What about it is elitist? Well I suppose a lot of us do tend to look down on just about everyone and everything. But it isn't just elitism. I think it's essentially the recognition that things could and should be so much better in so many areas and yet they remain a shit and become even more A SHIT! later on.
It tends to just completely embrace themes of death, loss, and destruction as inevitability. Also power and corruption. I think there is a very specific sort of person who gravitates towards industrial. But it isn't elitist, or at least not in the way you're implying.>>767
>and it doesn't give a shit about rules neither does it seek to make its own rules.
Bingo. And so something like corporate culture is the absolute antithesis of this, which it shares in common with punk (in fact I would argue a lot of goth culture and industrial comes directly from punk although in general industrial is kind of unique in that it and its people are quite different from typical metalheads or punks.
>They seem to like that steampunk, vandalized, run-down aesthetic. However a proper industry might be oily and greasy, but everything needs to be alright to function properly what is the whole point in the first place.
You're thinking of "industrial" like a plant manager or chief engineer; industrial music tends to think like the guy who lives in a run down apartment complex down the river from the plant, or a guy whose house is right next to the petrochemical plant.
Here is the view on "neat and tidy industrial plants" and their managershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBOhQamGGuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfW0ke4bwI4>>774
What kind of stupid shit is this? Industrial has always had a kind of satirical embrace of totalitarianism (think Rammstein sorta but not) along with a genuine deep rooted hatred of authoritarian societies. It has nothing to do with any kind of retarded mainstream right wing political sentiments.
>as the author seems to know quite a lot about the scene and was part of it himself.
It isn't really an interesting or insightful read tbh and he's mostly talking about Joy Division, which isn't industrial. The one thing I will grant you though is this was insightful
>I suppose it’s fair to say that I had a fascination with the aesthetics of Fascism but was, like most people, repelled by the ideas and practise.
Which is true, but industrial types tend to focus on forbidden things, dark things, things people just don't want to talk about etc. so there tends to also be a fascination with everything from militarism to psychopathy to especially death either on a small scale or genocidal scale, the emotions of hatred and despair, a bleaker if not at times fatalistic view of the world, the inevitability of decay and so on. It is a worldview that obsesses over those kinds of things like the micro horrors of reality on a daily basis, and the banality and total ambivalence of it like for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997lGD65WNc
is an extremely industrial tier kind of conversation and outlook, to look upon this one smashed beetle as a split second of your day and the growing dread with the realization of how completely trivial and irrelevant its suffering and death was, until all you can see in your dreams is a mountain of holocausted beetle shells threatening to swallow you whole and bury you alive. That is a typical industrial sentiment. It is also not a partisan political sentiment and the people who try to make it into one are complete fucking faggots.
Also I just tried listening to Rahowa and aside from the music being middling at best it isn't even industrial, it is metal. They sound like a cross between a hairband and death metal influences to make just a generic metal band.
Here please just at least skim this before trying to talk such nonsense and citing some random bloghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music
Shit like neofolk did not really influence industrial. Again, the dude is talking about Joy Division, not real industrial music, and mentions Rahowa, which again is not industrial. A lot of things grew out of it.
And again you have to appreciate the mindset of industrial, which is not acting like some self serious fascist dickhead or retarded agenda driven partisan political actorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHGjuOfojE Oh yeah I should probably add, there's kinda a bdsm sub current in it for some reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsG6AlNaUs&list=PL844008ED7F71998D it's really noticeable after awhilehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoACnq46i4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQD7KxutcMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iy9gHNRTNU
(although I'm not sure I'd call Rammstein industrial either)
I actually think that a lot of what it is is that industrial tends to focus on themes of dystopia and decay, and power and control, and things like haunting memories and violence and the occult and war and crime and death and such a bit more or in a more specific way.
But you will notice for example that these things are also a form of mockery as well as fascination, like Marilyn Manson is clearly not supporting the Nazis. But it is indeed definitely focused on themes of dystopia, decay, totalitarianism, death, the occult etc.