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No. 756
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Can someone enlighten me about industrial?

It seems to be somewhat elitist, but why do they always choose fucked up environments?
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No. 759
>>756
Cause its industrial, mang. Industry fucks up environment and shit.
https://youtu.be/odKf7_sA5HQ
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No. 767
>>759
But it's also usually neat and orderly, at least inside of its own parameters?

They seem to like that steampunk, vandalized, run-down aesthetic. However a proper industry might be oily and greasy, but everything needs to be alright to function properly what is the whole point in the first place.

I think I would like the industrial scene's mindset, but then I'm afraid it's full of druggie wrecks.
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No. 768
>>767
>I think I would like the industrial scene's mindset
>vandalized
I think it's post-industrial.
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No. 769
>>767
>neat and orderly, at least inside of its own parameters
True for its derivatives, like EBM or martial industrial, not so much for early industrial. It's closer to noise, musique concrete, stuff like that, and it doesn't give a shit about rules neither does it seek to make its own rules.

>I'm afraid it's full of druggie wrecks
Why worry, just listen to the music.
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No. 770
>>767
>I think I would like the industrial scene's mindset
Industrial has nothing to do with "ordnung" or anything related. It started as an art project and got dragged into dark wave / goth scenery.
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No. 774
http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/2010/11/what-ends-when-symbols-shatter-my-time.html?m=1

Interesting article about the relations between industrial, RAC and neofolk. Written by a leftist though so it contains anti-fascist butthurt but still is a quite interesting read as the author seems to know quite a lot about the scene and was part of it himself.
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No. 803
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>>774
Thanks, will read!

If there was something like "autistic industrial" I would be all over it.
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No. 821
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What about it is elitist? Well I suppose a lot of us do tend to look down on just about everyone and everything. But it isn't just elitism. I think it's essentially the recognition that things could and should be so much better in so many areas and yet they remain a shit and become even more A SHIT! later on.

It tends to just completely embrace themes of death, loss, and destruction as inevitability. Also power and corruption. I think there is a very specific sort of person who gravitates towards industrial. But it isn't elitist, or at least not in the way you're implying.

>>767
>and it doesn't give a shit about rules neither does it seek to make its own rules.
Bingo. And so something like corporate culture is the absolute antithesis of this, which it shares in common with punk (in fact I would argue a lot of goth culture and industrial comes directly from punk although in general industrial is kind of unique in that it and its people are quite different from typical metalheads or punks.

>They seem to like that steampunk, vandalized, run-down aesthetic. However a proper industry might be oily and greasy, but everything needs to be alright to function properly what is the whole point in the first place.
You're thinking of "industrial" like a plant manager or chief engineer; industrial music tends to think like the guy who lives in a run down apartment complex down the river from the plant, or a guy whose house is right next to the petrochemical plant.

Here is the view on "neat and tidy industrial plants" and their managers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBOhQamGGuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfW0ke4bwI4

>>774
What kind of stupid shit is this? Industrial has always had a kind of satirical embrace of totalitarianism (think Rammstein sorta but not) along with a genuine deep rooted hatred of authoritarian societies. It has nothing to do with any kind of retarded mainstream right wing political sentiments.

>as the author seems to know quite a lot about the scene and was part of it himself.
It isn't really an interesting or insightful read tbh and he's mostly talking about Joy Division, which isn't industrial. The one thing I will grant you though is this was insightful
>I suppose it’s fair to say that I had a fascination with the aesthetics of Fascism but was, like most people, repelled by the ideas and practise.

Which is true, but industrial types tend to focus on forbidden things, dark things, things people just don't want to talk about etc. so there tends to also be a fascination with everything from militarism to psychopathy to especially death either on a small scale or genocidal scale, the emotions of hatred and despair, a bleaker if not at times fatalistic view of the world, the inevitability of decay and so on. It is a worldview that obsesses over those kinds of things like the micro horrors of reality on a daily basis, and the banality and total ambivalence of it like for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997lGD65WNc is an extremely industrial tier kind of conversation and outlook, to look upon this one smashed beetle as a split second of your day and the growing dread with the realization of how completely trivial and irrelevant its suffering and death was, until all you can see in your dreams is a mountain of holocausted beetle shells threatening to swallow you whole and bury you alive. That is a typical industrial sentiment. It is also not a partisan political sentiment and the people who try to make it into one are complete fucking faggots.

Also I just tried listening to Rahowa and aside from the music being middling at best it isn't even industrial, it is metal. They sound like a cross between a hairband and death metal influences to make just a generic metal band.

Here please just at least skim this before trying to talk such nonsense and citing some random blog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music
Shit like neofolk did not really influence industrial. Again, the dude is talking about Joy Division, not real industrial music, and mentions Rahowa, which again is not industrial. A lot of things grew out of it.

And again you have to appreciate the mindset of industrial, which is not acting like some self serious fascist dickhead or retarded agenda driven partisan political actor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHGjuOfojE Oh yeah I should probably add, there's kinda a bdsm sub current in it for some reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsG6AlNaUs&list=PL844008ED7F71998D it's really noticeable after awhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoACnq46i4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQD7KxutcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iy9gHNRTNU (although I'm not sure I'd call Rammstein industrial either)

I actually think that a lot of what it is is that industrial tends to focus on themes of dystopia and decay, and power and control, and things like haunting memories and violence and the occult and war and crime and death and such a bit more or in a more specific way.

But you will notice for example that these things are also a form of mockery as well as fascination, like Marilyn Manson is clearly not supporting the Nazis. But it is indeed definitely focused on themes of dystopia, decay, totalitarianism, death, the occult etc.
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No. 822
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>>821
What the shit, how limited are my downloads? Does this mean EC can't actually host large file uploads anymore?
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No. 858
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>>756
Industrial has that elitists vibe from the start because it was a genre that was created by avantgardist and mostly anti-commercial artists back in the 70s.

>>767
>They seem to like that steampunk, vandalized, run-down aesthetic.

Given that it is an artstyle from the 70s it shouldn't be too surprising that it shares some attitudes and narratives with the Punk movement.

>>821
>Industrial has always had a kind of satirical embrace of totalitarianism, along with a genuine deep rooted hatred of authoritarian societies. It has nothing to do with any kind of retarded mainstream right wing

Nazis never understood that, they always believed industrial artists would want to express their admiration and sympathy for authoritarianism if they for instance shouted "Tanz den Mussolini, Tanz den Adolf Hitler!"
Same goes for typical provocative outfits.
It seems as the new sjw-left has finally managed to reach the same level of thoughtlessness and stupidity as their supposed counterparts.
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No. 892
>>858
This is one of the funny things I've noticed. The more extreme and tyrannical a person becomes, often particularly extreme right wing types (extreme nationalist, militarist etc like Iranian Mullahs are right wing) the less they seem able to perceive satire
https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/27/world/asia/north-korea-china-onion/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-20518929
The article
https://www.theonion.com/kim-jong-un-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for-2012-1819574194

Same thing with Colbert
http://www.newser.com/story/57378/republicans-think-colberts-serious-study.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/colbert-study-conservativ_n_191899.html

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1940161208330904

>This study investigated biased message processing of political satire in The Colbert Report and the influence of political ideology on perceptions of Stephen Colbert. Results indicate that political ideology influences biased processing of ambiguous political messages and source in late-night comedy. Using data from an experiment (N = 332), we found that individual-level political ideology significantly predicted perceptions of Colbert's political ideology. Additionally, there was no significant difference between the groups in thinking Colbert was funny, but conservatives were more likely to report that Colbert only pretends to be joking and genuinely meant what he said while liberals were more likely to report that Colbert used satire and was not serious when offering political statements. Conservatism also significantly predicted perceptions that Colbert disliked liberalism. Finally, a post hoc analysis revealed that perceptions of Colbert's political opinions fully mediated the relationship between political ideology and individual-level opinion.
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No. 894 Kontra
>>858
Oh yeah shit almost forgot

>It seems as the new sjw-left has finally managed to reach the same level of thoughtlessness and stupidity as their supposed counterparts.
Bingo exactly.
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No. 953
Some guys have been insulting me, because I, a DJ, was playing Straftanz and DAF

An actual punk started to laugh about those retarded sjws.

That was my blogpost
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No. 965
>>953
Should've just said that DAF is fronted by a gay Mexican and watch their reaction.
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No. 969 Kontra
>>892
>The more extreme and tyrannical a person becomes, the less they seem able to perceive satire

I noticed that, too.
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No. 13650
Industrial aesthetics=urban decay
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No. 13670
>>892
>The more extreme and tyrannical a person becomes, often particularly extreme right wing types (extreme nationalist, militarist etc like Iranian Mullahs are right wing) the less they seem able to perceive satire
This phenomenon is called "Poe's law".
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No. 13675
>>13670
Wasn't Poes Law just "IQ 89s don't understand written language so please use smileys"?
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No. 13681
>>13675
I think Poe's Law was originally written regarding Christian fundies, that no matter how ridiculous or obviously satirical something is meant to be, people will interpret it as the actual words and beliefs of a genuine fanatic.
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No. 13745
>>767
Is more than that

Check Mental Destruction, Azure Skies, Esplendor Geométrico, les Joyaux de la Princesse, Laibach for different pictorial approaches
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No. 13787
>>13745
I keep seeing this post with pic name as the title and thinking it's some sort of loading error and it's really bothering me
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No. 13792 Kontra
>>767
I have no experience regarding drugs in the industrial scene and I was a little bit into it so far.

Drugs you'll find with Techno people. Punk/Rock/Metal people are also way into booze.
The must drug wrecked scene I encountered so far, is the Antifa. toplel. (I was not part of the latter don't worry)