domestic situation colors the entirety of their actions towards neighbor since 2014. For primarily domestic reasons and primarily through their own actions, since Euromaidan the Russian government finds itself in an antagonistic relationship with the Ukraine. It's unclear that the invasion itself would have been carried out had they understood what they do now. It's entirely possible that this entire project would have been scrapped were it not for the belief that this special shelling operation could have been wrapped up by simply toppling the government within less than a couple of weeks.

There are simply too many variables to create such a comprehensive and neat detached analysis of the abstract.
>As I understand the article it is a critic of US imperialsm that says the Russians left options for a non violent solution that was ignored by the NATO. I don't think this is praise of Putin or the invasion, it is just presented as the consequence of US imperialism.
Another interesting aspect about the abstract, is that it is possible to twist narratives however one sees fit. One could just as easily make the case that Russia proposed several options for a non violent solution to the Ukraine itself, but these solutions were left unanswered by Ukrainian irredentism. When it comes to such a structural question as global security alliance systems, one can shape and twist the current happenings into whatever form he sees fit.
  • Is this just a structural issue relating to the collapse of the Soviet Union? Are we just witnessing the inevitable ironing out of all the various questions left unanswered in 1991?
  • What role does waning of the American unipolar world play into this? Should have NATO expansionism been lessened? What structural pressures pushed the Russian response against this 'besieging' by American-led forces? Could have NATO expansionism itself even been halted or was it pushed by dialectical pressures from its own contradictions?
  • Are the geographical conditions of Europe - specifically the great European plain, something that predicted the inevitability of this conflict? What about the geopolitical realities of the oil trade?
  • The role of energy production, energy independence and the climate crisis in this conflict? Agriculture and the realities of an inter-connected world, how do the systems we create fit into this?
In the end, all of this questions are more than mere detached analysis, especially when argued for a greater political goal. Perhaps by discussing all of these realities and complex systems, we can twist and turn them around so much that we forget that the Russian tsar ordered a shelling campaign against Ukrainian cities in a war that is equal parts brutal and retarded.
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No. 69766
>>69751
> We never know what would have happened if the Baltics etc did not join NATO
  1. Putin would use any another excuse except "NATO expansion" to invade his neighbors. From "genocide of rusophones" to "bird-transmitted corona".
  2. One of these neighbors could be baltics states.
You are like kids, seriously.
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No. 69767
>>69744
>Well, yeah, your worldview where it is ok to be xenophobic is not accepted anymore by public institutions and a certain amount of people, bad luck. It would be wishful thinking to think that there is no xenophobia in Germany anymore besides people like you though.

I enjoy exposing the cognitive dissonance of Atlantikbrücken-Robotern like you a lot and your behaviour, blocking, banning and removing of comments is quite good enough.

It's all just fun in the end.

We live in a deranged, psychotic anglicised world that is visibly rotting away. Your paradise is poisoning itself with its own exhaust. You don't have to do much to contribute to the collapse. Just a little too slow for my taste. Needs to gain a little more speed.
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No. 69768 Kontra
>>69767
I don't think you know what you are talking about, stop using words you don't understand. Your judgements about me and my positions are caught up in a dead end thinking that fails to adequately capture my position, it basically doesn't show up in your thinking, maybe next time.
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No. 69769 Kontra
>>69766
This. He only needs some plausible excuse for the domestic audience and retards outside Russia who can be told anything by just putting Obama, Vaccine, Chem trails in the same sentence. Even he knows every excuse for going into Georgia and Ukraine is bullshit.
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No. 69770
>>69768
uwu!

My entire stance has been shaped by being forced to live around people like you. Truly dystopian, constantly having to hide what you think because you deranged little monsters get elevated by american power and money. Even your attempts at damage control seem more and more desperate.

This conflict could really be it and all I have to do is sprinkle a little salt here and there and watch the collapse of your degenerate world.

How much public attention did the Yellow Wests get internationally? They had coppers shoot them and almost nothing in our media. What will happen when shit hits the fan here?

The Ukraine will fall. It will be gone as a food producer this year. This alone is a pwoder keg.

On top of that millions of ukrainian refugees. The next wave will be the bloodied ukrainian soldiers fleeing. A lot of those will bring their guns with them.

This will be exciting times to see how your little Atlinkbrücken horrorland handles the situation.
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No. 69772
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>>69746
>I keep hearing this term, but what exactly do those "security concerns" entail in the first place?

I will try not to ramble too much.

John Maersheimer and others commonly make the argument of geography.
European Russia is located on the Eastern European plain, which extents from the Netherlands to the Urals. See the attached map from Wikipedia. The plain borders the Carpathian mountains on the western border of Ukraine, which forms a natural border. The eastern border of Ukraine is no natural border.
The European plain is a wide open alley-way for invading enemy armies, which can make huge advances in short time. It has been used as such, for example, by the Teutonic knights and the Swedes in 13th century, by the Swedes in 1708, by the French and their Confederates in 1812 and most recently by the Germans in 1941, when the Wehrmacht advanced at a pace of more than 100km a week, for two months straight.
A short extend of a land-front across the European plain is across Germany, right through the Harz-Mountains and the other German mountain ranges, and on the Swedish-Finish-Border, where the coastal plain is permafrost/swamp, bordering the Scandes, cut by wide streams.
Stalin had managed to put the western border of his soviet empire at this location in Germany and had managed to neutralize Finland, which had been party of Russia from 1812-1918.

Apart from military means, Russia also thought to expand westwards by diplomatic means, to the detriment of Poland, by the Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pact and the Partitions of Poland. These cooperation with Germany, trying to secure the Western flank by allying with Germany, can also be seen in the 1812 Tauroggen convention in which Prussia allied with Russia against Napoleon and in North Stream I and North Stream II-Pipelines. The Stalin-Note of 1952, offering neutrality to re-united Germany, may be seen in a similar light. On the other hand, Russia traditionally views Alliances of Germany and other Powers as a direct threat. In the popular television series "17 instances of Spring", the iconic hero Stierlitz is a soviet agent working hard to prevent a German-American alliance. The series was heavily influenced by former head of KGB Yuri Andropov. It first aired in 1973, when a 21 year-old Vladimir Putin was a law student.

So, at the moment, Russia's security concerns are violated in the harshest way possible.
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No. 69773 Kontra
>>69770
> Truly dystopian, constantly having to hide what you think
Then come to Russia, it's full freedom of speech here.
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No. 69775 Kontra
>>69766
Mostly this.
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No. 69776
>>69766
Read he next sentence and it should have cleared up more.

>>69764
I want to answer this, maybe later, maybe never. But atm I cannot make the post I want to make given the time I have.
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No. 69778
>>69772
The geography argument is almost completely irrelevant in times of airborne paratroopers, cruise missiles, fighter jets, aircraft carriers and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

A fast and decisive incorporation of Moscow into the european economy, as Germany was working on, would have prevented this conflict.

The decision to escalate this conflict, to create a division between Russia and Europe is entirely political and has nothing to do with geography. This is about protecting the american empire. The USAs position as the leader of the so called "West".

We won't get a strong European Union with an allied, strong and healthy Russia. We are all cementing our positions as vassals to the Anglosphere and we are likely doing so for centuries. The European Union will probably not survive the turmoil that is about to come down on us.
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No. 69779
>>69766
>Putin would use any another excuse except "NATO expansion" to invade his neighbors.
Or not. Now you definitely won't know for sure.
And yes, Putin may be delusional about Ukraine, but to invade the Baltic states one must be positively insane, NATO or not. Their separation from the USSR is very recent history and rather remarkable.

I'm inclined to believe that the expected NATO expansion into Ukraine was more an informational pretext than an actual leading concern. Clearly anti-Russian policy of Ukraine in general was a major factor, though. I mean, look at Georgia, which also has parts of its territory occupied by Russian proxies, - and still is policies towards Russia are surprisingly neutral. Same for Moldavia. Ukraine, however, got reckless and paid for that. That, obviously, doesn't justify the Russian invasion, but it's definitely one of the reasons.
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No. 69780
>>69764
>Is this just a structural issue relating to the collapse of the Soviet Union? Are we just witnessing the inevitable ironing out of all the various questions left unanswered in 1991?
Not him, but I'll answer, anyway.

From a certain point of view, the questions have been answered. Poland, for example, used the opportunity to rid themselves of Russian hegemony, and the Poles want to stay rid of Russia.

From another point of view, the questions will be answered once Russia covers a sufficient portion of the map to make Sovoks feel like the historic defeat of 1991 has been undone and RUSSIA STRONK.
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No. 69787
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>>69779
Ukraine got reckless when Zelensky and a bunch of other politicians mentioned nuclear weapons in official statements and interviews.
This is an equivalent of some guy threatening to blow up or shoot up a school on social media or in public.
It's irrelevant whether he's serious or not about his intentions - he will probably get arrested anyway and fined for such "jokes".
In Ukrainian case it's even worse because there are nuclear power plants in the Ukraine so it is theoretically POSSIBLE for them to make a dirty bomb.
Now when politicians say stupid shit like "we should think about our own nuclear weapons program" - they are pretty much asking to get slapped.
I think ukrainians have no one to blame but their politicians and oligarchs.
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No. 69791
>>69787
>>In Ukrainian case it's even worse because there are nuclear power plants in the Ukraine so it is theoretically POSSIBLE for them to make a dirty bomb.
A dirty bomb isn't a nuclear weapon. Zelensky was bluffing, of course, Ukraine cannot create even a basic nuclear device alone, and the US can easily block any access to the relevant equipment and materials. Let alone it would demand exorbitant investments.

Still, it was only the highest point in a long chain of an openly anti-Russian general rhetorics. And not only rhetorics - there were Ukrainian sanctions against many large Russian companies, and I bet those didn't like the lost profits at all.
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No. 69795 Kontra
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>The decision to escalate this conflict, to create a division between Russia and Europe is entirely political and has nothing to do with geography. This is about protecting the american empire. The USAs position as the leader of the so called "West".
Sounds like America invaded the Ukraine.
It's tragic that our home is taken over by people that should be using their efforts in places with some more people. The Finn is right, all to do is hope the Ukraine Ernst is alright.
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No. 69797 Kontra
>>69795
>Sounds like America invaded the Ukraine.
back in 2013-2014. Maidan is the project of the old post cold war deep state which is about to be replaced by the new younger people. Possibly violently.
In the long run it will be better for all americans if their ruling elite is replaced. Their current guys are as braindead as soviet leadership in the late 80s.

Oh how tables have turned. They thought that getting rid of the soviet union will save them, but ultimately it was the biggest mistake they have ever made in their lives. Aside from the internet.
Right now the US is experiencing it's own perestroika and glasnost just in a much weirder manner. Biden is america's Gorbachev and Trump is their Yeltsin.
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No. 69799
>>69787
> Excuse №243: actually it's about nuclear weapons.
Zelensky mentioned Budapest memorandum at 19-th of February, and Russia's plan of invasion was known long before.
Also, Putin mentioned nukes in his rhetoric multiple times. Would you call him "equivalent of some guy threatening to blow up or shoot up a school on social media or in public"? Yes or no?

I'm always eager to work for my motherland, so I propose Russian propagandists two more excuses:
First. This war is not just about "demilitarization" or "denazification", but about "decarbonization" of Ukraine. Every Ukrainian civilian as well as Russian conscript produces a lot of CO2 during his life, therefore Putin fights for our planet and future of humanity.
Second. Hohols dare to claim that borsh is Ukrainian dish and there are no peaceful ways to convince them overwise. We must protect our cultural heritage.
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No. 69801
>>69795
I can deepL you the summery of the article from the GSP that is about US imperialism. It's more coherent version than the schizo dribble. Without justifying war crimes and the blood shedding in Ukraine, one has to consider that the US/EU/NATO have been part of this development. Ukraine alone is not the concern of Russia, nor are is US/EU/NATO solely interested in Ukraine as state in itself.

>III. The power struggle escalates

>It does not take the Russian leadership long to realize that its attempt to wring from the United States the treaty-secured recognition of its existence as a major nuclear power in an ultimate diplomatic act - by threatening war - has failed. It faces the alternative of either resigning itself to the installed existential threat and subordinating itself to the world power or of forcibly obtaining the refused respect; as its responsibility for a great nation dictates: It moves from threat to open war, invades Ukraine to enforce its "red lines" by force and compel the other side to recognize its strategic interests.

>It takes this decision knowing what oppressive scenario has been built against it, that is, what is in store for it. In explaining his decision to occupy the neighboring state, Putin explicitly refers to the threatened sanctions that will be devastating for Russia; he tells his citizens that it will be tough for them and their country. And he points out in this statement that time is pressing, because Russia has to fear that the means of power it still has at its disposal today will possibly be strategically devalued more and more in the foreseeable future by the American rearmament program. With both, he makes clear that for Russia it is about much more than Ukraine, namely about a question of existence as a respected great power, in which there is no alternative for Russia.

>Although he also combines the decision to invade with the question of whether the other side might not give in after all by announcing his limited war goal in Ukraine, its 'demilitarization' and 'neutralization', by opening the campaign he also accepts the prospect of unforeseeable, devastating consequences that Russia cannot control. For - if he should succeed at all in achieving this limited goal in Ukraine - what he wants to achieve in this case, namely a turnaround in the relationship with the world power USA and NATO, i.e. to force the other side by means of the Russian transition to military enforcement in Ukraine to abandon its efforts to dismantle Russian power, cannot be achieved at all in this limited case.

>2 The American government responds to this militant transition in its own way as a superior world power. It is not only completely unimpressed and miles away from letting itself be wrested by war into an arrangement that even somehow takes Russian interests into account - on the contrary, it is prepared down to the last detail to turn the Kremlin's escalation into a catastrophe of unimagined dimensions for Russia.

>Biden is literally bragging that he has known the calculations of the other side for months - no wonder, it is he who maneuvered Russia into its dilemma - to have prepared a whole series of new, devastating counter-war measures for the anticipated action of the Kremlin and to be able to use them after his sovereign decision. Firstly, the United States and its allies are ensuring that the campaign becomes the bloody fiasco that was predicted for the Russian army by supplying more and more "lethal" equipment to the Ukrainian theater of war after the Russian invasion - in the meantime, even fighter jets are being discussed. Second, Biden's war alliance is increasing military power against Russia, and weapons and troops are being moved to the Russian border on a broad front. Third, economic sanctions are adopted, which within days have a ruinous effect on the Russian economy: devalue the ruble, destroy the capital of large state-owned enterprises such as Gazprom, deprive Russian sovereign wealth funds and the National Bank of access to billions of dollars of assets held in Western banks and central banks, cut them off from any transaction in dollars, i.e., expropriate them. [45]

>Fourthly, for all this, in principle the whole world is being positioned against Russia as a world war united front, which militarily, diplomatically and on the field of an unleashed economic war announces a crushing defeat to Russia.

>For the American world power and its allies, this is an attack on the world order - just as fundamentally as Russia is concerned with its self-assertion - a questioning of its world dominance, practically put into action by a power which is capable of this questioning on the basis of its military potential and therefore represents an intolerable barrier for America which must be removed at all costs.

>For both sides, the substance of what they are and claim to be as nations is at stake here: for the one, its status as a great power and authoritative subject in the world of states; for the other, its unrestricted world domination. The positions that clash there are irreconcilable. They do not tolerate any relativization, because any relativization would be tantamount to an abandonment of the standpoint. For both sides, therefore, the assertion of one's own point of view has the quality of an existential question that must be brought to a decision. And so they go at each other. Both sides make the transition from deterrence into a confrontation in which both escalate the use of their means of violence in order to force the other to give in. They do this in the knowledge of the means of power that the other side has at its disposal and in the firm determination to maintain and exercise escalation dominance in this confrontation, i.e. to respond to every escalation by the other side with a further escalation. The difference is that it is the Russian state power, which has been put on the strategic defensive in this struggle, that has made the transition to the military offensive and is faced with the bad alternative of "withdrawal or further escalation"; while the superior American side in its escalation - still - retains the freedom to decide on the transition to direct military confrontation according to its own calculations, i.e. also: to refrain from its own escalation steps without any loss of power, which always only means: to postpone them. Or to go strategically 'into advance'...

>Ukraine is the first battlefield for this.
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No. 69802
>>69795
>Sounds like America invaded the Ukraine.

The way this now played out is sad but the attack is understandable.

If the USA started developing bioweapons in Poland, the Poles started little Neonazi armies, talke about getting nukes and the possibility of ballistic missiles at the border to Germany, Germany would also intervene.
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No. 69803
>>69797
>Biden is america's Gorbachev

Gorbi is a good guy. The whole thing could have gone down much bloodier and more destructive than it did.
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No. 69804
>War in Ukraine #4
>#4
Well, at least the discussion's active. Would you mind me applying for asylum from the place one does not speak of? Too many Putin cocksuckers over there, they'll ban you in an instant if you say anything even remotely pro-Western or anti-Russian. It's no secret that they were reactionary to the core, they always were, but I didn't realise they were a fucking fifth column.
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No. 69806
>>69804
>I didn't realize they are the fifth column
That much was obvious when /b/ started ... shilling, for lack of a better word, for AfD in 2013, which is basically the Putin-Party of Germany.

>>69801
>one has to consider that the US/EU/NATO have been part of this development.
I think this point of view might be due to the superstition of the pigeon. "I did X, then Y happened, so X must have caused Y." Wrong. Correlation is not causation.

Take a look at Russia, the state of its affairs and what how it is doing. We have an autocratic leader with a secret police quelling internal dissent. Russia is suspicious of foreigners and weary of cultural influences. The wealth of the country runs through the hands of a few individuals residing in Moscow and St. Petersburg, who are immensely wealthy. Most of the population is poor, at least poor compared to average Europeans. There is some effort going on to integrate some other nation(s) into Russia, be it called "Russian World" or "Panslavism" or whatever.

As far as I can tell, this is the historical norm for Russia, not an abnormality. This is how Russia has been since forever, basically.
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No. 69807 Kontra
>>69803
I still have trouble processing how radical the changes on the west are. At this point it's undergoing full blown transformation into this pseudo-socialist system and it seems like they want to make it completely irreversable, like holy shit.
I can't stress enough that NOTHING is happening in Russia right now besides panic buying. There are some anti-war protests but they really are miniscule.
I mean for you guys it might look like Russia is isolating itself again. But for us the picture is the opposite.

I swear i'm not a putinbot it's just the news are really shocking. What the fuck Putin just did?
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No. 69809
>>69807
>But for us the picture is the opposite.
Speak for yourself.
Also, what are these "radical changes"? Be more specific.
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No. 69810 Kontra
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>>69809
Just read Schwab's book or at least it's analysis somewhere, it's about rent based economy, which is what they're trying to implement right now.
to put it simply:
>by 2030 people will rent everything - bycycles, computers, cellphones, apartments, cars
>drop dependence on oil (guess why)
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No. 69811
>>69806
>Correlation is not causation.

You seem to miss the part where reasons are given why the US/NATO is part of that development as in playing a causal role, having an effect on a situation. I said earlier that I think the weakness of the GSP analysis is that they seem to imply that Russia won't have interests in expansion/imperialism when NATO wouldn't expand itself or that Russia would try nothing that is against contracts at all. This means I acknowledged there is a Russian interest in expanding power beyond its borders. However, a Russian desire for expansionism/imperialism doesn't mean there is no NATO/US expansionism or imperialism going on, because as the article can detail, there is. As mentioned many times before, both NATO/US and Russia have an interest in controlling power over others that are not part of their official territorial borders, which is what Großmächte do, that is the definition: they use their economic or military (or both) power to regulate others (states or more detailed individual arrangements, you name it).
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No. 69813 Kontra
>>69811
>Großmächte
*great powers
Fugging Germans, by Allah I will begin randomly write words in my native language too.
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No. 69819
>>69813
The Commie-German-ball does that because he cannot be arsed to use a dictionary. We have seen that many times.

>>69811
Your brain on Marxism, where everyone is like you
>Calculating
>Hungry for power
>Murderous beyond believe
>Seeking material gain more than anything
and everything else is somehow nonexistent, irrelevant, equivalent and interchangeable.

The question is not whether this war is or is not
>In the Russian interest
It is just what the Russian nation and the men who lead it feel is the right thing to do. Like Germany foregoing nuclear power and transitioning to green energy, or Hitler gassing Jews. Don't pretend such decisions are based on rational analysis, they are not.
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No. 69820
>>69806
>That much was obvious when /b/ started ... shilling, for lack of a better word, for AfD in 2013, which is basically the Putin-Party of Germany.
In 2013, the AfD was merely some kind of FDP 2.0, wasn't Lucke even still their lead back then? Then they (the established parties) tried to pull the same shit they did with the Pirate party by introducing destructive elements from outside. Sadly that was right when the refugee crisis began, so their plan backfired and the now specifically rightwing AfD gained lots of traction.
But yeah, it was certainly around the refugee crisis when the cancer started to really grow on /b/, and it was certainly also a matter of false tolerance of letting these people reign free, with results known.
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No. 69821 Kontra
>>69819
>It is just what the Russian nation and the men who lead it feel is the right thing to do. Like Germany foregoing nuclear power and transitioning to green energy, or Hitler gassing Jews. Don't pretend such decisions are based on rational analysis, they are not.

Obviously, there was a choice to make in the end that does not rest on mathematical equations, one will think about that choice before and analyze the situation, though. If Putin used game theory or not is not known, but you don't need game theory to think about what the situation is like. While the article gives reasons and a prehistory of that war, the only thing you can offer as alternative explanation is "feeling it's the right thing to do" One could ofc say more to this war and argument than the article does, but you don't offer anything worthwhile besides "hurr that cannot be everything durr", well what then else, besides he felt it was right, like talking about somebody thinking to move abroad. Even then you will think about it beforehand. Maybe Putin did only trust his intuition and never spend a thought on the situation of his government in relation to the EU/NATO and the US. But then you should give me a reason why he did so. Btw. when I talk of Russia's interest, I, of course, speak about the government that exerts political control on that state, not about the people as a whole.
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No. 69822
We now have about a million male Middle Easterners in Germany that have battle field experience and no jobs.

Soon we will get another few million Ukrainians with battle field experience and no jobs. A lot of the Ukrainians will likely bring their weapons with them.

And a fucking famine is coming, because the Ukraine won't produce food and Russia won't be able to sell fertilizer.
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No. 69824
>>69822
You're way too easy to scare. Food is traded on the world market, if the supply goes down, the price just rises. Famine can only ever happen to poor people in poor countries.

And lol to the refugees becoming mercs, no discipline and organisation, Germans still make for scarier soldiers. Those who want to fight, never left their country.
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No. 69825
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No. 69837
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YfIOtJw6f0

I'd say the entire Clinton/Obama/Biden mafia is done for.
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No. 69840 Kontra
>>69837
Do you think they will go down peacefully? It's gonna be a show man.
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No. 69841
>>69840
They are already slaughtering her. Unified opinion is she's a traitor and Putin puppet.

That's a big one that falls into her sword for the safety of mankind. That's a genuine hero.
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No. 69844 Kontra
Briar for messaging. P2P and works without Internet. Works with Internet too.

https://briarproject.org/
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No. 69851
>>69821
>the only thing you can offer as alternative explanation is "feeling it's the right thing to do"
Putin's explanation, not mine.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
In short: "for revisionist reasons, I feel like Ukraine should be part of Russia."

Game theory as an explanation of human behavior is mostly bunk. Humans are not rational agents. Game theory is not the "better psychology".
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No. 69858
>>69851
Yes, an ideological (nationalist) argument. Putin said other things as well, that back the argument I made, which is more or less a paraphrase, you should check the article, where Putin is cited in detail, this backs the strategic and geopolitical reasoning I presented and that could have lead Putin to decide for a war instead of letting NATO bestow on their expansionist politics. As I said, one argument won't be enough, but you just flat pit criticized the argument and said no no no Putin said Ukraine is part of Russia. Well, Putin also said this (meaning: he has some thoughts on political super powers in the world that appear in his thinking as well):

>„Es ist allgemein bekannt, dass uns versprochen wurde, dass sich die Infrastruktur des NATO-Blocks nicht einen Zentimeter nach Osten ausdehnen würde. Jeder weiß das. Heute sehen wir, wo die NATO steht: in Polen, in Rumänien und in den baltischen Staaten. Sie haben das eine gesagt, aber das andere getan. Sie haben uns einfach betrogen.“ (Wladimir Putin, 1.2.22) [3]

>„Was sie in der Ukraine tun, versuchen oder planen, findet nicht Tausende von Kilometern von unserer Landesgrenze entfernt statt. Es geschieht direkt vor unserer Haustür. Sie müssen verstehen, dass wir uns einfach nirgendwo mehr hin zurückziehen können.“ (Wladimir Putin, 21.12.21)

>„Im März 2021 wurde in der Ukraine eine neue Militärstrategie verabschiedet. Dieses Dokument ist fast ausschließlich der Konfrontation mit Russland gewidmet und hat zum Ziel, ausländische Staaten in einen Konflikt mit unserem Land zu verwickeln. Die Strategie sieht die Organisation einer sogenannten terroristischen Untergrundbewegung auf der russischen Krim und im Donbass vor. Außerdem werden die Konturen eines möglichen Krieges skizziert, der nach Ansicht der Kiewer Strategen ‚mit Hilfe der internationalen Gemeinschaft zu günstigen Bedingungen für die Ukraine‘ sowie – hören Sie bitte gut zu – ‚mit ausländischer militärischer Unterstützung in der geopolitischen Konfrontation mit der Russischen Föderation‘ enden soll.“ (Wladimir Putin, 21.2.22)

>„Wenn die Ukraine in den Besitz von Massenvernichtungswaffen kommt, wird sich die Lage in der Welt und in Europa drastisch verändern, insbesondere für uns, für Russland. Wir können nicht anders, als auf diese reale Gefahr zu reagieren, zumal, ich wiederhole es, die westlichen Schirmherren der Ukraine ihr helfen könnten, diese Waffen zu erwerben, um eine weitere Bedrohung für unser Land zu schaffen. Wir sehen, wie hartnäckig das Kiewer Regime mit Waffen gefüttert wird... In den letzten Monaten sind ständig westliche Waffen in die Ukraine geliefert worden, ostentativ und vor den Augen der ganzen Welt. Ausländische Berater überwachen die Aktivitäten der ukrainischen Streitkräfte und Spezialdienste... In den letzten Jahren waren Militärkontingente der NATO-Länder unter dem Vorwand von Übungen fast ständig auf ukrainischem Gebiet präsent. Das ukrainische Truppenkontrollsystem ist bereits in die NATO integriert worden. Das bedeutet, dass das NATO-Hauptquartier den ukrainischen Streitkräften direkte Befehle erteilen kann, sogar an ihre einzelnen Einheiten und Truppenteile.“ (Wladimir Putin, 21.2.22)

>„Es ist äußerst besorgniserregend, dass Elemente des globalen US-Verteidigungssystems in der Nähe Russlands stationiert werden. Die ‚MK-41‘-Abschussrampen, die sich in Rumänien befinden und in Polen stationiert werden sollen, sind für den Abschuss der ‚Tomahawk‘-Raketen ausgelegt. Wenn diese Infrastruktur weiter ausgebaut wird und die Raketensysteme der USA und der NATO in der Ukraine stationiert werden, beträgt ihre Flugzeit nach Moskau nur 7-10 Minuten, bei Hyperschallsystemen sogar nur fünf Minuten. Dies ist eine große Herausforderung für uns und unsere Sicherheit.“ (Wladimir Putin, 21.1.22)

>„Nehmen wir an, die Ukraine ist Mitglied der NATO. Sie wird mit Waffen vollgestopft, moderne Angriffswaffen werden auf ihrem Territorium stationiert, genau wie in Polen und Rumänien – wer wird das verhindern? Nehmen wir an, sie beginnt mit Operationen auf der Krim, vom Donbass ganz zu schweigen... Stellen Sie sich vor, die Ukraine ist ein NATO-Land und beginnt mit diesen militärischen Operationen. Was sollen wir dann tun? Gegen den NATO-Block kämpfen? ... Ich glaube immer noch, dass die Vereinigten Staaten nicht so sehr um die Sicherheit der Ukraine besorgt sind... Ihr Hauptziel ist es, die Entwicklung Russlands einzudämmen. Das ist der springende Punkt. In diesem Sinne ist die Ukraine lediglich ein Mittel, um dieses Ziel zu erreichen.“ (Wladimir Putin, 1.2.22)
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No. 69869
>“Russia and Ukraine represent more than half of the world's supply of sunflower oil and about 30 percent of the world's wheat”
https://apnews.com/d3d64a530651455d4d8a35ed2e5a8759

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVDYn663JmE

The Ukraine will not produce any wheat this year. So this is no damocles sword. It has already fallen.
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No. 69872
>A girl with an anti-war poster burst into the air of Russian national TV. She turned out to be the editor of Channel One, Marina Ovsyannikova. She's already been arrested

>Before going on air, Ovsyannikova recorded a video message in which she condemned the war in Ukraine and stated that she was ashamed of her propaganda activities.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PDgBGp07z1U

Can russian ernsts give me a quick overview on where to place "Channel One"? Is this official state media or private? Is it watched by many? And what's the show she is interrupting? Looks like new, but is it prime time news and is it also from Channel One?
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No. 69873
>>69872
Biggest and most seen channel in Russia. From a prime time news segment. The lady who did that had two kids, brave considering she's facing a 15 year imprisonment.
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No. 69874
>>69872
There are no independent TV channels in Russia. In the case of the 1st Channel, 51% of the channel's shares belong to various state structures.
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No. 69876
The prime ministers of Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovenia are travelling to meet Volodymyr Zelenskiy in Kyiv even as pre-dawn Russian shelling killed more civilians in an apartment building in Ukraine’s capital.

In statements from their respective capitals, the three leaders said they would be offering their support to Ukraine’s president as representatives of the other 24 EU heads of state and government.

The move by Poland’s Mateusz Morawiecki, his Czech counterpart, Petr Fiala, and Slovenia’s Janez Janša was said to be an attempt to bolster Ukraine in its fight for its sovereignty. They will also meet the Ukrainian prime minister, Denys Shmyhal.

Fiala tweeted: “The aim of the visit is to express the European Union’s unequivocal support for Ukraine and its freedom and independence.

“At the same time, we will present a broad package of support for Ukraine and its citizens during the visit. The international community has also been informed of this visit by international organisations, including the United Nations.”

The announcement came as the emergency services in Kyiv said said two people had died in an attack on a 15-storey apartment building shortly before dawn on Tuesday.
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No. 69879
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What do you think causes people to get into this state or condition when they allow other individuals to think for them?
What makes a person to give up thinking entirely and let media or experts or politicians to make decisions for them?
How is that possible that so many people gave up their own freedom, willingly, because the media told them to do it?
Is it fear? Is it mental conditioning? Immaturity?
Is it preventable or it's a natural state of the humanity?
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No. 69881
>>69879
>Is it fear? Is it mental conditioning? Immaturity?

Conditioning. Not visibly questioning the current narrative is a prerequisite to ascend into the Middle Class and buy a house.

Then when you are Middle Class, you get to kick those below you.
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No. 69883 Kontra
>>69879
I don't think you are not to be excluded from these people, no one is. Maybe it is a matter of degree. One can project enlightenment thinking onto him/herself and yet this will meet its limit.
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No. 69886
>>69879
Thinking is hard.
Making decisions is hard.
Most people don't like doing hard things.

My ex was so afraid of making decisions that once she had me click the button to order a new cellphone.
In a bookstore I once found a book that was about how having too many choices is bad and how stuff like the Apple Appstore with its curated products makes life easier and less stressful.
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No. 69888
>>69886
>My ex was so afraid of making decisions that once she had me click the button to order a new cellphone.
My girlfriend constantly asks me what to do. Like do i like clothes she wants to buy or should she take this fitness plan over the other one with the swimming pool.
I guess women love to let the man choose.
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No. 69892 Kontra
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Forgive me for the r*ddit and tw*tter reposts from the american cancerchan, but I think while we talk about the insanity of our leaders we are not talking enough about the insanity of people who played shooters all their life or went to bomb some unsuspecting sandpeople without any actual resistance and then think they can go to war and 360 noscope a bunch of russians.
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No. 69894
>>69872
That's the most popular channel and the most popular TV show.

>>69874
>There are no independent TV channels in Russia.
Since 2001 when НТВ was took over.
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No. 69895
>>69892
NATO isn't coming, I thought that was clear from the beginning. Western nations will supply you with materiel and ammunition, maybe some drone and satellite recon data, but not a single NATO soldier will be deployed in Ukraine to fight along them. As harsh as it sounds for Ukrainians and their supporters (including me), giving up (parts of) Ukraine is better than WWIII. Getting blackmailed by Russia sucks, but they're a trigger-happy militaristic nation with a stockpile of thousands of nukes and sanctions are about the only thing we can do at this point.
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No. 69896 Kontra
>>69892
I've always been puzzled why people go to war from a safe country. I know some imageboard dwellers dream of a war, of being manly and shooting and shiet just like in games and movies. But the reality is you get shot and killed in a split second at a "random" moment. I think of that girl who went from Germany to fight with Kurd forces in Syria. Their vehicle was targeted on some highway somewhere in the desert, sit in that vehicle driving somewhere, next you think you (don't) know (anymore): you're dead. How can people actually celebrate this voluntarily?
Also, going to Ukraine to fight comes close to a death sentence anyway, wtf. This is a far, you should expect to die before going there if any amount of sanity is left in your brain.
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No. 69897
>>69873
Western media wrote a lot about her, so she won't be jailed in order to save the face. But I won't be surprised if some of her relatives die from "natural causes" very soon.
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No. 69898
>>69896
Wanting to do something for a greater cause, wanting to commit suicide by Russian artillery, wanting a change of life. Many possible reasons. It seems that often it's a case of all of the above.
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No. 69906
>>69898
It really is imageboard tier, wanting to turn your life around by going to war. I can even understand this desire to do so and make an experience and come back as somebody else, going through hardship in order to prove your worth and resistance. But my mind seems to prevent going for the death roulette because it suspects the desires meet a reality unimaginable for the dreaming dweller in front of his screen, fuelled by fictions of different kind (literary, moving image and games) that won't be congruent with the actual experience.
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No. 69907
>>69906
I don't it's necessarily imageboard tier, but I can understand that link. Even someone who understands conceptually what war is, might choose to take this path. After all, if you were suicidal, wouldn't this be a better path to take?
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No. 69909
>>69907
Yeah I know I connected it that way, it seems imageboard tier in our times to be precise then. Look at how young people went into WW1 in Germany and how "disappointed" they were once confronted with the reality. To be fair there was no comparable war with that level of mechanization before but in the end the reasons were similar to some imageboard dwellers considerations. Both have and had no experience with war and that is the big mistake. Heroic fiction is not be confused with the realites of war.
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No. 69910
>>69909
I'm not convinced that young Ukrainians and Russians don't know the horrors of war. They've grown up with stories about WWI and II and maybe even have some relatives that lived to tell them about it. I think most people who join the war with warped expectations are Westerners, who think that it's like CoD or cheering on Brenton Tarrant or Anders Breivik from afar. The realisation that there's no quicksave/-load feature comes way too late for them.

IMHO Russian youngsters are deluded by a constant barrage of Russian propaganda of their own superiority and Ukrainians are probably the ones who know the most what's at stake, and maybe that's why they fight like lions. I have nothing but respect for them.
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No. 69911
>>69906
>>69907
This. I can also understand the motivation someone could have to go to war, even if its not his "own". Especially the notion of doing something meaningful, fighting for a "good" cause, etc. - I think everyone understands that.
But I like my life too much to willfully take that risk. If the Reds stood right at my doorstep it would be something else, but even then I would be worried about causing my loved ones grief if I charged headfirst into an APC with nothing but my rifle.
Some ten years ago or so, it was a time when I was lovelorn, heartbroken and lonely, I considered signing up for MSF after finishing uni (it was like six more months) because I have never had any soldier training, but some skills that could be useful for medical missions in crisis regions.
Then I fell in love and dropped this plan (among others).
Today I would only fight if my loved ones were in acute danger and I could do something to help them.

I think the "imageboard" angle here is that some people think it will be like in their videogames and who then will complain about the cold, bad food and whatnot. I remember that account from some british guy who joined ISIS who was appalled at his brothers from the middle east to be rude and not minding the queue :--DDD
What baffles me most about this is that, at least in Germany, war isn't as romanticized as it was even a hundred years ago. Just last week Altbernd had his war-themed broadcast and it had a rendition of a Tucholsky story in it that was, among other things, about war propaganda and heroes and pathos and so on, but where are these finely draped books today? Everyone has seen Saving Private Ryan, everyone has seen Full Metal Jacket, shooters have gratuitous amounts of gore, but how do people STILL think war is clean and easy?
It's one thing wanting to fight for something, but it's another thing being ignorant about the reality of war, which has always been dirt and blood.
Hell, even Jünger, who was not someone who was against war, didn't romanticize the actual happenings. Of course he had his own attitude, and lots of pathos, but he didn't hold back with describing the horrors of war (in that he just described things how they happened). People were constantly hit by stray bullets in the head or ripped apart by shrapnel and his description of a neverending barrage is rightout haunting. How he let his soldiers drink and party in the evening because everybody knew it could be their very last minute on earth, how people were wading through half-dissolved corpses and so on.
If I ever decided to go to war I would do so in the conscious knowledge that it will be horrible on every account.
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No. 69914 Kontra
>>69910
>don't know the horrors of war. They've grown up with stories about WWI and II and maybe even have some relatives that lived to tell them about it.
>stories
>tell

Yep, that is a fiction as well in the end, no story will prepare exactly for the experience itself. I've seen enough videos from the middle east where people die in a merciless cut that is a bullet. And it made me realize that any glory was abstinent from this footage even if it had music underlying it. How could any war not be without this? I mean the border of life/death that is crossed fast and without any aesthetic in these instances.
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No. 69915 Kontra
>>69909
The difference here is though that in 1914 they only had the glorious stories of their grandfather from the 1871 war, today you have liveleak at your fingertips to see how war really is.
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No. 69916
>>69911
>What baffles me most about this is that, at least in Germany, war isn't as romanticized as it was even a hundred years ago.
Because war fucking sucks, for everyone involved. Even if you win it's a Pyrrhic victory in any case. Germans have learned that lession more than anyone else.

War isn't romantic, and it's certainly not just. Like you said, you're more likely to die by accident, a stray bullet or an anonymous bomb than in actual hand-to-hand combat.

You can still be against war and support a war party, though, like in the current case when the aggressor is undoubted and clear. I mean, in the 40s even pacifists supported the war effort against the Axis. Syria, Afghanistan, all major war theatres in the last 50 years were giant clusterfucks with no clear good or bad guy, and the good/bad distinction hasn't been as clear as today since 1945, in my opinion at least.

That's not a new train of thought though. 2000 years ago, Roman statesman Cicero developed a theory of the 'Just War', i.e. when it's acceptable to wage a war:
https://imperialethics.blogspot.com/2011/02/ciceros-just-war-theory.html
His main tenet was that it's only acceptable to fight a war if it secures long-term peace - which evidently didn't happen in Iraq, and certainly not Afghanistan. Ukraine is another ballpark though, since there's actually a Western-oriented people wanting to get liberated (or protected from invasion) instead of extremists who hate the West just a little less than their previous rulers.
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No. 69917
>>69916
Hm yeah, that sentence probably came out wrong.
What I meant was that war isn't generally glorified anymore, at least in Germany, hence I don't understand how people can still have such a romanticized view of it.
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No. 69918
>>69914
>I've seen enough videos from the middle east where people die in a merciless cut that is a bullet.
And maybe that's just what the world needs to tell everyone that war is shit. Visual depictions of war crimes and gore are abundant on the Internet, but mainstream media choose not to show them because... why exactly?
Show people Russians, Syrians and Ukrainians getting blown to pieces. Show them IS fighters beheading hostages, and themselves getting their faces ripped off by an RPG. Uncensored, no warning, first full-screen image of the 20:00 news programme. THAT'S what war is like, not speeches by suited-up presidents at long tables, their counterparts in bunkers in army fatigues or protesters waving flags for either side. I never understood the rampant (self-)censorship in our media anyway.
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No. 69919
>>69917
You'll go and be a part of history. A greater narrative for your life, ultimately being struck dead by a bullet isn't the most horrific war to go. Regaining consciousness after an artillery salvo, grabbing the stumps that you once called legs and crying out in terror.

>>69916
>I mean, in the 40s even pacifists supported the war effort against the Axis
While true, I just want to take this opportunity to say that one US congresswoman voted against her country's entry to WW2.
>Each of Rankin's Congressional terms coincided with initiation of U.S. military intervention in the two World Wars. A lifelong pacifist, she was one of 50 House members who opposed the declaration of war on Germany in 1917. In 1941, she was the only member of Congress to vote against the declaration of war on Japan following the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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No. 69920
>>69919
Well, it was one person. I find it more impressive that the rest of Congress unanimously voted for war with Japan. And whereas she undoubtedly faced some backlash for that too, she didn't go to prison for it, unlike the Russian TV presenter who held up a placard condemning the war in the background of the main news programme yesterday and now faces up to 15 years behind bars.

Just like today. Take Germany, for example. There's been broad support for the supply of weapons to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia across every party, only a handful of AfD members of parliament voted against it.
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No. 69921 Kontra
>>69920
>only a handful of AfD members of parliament voted against it.
They didn't vote against it because they're pacifists though...
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No. 69922
>>69921
That's true. My point though is that the unprovoked (yes, bite me) invasion of Ukraine by Russia was almost universally condemned across the West, across nations and party lines. Even Orbán condemned it, and he's usually on Putin's side as far as... well, anything is concerned.

Putin has managed to rally the EU, the NATO, the entire West against him. He has, in a few days, single-handedly, unironically done more for the unification of the continent and the alliance than years and decades of squabbling in Brussels.
https://www.der-postillon.com/2022/03/nato-putin.html

Even Switzerland took a side.
https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-87386.html
Fucking Switzerland.
You know you've fucked up when even Switzerland is against you.
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No. 69924
>>69922
>Even Switzerland took a side.
We were bullied into taking a side by the EU/NATO superpower surrounding us. The EU actually forces us a lot into taking unfavorable decisions.
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No. 69926
>>69924
To own them you should invade Liechtenstein and then gtfo the EU when they sanction you.
I can't see anything that could go wrong here.
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No. 69927 Kontra
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Can't make this shit up...
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No. 69928 Kontra
I just thought about this song because of the battle line and bc it's russian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4McS0E3lTSs

To talk to you

It's windy in memory, cold in the room.
The dark step of the evening tapped on the windows.
I want to run out, go to your home
By a downloaded Uber to talk to you.

There're ten missed calls only from my mother.
All the messages are only from the Ministry of Emergencies (Russian 911).
Countries and armies with tanks are rushing into battle.
I just want to talk to you.

Blue swallows, gray clouds.
Lonely days, useless days.
You don’t imagine that I live for you.
I just want to talk to you.
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>>69910
> They've grown up with stories about WWI and II and maybe even have some relatives that lived to tell them about it.
Usually these stories are not about "horrors of war", like Erich Maria Remarque. They are about heroic fight and jingoism, especially now, when most of veterans have died.
Rate this:
> The premiere of the channel is the multi-part film "Zagradotryad" [blocking unit] (May 8 at 18:40), which was produced by order of the Moscow government. The Great Patriotic War. The young scout Pavel Potemkin is credited as a fighter of the blocking unit - among many, he will block other soldiers from the Germans.
In case you don't know: blocking units go AFTER main forces, not BEFORE. And block them from retreating.

Many relatives fought in WW2, but I haven't heard any stories from them, only general biographical details.
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No. 69936
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>The talks with China over yuan-priced oil contracts have been off and on for six years but have accelerated this year as the Saudis have grown increasingly unhappy with decades-old U.S. security commitments to defend the kingdom, Dow Jones reported, citing people familiar with the matter. The offshore yuan erased a loss of as much as 0.3%, and traded slightly stronger at 6.39 per dollar.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-15/yuan-surges-after-report-on-saudis-accepting-currency-for-oil

Seems like there is a global front against the USA forming and I fucking love it!

Maybe we can get rid of the wannabe global master. Europe needs to reorient drastically!
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No. 69937
>>69935
>Potemkin
You couldn't make this shit up. This name stands for one thing and one thing only in the rest of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village

Also I don't know about any (recent) military movie or series with such extremely patriotic and jingoist undertones that was well-received in the West, and those that were often have an underlying anti-war or comedic message like Full Metal Jacket, Inglourious Basterds or The Men Who Stare At Goats. I can't think of a universally well-received military series which portrays US and/or Western soldiers as unanimously good guys with little to no downsides, whereas that seems to be the standard in Russian cinema for some propaganda reasons (which somehow always get negative reviews, I recall a rather recent film about the Ukraine crisis which left cinemas in Russia empty - and I mean empty, not a single soul has watched the movie, though I've forgotten the title).

But that's my impression, could well be that I'm overlooking a big Western film that fits my description of overdone jingoism while being well-received by western audiences at the same time.
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No. 69938 Kontra
>>69922
>Putin has managed to rally the EU, the NATO, the entire West against him. He has, in a few days, single-handedly, unironically done more for the unification of the continent and the alliance than years and decades of squabbling in Brussels.
So why aren't you thanking Putin for helping you out then? Why don't you all worship him if he did so much good for you?
Europeans are just a bunch of ungrateful pigs from my point of you. Fucking Putin throws you a bone, you swallow it and you're still not happy with the results. Give you an inch you will take a mile.
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No. 69939
>>69936
>Europe needs to reorient drastically!
Yes, but not towards China and certainly not towards Russia. Emancipating the Contintent from the US to a degree would be a start, but that doesn't automatically mean buttering your arse for the Russians and Chinese.
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No. 69941
>>69939
>but that doesn't automatically mean buttering your arse for the Russians and Chinese.

Europe needs Allies, not masters.

The Master-Sub relationship is entirely Anglo. Economically we are stronger than Russia. Militarily, I think we may be just about equal.

We can form an equal partnership with Russia and China and get rid of Anglo influences. They have been nothing but detrimental to our people.
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No. 69943
>>69938
>So why aren't you thanking Putin for helping you out then?
Thanking Putin for invading an aspiring EU and NATO member, raising gas and oil prices and putting international law in its entirety into question? What fucking planet do you live on?

>Why don't you all worship him if he did so much good for you?
Because I don't want to live under a kleptocracy, and certainly not under a kleptocracy with nukes where people mysteriously disappear just for speaking their mind and where the standard of living is by orders of magnitude below what we've been enjoying for the past 3/4 of a century.

I've recently stumbled across this opinion of an historian, which, from an outsider's point of view, sums up Russian hierarchy perfectly:
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388

>Europeans are just a bunch of ungrateful pigs from my point of you.
Suit yourself.
>Fucking Putin
Agreed.
>throws you a bone, you swallow it and you're still not happy with the results.
I'd rather have the Continent slowly grow together in times of peace than rapidly in times of war.
>Give you an inch you will take a mile.
Quite the contrary. The West let Putin take Crimea and Donbass, albeit begrudgingly, he thought that he could take the rest of Ukraine just as easily. That was a big mistake which he's now paying for dearly.

Anyhow, you're the first Russian I've been able to talk to over this in weeks and it's refreshing to see someone who actually seems to believe in what they say, I doubt that small imageboards like this one are already infiltrated by agents of either side and your reaction sounds genuine. While I completely disagree with your point of view it's good to actually hear someone from the other side.

>>69941
>We can form an equal partnership with Russia and China and get rid of Anglo influences.
Wishful thinking. They'll fuck us equally, if not harder, if given the chance. I'd prefer living under the American yoke, if you can call it that in the first place, to living under a Chinese or Russian yoke any time. I seriously doubt that my standard of living would be the same under either system, nor would I be able to speak what I think without fear of repercussion. Freedom of speech is one of the greatest things the US has propagated and fought for across the globe. They've been detaining people in China and Russia for trivialities, just think about the TV presenter with her placard on Kanal 1 yesterday.
>They have been nothing but detrimental to our people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozEZxOsanY
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No. 69944
>>69937
> This name stands for one thing and one thing only in the rest of the world.
Yes, I had same association. Probably they thought about famous "Battleship Potemkin". But were too ignorant to know that it's famous for it's rebellion and desertion, not for heroic fight in war. well, heroic rebellion against capitalist masters, according to soviet narrative
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No. 69946
>>69944
>Battleship Potemkin
That's a piece of world cinema I'm yet to watch. Thank you for reminding me of that, that's next on my list.
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No. 69948 Kontra
>>69943
You are wrong because my reaction is not genuine and i just made a purely sarcastic shitpost. In reality i have no real opinion about the current situation, i just think that europeans take things a bit too seriously and need to chill.
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>>69947
It must be so nice on Seychelles, and you know no better than argue about politics. Insane!
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No. 69951
>>69947
>Soon we will see the smaller countries figure out what happens without gas, fertilizer and wheat...
Europe is already frantically making plans to become more self-sufficient. About two decades too late if you ask me, but better late than never.

>and globally there is forming an economic front against the USA.
That's what I'm getting from the quagmire that is currently unfolding, too. We'll have a new Cold War, there's going to be Russia and China on one side and Europe and the US on the other. Emerging powers like India and Brazil are still on the brink of who to join.

>It's possible and even likely that Europe will be caught in that if we don't get rid of the USA and align with Russia.
It's bad enough that we have to pick sides in the first place, but personally I'd rather align with the US than Russia.

>First the Saudis and UAE snubbed the White House. They wouldn't even take Biden's phone calls. China is more openly allying with Russia and will sooner likely openly take Russia's side. India is neutral towards Russia and critical of the entire West. Saudi Arabia is openly discussing switching from Dollar to Yuan.
Like I said.

>Why the Fuck is Europe allied with the Americans?
History. Also common values. I'd rather share the American interpretation of freedom than Russian or Chinese ones. After all, America got born out of British colonies, with mostly European immigrants, at the height of the Era of Enlightenment. If there's a philosophy I'll follow it's a Western one.

>They dropped about 5 million Turks on Europe. In 2015 they dropped 2 million Arabs and Pakistanis on Europe. In 2021 they dropped about a million Afghans on Europe.
I don't know if that's on the Americans, the Russians, the Illuminati, the Jews, whoever. Europe failed itself when it failed to close the borders and took in millions of completely foreign refuggers, simple as. They stand in absolutely NO comparison to the millions of Ukrainians who flee a genuine war and consist of families instead of 95% 20-30 year old iq60 testosterone-driven 'economic refugee' males with no skills or qualifications whatsoever who got sent here by the chieftains of their tribes to gather money for nothing and send it back to whatever shithole they hail from, AND adhere to a completely idiotic and hostile desert religion on top of that.

>From 2014 - 2022 they created a Neonazi Army in Ukraine
The Azov Battallion was formed as a response to the unprovoked aggressions of Russia and the annexation of Crimea and Donbass. And it's pretty small compared to the rest of UA forces, and let's not talk about the hordes of actual, state-sanctioned Nazis that run rampart in Russia.

>and let those Neonazis run Bioweapons Laboratories in Europe.
Russian propaganda.

>Why the Fuck is Europe allied with the USA??
See above.
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No. 69953
>>69948
I can't really chill when your nation attacks a friendly neighbouring nation under false pretenses and without any provocation at all. This action creates precedent and we can't have that. Who guarantees us that the Baltic states won't be next, or that Serbia will once again provide the spark for another World War?
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No. 69954 Kontra
>>69937
>Also I don't know about any (recent) military movie or series with such extremely patriotic and jingoist undertones that was well-received in the West, and those that were often have an underlying anti-war or comedic message like Full Metal Jacket, Inglourious Basterds or The Men Who Stare At Goats. I can't think of a universally well-received military series which portrays US and/or Western soldiers as unanimously good guys with little to no downsides,

Saving Private Ryan is such a film.
Watching it carefully you will notice that all the blood and gore is only there to show how big of a sacrifice those brave men were willing to take.
Everyone but americans is either incompetent or simply absent. The whole rag-tag group is, despite some bickering and moral objections still a bunch of very swell guys who believe in everything that is right and just.
All germans are evil, which you can see in the scene where they SPECIFICALLY show that Steamboat Willie is the one shooting Captain Miller, thus justifying Upham shooting him in the end, after all, he could have just deserted, couldn't he?
And Ryan, he wouldn't leave his comrades and brothers in arms because he was such a heroic human and all the others were even more heroic because they gave their lives in the righteous fight against the thoroughly evil nazis.
If you watch nothing but Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich films for a whole week you will never get that FUCK YEAH AMERICA feeling as much as with SPR.

tl;dr: SPR is a 100% PRO-war (as long as it's a righteous cause, which it is because it's americans fighting) film disguised as an "anti"-war film.
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No. 69957
>>69951
> arguing with schizo
Very productive activity, keep it up.
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No. 69958
>>69955
>How long does wheat need to grow? How long do you need to prepare the fields? You do understand there is a famine coming. That's not a question. It is coming. Nothing can stop that anymore.
We'll manage. Whereas people occasionally starved to death in WWII, Ukrainians as a whole however did before that, and thanks to Russians too. The Swiss ploughed meadows and football fields in WWII and survived comfortably. I'm currently not worried about a food crisis, our fields are overflowing with corn and rapeseed, which mostly get converted into fuel anyway, but once there's a food shortage it's eating rather than driving for most people.

>Russia actually has the better cards.
In terms of energy independence, yes, and maybe even food. Everything else though... not so much.

>This year can be massive riots. Europe and the USA won't starve but the prices will explode
which we're already witnessing

>and poor countries will starve. Their people will try to move to Europe.
Like they've been doing for decades.

>And you can't stop this anymore. Ukraine will not produce anything this year
Yes, and we're already coping with the fallout right now. Nobody expects to get anything out of Ukraine this year anymore.

>and Russia gets sanctioned to oblivion.
That's not a bad thing though.

>Why would they not hold the food back and only trade with those that support them?
It would be logical for them to do just that. They know it, we know it, everyone plans accordingly. We're seeing the beginning of a new Cold War, but it's not the West who provoked it.
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No. 69959 Kontra
>>69953
>Who guarantees us that the Baltic states won't be next
I think your politicians should guarantee you that. It's their job to keep the population safe from wars and invasions of foreign powers.
If your politicians are bad at politics and can't maneuver between different big powerful countries like Erdogan or Orban - then you should elect politicians who can do it.

What happened now - happened because ukrainian elite failed to prevent it. They didn't give a fuck about their own population in their country. If they cared the war would have never happened because they would seek a diplomatic solution. But they didn't want a diplomatic solution clearly.
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No. 69960
>>69585
> Lviv
> Beginning of March
> green trees
Russian fake. That's how trees in Lviv look now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcMK5exToEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ujlKOx7iA
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No. 69961
>>69959
>I think your politicians should guarantee you that. It's their job to keep the population safe from wars and invasions of foreign powers.
I think it's YOUR country's obligation to guarantee that something like that won't happen in the first place. Nobody except Russia has an interest in invading these places.

>If your politicians are bad at politics and can't maneuver between different big powerful countries like Erdogan or Orban - then you should elect politicians who can do it.
We did, that's why Russia is currently getting rekt economically.

>What happened now - happened because ukrainian elite failed to prevent it.
No, it happened because YOU invaded. YOU could have prevented and invasion yet you didn't. Nobody prompted you to do that.

>They didn't give a fuck about their own population in their country. If they cared the war would have never happened because they would seek a diplomatic solution. But they didn't want a diplomatic solution clearly.
Sounds like you got Ukraine and Russia mixed up there. Selenskyj may not be a saint, but he clearly cares more about his people than Putin and his clique of a handful of close friends who have divided up Russia's natural riches between them exclusively. Selenskyj always sought dialogue and even does so today, it's Russia which doesn't make any concessions. Feels like the talks on the Belarussian border an in Turkey were just a show for them.
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No. 69962 Kontra
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>>69959
>What happened now - happened because ukrainian elite failed to prevent it.
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No. 69963
>>69962
Maybe they should have all worn veils in order not to provoke the russian homolust.
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No. 69964
>>69938
Euros have a lot to thank Putin for tbh. Brain drain from Russia, raw resource export as kleptocracy makes local industry impossible, warmongering which motivates countries to join NATO.
Their politicians understand it. They can't admit it openly because of elections, but they try to confine to "deep concerns" when possible
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No. 69965 Kontra
>>69961
>I think it's YOUR country's obligation
Well you think wrong. It's in everyone's interest wars do not happen. Which means compromise from both sides, not just one.
>>69961
>No, it happened because
Everything happens for a reason. Nothing happens without a reason. If you can't see a reason for this it means you have problem with the concept of cause and effect and you can't establish a link between cause and effect.
Meaning you as a person - should learn more about logic.
>Selenskyj may not be a saint, but he clearly cares more about his people
Which is why he ordered to give out free ak's for random people on the streets effectively creating a ukrainian variation of volkssturm? Because that's how you protect people? By making them a target?
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No. 69966
>>69965
A reminder: this guy constantly repeats that he "haven't choose side in conflict".

Let's apply Godwin's law once again and see how good Russian excuses fit in this context:
> Poland deserved everything for their degeneracy, it's just like with sacking of Rome
> If Germany didn't attack Poland, Poland would attack them first
> Germany attacked for a reason, Poland didn't want to pursue diplomatic solution
> Germany had to attack because of [insert conspiracy theory]
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No. 69967
>>69966
[or replace Poland with USSR]
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No. 69968
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I wonder who was the bastard that when being told by Ukraine "but we want to make dealings with Russia too", answered back "oh no, it's an exclusive, you have to do dealings with us and no one else".
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No. 69969 Kontra
>>69966
The ultimate cause of the World War 2 was poor treatment of germans by the two remaining Triple Entente members - the UK and France.
Their greed and their lust for revenge ended up causing more evil in the end. Had they not done what the did after the war - Weinmar Republic would've not experienced what it did in the 1930s, Hitler would've never been elected and the war would've never started.
I blame UK and France.
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No. 69970
>>69969
Do you blame USSR?
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No. 69971 Kontra
>>69969
I blame bolsheviks for their stupid ideology that was in the end used against them. They probably thought they were being smart but for someone obsessed with planned economy they were pretty bad at planning shit.
But as a country i can't blame the USSR because in my opinion it was a victim of circumstances.
I will blame the UK and France above any other country, with UK being the one deserving it even more than others.
If any country that deserves to get nuked today it's the UK. But unfortunately bastards have nuclear bombs of their own.
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No. 69972
Poland is now suggesting a NATO "peace mission" in Ukraine.
It's supposed to be a humanitarian support mission, but with "means to defend themselves".
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No. 69973
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No. 69974
>>69951
>We'll have a new Cold War, there's going to be Russia and China on one side and Europe and the US on the other.

I don't know. China wants to trade with the world, not with solely with Russia and some Central Asian countries and Africa. And afaik Chinas strategy is built on world trade as well, it also want to become a power and surpass the US, but that won't happen it the world goes into a partial trade lockdown. Think about the New Silk Road initiative, it already took damage thanks to the Russian invasion.
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No. 69975
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Russia announced personal sanctions against some Murican officials. But no one media mentions what do these sanctions specifically mean. Biden's account in Sberbank will be blocked? His mansions in Rublyovka will be expropriated?
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No. 69976 Kontra
>>69974
The only way China can surpass the US is if the dollar trade system is killed off.
Coincidentally killing petrodollar is very beneficial for every single country on the planet.
The only people who lose from it are the bankers and people who keep their fortune in USD and honestly i don't care if they go broke because i personally did not invest in USD.
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No. 69977
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>>69894
>Since 2001 when НТВ was took over.
Yes, it's true. It speaks to the momentous effect of the Chechen wars in the process of forming modern Russia. This doctrine of belated humanitarian corridors followed by bombing cities into submission is an artifact of military-humanitarian theories field tested during the Second Chechen War. In the first war, at a time when НТВ's coverage of the war shifted public opinion by showing the brutality of the war in Chechnya, Gusinsky was called to the Kremlin and told that if his unfavorable covering of the war continued, he would find НТВ shut down. Because Russia at the time was different, the government was unable to shut down НТВ, not for a lack of trying but primarily due to the actions of Alexander Yakovlev, who at this crucial time was the head of the federal commission of radio and television - this soviet dinosaur refused to give legal grounds for such a blatant autocratic decision.
All this to say that even a war that is conceptually easier to justify to the Russian public did face backlash from public opinion. The government being unable to revoke a TV license because the regulator is independent. Said НТВ airing sketches mocking the sitting President and his cronies after successfully thwarting their attempts to shut down their network.
The second war was different already, maybe even more familiar for Russian audiences :DD
1998 - Around 118 people have been killed and 400 injured after an explosion in Grozny's central square on Friday (October 22).
A rocket also hit a maternity clinic and local officials said about 30 bodies were found in the rubble, including several new-born children and women who had just given birth.
Thursday evening's attack was the worst on Grozny, the Chechen capital, since fighting began in September.
There was no independent confirmation on the casualty figure.
Russian forces admitted they carried out an attack on Grozny but claimed it was against an illegal arms market and that the scores of people killed or injured in the incident were not civilians.
Other Russian officials, including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, denied any Russian involvement in the attack.
At the European Union summit in Helsinki, Putin acknowledged there had been a special operation by Russian forces in Chechnya to prevent terrorist attacks in neighboring regions, but said that said that operation "had absolutely no relation" to the attack on the Grozny market.

https://youtu.be/4ACkgdgMseA

All of these things are unthinkable today, just as the present time would have been unthinkable for someone in 1995. Slowly and gradually, things changed. Even during the second Chechen War, the government had to resort to assassination for the media but there still remained independent political figures. Now they're dead or worse. It was VHS tapes of conscripts getting executed that laid the groundwork for what Russia has become. It's sick, it's 'degenerate' in the truest sense of the word.
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No. 69978 Kontra
>>69977
In my case I suffer with the Russian political changes, because the war has not just affected ukrainians but spillover sewage of russian infowars has found its way here and now it's like Kiselev bought ads on my Ernstchan.
I suffer almost as much as Ukrainians.
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No. 69979
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>>69730
Because position of victim apologizes many wrongdoings. "Poor poor Russia, everyone is so mean to us, we had to turn cities into ruins". Also it's supposed to exploit overly compassionate people, the PETA-type persons. My granny feeds stray dogs who attack people including children, and such rhetoric works on her (at least worked before war). I suppose Wect especially Germany, with their weaklings :DDD is full of these types, so in foreign propaganda such tactic is the most widespread.

On Sosach their method is different. For example, they shill hard for Milchakov (neonazi from Piter who first became famous for cruelty against animals, then went to fight in DNR) with commentaries about "свинорез" (pig-cutting), implying killing of Ukrainians.

Some people seem to swallow both types of propaganda. They sound a bit like Raikom secretary's daughter from "Cargo 200" who constantly switched from threats to begging and backwards.
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No. 69980
>>69977
Speaking about Chechens. Igor Strelkov writes that kadyrovits who are present on Ukraine, don't participate in battles:
https://t.me/strelkovii/2263

Whole existence of "Kadyrovits" is fucked up to be honest. All military and police forces are subdue to federal authorities according to law, and head of one of republics can't have them.
So they "defeated" Chechnya in war only to pay contributions and allow Kadyrov to have his personal army, nice.

Strelkov (Girkin) is a very interesting character, but I'm a bit a lazy to write introductions to slavic lore. Shortly speaking, he's former FSB colonel, veteran of all possible wars (from Balkan to Chechnya), monarchist and big fan of "White army" (guys who opposed bolsheviks in civil war). In 2014 went a bit rogue, went to offensive with his squad and escalated Donbass tensions into war.
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>>69978
You have to understand that EC is strategically relevant in the info war :DDD It's used as European mood barometer my various organizations of very different origins.
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No. 69983 Kontra
>>69979
I do not think you really understand what Russia really is and you think about it through the prism of the western worldview, the neoliberal American worldview specifically.
At this point you don’t even sound like someone from Russia, if I didn’t see your flag I would have thought you are from Poland, or Baltic states, honestly.
It’s just your mentality that is completely different, I can’t even explain it. It seems like you are for the most part driven by the ideology, rather than common sense.
What do you believe in? Do you believe in the government? Do you believe in corporations? The Law? Are you an atheist? Do you believe in the power of an individual above everything else?
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No. 69991
It is quite fascinating as someone who just came from the place we do not speak of, to see exactly the same Russian guy messing up the thread so that people don't discuss about what really matters.
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No. 69993
>>69983
You don't even argue about the points he made instead you accuse him of not being a Russian and ad-hominem him without any backing of your claims.
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No. 69994 Kontra
>>69991
I don’t really post on kohlchan.
>>69992
>Like technically speaking why does this not warrant a ban in this place?
It is called free speech. It means that all opinions even extreme ones such as mine are allowed. If you have arguments against my opinion you are absolutely free to say them.
>If this is not elaborate trolling then it's schizo posting and I thought that this place is way more serious on quality compared to nu-kc
I am just saying what is on my mind without filtering it. Do you have a problem with that?
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No. 69995
>>69994
I just deleted that post to turn it into a report instead of a post, as not to shit up the thread.

You didn't produce anything new or explain yourself so this still stands, yes, I have a problem with that. All you wrote is just an elaborate "Fuck you you are not Russian Fuck you"
>>69993
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No. 69996 Kontra
>>69995
I reported the German schizo already but he comes back via proxy and is allowed to shit around, sadly. I'm with you on banning stupid.
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No. 69997
>>69995
So? There are rules of a conversation everyone has to follow on an anonymous imageboard? Is that what you are trying to say? That people should think what is correct and what is not correct to say before they say it?
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No. 69999
>>69997
When creating statements you use arguments to back them up, one could argue about you skipping elementary school given your input so far.
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No. 70000
>>69999
I am not looking for a debate nor an argument, I am looking for a conversation. Normal conversation. Discussion. Not.a.debate.
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No. 70001
I'm at the food bank right now ans saw a few Ukrainian girls getting some food. They looked really pale and poorly dressed. Still kinda cute, except the fat redhead that already turned half babushka
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No. 70002 Kontra
>>69997
Thre is a difference between making post expressing your opinion and schizo/shartposting.
I can tolerate people smoking right next to me, but if you blow your smoke into my face you will get socked in yours, easy as.
But moderation seems a bit laissez-faire, anyway, especially looking at /b/ and what kind of threads are tolerated there.
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No. 70003 Kontra
>>70002
>I can tolerate people smoking right next to me, but if you blow your smoke into my face you will get socked in yours, easy as.
If you can’t tolerate that you can always choose to stand somewhere else where nobody blows smoke into your face. Or in case on this thread you can choose to not reply to me. Unless there is a reason as to why you choose to reply to me? I wonder if you know “why”, hm.
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No. 70004 Kontra
>>70003
You can always choose not to blow smoke into my face, what's your point?
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No. 70005
>>70004
So we can both choose in this situation? And what if nobody wants to back down, how can you decide who is right? What is the main criteria that will eventually decide who is right or wrong in this situation?
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No. 70006
>>69964
>warmongering which motivates countries to join NATO.
Damn I'm so thankful to Putin that he continues to be the only hostile element in the whole Europe so that we have to keep up an 70 year old defensive alliance up and running just in case Russia spergs out agai

>>70000
>I am not looking for a debate nor an argument, I am looking for a conversation. Normal conversation. Discussion. Not.a.debate.
Man, who are you to decide who is and is not Russian? The guy you were replying to originally is way more sensible than you and his idea of what is good for Russia far surpasses anything I've read from a Russian in a week or so. Accusing him of being an atlanticist because he is a russorealist is just shitty.
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No. 70007 Kontra
>>70006
>Man, who are you to decide who is and is not Russian?
Are you saying that has to be somebody in order to decide or accuse someone of something?
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No. 70008
>>70007
I am not making any statements on dialectics, I am only pointing out your own actions.
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No. 70009 Kontra
2,4 MB, 4032 × 3024
>>70008
I am absolutely aware of my actions, and why I make certain statements. Do you know why? Because I want to and because I can. And because i am in metro right now and I am bored.
Do you know why you post things?
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No. 70011 Kontra
>>70005
>>70003
>>70004

Nobody wants to withdraw, I think the answer is easy, you have to fight just like Ukraine/NATO and Russia do or you both stop and leave it be. But then again I'm with the German, you don't blow smoke in somebodies face, it's unhealthy and unfriendly. Even when you go into the smokers area you don't want people to puff into your face.
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No. 70012
>>70009
>Because I want to and because I can.
How enlightening, I thought that perhaps you didn't want to but could. Or maybe you couldn't, but really wanted to. And here you are. Impressive!
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No. 70013 Kontra
>>70011
And in case of the fight it’s “might is right” which means there was no choice to begin with because the strongest person will win anyway.
Which essentially means that choice whether to puff or not to puff, to walk away or tell the person to stop is an illusion.
>>70012
I shall take that as a compliment.
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No. 70014
88 kB, 800 × 447
I just completely ignore the Lakhtabot and the schizo posts. There's still a possibility to have decent discussions if we just let them be.

In any case I'd like to plug this channel again for seeing real Russian responses to the war and related topics:
https://www.youtube.com/c/1420channel/videos

If anyone knows similar channels mainly focusing on the current war aspect I'd be grateful. I'm very much surprised how much the Russians seem to self-censor out of fear for their own government. I could easily see them avoiding some "bad words" but many just completely opt-out from discussing the events at all, publicly at least.
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No. 70015 Kontra
>>70013
And extrapolating to my shitposts on an imageboard - because nobody can project his will onto me (unless he wields a ban hammer) and because I cannot project my will onto other people it means the the only way to prevent me from shitposting is if multiple conditions are fulfilled, and these conditions will lead me to a decision to stop doing it.
I can stop shitposting if someone asks me nicely to stop. And out of respect to the person i will stop.
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No. 70016
>>70005
>So we can both choose in this situation?
You go out of your way to be an asshole, so I can not choose not to defend myself.
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No. 70018 Kontra
>>70016
Like i said - causality. There is no escape it. We are all slaves to it.
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No. 70019 Kontra
>>70018
There is no causality in you sitting next to me and blowing your smoke into my face. You had the choice, I didn't.
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No. 70022
138 kB, 1280 × 720
Holy fuck how is it already almost 1pm
>>69975
Sadly I am sure it will impact me, as it drastically prohibits me from foreign currency speculation while hoping to take some profit from when rubles goes back up to being worth 100:1 against the dollar
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No. 70023
>>70013
>I shall take that as a compliment.
You are free to do so, there are far more repulsive fetishes.
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No. 70026 Kontra
>>70023
I believe in God, thus i have no fetishes.
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No. 70029
>>69980
> Igor Strelkov writes that kadyrovits who are present on Ukraine, don't participate in battles
Strelkov is known for writing a lot of bullshit. How can he even know that for sure?
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No. 70033
I support Russia!
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No. 70034
>>69993
That's a Russian tradition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auKP95JYO10
I think it's great that this pompous schizo is here. Like a sponge, his weak mind absorbs all sorts of Russian propaganda and then pours out here. He's a good illustration of vatnik for everyone. Now westerners too can learn concepts of "firing from Russians", "supermaneuverability", "pidoraha on spectask" and so on.
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No. 70039
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Post: civilians gathered protesting at occupied town. Russian soldier shoots one of them to knee ("hoof", as author of post writes).

Comments of Russians:
> He should've shoot in head, not in knee
> He should've shoot 10 people, not one
> Better shoot two dozens of them!
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No. 70042
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Russian about girl with anti-war poster from 1-st Channel:
> Hang bitch!

Russian about deficit of meds for epileptics:
> Epileptics are pigs! Bought all the meds for themselves and left nothing to others

Russian about bombings of Kharkiv:
> It's Ukrainian fake, there are no bombings, probably air conditioner blew up

Russian about text using word "war":
> Correct text please, there is no war, it's operation of neutralization of WAR CRIMINALS, in full accordance with INTERNATIONAL LAW
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No. 70044
>>69770
Nice reddit spacing. It's now beyond all doubt to me that you're shitposting here for an explictly narrow agenda, but the main question to me is why? Like are you actively getting paid to be here, or this is in between you raping children and you just happen to have latched onto this as some k*hltard Russian? Because fact is, as much as we all hate different things about Wect or have our own reasons for one dissident view or another, be it left, right, centre, atheist or religious, or any other angle, each and every last one of those views still takes a particular relish in watching Russia deservedly getting bent over and made to iur peetoch. You will pick up the towel not just for EU and muricas five eyes, cancerous as ANZACUK may be, but for the whole entire planet. Not even China is backing you idiots on this for your pidoran retard leadership, and nobody in Russian but the bydloest of bydlo vata is happy about this.

I'm not even talking about the meme "I'm sorry Russia is incurable" about this, but rather it's like watching some pathologically lying, impoverished, dumb, drunken, violent high school bully get picked up by his shirt collar and slapped repeatedly across the face. We are actively cheering right now because nobody is bombing Russia but we have slapped you right across the face in front of everybody, humiliated you, forced you onto the butilka and made to sit, and all because you had the audacity to try shitting up our pants and lying to us whilst bullying Ukraine. It's interesting in retrospect that repeatedly one of my biggest memories is on the whole casey board telling usually you Russians not to bully Ukraine. Even long before Donbass, even long before all the wars of Russian terror and aggression, back when KC was both alive and good, it already became practically a meme of saying to "stop bullying Ukraine." Which is mainly why we are all so pissed with you about it, and why only the most thoroughly retarded of puppy murdering edgelords is actually taking your side, and even they only take your side in the same way some deranged Indian president like Modi taking PCP and deciding to glass Russia prompting moral outrage would get the same edgelords to openly support genociding the same Russians they had just been supporting; these are clearly "people" you don't want on your side or rooting for you as the winds change.

Also I am personally irritated with you because Eastern Poland the Ukraine is was truly on its way to becoming this glorious technologicism society, this beautiful Slavic Taiwan pf Europe, which already could become a stunning jewel of Europe and which already was outputting lots of great games for example, and you russified it. That is to say, the memes really are true, and your German-like covetousness of people who actually put the work into succeeding made you pull them down to slosh in impoverished shit and mud with you.

I will tell you for all the true reason for war with Ukraine, and it is exactly that: "you want to make sure nobody is winning and nobody succeeds" >>69793
Russia did it because Ukraine was finally succeeding, and worse, they were succeeding near enough that Russians could look at its successes while huddling in the mud beneath its shadow. I have often wondered why it is that Poland ir Ukraine output so many more games for example than all of Russia, and I suspect that is partly why.

>>69733
Same reddit spacing

>>69787
Now when politicians say stupid shit like "we should think about our own nuclear weapons program" - they are pretty much asking to get slapped.
Absolutely remarkable hypocrisy and doublethink. Now you expect me to believe Ukrainians, or any modern military, is going to dirty bomb people? If anything this tells me that the Russians would consider using dirty bombs on civilians as "military doctrine."

>>69778
Your plebbit spacing and obviously not from here typing aside, I just find it funny that part of Russia's experimental propaganda is to somehow gaslight butthurt at glorious America[b] Germans into believing a stronger Russia is in their best interests or in any way a conversation about that type of stuff, as opposed to Germany and the EU being freed of Russian extortion, Russian aggression, and nonstop Russian belligerence in their seas and skies.

A WEAKENED Russia is very, very much in German interests however, as it basically removes the only plausible regional competitor from European power, thus leaving solely EU, China, and USA, as is largely the case now only Germany is reliant on Russian resources presently and thus weakened by Russia. If it's a zero sum game then surely EU/Germany is stronger having only 3 rather than 4 players at the table, no? Would they rather play a poker game and let Russia have some money, or call Russia's bad bluffs and eliminate them while taking all their money so as to better outcompete the Chinese and American hands?

>>69983
He is mythical sane Russian, not stupid vatnik and bydlo. This is why you do not understand him. Because he hasn't ODd on krokodil in alleyway, nor is oligarch son, nor he is office plankton nor vatnik, nor he is some babushka or high grade prostitutetransactional sexual acquaintance younger Russian woman, and nor he is some sort of stupid sosacher child and not a Wectern living hypocritical shitposter either, you presume no such sane man surely can exist. Has he? Yes. Because I talked to Russians all the time online and usually they congregate online so they don't have to deal with the plethora of idiotic and insane Russians who he must suffer which he sees and says hi blyad to everydaywhich is exactly why I came here until I found it accumulate too many unhealthy mental habits and unwell or bydlo people over time.

Of course no one apologizes for Russia because it's naked imperialist aggression but they also insist on going full proofster at home and abroad. Protip it was also Russian insurgents that shot down that dutch airline too.
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No. 70045
>>69801
You forget the one key thing about all this "really it was Biden's fault for disastrous wartime situation, it was foreign boyars fault all along not Putin's" bullshit spinning which is that nobody fucking cares about Russia because it's a Capitalist economy people were making money from, and the whole reason we've gone down that road is Putin's nonstop tsarist dick waving which he's been doing for decades now largely unpunished. Who else here remembers Georgia? Do you not think that we'd remember Donetsk and lies about their little green men? Do you think we've suddenly just forgotten about all the constant airspace and naval violations, as in, not just "they are doing things in a country too close to us" but literally violating our air space and territorial waters? Do you think our elections and economic interferences and other hackings have been forgotten? Or about the fact you just brazenly unleashed chemical weapons and radiological weapons against any who would use their mere free speech to oppose you, and to do that chemical weapon inside our own borders? And none of that is even addressing the fact Buynaksk and Volgodonsk was an inside job meant to create false flag provocations against churkas, in much similar way as now Russian fabricates lies and twists contexts in order to rationalize to as many starving bydlo as possible why they now are twice as poor today as they were a mere month ago even as their pensions get stolen.

Yet somehow I am supposed to believe this is all the Western's fault, because of reasons which haven't even been valid complaints since 30 years ago when maybe Wectern provocation really was a real thing against the Soviets, and which says volumes to me about the boomer mindset of these Russian propagandists who likely fully sold out Russia and their fellow comrades in the 1990s and probably have no problem with what is happening today because all a second 90s probably means to them is opportunity for stealing even more from the Russian people at cost of weakening Russia herself. No, blyad, you are not rebels against the neoliberal order--you are merely the most devout of servants to it now.

>>69807
The fuck kind of psychotic nonsense even is this? There's nothing remotely Socialistic about this society. Murka is just Capitalism achieving its final form. Literally all anyone cares about here at all anymore is money. The only way American wealth gets redistributed is the same way Russian money got redistributed in the 1990s with the sole exception of 2020 giving us a portion of our tax money back which was solely done to head off violent insurrection and mass rioting on a national scale ending with CEOs being hanged. Instead they just bitched about the cops and smoked weed in Pelosi's office after buying bitcoin and shit like that.
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No. 70046
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>>70042
>>70039
Ha! Ha! Time for propaganda!
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No. 70049 Kontra
>>70044
>Absolutely remarkable hypocrisy and doublethink.
I don't try to hide it, it's the whole point.
>>70044
>He is mythical sane Russian, not stupid vatnik and bydlo. This is why you do not understand him. Because he hasn't ODd on krokodil in alleyway, nor is oligarch son, nor he is office plankton nor vatnik, nor he is some babushka or high grade prostitutetransactional sexual acquaintance younger Russian woman, and nor he is some sort of stupid sosacher child and not a Wectern living hypocritical shitposter either, you presume no such sane man surely can exist. Has he? Yes. Because I talked to Russians all the time online and usually they congregate online so they don't have to deal with the plethora of idiotic and insane Russians who he must suffer which he sees and says hi blyad to everydaywhich is exactly why I came here until I found it accumulate too many unhealthy mental habits and unwell or bydlo people over time.
I won't even read this wall of text man.
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No. 70058
431 kB, 1869 × 737
>>70034
A challenger appears...
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No. 70060
38 kB, 604 × 375
Can't help myself, here is what I found being pushed from curious sources - A complete reversal of what happened, now in a supposed FREEДОМ channel.
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No. 70062
So the pro-nato argument goes like this:
NATO was scrambling apart by various reasons, but here comes evil Putin that glues this allience together.
So I am geniuly curious what makes you think it will go on after putin is backed away/eliminated/wiped out, and why is anti-putin agenda is secretly infested with arguments on dismantling the america-led and allied world?
What makes people think the next clash of power see, on one side, america and eu under the wing of nato, on the other, russia teamed up with china?
In my view, it's shortsighted to omit that the whole world is anxious to be anti-america. And the leaking thoughts on shattered nato allience is strong confirmation of that, coming from the most welcoming hosts of george floyd protests.
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No. 70064
94 kB, 918 × 630
I like how Chinese news read like smack talk
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No. 70065
>>70064
Global Times dropping truthbombs again?
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No. 70066
13,9 MB, 720 × 1280, 0:45
>>70029
> for writing a lot of bullshit.
Which for example? (I wasn't following him)

> How can he even know that for sure?
He fought in Balkan wars, in Transnistria wars, in First Chechen war, Second Chechen war, Donbass war. And was FSB colonel. I'm sure that he has enough sources to be well informed.
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No. 70067
>>70065
Yeah
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No. 70069
>>70064
Curious, NATO will criticize Russia but they have bombed Yugoslavia. The Chinese aren't very good at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3CRCUbZ98
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No. 70070 Kontra
1,0 MB, 1280 × 720
>>70069
Come on, at least post some of the real shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEBoxrDqhZE

>>70060
Fuggin lol'd at that sign
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No. 70072
91 kB, 787 × 1024
>>70070
Cast side falsities and retain the truths
Because throughout our lives, too many hypocrites
have instilled false understandings,
causing us to ignorantly
disregard the clearly visible oppression and atrocities-
Causing us to stubbornly cling to our opinions
and lose our ability to think critically.
When faced with unfamiliar opinions,
we experience cognitive dissonance.
Doubling down on our mistaken views
has become a psychological defense mechanism,
which causes us to unkowingly
become pawns of the system that oppresses us.

Incredible bars, 5/5.
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No. 70079
Mayor of Berlin is talking about "seeing the refugees as a chance" (I suspect berliners aren't as tolerant as they always pretend to be and start disliking the refugees), but the best thing about this is that she is also talking about the "Fachkräftemangel", an imagined lack of professionals used to lower wages, which has also been a huge argument in taking all those third world refugees, "doctors and engineers" and so on.
Just when I thought the SPD couldn't stoop lower, but then again, it's "gang crime" Giffey. Fuck that cunt, seriously.
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No. 70080
>>70079
The refugee crisis will be the downfall of Europe. Kinda like Migration Period in 395 except it’s gonna be much quicker.
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No. 70082
>>70080
This. There might come people who are actually competent and doesn't spend time shitposting on obscure image boards.
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No. 70087
178 kB, 1123 × 274
https://media.defense.gov/2022/Mar/11/2002954612/-1/-1/0/FACT-SHEET-THE-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE%27S-COOPERATIVE-THREAT-REDUCTION-PROGRAM-BIOLOGICAL-THREAT-REDUCTION-PROGRAM-ACTIVITIES-IN-UKRAINE.PDF

The War in Ukraine is the Iraq War all over again, but this time with actual evidence for Weapons of Massdestruction and the Russians have already secured 2 laboratories a week ago.

They are likely hunting whoever is transporting the weapons away now.
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No. 70088 Kontra
148 kB, 1024 × 768
>>70087
The plausiable deniability factor allows NATO/US/UK officials to deny it and call "misinformation" or "forged evidence".
They will never admit they are in the wrong even if you smear the evidence all over their faces.

There is nothing you can do about it unfortunately, they got all their media under control and can create a parrallel universe with it, and information bubble of sorts that is nearly impenetrable because all the alternative opinion will be called "wild conspiracy theory" or "violent extremist propaganda". Most normies will never touch this information because they are afraid they might get arrested for reading it.

So it doesn't make any difference whether there is evidence of biological weapons research or no evidence because most people will never learn anything about it anyway.
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No. 70090
>>70087
>>70088
At least with the line of WMDs in Iraq, they had the decency to make up the lie before the invasion.
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No. 70091
73 kB, 1020 × 650
>"I am practically convinced that we won’t have to fight with Ukraine. The West won’t be able to drag us into this conflict," BelTA News Agency quoted Lukashenko as saying. According to him, the Belarusian authorities "are smart enough not to be drawn into the conflict that the Americans together with their partners are pushing us towards".
Luka can't keep getting away with this, mad lad.
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No. 70092 Kontra
>>70087
> Country gets invaded
> Labs carrying pathogens will get bombed so in order to not leak into the environment they destroy the samples
ZOMG CONSPIRACY.
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No. 70093
>>70091
Whoah, holy based?
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No. 70095
4,8 MB, 578 × 480, 1:03
Listening to the Russian naked mole rat speaking at the UN security council meeting is a great way to lose brain cells with record breaking rates.
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No. 70098
>>70090
They also knew chemical weapons were there at some point (they gave them to Saddam for his war with Iran).
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No. 70099 Kontra
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No. 70100
>>70060
It was originally a joke from Tiktok. Now it's forced in different places as something what really happened.
But on the other side, Ukrainian channel broadcasted "Zelensky's call to surrender and lay down weapons" in it's ticker. I don't know if it was cyber attack or one of employees decided to broadcast it.

>>70090
Before invasion DNR officials said that Americans and hohols are going to use "Botulinum toxin" as chemical weapon. In other words, botox. National-traitors brainwashed by neoliberal ideology say that Americans already used this chemical weapon on our strong leader's face.
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13271151

Also they tried to use assassination of high ranking official as casus beli. And exploded car which supposed to belong to him. Old soviet УАЗ.

It all may be explained by greed and stupidity or by sabotage from LDNR's side who didn't want to be dragged to war.
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No. 70101
>>70099
Why do you post your german nonsense here? at least post it in french, an international language.
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No. 70105
112 kB, 630 × 1280
>>70100
Important developments underway, trust the plan.

Addendum - Has there been any change in the Russian war goals? Has any government agency made any overture towards a peace without regime change?
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No. 70106 Kontra
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>>70105
The developments are getting more and more complicated with each passing day. Here's the latest intel.
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No. 70107
>>70105
Putin's squads have vowed support for Britney, and now she returns it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MorwqSSOqA
Soft power in work!

> Addendum - Has there been any change in the Russian war goals? Has any government agency made any overture towards a peace without regime change?
Analyzing what Russian officials say doesn't make any sense (except when it's funny), it's just a white noise. But here is some:
> Moscow and Kyiv are discussing the demilitarization of Ukraine according to the Swedish or Austrian options, this option can be seen as a compromise, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
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No. 70108
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>>70106
The Pridnestrovian Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic is ready to lend its youth to die for the just and noble cause of combating fascism. From the great patriotic war to keeping bloodthirsty moldovan russophobes across the river. Like their grandfathers, like their fathers, like their uncles - they too will fight fascism. With each reiteration, the ideals become more warped but enough talk, now comes the time!
Forward, comrades! We will foil the CIA's bird plot and kill their pig nazi underlings before they unleash a bioweapon on our children, forward!
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No. 70110
>>70105
Russia looking back to superstars from the 90s could be taken as ominous
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No. 70111 Kontra
>>70110
thought I had written something and forgot about it, made me do a spit take
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No. 70112
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>Analyzing what Russian officials say doesn't make any sense (except when it's funny), it's just a white noise. But here is some:
> Moscow and Kyiv are discussing the demilitarization of Ukraine according to the Swedish or Austrian options, this option

Is the man talking demilitarization of Sweden post-1990? Or is he talking about a different Sweden? Because from the forties to the nineties, Sweden was anything but demilitarized. They had an intense military budge and an armaments industry that served both domestic and foreign markets. Even today, Sweden is hardly demilitarized. Example: Sweden operates 70 fighter aircraft. For a nation with a population of barely ten million. Scaled up to Ukraine, that would mean 300 fighter aircraft.

So is he even talking about Ukraine or is this an implicit threat to Sweden?
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No. 70113
>>70112
i think demilitarization means no military
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No. 70114
>>70113
>i think demilitarization means no military
How enlightening, I am impressed.

>>70107
>demilitarization of Ukraine according to the Swedish or Austrian option

Yet, as I argued in >>70112 Sweden does have a military and used to have a bigger military, so does Austria.

So we have two possible interpretations:
1.)
> Demilitarization
does not mean demilitarization.
2.) Sweden and Austria are to be demilitarized.
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No. 70115
1,8 MB, 394 × 720, 0:39
>>70114
Statements of Russian leaders rarely make any sense.
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No. 70116
In the news:

>Ballistic vests were stolen from some NGO's New York offices

>Putin has officially gotten barred from his local in Dresden

>Foreign minister (Greens) talks about Germany "taking more responsibility in NATO matters"

>Poland wants to "derussify" its economy

So what I am seeing here is that Poland is acting increasingly irrational and that Germany has a responsibility to keep them in line.
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No. 70117 Kontra
>>70116
A post of wasted space. This tells me basically nothing and I had to look up anything of these to feel I had obtained a useful information.
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No. 70118
>>70114
I suppose demilitarization is a putinist codeword for not being in NATO or trying to join it in this case.
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No. 70119
>>70114
>>70115
Probably a misuse of term or something. I think instead of "demilitarization" he meant "not being a member of NATO", like Sweden, Switzerland and Austria.

>>70091
The day before yesterday he said that Ukrainians launched a missile at our territory, but it was shot down and fell down "near the river, go look for yourself, it's not a fake, I tell you!". Yesterday he said that they launched two missiles. I wonder if next he will just continue with an arithmetic progression and say that there were three missiles, or will he up the ante with a geometric progression and say that there were four?
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No. 70120
>>70119
Reductions in numbers of ground troops have been actually mentioned.
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No. 70121 Kontra
>>70117
Imagine actually expecting any useful information from the war shitposting general
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No. 70122
>>70121
this.
I think that due to fog of war this thread and discussion is largerly useless.
Occasional emotionally charged posters shitting out their ebin takes and predictions based off crap they heard from "experts" on TV only makes it worse.
I admit i might have succumbed to this pathetic mindset a couple times in this thread. Kinda hard to stay neutral when you get people attacking you cause of your flag alone.
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No. 70123
221 kB, 1106 × 1600
>>70118
+1

>>70112
It's because they went to NATO meetings recently. No wonder, West shitted up its pants in the first times of conflict. Let's see if we can deescalate and make something good out of this.
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No. 70126 Kontra
>>70121
Touché.

Maybe it is time to minus the thread and live on happily ever after.
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No. 70127 Kontra
56 kB, 481 × 482
Ok, it's official. Myanmar coup was funded by India.
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No. 70128
>>70127
I don't think tweets about plans are that definite.
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No. 70129 Kontra
>>70128
Things really went downhill, kohlification.
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No. 70130 Kontra
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No. 70131 Kontra
>>70129
Feels like the whole internet has been kohlified. In reality it must be a combination of the eternal september and becoming a grumpy old man. What really worries me that there's not even a hint of a solution in sight. Is this a line that many men cross and tune out the world and seek refuge in a new hobby with model trains or something equally fascinating, I wonder.
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No. 70132 Kontra
>>70131
Yeah i'm going to give you a hint.
Nobody likes autistic people and nobody likes argumentative people, because both suck the soul out of every activity and every conversation.

Argumentative people treat every single conversation as a some sort of special olympics competition where they just HAVE to win and he's absolutely willing to use sophisms and lie as long as he "wins" the argument. Such people don't consider themselves wrong and if they feel like they are wrong they will try to blame someone else for their problems.

Autistic people are just boring retards who might as well be replaced with a log of wood or a cow, hell a cow will be a lot more fun to hang around with than an autist. It's like being next to a tree. I don't know what is it that makes them so fucking annoying and puncheable, i guess the only thing human about them is their looks. There are no emotions, barely any intellect, abnormal obsession with things etc, etc.

Places with high concentration of both people i can only describe as "mental asylum".
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No. 70133
In the meantime, Roskomnadzor is going to ban YouTube soon. Main VPNs are also being slowly but steadily blocked; my provider already have been blocking Tor since January. We're really going to live in an enlarged version of Turkmenistan...
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No. 70134 Kontra
>>70132
You got issues, and it's not that you just give us unrelated topics like Myanmar.
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No. 70135 Kontra
>>70132
Do you think places where autistic people congregate are mental asylums and you voluntarily checked into one.
Perhaps it's time to leave or start posting about trains
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No. 70136 Kontra
>>70135
Cause the other option is to post where normies post and that's even worse that this place.
>>70134
>You got issues
no shit sherlock
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No. 70139
33 kB, 630 × 420
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>>70135
>start posting about trains

I wish we would have a train thread, I like the train as transportation device and its form.
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No. 70140 Kontra
66 kB, 734 × 499
>>70139
Don't let your dreams be dreams. Create the threads you want to see in the world!
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No. 70144 Kontra
>>70140
I might post in the new thread, but I fear my view on trains is often far from the ones the common train enthusiast has.
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No. 70148
I just got banned for one year on KC /b/ for for posting something pro-Ukraine.
Official reason: "undetected proxy", but it happened after like five minutes, so it was obviously not the auto detection software, but some censoring pro-russian.
I don't know if I contact Helmut via E-Mail or just stay away from KC, since he obviously doesn't care that his mods do whatever they want.
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No. 70152
>>70148
Welcome to the club. I'm usually on the Internet via VPN for various reasons, and I got banned for the same reason. Got banned for speaking out pro Ukraine. KC has become a haven for Putinbots.
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No. 70153
I was wrong. The bord software bans you automatically for one year if you repeatedly gets banned and assumes you must be a proxy therefore.
Read on their /kohl/-board because someone else got the same treatment.
Still KC became a censoring piece of shit board.
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No. 70157
The KC admin is paid by Russia because some mentally retarded propaganda department thinks that KC has about the importance of 4Chan. For maybe 1000 USD per month in crypto, the board is now becoming a pure Putin propaganda hangout.
But maybe people are that retarded even without payment. The other Putin fans don't seem to mind when there is such extreme censorship, manipulation and banning as never before in a Western imageboard on any topic.

Large parts of the right-wing scene, especially its loudest representatives, are completely made of shit and would love to join a new Soviet Union - if only the evil, "decadent", "immoral" West loses. 700,000 abortions per year in Russia would be negligible if there were no more "pronouns" in social media profiles.
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No. 70158 Kontra
>>70153
Nobody should think every opinion is welcomed on EC. Though, it is funny that the libertarian free board is banning people for opinions, given that they let cp prevail. Kohl has been and is a community for right wing thought and being pro putin shows this.
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No. 70159
>>70158
>Kohl has been and is a community for right wing thought and being pro putin shows this.
But folks like Trump or Weidel understood right away that they now have to get off the dead horse Putin. Other right-wingers are following the Parkinson manlette to their Untergang.
The AfD will be thrown out of most western state parliaments if it still shows itself to be a pro-Putin party.
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No. 70161
>>70159
>The AfD will be thrown out of most western state parliaments if it still shows itself to be a pro-Putin party.
Yes, they will, but the same-minded people who censoring KC atm also toke over AfD. That is why AfD got unvotable for me.
I voted AfD last year, but wouldn't do so now.
Sucking Putin's dick until the end, how you said, is extremelly pathetic.
I guess they just can't get over themself and admit that it wasn't that great to support putin over the last years and now pride is bigger than reflection.
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No. 70162
72 kB, 624 × 582
>>70157
Alt-rights are pretty funny in this regard. But that's not just Russia:
"As an American nationalist, I'm big supporter of CCP and Taliban"
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No. 70164
>>70158
> Nobody should think every opinion is welcomed on EC.
So, what shall I not post here?
I only knew that you dislike CP, gore and low-quality shitposts. Otherwise you are free to post I guess.
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No. 70179 Kontra
>>70164
You can't post what i post. I mean mechanically you can, but being anti-social is not welcome. I'm still here despite the fact that majority of users hate me for my opinions, but it's just me.
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No. 70180
26 kB, 497 × 373
Shit is fucked, but Arnie did actually well by making an appeal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWClXZd9c78
Yes, yes, he is a murkan actor and more, but who cares, kudos to him.

So what will it be? I initially thought Russia would be done with Ukraine in 3-6 weeks but maybe Ukraine will hold, heh? Well, I am confused, thought the territorial dispute and general situation would keep Russia happy cuz Ukraine is and was stuck, I never expected the invasion. Civilians and military causalities total 5k - ca 10k per week from what I could gather. Such a meaningless war... DOGE FUCKING DAMMIT. I pity all the fallen from all sides. I would not be surprised if parts of my extended family are no-scoping each other in Ukraine. Peace.

So, what did we have the last 6 months? Corona, Armenia, Ethiopia, Myanmar and the usual drivel? FFS

>>70179
Are you
>>69256
>...all of which promote western european way of life which is not for me personally and i don't wish to be a part of this system.
?

Also: inb4 afraid of homogay, fedora clappers and muh loss of traditions.
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No. 70181 Kontra
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No. 70182
>>70180
Addition 2: Would be interesting to hear what Russians think of Putins recent speeches. I only managed to make it through the first minutes before cringing out, what a fucking pain this year is.
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No. 70183
>>70182
>>Would be interesting to hear what Russians think of Putins recent speeches.
It's not like I normally watch those. It would be too much strain.
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No. 70184
77 kB, 1280 × 960
The usual suspects.
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No. 70185 Kontra
>>70180
>Also: inb4 afraid of homogay
no, not that. I dislike how people live in Germany or Poland for example, the mentality i mean.
I don't like honest work, i despis it, and i don't like how being a douchebag is normalized in Poland for example.
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No. 70186
8 kB, 604 × 608
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>>70185
People are mostly the same, but yeah, culture does shape a person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

What is even part of the mentality? I'd reckon we are quite similar with a tendency to be more secular with a pinch of more freedumbs and less focus on family. Maybe Germans are more direct and honest, also punctual, maybe not? People want stability and their basic needs met, whatever their mentality may be. Getting baton'd by the police is not what I consider stability... scnr

So what is so different between the polish, german and russian mentality?

You don't like honest work? What does that even mean? Being a wage slave is shite, having a decent job to pay for hobbies and a home is acceptable I guess.

How is being a douche normalized in Poland?

M8, the whole post screams underage and edgy to me.
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No. 70187 Kontra
>>70186
It is hard to explain but i just don't like hierarchical societies in which boss = god and must be respected solely because he is your boss. And it's true for every person in general.
No matter how one looks, how much money he makes or what job he has, what he does for a living, who his parents are - i believe all these things are not warrant for being respected.
I have the same amount of respect for a homeless bum and a doctor or a scientist or a banker - in fact i do not respect any of them based off their profession.
Why? Because i don't know them. If i don't know a person - i will not respect him until he proves he's worthy of respect.
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No. 70188
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74 kB, 1200 × 800
>>70187
That's curious, don't you see Russia as a nation of more rigid hierarchies?
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No. 70190 Kontra
7,2 MB, 1280 × 720, 0:44
>>70188
In a harmonious society there's no need for hierarchies!
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No. 70191 Kontra
16 kB, 419 × 544
>>70186
>boss = god
Yep, I can agree to that, that's indeed retarded.

Concerning hierarchies, there is sometimes a need for them. Say company or project xyz has to make a decision, would it be faster or more fair or "better" if everyone decides or if the few qualified people make a decision, what even gets decided by whom? Shit is complicated. A hierarchy can be a concept or tool, you hammer down nails but don't beat em with a book, right?

>No matter how one looks, how much money he makes or what job he has, what he does for a living, who his parents are - i believe all these things are not warrant for being respected.
Well, I agree except for the job part, I know an engineer who does social shite for a living to help people, pretty rad if you ask me. He would make 3 times the many doing engineering... One can also compartmentalize or just like/dislike different aspects, same goes for respect I guess. I know an academic who does respectable sciency stuff and has a good, successful company, that I can respect, but the person is a piece of shit, not taking care of their kids from their last marriage, fuck that. But apparently he is not willing to invest a little bit of time/money for his first 2 kids, what a pity. ;_;

Well, a bum like me did not invent the computer or whatever we are sitting in front to write our drivel.
>I have the same amount of respect for a homeless bum and a doctor or a scientist or a banker - in fact i do not respect any of them based off their profession.
Well, why should you? I can or may respect someone for something, whatever I consider to be worthy of respect, but I have to agree, just having a job, profession or lifestyle title like "bum" may not be inherently worthy of respect. What even is respect, what is worth and inherent worth? I at least treat most people with respect, whether I respect them or not, basic courtesy.

>Why? Because i don't know them. If i don't know a person - i will not respect him until he proves he's worthy of respect.
Well, that sounds much more reasonable.
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No. 70195
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No. 70196
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>>70195
It's really fucked that Russians who were born in Putin's Russia are being killed and mutilated in Ukraine.
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No. 70197 Kontra
>>70188
I'm not a part of the government, i see it as a separate entity i unfortunately have to deal with because they contain corporations which i unfortunately have to deal with as well.
It's like a balance you know.
Government fucks capitalists in the ass, capitalists screech about human rights and shit, mobilizing corporate consoomer drones to fight the government in response and it's this eternal class struggle that i don't want to be a part of.
Like i said i'm neither a business owner, neither i see myself as a part of the government.
>inb4: a jew
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No. 70198 Kontra
>>70197
I didn't say you were part of government. Do you not see Russia as a nation of stiffer hierarchies? You're within the hierarchy too - willing or otherwise.
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No. 70199 Kontra
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>>70197
Is that your perception of reality? Russia is even more "hierarchic" than the west, authoritarian shitholes tend to be like that.

There is so much wrong with this post, I don't even...
>Government fucks capitalists in the ass, capitalists screech about human rights and shit, mobilizing corporate consoomer drones to fight the government...
You wot m8? Meanwhile Oligarchs and politicians steal your shite.
Son, I am disappoint

Already lads, beat the facts into his skull!
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No. 70200 Kontra
>>70198
I'm not because i don't work conventional jobs for the most part. I don't have a career whatsoever.
You could say it's a cope of some sort but i disagree.
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No. 70201 Kontra
>>70199
I don't really see anyone stealing from me.
Unless you're the kind of retard that believes that "taxation is theft" in which case i guess it's your right to believe this, but i have a different opinion.
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No. 70202 Kontra
>>70201
Whatever you say m8.
>I don't really see anyone stealing from me.
Well...
>Unless you're the kind of retard that believes that "taxation is theft"
Luckily, I am not.

So if you work some shifty jerb you are not paying taxes but using government services? Whatever, Mr. Pippi Longstocking.
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No. 70203
182 kB, 620 × 400
>>70200
Are you not subject to the authority of the Russian state? Not in the same way that a cynical character could see myself being. Sure, myself and my children will always have to deal with corruption, high taxes and a dirty political class. Elements of my government might see me and others like me as just tax paying human resources. Still, my mayor can't have me killed, I can't be imprisoned for life after a comedic farse of a trial and I certainly can't be drafted to fight a hideous fratricidal war.
In this most authoritarian fashion - you're not even human resources, you're cattle. I'm not that much of a worthless dog in the eyes of the law.

In conclusion - yes, you are within a hierarchy and you occupy the role of serf whose only recourse is his own irrelevancy and the pity of its masters.
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No. 70204 Kontra
>>70203
>Are you not subject to the authority of the Russian state?
Aren't we all subjects to the authority of the state anyway?
Yeah state exists, you gotta just deal with the fact that it exists.
At least from now on i'm not a subject to the EUROPEAN and "international" law.
Anyway i don't want some shmuck from Brussels or some irrelevant shithole in europe that calls itself "democracy" to tell me how i'm supposed to live, who i should protest against and for, what "human rights" are, what "freedom and libery" are. I think i can figure this all out myself.
As for putin bombing ukraine - whatever. Not my problem. I don't get bombed here so i don't care.
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No. 70205
250 kB, 650 × 366
>>70204
>Aren't we all subjects to the authority of the state anyway?
Yes, and in states with less rigid hierarchies, it involves being subject to taxation and the petty tyranny of the litany of regulations, provisions, fines and duties. In more rigid hierarchy states, this involves people being sodomized on camera by prison guards.

You are a fool if you think none of this affects you.
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No. 70206 Kontra
>>70205
Here's a simple solution - dont get imprisoned. If you can't achieve this, maybe you're too stupid to live anyway.
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No. 70207 Kontra
67 kB, 604 × 424
>>70206
>Here's a simple solution - dont get imprisoned. If you can't achieve this, maybe you're too stupid to live anyway.
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No. 70208
51 kB, 1000 × 1000
>>70204
Look at this brainwashed vatnik bafoon.

>At least from now on i'm not a subject to the EUROPEAN and "international" law.
You would be off better than with russian.TM "law". I feel sad for you. There future of Russia and Ukraine looks bleak. Stay healthy.
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No. 70209
>>70204
Europeons simply do not grasp what a shit is so-called 'democracy' and 'frredom' because they believe the lies in their media. Sure, Europe is great when you are an addict or a fagot or a nigger, because those are free in Europe to do as they please and they even receive government money for it. for everyone else, it is hell. We pay the highest taxes. Rents are always increasing. And soon, everything will have to be rented from giant conglomerates as private property will be abolished by pricing everything out of consumers price range. They started with homes, now, they are doing cars. Decent food is abolished, they are trying to replace meat with soy and ground-up bugs. More and more hyper-processed soy- and bug-food is appearing on super-market shelves. I wonder what will be next.

There are now shortages in flour, sugar, toilet paper, sunflower-oil, rape-seed-oil, olive-oil, lentils, pasta, beans, etc. in Germany. Last week, it was all just disappeared, and it has not been restocked. By "sanctioning Russia", warmongering politicians are only sanctioning Germany, people can not afford to hear their homes or drive their cars to work, but it all is part of the plan.
Still, dumb Peons like Portuball have been brainwashed into wanting it, because they believe the propaganda lies.

Europe will soon be a poverty-stricken warzone, when the next wave of "refugee" Africans gets invited by the green party, those refugees will see that there are no more chicken pasta for cheap and no more red Nikes for free and they will go to war to steak it, because they see it as their right to get it, their just rewards. The German economy is crumbling as I write this because energy prices are too high to keep production lines running. There will be total collapse by May.
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No. 70211 Kontra
87 kB, 960 × 880
>>70209
>There will be total collapse by May.
Thx for the laff
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No. 70212
>>70208
Watch less German government media. There are no problems in Russia. Russia has enough agricultural production and energy for it's own need.

McDonald's shit down, so what? Russia does not need McDonald's. It's foreign, too expensive and unhealthy, anyway. There can be affordable Russian did place instead. Germany has already become second America, with everything being American. There is no need to make Russia third America.
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No. 70213
332 kB, 1024 × 768
I never buy McDonalds or Burger King.

I will eat Uncle Vanya if it comes to to my place.
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No. 70214
12 kB, 180 × 248
>>70212
>Watch less German government media.
But I don't even own a TV...
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No. 70215 Kontra
269 kB, 1954 × 1382
2,9 MB, 1120 × 1345
>>70209
Frankly i think that all it takes to fuck up the West is to cause a bunch of random wars in some irrelevant countries that will cause the gargantuan amount of refugees to flood the EU/US and these refugees will finish off both by themselves all we gotta do is watch. Ukraine-Hungary is now a corridor/backdoor for the refugees to get into the EU.
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No. 70216
115 kB, 2400 × 2400
>>70211
German government thinks they can just borrow more money to pay for it, always borrow more, but it will cause hyperinflation. Then, Russia will invade and save the parts of Europe that can be saved, like upper Bavaria.

It has been predicted, by Mühl-Hiasl and by Irlmaier.
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No. 70218
  1. Facebook allows hate speech against Russians, the only used soldiers and Putin for the introduction
  2. Ukrainian refugees are now spread of Europe
  3. Just saw a report from the hungarian border, rich Ukrainians buy their way out of the military, their wifes pick them up in limousines on the hungarian side
  4. Soon Ukrainian men will come too, and they have been trained as soldiers
  5. A lot of them are moving to Germany
In essence, we are getting the entire jewish ukrainian Mafia now that worked together with CIA and MOSSAD to create this war and a potential nuclear conflict is still not from the table. Think about what will happen if individual ukrainian neonazi squads get desperate and all they can use is blackmail with nuclear powerplants.
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No. 70219
>>70216
Eastern Germany too please!

We gud comrades! Yes please Mr. Russian Comrade sir? I don't want to live under jewish american mafia terror!
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No. 70220
160 kB, 900 × 900
3,4 MB, 1280 × 720, 0:44
2,1 MB, 1280 × 720, 0:28
2,5 MB, 1280 × 720, 0:30
German Green party is full on war hawks now nuclear weapons included!
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No. 70221 Kontra
>>70220
color me surprised. I always knew that they will turn ecofascist.
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No. 70222 Kontra
252 kB, 638 × 636
>>70218
>the entire jewish ukrainian Mafia now that worked together with CIA and MOSSAD to create this war
This is EC now.
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No. 70223
>>70049
>I don't try to hide it, it's the whole point.
When vatnik is consciously being hypocrite and says things which he doesn't believe in, that's called "pidoraha on spectask". But when he doesn't even to hide it -- that's a new level of disgrace.

BTW hypocrisy is the only way to hold such views because in all possible regards west is lesser evil than Rushka. For example, first you whine about "Brussel bureaucrats telling you what to do", then ignore all the Russian repressive laws because "just obey the law" / "just don't get caught". First you're passionate freedom lover, and then you suddenly don't care about freedom at all.
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No. 70225
>>70221
>color me surprised. I always knew that they will turn ecofascist.

Nothing about eco. Really just militarization. I was hoping we could deescalate fast and go back to being buddies with Russia after the war but we just bought more nice golden collars and a ballgag for our loving relationship with big brother from beyond the pond.

It's a shitshow. Germany is becoming america's prime bitch.
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No. 70226
>>70213
I expect Dyadya Vanya to be a relative failure. They will not be able to keep up standards.
McDonald's kitchens are full of specialised equipment that is optimiser used to produce McDonald's food. So they could go on using the equipment they have (fixing it in Russian ways whenever it breaks), but it would all slowly deteriorate in quality, as they are cutoff from supply. Without the American leadership checking, they will also let their standards slide, so no more consistent quality or food-safety. It would be just like McDonald's, but worse, or worsening.

But the idea here is to also provide a cultural answer to McDonald's, so they can not produce McDonald's food. Will this enterprise they create be able to innovate to the point where they create equipment and processes to produce culturally russian-ish fast-food that can be made on demand as effectively, at consistent quality? I doubt it. Instead of the shashlik equivalent of McDonald's, it will likely be more like a cafeteria where Russians can get a bowl of watered-down (part of money allocated for ingredients went to manager's new Geely-car) borshsh or solyanka for roughly 0.7% of their monthly income. Might or might not give you food-poisening.
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No. 70227
>>70212
>>70209

And I >>70214 have to admit, you are like the confused Russian guy here, mixing truth with nonsense, well, you are either the schizo Bernd Ernst or some REICHwing conspiracy nut I guess. Marvelous, lovely, but actually pitiful.

I've been hearing about the collapse since the Syrian refugee crysis started...

>an addict or a fagot or a nigger
Ahh, you are one of those
>for everyone else, it is hell.
Yeah, totally...

>We pay the highest taxes. Rents are always increasing.
Actually true

>everything will have to be rented from giant conglomerates as private property will be abolished by pricing everything out of consumers price range.
possible

>They started with homes, now, they are doing cars.
As a service, hurrrp, yeah capitalism

>Decent food is abolished
False but the direction this is going is indeed bad

>they are trying to replace meat with soy and ground-up bugs.
What is efficiency?

>More and more hyper-processed soy- and bug-food is appearing
Yes to the soy part, no, not yet to the bug part. Silworm lipides are since forever part of cosmetics, it's actually good quality fat, make dealings

>There are now shortages in flour, sugar, toilet paper, sunflower-oil, rape-seed-oil, olive-oil, lentils, pasta, beans, etc. in Germany.
Yes, not yet, no, yes, I dunno, no, no, yes to not yet, no

>Last week, it was all just disappeared, and it has not been restocked.
Your personal experiences are not statistically relevant, opinion discarded

>By "sanctioning Russia", warmongering politicians are only sanctioning Germany
The only choice to hurt Russia without entering the armed conflict, you should at least know the arguments of your oppenents, but your ilk just does not, it is always the same.

>people can not afford to hear their homes or drive their cars to work
Well, we are getting there, sadly.

>but it all is part of the plan.
Ahhhhh, by the Illuminutsi, I GOT IT! Take your meds.

>Europe will soon be a poverty-stricken warzone
Nay

>those refugees will see that there are no more chicken pasta for cheap and no more red Nikes for free and they will go to war to steak it
Been hearing it for years, THIS YOUR FOR CERTAIN MUH CIVIL WAR. Right wingers and conspiracy nuts are retarded

>The German economy is crumbling as I write this because energy prices are too high to keep production lines running. There will be total collapse by May.
No and no, but - the economic situation is indeed getting worse. State debt, prices for energy, heating, foodstuffs are rapidly rising, yes.

>Watch less German government media. There are no problems in Russia. Russia has enough agricultural production and energy for it's own need.
Food stuff and energy wise correct, this is true but the sanctions affect more products and China wont or can't supply all the other needed goods, there are also possible proxy imports and stocked goods... People who earn their money outside of Russia but live there are already getting fucked and once goods to produce other goods run out... Russia is fucked.

>McDonald's shit down, so what? Russia does not need McDonald's too expensive and unhealthy, anyway.
All true
>It's foreign
yeah, and? BUY GERMAN BANANAS YA FAGGIT!111 Oh doge you are a pain.

>already become second America, with everything being American.
we are getting there, sadly, which is bad for the domestic money flow and quality of goods

>There is no need to make Russia third America.
wat
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No. 70228
>>70216
Kek, well, yeah, corona alone were like +20% or x1,2 denbts per year, but we will make it
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No. 70229 Kontra
55 kB, 200 × 200
>>70222
I will ignore this creature from now on, sorry Portobro, I just could not resist.
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No. 70230
>>70223
You really don't get it, do you?

I am German! I consider Russia and China the lesser evil compared to what is coming to Germany right now. The entire fucking ukrainian ruling class worked together with the CIA and MOSSAD to feed the ukrainian people to war.

That's the kind of people in charge. That's the kind of people that will now begin buying their way into the pockets of the politicians in my country. Everything will get even worse than it already is. This is literally turning every country connected to the USA into Orwells Oceania with a rich jewish inner party controlling the sheeple outer party.

They already actively practice double think here in Europe. There wasn't even any remote kind of reaction to Facebook promoting hate speech against Russians. The USA are in full control over us.
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No. 70231
>>70223
psssht, don't point out his obvious confused and insane doublethink.
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No. 70232 Kontra
>>70223
Listen i don't give a fuck about the west and people who live there. I don't think i must/should/have to treat them better than someon from nigeria or somalia or brazil for instance. These are all foreign countries and i have no connection to them and i don't care if i have any connection to them.

A life of someone from a "democratic" country in europe to me is worth as much as someone from a totalitarian monarchy in africa. I see no difference.
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No. 70233
>>70222
You know he is right.

>>70219
The seers did not say anything abou Mitteldeutschland, only that it will be a battle-field and that the Russian invasion will come through.
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No. 70234
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

2018

Lalala! I can't hear anything! Lalala! It's just antisemitism! Shut up you Nazi!
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No. 70235
51 kB, 550 × 367
>>70226
It's unclear whether it's real story:
> Russian Field LLC denies any involvement in the logo declared for registration.

I don't know how much are McDonalds headquarters involved into work of local branches. Theoretically making burgers is not some high tech: in my hometown there is tent selling burgers with same quality/price ratio. Practically they'll give expropriated eateries to someone with connections who won't even have to care about quality because he can get rid of rivals and acquire state funding with his administrative resource.

By the way there is a Russian fast food chain "Teremok", but it's a bit unpopular. Maybe because of high prices. But I like it.

Anyway, catering has no perspectives in current economic conditions. There won't be any effective demand.
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No. 70236
645 kB, 972 × 1116
>>70226
>I expect Dyadya Vanya to be a relative failure. They will not be able to keep up standards.

McDonald's standards?
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No. 70237
>>70230
>feed the ukrainian people to war.
There is no war, libtard. It's a special military operation.
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No. 70238
40 kB, 612 × 782
>>70237
nice
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No. 70239
>>70227
>Yes, not yet, no, yes, I dunno, no, no, yes to not yet, no
At least you admit that there are shortages in Germany. I did not expect this!

>Statistically relevant
Are you really stupid enough to believe in government lies?. When you stand in front of empty shelves with no lentils or beans, you think there are lentils and beans, because some government agency tells you? It's like in 1984, when they increase the chocolate ration for outer party members from 30g a week to 20g a week. Why do you keep talking for lies?

>this is true but the sanctions affect more products and China wont or can't supply all the other needed goods
Russia can produce all the food it needs, they can keep their homes heated and their stomaches full. Not the case for Germany. Who will be worse of, I wonder? What secondary products or produced goods do not come from China? Russians can get everything from there. Electronics, industrial machinery, cars, etc. This is not the 1970s.

>BUY GERMAN BANANAS YA FAGGIT!111 Oh doge you are a pain.
Why do you need bananas? Eat German fruits

>wat
This is what this is all about. America wants to conquer Russia and make it a little shit hole colony like they did Germany. Where people all work for America in one way or another and body American things like Levi's and iPhone. America wants to make the whole world American.
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No. 70240
1,7 MB, 498 × 280, 0:01
>>70237
>There is no war, libtard. It's a special military operation.

To force me to stop calling it a war, you first need to expand your sphere of influence to Germany...

That's exactly what I want, fucker!

WAR!!! IT'S A WAR!! WAAAARRR!!! WAR IN UKRAINE!!!
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No. 70241
>>70236
McDonald's has incredibly high standards. You can go to any McDonald's in the world and it will be the same experience, or as close to it as possible. Big Mac is the same around the world. This is why the Big Mac-index is only half a joke-a highly standardized product is a good yardstick to compare domestic buying power.

You also won't get salmonella from Chicken McNuggets, ever.

considering the variety of countries they operate in and their different levels of economic development and corruption, this is no small feat.
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No. 70242
The cool thing is, quite a few higher ranking Social Democrats are beginning to show their disdain for the Ukrainian leadership.

They hint towards an understanding what is actually going on there, apart from the shallow media propaganda. There is still a chance to return relations to normal.

With OPEC not increasing oil production, it seems the USA are also occupied with other problems right now.

It seems to be not going according to the plan, one might say.
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No. 70243
Why can't Germany just do independent politics, like tell poles to fuck off and eat shit, stop paying for their skycrappers and do what's good for you country instead of this pan-european crap
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No. 70244
>>70241
>You can go to any McDonald's in the world and it will be the same experience,

Beef in India?

Go! Point your fingers and laugh at the media victim! The poor idiot!

Stop watching advertisements you retard!
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No. 70245
>>70235
>Theoretically making burgers is not some high tech:
It is not high-tech at small scale. At a 900-restaurant-chain-scale, it becomes high-tech.

>Practically they'll give expropriated eateries to someone with connections who won't even have to care about quality because he can get rid of rivals and acquire state funding with his administrative resource.
Highly likely outcome.
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No. 70246
>>70243
The Americans nuke our economy harder than North Korea if we make any wrong move.

All their NGOs in Germany will suddenly transform into terrorist training cells.

You can't really move against a control system that is so tight knit.
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No. 70247
>>70245
Do you honestly believe anyone will give a shit if a burger in Wladiwostok tastes exactly the same as in Saint Petersburg?

Do you believe that will decide about success and failure of a restaurant chain?
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No. 70249
>>70248
>>70248
>>70248
>>70248
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No. 70252
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No. 70254
>>70249
Kohl reflexes?
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No. 70656
>>70222
But this is what you wanted now, no burgerposting, only posts about burgers. You got exactly the EC you asked for
Now your mother eats schnitzelposts in hell