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No. 77576 Systemkontra
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Previous >>77032
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No. 77578
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>>77575
EC is a think-tank without proper funding. This needs to be fixed.
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OK, you was the first. Congratulations.
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No. 77580 Kontra
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>>77579
I did it completely out of spite for these Germans competing over who gets to initiate the threda :D
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No. 77581
>>77580
Bravo, OP.
Also - nice swamp!
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>>77557
Have you considered converting to Islam? Unlike Marxism this teaching hasn't proved itself to be false. And supporting ayatollah will make much more sense than just doing in spite of Amerika.
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>>77580
While deciding on an image, I knew already I probably take too long making a choice and you will open one instead and I was right :(
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No. 77588
>>77584
Next time, decide BEFORE the Systemkontra is reached.
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No. 77591
A random phone number just texted me a video. The thumbnail looks like two people fighting in a crowd. D-do I click?
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No. 77593
How far back do you think society has to regress so that "economists" of all kind will have become useless?

Like, Europe was pretty much in ruins and ashes after WW2, but before, there were people doing bank stuff with investments and shit, and after, there quickly was bank stuff and investments again (maybe the economy people even profited from the destruction).

But obviously if the entirety of humanity is bombed back to the stone age or such, economists will be utterly useless.

So where is the magic threshold?
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No. 77594
>>77591
Is there any way that file contains a virus?
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No. 77596
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>>77594
Probably. Not worth the risk; I'll delete and block.
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No. 77597
>>77593
>So where is the magic threshold?
We would have to be fighting for food in forests for the banking class to finally give up and get their hands dirty with honest work.
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No. 77598
>>77593
Cynical answer 1: Society does not need to regress for that to happen, economists are inherently useless.
Cynical answer 2: society has already regressed to that point.
Realist answer: we trace back economics to Malthus and Ricardo. As Swabian, I would love to name our famous national economist Friedrich List. So late 18th/early 20th century is when economics started to become useful, this is where it will end being useful. Once we don't have machines powered by anything but animal or human muscle, economics will become useless again.
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No. 77599
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Made pancakes. Time to destroy them.

>>77581
Thank you. I bet your home is lovely as well!

>>77584
To be fair I embarked on my quest to create the thread well after the systemkontra since I noticed that you hadn't made a new threda yet. And I was browsing around to find a decent picture for a good while. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
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No. 77602
>>77593
>Europe was pretty much in ruins and ashes after WW2, but before, there were people doing bank stuff with investments and shit, and after, there quickly was bank stuff and investments again
Yes and no. Germany was pretty destroyed, but it was not total destruction. For one, most of the know-how was still there. And when a big plant is bombed into an in-operative state, that does usually not render all it's components in-operative. For example, you might still have a running lathe, two drive motors, but no more conveyor-system. You still have access to one pre-cursor product in a limited amount, but the other comes from a plant that is now in a different occupational zone. Your mechanics and engineers still have all their tools, because they packed them in their lunch bags, took them home and hid them when the French approached. You would have electricity to run it all, but only for two hours a day, since an important line was broken, and so on.
From a Preis operative View, the German economy up until 1949 was busy putting the working pieces in the rubble together to produce something, anything. It was not a re-start from scratch.
The czechoslovaks had the theoretical chance to do the same, but they got communism.
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No. 77603 Kontra
Harvested five tomatoes.
Translated 4 lines from the Han Feizi.
Slept 5 hours in the middle of the day.
I'm falling apart again.
Probably not gonna finish Against Nature. I somehow find it repulsive.

My father brought home a soda machine and four bottles for it. I looked at one of the bottles and it was ever so slightly crooked. Or bent. It was driving me crazy. Initially I suspected a manufacturing error. Then I thought that it might be an oppressive conspiracy on the part of the Americans to demoralize the world this way too.
But no, it's just a manufacturing error.
I think I had a very weird and paranoid moment there. Probably the coffee.

Gonna start work tomorrow. Gonna go to bed early because I need to make some sandwiches.

>>77582
You are joking but I've flirted with the idea on a surface level a few times.
But then again my idea of a good foreign policy is spiting America.

>>77593
My knowledge of economics is limited, but the magic threshold really is political fragmentation.
Basically the less order there, is the more dangerous trade will become, the more dangerous trade is, the more limited it becomes, the more limited it becomes the more regions sink back into sustenance production as best as they can, sustenance production means the breakdown of the flow of wares and with it the end of the flow of money, which reinforces this thing.
If I recall correctly, the Roman empire experienced something similar in its later stages, when it degraded from a money based trading economy into a collection of regional sustenance economies using barter.
So it all comes do the question: Is there a strong enough authority or alliance of authorities who can issue currency and then protect the routes on which these currencies flow?
If there is, then yes, there will be money lending/banking class, like there was one in Rome and later in Italy and then the west.
Even if you institutionally forbid interest like Islam does, it'll emerge, they will just have "service costs" instead of "interest".

Generally speaking it's good to have banks if you want a more complex economic structures. Having the banks dictate economy policy, not so much.
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No. 77606 Kontra
>>77603
Yeah I’m definitely not doing fine based on the English in that post lmao.
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No. 77609
>>77580
>for these Germans competing over who gets to initiate the threda
There is only one germans always prematurely threading, I only did it once just to troll him.
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No. 77611
>>77609
At least two. Because I'm one of them. Then again, I'm really glad that I don't stand out and can hide behind others.
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No. 77612 Kontra
I posted both >>77609 and >>77611, there is only one German on /int/
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No. 77613
>>77612
>there is only one German on /int/
This is true if I may samefag here for a moment. Also my cock is really, REALLY small.
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No. 77616 Kontra
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Yes, we get it Germans, you are one.
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No. 77619
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>>77599
>cancermp4why
Finlan, why.

I made some [old] ancient immigrant neighbours happy, praise me. Tbh I find them annoying, no education besides Koran school or whatever and they do not know about German law... Or the language, so I played help helper with the help of my hands and feet. Yeah, no one would expect you to learn German within 3 decades or so.
t.otally an angel
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No. 77621 Kontra
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>>77619
Sorry sweety but it's not cancer, it's culture!
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No. 77623 Kontra
>>77621
Hun, speed Schnappi or any kind of Schnappi makes my ears bleed.
t. sweety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3FG4EOgyU
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No. 77626
ok, now I get why people don't like emotionally dull assburgers like myself.

one of my direct supervisors is a dull emotionless autist, and it's really annoying trying to read him socially to see if you're getting away with some shit, or if he's actually aware, suspecting, or annoyed with you, etc.

I've taken it for granted that I can exploit other people sociability while not revealing any strategic information from my side, but now I have to deal with this fucker.
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No. 77628
On Wednesday last week, temperatures in Hamburg reached a record 39–40°C despite proximity to the North Sea.
Tonight, everything was back in the single digits, for example 7½° at the airport.

>>77619
>cancer
I think it's cute.
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No. 77629
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>>77628
I commuted via Bike to work and it was damm cold. It was very early in the morning and even with a jacket, it was cold. Greta, please explain this to me
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No. 77630
>>77603
It seems that as soon as banks and financial activity exists, they accumulate wealth and, by extension, power, by design.

So having banks is a consequence of not living in a country where you are in danger of getting stabbed on the street?

So learning the basics of how to make more money by dealing with money is something you could put to use in any situation except maybe in tribal societies?

Mad props go out to Islam for at least detecting that it's equivalent to societal leeches and attempting to stamp it out. But then people will still learn how to deal with money and how to navigate those sadly arbitrary laws in order to do exactly the same thing all over again...

It really fills me with dread about society itself. I guess the purest way to deal with it would be learning a trade or some kind of production that is really specialised and enables you to create universal value from scratch. But nature dictates that, no matter how good you are at it, you will never be part of that society that siphons off all the nicest goods created by society because the money jugglers will always have more - by design.

Sad.jpeg
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No. 77631
>>77629
While I think this is a joke it makes me question leaving humans unsupervised because some people will actually think like that and think it's a killing argument. Technocracy and governments are helpful for that I have to admit.

Luckily it was a bit colder yesterday here as well.

t. northerner in another part of Germany
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No. 77633
I'm reading to draft a student paper and stumbled across this

>Alas, the slow, graceful coevolution of people and environment, and of the tools, artifacts, and games that we have designed, no longer holds. Each generation benefits from the one before, and the accumulated knowledge leads to more rapid change. We benefit greatly from this cumulative buildup of knowledge, but the price we pay is that each succeeding generation has more and more to learn. [Norman 1999 or 97, 145]

I think it is interesting and could explain a rise in student numbers after WW2. I think this is probably especially true for natural sciences where the application is the (probably externally forced) main goal these days (and not so much foundational research). But also for something like psychology and others. Namely, in a world based largely on engineering paradigms (problem solving, control) things like psychology have to be taught in order to have people that do controlling tasks. The so-called managerial class is just that: jobs that are concerned with regulating things, regulating systems of all kinds. I mean it's quite abstract, perhaps I'm too focused on system's knowledge and don't see other explanations. But I think one reason could be what the quote says but extending this into a realm that might not be so much thought of.
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No. 77638
>>77633
I think arts also has this thing where every year adds new works of art, and people are often busy enough keeping up with those newer developments, so they cannot reasonably be expected to also educate themselves about all previous art to the same degree as the preceding generation. As time passes, an artwork or style does not degrade in absolute value, but there is an inflation of sorts about the relative space it will occupy in the average student's knowledge. But in arts, this is probably much less of a factor in the number of students in higher education than it is in applied sciences. But but, artworks never really become obsolete, probably unlike some outdated applied technologies that students no longer need to learn.
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No. 77639
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>>77630
>It seems that as soon as banks and financial activity exists, they accumulate wealth and, by extension, power, by design.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

>So learning the basics of how to make more money by dealing with money
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/index.htm

>But then people will still learn how to deal with money and how to navigate those sadly arbitrary laws (this quote taken out of context because volume 3 is full of half finished development of theoretical laws that Marx was working on before he died, and I thought it made an ebin punchline)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/
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No. 77641
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>>77548
>So I travel illegally to Germany, show up at your house, and bring you a gift. The next day, I sing a serenade under your windows. The next day, I buy you a plush tiger and invite you to come with me to the Tropical Island (tm).
I wouldn't mind if someone does it. So if some of you had such plans but were too modest to ask about my address (for a tiger delivery), don't be shy, go ahead.

>>77531
>My main stereotype about Latin American cuisines is that they're more meat-oriented.
"Argentinian stakes" is a known thing, yes.

>>77541
>Spanish teacher for foreign students and call centers from home
Are there a lot of foreign students in Colombia? Aren't majority of them from Spanish-speaking countries? (except maybe Brazilians)

>Cassava is more popular here, but the typical lunch would be rice and chicken and fried cooking plantains or pasta alla bolognesa, and arepa (corn pancakes?) for breakfast plus coffee
I've never heard about cassava before. It's hard to find it here. Usually people eat potato instead. Batat (sweetpotato) became available recently but it's unpopular. Do South-Americans eat usual potatoes?

>Religious stuff, the weirdest thing would be santería (like voodoo but not so hard-core) it's more common in the coasts
That's creepy! Not as creepy as Santa Muerte (which is more Central-American thing?) though.

>Politics... not sure what do you want to know
Weird ideologies, conspiracy theories like >>66021 for example.

>The stereotypes Peruvians / Colombias have about us are "lazy and violent people" from what I've seen
Was this stereotype a thing before mass migration from Venezuela?
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No. 77643
I have spent some time outside of Europe a while ago, and ever since coming back I feel that my perspective has been broken. I see that the government is a crew of clowns - ok everyone sees that, but at the same time, they still take every new law and order serious as fuck and will act like their very own life depends on everyone sticking to every letter of the law. The laws themselves boil down to an absolute nanny state that singlehandedly puts people in tighter boxes each iteration and tell them it's a privilege that things that are normal literally everywhere else are VERBOTEN and pretend that the newest technological toy that has no use at all and will expire in not even half a year was what life is really about.

Them they are all surprisedPikachu about mental illnesses and even while priding themselves with Le medical system are absolutely incapable of treating them because they themselves have no vision of life that goes beyond next quartal and it's profits.

I seriously think emigrating would be a sensible and healthy choice.
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No. 77644
>>77643
>things that are normal literally everywhere else are VERBOTEN
Can you give us examples?

>>77641
If you send me your address, I will try to send you ancient Lusitan artifacts of great power via post.
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No. 77647
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Work went well enough, but I'm tired as fuck.
Got a 300HUF raise compared to last year, plus the cantina prices are the same.
Finally figured out how to enter the data without having to touch the mouse, so I'm working much faster now. (Supervisor said I'm like a "machinegun".)
I feel like I could eat a horse, even though I had a good lunch. And a good dinner before finishing this post.
Only objective before bed is maybe reading some and washing my hair. Honestly I felt like I looked remarkably good today.
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No. 77654
>>77644
Keeping some chickens in your yard

Or, notorious Vienna example, deciding you don't like the tree in your yard and cutting it down

Building something on your land without consulting an architect first

Driving sub-state of the art vehicles

Riding on the back part of a pickup

Modifying your vehicle in the slightest ways

Buying medication beyond ibu 400

Starting a business without some upfront legal shenanigans that will set you back at least € 25.000

Catching crabs, even some that are declared an invasive species and a problem to nature

This is just from the top of my heda
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No. 77655
>>77633
Is that surprising or anything?
It's just the inversion of the old discussion
>people in the middle ages were dumber than us today
>no, they just quite literally knew less than we know today
Or, in other words, to become a "universal scholar" in say the 18th century there was way less to be learned in total, so a regular human could actually achieve it, whereas today you can fill a lifetime with any given field.
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No. 77657
The battery in my mouse is dying and yet chooses to waste what precious life remains by flashing a red led alert. Sad. Like he's calling for help. And I'm the only one who can hear.

....

Alright, my conscience can't take this. I'll get new battery. Hang in there mouse-bro.
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No. 77658 Kontra
>>77657
>cordless
You deserve it. All and anything.
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No. 77659
>>77655
It's not new, just set in relation to another phenomenon. The quote that contains an argument of an old discussion is just the springboard for another thought. So yeah, this book from 1998 (looked it up now) was not discussing a groundbreaking thought never thought before. But that was not the main point.

As another German hinted, the cumulative aspect might be faulty anyway though if taken as strict, since knowledge vanishes, dies off as labeled wrong, and becomes maybe saved on paper in some peripheral archive, more or less. Would be interesting to compare uni classes and content over a span of the last 200 years.
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No. 77661
>>77659
>Would be interesting to compare uni classes and content over a span of the last 200 years.
Shouldn't that be possible, at least in Germany? We have unis dating back to the middle ages, certainly there must be some records.
I even wouldn't be surprised if someone has already something like that, at least for law, history, theology and other ancient fields.
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>>77658
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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No. 77664
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>>77662
Fun fact: I have been using a cordless keyboard for the past months. I had a cordless mouse 20 years ago (which was absolute shite) or so and assumed technology had improved.

So anyway, I started noticing doubling and extreme lags and shitty responsiveness in general. I thought it was the batteries, so I changed them.
It didn't help, at all. Then I connected a wired keyboard. Difference like day and night. Felt like I had been boxing underwater before.
So what I am saying is:

FUCK CORDLESS MICE AND FUCK CORDLESS KEYBOARDS AND FUCK CORDLESS USERS AND FUCK BERYLLIUM
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No. 77665
>>77641
>Politics... not sure what do you want to know
>
>Weird ideologies, conspiracy theories like >>66021 for example.
Why the fuck am I reading
And no shit Sherlock: reading the threda makes me suspect Bernd(s) may be slightly insane, doge wat doned.
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No. 77666
>>77665
>Bernd(s)
Did you take a wrong exit somewhere?
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No. 77667
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>>77654
I'd say it's a generally good thing most of the stuff you listed is regulated in some way. Where were you specifically that allows all these things? I feel like most places that do not regulate these are shitholes and only made worse by the lax laws. But I'm interested in changing my mind about this. I need all the fuel available for my hate towards the nanny state's too high degree of regulation in general.

>Starting a business without some upfront legal shenanigans that will set you back at least € 25.000
What do you mean by this? In Finland it costs a hundred euros to register a LLC equivalent and another hundred to set up a bank account. Where does the remaining 24 800€ come from in Austria?

>>77664
My laugh is the very biggest. I guess a wireless mouse could be nice with a laptop if you use it on the go a lot. A wireless keyboard is only to be used from the couch. If you do not fulfill these criteria, stay away from wireless input devices. It's not that difficult. My wired keyboard from 2010 still works great. Though some keys like WASD have changed their shape a bit. Just like the stone stairs of a very old tourist attraction.
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No. 77668
>>77661
I could imagine records exist but if these are really that consistent over the years would be another question. Many universities have been built just in the last century, though. Perhaps the model of studying is vastly different from today. But perhaps in physics, the whole topics are covered roughly in the same order (mechanics etc.)? Don't know since today you have to already specialize even your BA I think.
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No. 77670
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Took this picture at the London natural history museum. I thought it fitted the spirit of EC serious discussions.
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No. 77671
>>77667
That's exactly my point, we spend all our lives thinking every country that does not follow our ruleset is a shit hole, but after all, have you ever been in a supposed shit hole? Sure, they have slums and such, because society is not regulated to death, but I'm sure you would not be happy visiting the state-mandated flats for the bottom end of society here as well. Luckily you have options and can navigate those countries freely and not spend your time in the worst corners of it, and surprise, people there also just want to live nicely and create their environments based on their abilities, and so you don't have a sterile cookie cutter environment that barely manages to keep the lowest denominator, but an actually vibrant and diverse surrounding (what governments here try to advertise with, what always, always turns out shitty) and if you walk through them, you basically have a brand new experience every 5 minutes and can choose what you like best.

Of course it makes things more difficult to navigate. That's a good thing. No one wants to play a game where you can't possibly lose.

If you really want to see why your country sucks balls (or mine, or any western one for that matter), just spend a few weeks in one of the emerging markets megacities. You will not regret it, I promise. Of course it is what you now perceive as shitholeish, but you will soon realize that this is not at all bad per se, and that you have been brainwashed.

And did I mention how happy the people are? Even if they live on the short end of the stick? You will come back and see how absolutely miserable everyone here is. It's truly horrible.

Yeah creating a business in Austria is fucking expensive, they need the money as a basis for the legal entity that you must create. Also, everything surrounding mandatory insurance and such is fucking expensive as well.
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No. 77675
Today I am having my last day at work. Going on holidays for two weeks.
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No. 77677
https://searx.tiekoetter.com/search?q=%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2&category_images=on&language=en-US&time_range=&safesearch=0&theme=simple

My cousin's programming tutor is a disgusting middle aged weeb.
Apparently, his favorite manga is something called "highschool of the elite"
I checked out her study group as well, and all of the guys there are also faggot weebs with anime profiles.

You know, I used to think that my uncles were cringe for being wannabe muslim traditional patriarchs, but I have changed my mind.
She needs to be wrapped in a burqa and kept at home, away from those fucking degenerates.

Also, they didn't teach her shit and then gave her an olympiad level test, which I had to cheat for her inbetween working.

She's fucking retarded as well, still can't figure out how to install xcode on her stupid macbook.
Everyone told me apple products just work, but her stupid laptop has an older version of macos that she can't upgrade, but xcode on the app store doesn't support it, so you have to do some manual install fuckery.

fuck her tutor for not teaching her how to set up a dev environment on macos as well, it's his fucking job.

and most of all, fuck her nouveau-riche auntie who bought her a 2 year old macbook because she's too stupid to know that all of the electronics that are on display in a store are out of date specifically so that dumb rubes like her buy obsolete trash, and you have to specifically ask them for the newest model which they bring out the back.
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No. 77678
>>77677
God damn it I accidentally made her the top entrant.

Apparently everyone in her study group is retarded as well.
fuck.
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No. 77679
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>>77677
Wait, I thought you were a weeb too?
Also, your anger won't make them less retarded.
Teach her some witchcraft and have her poison them.
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No. 77681
>>77679
>Wait, I thought you were a weeb too?
For this, I keel you.
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No. 77682
>>77677
What is "Pinterest" by the way? I sometimes get results from there when search for images.
Why upload there anime pics (especially under your real name)?
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No. 77683
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>>77682
It's like a social media platform where you can make picture albums, but more like picture notes like in those kanban note taking programs, + probably some recommendation engine.
It's crap for people to dump and organize their pictures, I have no idea why it consistently keeps getting to the top of search results.

As for why real name, it's because normies don't know about internet hygiene, so they input their personal email account into any registration form, which just puts their real name into the profile automatically.

t. still using my xXxPwnMasterXxx type handle I made when I was a teenager on every website
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No. 77684
>>77682
>What is "Pinterest" by the way? I sometimes get results from there when search for images.
Install search filter-plugin, enter:

# SPAM - never show these results
experts-exchange.com
pinterest.com
pinterest.de
alamy.com
shutterstock.com
dreamstime.com
123rf.com
camstockphoto.com
depositphotos.com


and feel your life quality improve instantly. Only downside: It will still show those shitheads when you click an image and it shows related results, sadly it only applies to the base search.
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No. 77685 Kontra
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>>77679
>Wait, I thought you were a weeb too?
He is lying, it's the truth!
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No. 77686
>>77685
What are Brick's favorite titles?
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No. 77689
>>77685
One more question: He posts in /b/?
So he speaks at least 4 languages including German. Polyglot, artist, IT, philosophy and anime expert. A man of Renaissance.
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No. 77690
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>>77671
>That's exactly my point, we spend all our lives thinking every country that does not follow our ruleset is a shit hole, but after all, have you ever been in a supposed shit hole?
Yes I have. And you have it the wrong way around. Shitholes are not created by lack of regulation, but lack of regulation stems from being a shithole. I'm sure you can imagine how whatever shithole you've been to(sad that we're still talking on so vague terms as you don't want to disclose where you were) will transform as wealth accumulates.

>Sure, they have slums and such, because society is not regulated to death, but I'm sure you would not be happy visiting the state-mandated flats for the bottom end of society here as well.
I've visited Finnish equivalents and they seem just fine. You might have to use a communal washing machine and wash dishes by hand but it's nothing like living in a slum. If Austria is different can you mention a specific area that I perhaps could even visit once I'm around?

>Luckily you have options and can navigate those countries freely and not spend your time in the worst corners of it, and surprise, people there also just want to live nicely and create their environments based on their abilities, and so you don't have a sterile cookie cutter environment that barely manages to keep the lowest denominator, but an actually vibrant and diverse surrounding (what governments here try to advertise with, what always, always turns out shitty) and if you walk through them, you basically have a brand new experience every 5 minutes and can choose what you like best.
Yes as a wealthy Wectener you can avoid the worst of the worst places and hop around having a good time without any troubles. This is fine. But hardly makes for a good place to live for the majority of people. In my opinion.

>If you really want to see why your country sucks balls (or mine, or any western one for that matter), just spend a few weeks in one of the emerging markets megacities. You will not regret it, I promise. Of course it is what you now perceive as shitholeish, but you will soon realize that this is not at all bad per se, and that you have been brainwashed.
During the few weeks you'll have a great time. It's like a honeymoon phase. Live there for a couple of years and you'll start to see that maybe your home country isn't that bad after all. Though that is only something I've heard from friends. I haven't lived in "shitholes" for years personally. But you can think of how different scenarios regarding your physical well being would play like in different sorts of places. That will be something you'll appreciate once it becomes relevant. On a short vacation it rarely matters.

>>77677
>Everyone told me apple products just work, but her stupid laptop has an older version of macos that she can't upgrade, but xcode on the app store doesn't support it, so you have to do some manual install fuckery.
Last time she had a M1 Macbook. How come you can't upgrade MacOs on that?
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No. 77691
>>77677
>apple products just work
They do if you pay up for a newer model.
My father did something similar with a used iMac and this is the price you pay for wanting a status symbol item without paying the luxury tax.
iOS is a bit better in my experience in this regard.
But generally speaking, it's an (very fucking) expensive but comfortable thing.
t.Applefag with iPhone and iPad.

>Apparently, his favorite manga is something called "highschool of the elite"
Had a hearty chuckle. That's one of those high school mangas with a brooding "le 2 smart to have social life" protagonists that have the world fall for them.
Guy probably self-inserts like crazy.

>tutor
Privately hired or public school?
If public school, forget it. Like here there was a golden age of IT teachers in the late 90s and early 2000s who would do shit like the one you mentioned.
(Plus they'd let students who were interested run wild and try their hands at installing OS-es and maintaining networks, so you'd have kids leaving highs school with years of experience in network management if they gave a shit.)
Good job on making her place first though.
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No. 77692 Kontra
881 kB, 520 × 720, 0:12
Friday agaisnt. Enjoy the weekend, Ernst.

>>77689
You forgot the most important one - thinker.
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No. 77693
372 kB, 599 × 396
I was mowing the lawn and swallowed a bug. What is the evolutionary purpose of flying into a predator's mouth?

>>77667
>loves wires
Exactly the response I would expect from this cat.
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No. 77694
43 kB, 753 × 334
>>77690
>Last time she had a M1 Macbook. How come you can't upgrade MacOs on that?
Ok, one and a half year old macbook. Pedant.
And maybe she technically can, but practically can not, due to computer illiteracy. Same outcome.
>>77689
No, I don't know german. Other than 1 year of german classes in first year of uni I forgot already.
It's more like we have a /b/ehindered spy who posts on /int/, and as we all know, everyone on /b/ is an anime degenerate (they even have an anime porn general).

>>77691
It's a course associated with and officially endorsed by the shitty university she's applying to. The whole thing smells of a scam where they'll present it as something semi-official, but it's just a dude with a webcam. They didn't even have their own online test platform, and used https://codeforces.com/ (to be fair, it's one of the better "programming challenge" platforms)
You know an IT college is crap when they don't even have their own infrastructure.

>That's one of those high school mangas with a brooding "le 2 smart to have social life" protagonists that have the world fall for them.
I don't get why you wouldn't just go all the way and start reading porn VNs at that point. Same shit, but less hypocritical.

>>77686
Oneechan pantsu monogotari vol VII (extra kawaii edition).
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No. 77695
155 kB, 1346 × 654
>>77694
>Ok, one and a half year old macbook. Pedant.
Hardly anything to do with being pedantic. You're putting blame on glorious software for something that is purely a stupid meatbag issue. You should once again know better.

>And maybe she technically can, but practically can not, due to computer illiteracy. Same outcome.
I've never used MacOS but the process looks about as difficult as with Apples mobile devices(very easy). Makes me feel uneasy that someone who can't manage this process is going to be doing any sort of work with computers other than pushing big colored buttons on a PoS device in a corner store.

The instructions:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201541
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No. 77696
498 kB, 720 × 540
I hate bluetooth, so I ordered a usb-c headphone. Jesus christ I'm back in the early 2000 with 70 fucking cables for things, but this time it's a generational difference.
Don't have much issue with these bluetooth headphones, except for the fact that for some reason whenever I connect them the wifi seems to shit itself, plus when the screen is too bright it has a very slight beeping sound, which I haven't heard since the time we switched from tube-based TVs and moved to a bigger house. (Nothing better than spending most of the day hearing the tv ever so slightly beep permanently because someone is watching it. Truth be told I might be a bit nostalgic for the old place. Sometimes I feel the bed around me when I think about it. Even if they were hard times.)
Interestingly enough ordering from a random "rural" store in Debrecen is cheaper (even with on pick-up payment) than one of the "le efficient superwebstores" they have here.
My father's gonna call me an idiot if he sees the wired headphones.

I realized that very fast music is better for staying awake and alert than coffee. Basically I spent like half the day listening to jungle, dnb and phonk.
Had schnitzel for lunch. Two of them. They weren't the size of my head but they were bigger than my hands still.
Honestly, my appetite is great. Can't really describe it. But I'm hungry, and it's healthy hunger I'm feeling, and afterwards, I feel a healthy fullness.
And I'm not even tired all that much.
I think I'll get some work done tonight.

Also got paid for the two days. It's a good pay imho. Well, I wouldn't be doing this otherwise. Even if the company that uses the company I work for as a subcontractor is an incapable mess sometimes.
Like "hey, don't approve this and this type of product for the bonus points, because it'll count the wrong points, so we will need to approve later once IT fixes it. Oh and also IT can't just retroactively do it in the database because don't ask me I'm just a manager and contact between the companies. I don't know why IT can't get IT things done."
Bullshit.

>>77693
Nothing. Bugs don't "think" or interpret their surroundings very deeply.
They are stupid as fuck because their nervous system is basic and they react only to a very simple set of inherited inputs.
It had a happy little accident and went down your throat. Don't think that it was part of some grander vision on the bug's part.

>>77694
>university bootcamps
Heard about those. Never went to one.
Honestly, if it's good, it's imbalanced, at least here, because they offer training in Budapest for Budapest + agglomeration students who already get the "best" ""schooling"" this shithole can offer, so it's just further disadvantaging the few actually capable country bumpkins, but yea, it's most likely a scam.
(I don't hate ruralites or anything, but it's a different world down there. The older I get the more I realize this.)

>why not read porn
Don't laugh but I guess it's a bit more emotionally fulfilling to read a romance than read a romance with an explicite end.
Maybe I'm just too soft in the head at this point, but I'd say they fill different niches in the interaction-ecosystem. One is pseudo-socialisation, one is pseudo-sex.

>>77682
It's a shit tier website for HR tards and other assorted worthless busybodies working in offices "with people" to "gather inspiration and ideas" by assembling images based on a topic.
I usually just add a "-pinterest" to my image searches to get rid of it.
I don't think it does anything google images doesn't already do.
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No. 77697
643 kB, 1022 × 731
>>77671
>see how absolutely miserable everyone here is
I think you're projecting a lot if you think miserable people in Mitteleuropa are miserable because overregulation. Everyone may have their own reasons, which may be the opposite of yours. I have my own which are different from yours. One is that regulations exist on paper but aren't enforced. Various authorities show an unwillingness to act if you point out infractions to them, even if you offer help. And fig-leaf institutions like Verbraucherzentralen are understaffed and underfunded, and use what little resources they have for ridiculous purposes like ranting about some amount of air in crisps packs, or that a reduction in weight is not being communicated to the consumer other than the new weight being clearly printed on the package. I feel helpless because various authorities that ostensibly exist to have my back don't do anything for me when I ask them to. And some things are out of reach, for example because the offending party doxxing private information about me and whose "data officer", if they really exist, is ignoring my requests to delete my personal information, is located in Israel (myheritage). Thanks for skimming through my rant.

>>77694
You should check out VIII and IX, they have better character design and more convincing plots.

>>77691
>Good job on making her place first
Have you read the part where
>I had to cheat for her
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No. 77698
>>77694
>(they even have an anime porn general).
That's not true. They have a general porn/smut thread (so far 3D only) and two different thread with anime girls, one of which is about selfies, but there's hardly any porn there. In fact, most of those pictures are pretty boring, both in subject and style.
The smut general is much more interesting, an absolute hero just posted a mega of all Gina Wild films, which is probably not interesting for /int/ because it's made up of foreigners and germans who weren't witnessing 9/11 consciously (or who only fap to sex scenes written by Thomas Bernhard).
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No. 77699 Kontra
>>77697
Still good job 2bh.
I remember doing the sames for some of my sister's German and English tests and exams during covid.
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No. 77700
>>77671
You simply can't cope with the fact that you failed your life on easy level of difficulty (first world). So instead you do mental gymnastic and imagine how much happier you would be if only you were born in favela. You would not.
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No. 77701 Kontra
>>77698
>In fact, most of those pictures are pretty boring, both in subject and style.
Watch it, boy. I drew one of those myself.
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No. 77702
>>77700
He would be another person anyway. Probably a better one. Or probably dead. Or just a neighborhood's favourite fool. You can never know.
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No. 77703 Kontra
11 kB, 344 × 342
>>77699
Maybe I'm mistaken with my accusations here but I feel like you and even brick complain about the quality of education and still actively do harm to it. You do this by making sure that people who would have no business in accessing higher levels of education get in, and undermine the whole system with their presence alone. Remember your sins next time you feel like complaining about it.

>>77693
You got me there.
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No. 77704
155 kB, 1024 × 721
>>77698
>two different thread with anime girls, one of which is about selfies, but there's hardly any porn there.
I'm sorry if my standard for what constitutes pornography is too high to exclude drawings of naked underage girls, I'll keep this in mind next time I talk to an ANIME DEGENERATE.
Have a good day.

>>77699
Somehow I don't feel all that proud about beating a bunch of 18 year olds at a programming puzzle competition lmao.

>>77696
> a bit more emotionally fulfilling to read a romance than read a romance with an explicite end.
But you see, that's the whole point. Supernormal stimulus is dangerous.
Sometimes, supernormal stimuli signal danger directly, like in the case of aposematism, where animals evolve to have bright coloring to warn potential predators that they're dangerous.
But other times, it's more insidious, where predators will use supernormal stimulus not as a deterrant, but as a lure.

What do they say, "it is usually the pretties flowers that are poisonous"? Actually, that's not an actual quote. I'm ashamed to admit I spent like 5 minutes googling around to see if there's a fancy literary quote that conveys the same meaning, but couldn't find anything worthwhile.

I'm also ashamed to admit that I spent like 10 minutes to find a good picture of an anglerfish, but in the process realized that most depictions of the anglerfish are very exaggerated, and they're not really as scary looking as in the illustrations, AND their lure doesn't really droop down in front of them like a fishing line, but rather protrudes boringly at the top.

anyway
Sentimentality is evil, it is more often a tool of manipulation than it is not.
that's why instead of becoming le too smart for social life and wishing everyone fell for you, you should become too le smart for social life and shunning the few people who actually want to connect with you, because clearly they have an ulterior motive

>>77703
There's nothing to undermine. I'd be undermining the system if there was a functional system there in the first place. But if nothing works, and it's all just a cargo cult, then breaking the imagined rules changes nothing, because the rules mean nothing in the first place. Westerners all have this shared delusion that the behavior of large scale systems is dictated by the cumulative behavior of its participants. But in fact, the opposite is true: the behavior of individuals is dictated by environment they find themselves in.
It's like the old prison dilemma: "You have two chairs, one is covered with shivs, the other covered in dicks. Which one will you sit on, and which one will you sit your mother on?". If you play by the rules given to you, you have already lost.

Ironically, if the system was functional, then I'd not have been able to cheat, since they'd have had some kind of IP / HWID detection system, or some other safeguard in place.

But maybe I'm celebrating too early, and they have something up their sleeve that I don't know about, and will detect the cheating anyway. Let's wait and see.
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No. 77706 Kontra
>>77704
I understand what you are saying. I even agree with to an extent.
But I'm still gonna read the mangos from time to time because it feels good.
Sorry.
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No. 77707
66 kB, 600 × 600
68 kB, 1280 × 720
>>77704
Degenerate like me should like anime. Perhaps I'll make my next attempt with "Steins Gate". It's about "2 smart 2 be social"-guy and a lot of kawaii girls around him.

>>77706
Last time I checked there were no labels on mangos to read.
Which ones would you recommend btw? Something short for the start.
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No. 77708
849 kB, 3840 × 2880
>>77704
>There's nothing to undermine. I'd be undermining the system if there was a functional system there in the first place.
Then why is she studying at all? Why not get her a fake degree like you have if that's the part with any value? Answer: you're not being truthful with your claims.

>Westerners all have this shared delusion that the behavior of large scale systems is dictated by the cumulative behavior of its participants. But in fact, the opposite is true: the behavior of individuals is dictated by environment they find themselves in.
You see, Eacteners all have this shared delusion that the social environment is not shaped by its participants :D And what is an environment if not a collection of its parts? By participating in the destruction of the system you are to be blamed directly if there's not a functional system in place. Any claim to the contrary is purely dishonest mental gymnastics to justify your crimes.

>Ironically, if the system was functional, then I'd not have been able to cheat, since they'd have had some kind of IP / HWID detection system, or some other safeguard in place.
This is such an inane argument to make. With software and hardware alike the attacker always has the upper hand. That's why at least in the Wect punishment for cheating in the academic context are quite severe. You are always able to cheat. But do you want to take the risk of losing your entire progress? Of course, this mostly applies to students. After receiving the degree it becomes a lot more difficult to punish cheaters. That is definitely a flaw in the system.
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No. 77710
152 kB, 441 × 538
>>77707
I recommend the Maongo.
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No. 77712
>>77701
The mole is exempt from that statement, obviously.
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No. 77713
>>77704
>I'm sorry if my standard for what constitutes pornography is too high to exclude drawings of naked underage girls
Did you mean too low?
In any case, nudes are not pornography, so you are wrong by any metric, except maybe the puritans over at the cancerchan.
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No. 77714
46 kB, 550 × 413
Stressful train journey. But I went to a Pizza Hut Express watched a video on the "downfall" of Pizza Hut two days before on YT and bought two slices of pan pizza (freaking 6€, when I was 12 it was 1.29€ for a slice of plain cheese). I had to wait quite a bit before somebody came from the back, some older people even just left (?). It was just two people on schedule with the older arab looking guy teaching an absolute Ernst he looked a bit like the wouldn't bang 0/10 meme how to properly mop the floor. Poor Ernst, clumsy mop movement, passive look, receiving commands, bad posture, zero motivation.

>>77697
>I think you're projecting a lot if you think miserable people in Mitteleuropa are miserable because overregulation. Everyone may have their own reasons, which may be the opposite of yours.

This. Regulation can be a good thing and even in Europe, many things don't work according to regulation plans.
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No. 77716
>>77714
>zero motivation
Reminds me of a young clerk at a bread shop who was on cashier duty while other staff were taking their break. I had him read out a list of ingredients to me, and I almost laughed when, with a puzzled expression, he reached "…schrott!?" ("scrap; junk" – actually Schrot "cut or crushed grain" but he mispronounced it).
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No. 77718
>>77716
Why did you make him read the ingredients? Are you a progressively aged woman?
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No. 77721
>>77718
How did you know?
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No. 77722
Yesterday I beat my gf.
At chess.
Because I was just teaching it to her.
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No. 77725
why do I have to get depressed right on the weekends when I want to do stuff I care about
fuck this.
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No. 77726
>>77725
I wish I had, like, a functional frontal lobe so I could do things regardless of what I'm feeling like at the moment
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No. 77729
>>77710
You're joking but that was a cereal request.
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No. 77730
I finished up the poems and sent them to the lecturer for evaluation. I hope I earn his patronage and he'll actually get the editor to publish these.
It would be such a colossal fucking flex. (No I don't care that it's actually insignificant.)
Working with the tablet to assemble the docs was actually really cool. I feel like there's a lot of room to grow as I learn more of the hotkeys.
Not much else is going on besides me being neurotic about pathetically trivial things around the household.
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No. 77744
Filled my car's tank; gas was only $4.39 a gallon. T-that's not so bad...Ok, it's still terrible, but my commute is short and the shock has worn off. Getting used to it.
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No. 77745 Kontra
>>77744
>Filling Tank at $1/l
>Still complaining
That's prices of 20 years ago
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No. 77750
>>77744
Gotta invade more countries to "liberate" their oil. War, what is it good for?
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No. 77751
55 kB, 540 × 421
>>77745
>>77750
I was promised cheap energy forever.
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No. 77752
>>77744
>>77745

t. sufferer with 8$ minimum hourly wage
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No. 77753
>>77751
>I was promised
Still believing in "lies for children", are we?
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No. 77754 Kontra
>>77753
He was being ironic, oh son of 'Tism.
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No. 77773 Kontra
24 kB, 568 × 377
Stay out of sight. Kohl refugees roam the streets.
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No. 77782 Kontra
GF is watching Stranger Things, again.
I have watched the first season or so and I think part of the second and I just don't get the appeal.
Everything is drab and uninsteresting, it feels more like a drama show than anything else, the constant ominous background score and BRRRAAAPPPPPPPPP are extremely annoying and I was born too late in the 80s to be nostalgic for that time, so all the references do nothing for me.
Also, there are no waifus.
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No. 77786 Kontra
>>77773
So we kontra our way to a safe place this thread is from the scum that opens threads for every fart they made?
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No. 77799 Kontra
Did other Germans know that basically all Gastrogläser are made by a family split in half/rivalry?

https://www.t-online.de/finanzen/news/unternehmen-verbraucher/id_92354498/sahm-und-rastal-der-kampf-der-glasgiganten.html

I don't know which I have encountered more often Rastral or Sahm.
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No. 77801 Kontra
>>77799
Frankly, I didn't know that and also never thought about it. It's always interesting to see how that stuff works.
Although this reißerisch (no idea if there is a proper english analogue) style is really irritating.
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No. 77804 Kontra
207 kB, 2000 × 1334
>>77799
Interesting, family rivalries are a perennial theme in German lore.
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No. 77810
Wow, still feeling the afterglow of my brain deciding to short circuit yesterday.
Hard to believe such experiences are actually real after the fact.
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No. 77814
66 kB, 724 × 438
>>77810
Please describe what you experienced in greater detail. How does short circuiting the brain happen?

T. Doctor
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No. 77815
28 kB, 720 × 533
>>77814
Not a doctor!
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No. 77816
821 kB, 2160 × 3840
Last night my internet stopped working so I went to check my Windows network status and learned that Win10 tracks the network usage. Apparently I've used 859 GB of data in the last 30 days. The household data usage is probably well over 1 TB a month then. Surprising.

Internet came back after two minutes and the outage was caused by maintenance. Still a disturbing occurrence. Outages are very rare.

>>77815
Making statements like that is not beneficial for your well-being. Better watch it.

T. Doctor, judge, jury and executioner
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No. 77817
14 kB, 320 × 317
>>77816
>Apparently I've used 859 GB of data in the last 30 days.
Diagnosis: You downloaded too many high-res cat pictures.

t. real dogtor
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No. 77821 Kontra
GF is dripping like a gravel truck.
Because we just went running in the humid heat
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No. 77824
I feel very tired. Came home and I almost fell asleep. Well, I took a short 20 minute powernap.
I had a tootache develop for some reason but it stopped the minute I left work. Now it’s just some slight gum swelling around one of my canine teeth.

Neighbour’s dog has been barking constantly over the weekend. Bydlo shouldn’t be allowed to own pets. Maybe a goldfish at best.
Yes I love the family dogs we have, but like I’m fully aware that our family shouldn’t own dogs either.

Bought a used book from German. Basically I looked up the first edition of the Han Feizi in German and I decided to get it because the second edition’s binding is awful and it won’t stay open on my desk as I’m working so I’m gonna was thirty euros on a book because I can and I deserve nice things.
Love how the bill calls me “Herr Ernstovich”. Yeah for 30 fucking Reichsmarks I better be a fucking Herr.
Site was a mess tho. For some reason didn’t have integrated payment so I had to make direkt bank transfer to their account, but the book is on its way.
Kinda ironic how I get my paycheque from doing the bidding of a German megacorp and I immediately go and send it back into the Reich.

Anyway, I’m going to go to bed early and hopefully sleep well tonight now that the dog isn’t barking nonstop.
I wonder if it was because the owners went on some summer trip and left the little fucker at home alone.
Still, I was so irked I actually went outside and pinpointed the exact house where the mutt lives.

Also I gotta find a way to convert a csv to an akgp so I can use my classical Chinese deck on my phone because I shilled out for the proper anki, since that has the better algorithm compared to the orange one and I loved using it on my shitty laptop. Works on the tablet too. Got the Oxford year 1-2 CC deck but I want to revise mine some more.

I keep raving about this thing but I do actually like this tablet a lot. Like honestly, this is probably the first time in my life that I got a piece of tech that’s good and I asked for it. It just feels so good to use compared to every other piece of outdated garbage I own.
(Save for the phone, but the screen is so small and I hate using my phone for “srs” stuff like managing online purchases and stuff.)
>>
No. 77825
>>77824
>Kinda ironic how I get my paycheque from doing the bidding of a German megacorp and I immediately go and send it back into the Reich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town
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No. 77831
576 kB, 3730 × 4003
Spend some money on clothing, now I have more items that display I listen to techno :DDD
And two pillow cases because the pillows used to rest my back against have only one case that goes to the laundry every few weeks and then is missing while drying.

Overall, it was a day of pure consumption, albeit not totally useless items. Did write some pages for the essay in the morning, so a bit of productivity was also had.
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No. 77832 Kontra
8 kB, 360 × 269
>>77817
Too many? How can you download too many? Maybe check your network stats to see how many dogtors you've been downloading. The answer might shock you.

>>77824
Odd. I always thought that tablets were pretty much useless and confirmed my suspicions by buying one. At least I'm using the iPad as a Homekit hub to run automations. Or if we go out of town my gf uses it to watch movies or something. Congratulations for finding productive use for it.
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No. 77844
>>77814
you how you feel when you pull an all nighter and don't sleep for 36 hours.
Well, it's kinda like that, except it doesn't go away no matter how much you sleep, and also lasts a few days.

Better than a few years ago when it used to last weeks to months tho.
t. took my meds
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No. 77845
234 kB, 1125 × 1497
>>77844
Jesus. I somehow thought it was a positive experience since you used the word afterglow.

What a cursed existence. Hope you're feeling better.
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No. 77846
43 kB, 242 × 310
>Spend some money on clothing, now I have more items that display I listen to techno

I hope it is only merch from the world famous techno idols from Scooter. Otherwise, I dont care
>>
No. 77847
>>77844
Feels bad man. Sleep deprivation don't hit until ~72 hours tbh
>>
No. 77849
>>77847
24h is beginning to be bad, but 72h is just shit.

>>77846
What most people don't know is I carried these Scooter note blogs during my school days and far into university.
sorry it's just a black item that is techno and protects me from rain when I enter Berghain :DDD
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No. 77850
17 kB, 474 × 474
79 kB, 755 × 425
>>77849
forgot the picture
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No. 77864 Kontra
8 kB, 650 × 650
>>77849
>when I enter Berghain

You dont need protection from the rain, you need Aids and monkeysplokxz protection
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No. 77865 Kontra
>>77864
He's an Ernst in Berlin, he's probably the only person at a given techno event who does NOT have sex.
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No. 77870
500 kB, 500 × 281, 0:01
>>77865
I laughed because it's true. Ernst is winning in any pandemic by virtue of his zero fun allowed-aura.

t. not-haver of sex.
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No. 77880
>>77864
>>77865

I thought you guys are the ones that still can grasp the irony but you are quite fast in turning it into a shit show anyway, but nothing else is expected, specifically from Bavaria.

Should I assburger? My sentence implied I'm waiting in the long as queue in front of Berghain when it rains and have the ultimate item to stay dry and look like I listen to techno at the same time so Sven will let me in.
To solve this riddle: I'm not living in Berlin and I've been there last time when Michael Jackson died while on a class trip in high school.
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No. 77882 Kontra
>>77880
Wow, seems like I struck a nerve there with the no sex comment, Herr von Arschverletzt. Ironic how you are talking about irony while it's completely lost on yourself.
See >>77870 and have a laugh, too.
Also, when will they finally change the color of Kontra, it always makes posts look so aggressive.
Please know that it was merely a polite not-bump (because of joge) and no 4chongs "hurr durr I sage u because I don't understand it's not a downvote" Kontra.
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No. 77886 Kontra
159 kB, 1384 × 869
161 kB, 1430 × 850
>>77882
>Also, when will they finally change the color of Kontra, it always makes posts look so aggressive.
Take matters in your own hands, you know where to find them! Pink Kontra - but no homo, so don't get any ideas.

Maybe I should do an EcKinsey-style "young, fresh, feminine"-skin with lots of pink and purple. Girls will literally flood this place.
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No. 77887
>>77886
Pink is still too red. What about a nice turquoise or lavender?
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No. 77888
361 kB, 1857 × 967
Work is very tiresome. But I'll do it for the money.
I went on a bit of a shopping spree and spent like 10 bucks on an old nokia battery and charger because I actually want to see and try this old phone for shits and giggles. They will probably arrive by the time I get my degree.
Not much else is happening. I'm just sitting at a desk all day looking at invoices and copying data from them. Using hotkeys to do everything is making me feel really cool, especially considering I think nobody figured out you can save a bunch of time entering redundant data and database reloads if you don't go out into the database after validating an entry, but rather just pressing alt plus the left arrow key to go back a page, thus keeping already entered data, half of which is redundant, plus you don't need to wait for like a minute for it to load up like 100k entries from the server.
I'm not a Stakhanovite 2bh, I just don't want my mind numbed by waiting a minute after I do an invoice because it's boring as fuck and I don't want to be bored in an environment like this. I'll gladly lay bored in bed at home, but I refuse to be bored like this.

>>77832
So far in my experience it works pretty well if you jam a keyboard up its ass. Plus a mouse if you like, but personally the more I use it, the less I feel the need for a mouse. I can just touch it with my hand or the stylus even when editing text.
There's only a few minor little things it lacks (like how I mentioned that the iOS version of anki for some reason doesn't take csv files so I needed to use my desktop version to export the already imported csv into anki's proprietary format.)

But you could also say that it's a bit of an overkill for my needs of writing over pdf-s, making powerpoints and editing texts.
Though it makes using a dictionary alongside the text really fucking easy. (And now it'd actually make sense to get the pleco addon for the Kroll Chinese dictionary.)
It's kind of a big investment imho but it beats lugging around a laptop every day. (I mean ultimately, if you don't need a tablet then just don't buy one.)
I guess I actually can't sensibly justify the price of an iPad but it makes me feel good so I'll defend this choice. (I'm developing apple-brain disease most likely.)

>>77825
I'm in danger of that too, since the place itself sells a buncha knick-knacks like t-shirts which are pretty good in quality, so I'll probably buy a few of them.
(And some earplugs too.)

>>77886
>pink theme
Magyarchan's got a theme like that.
It's a nice gag imho
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No. 77889 Kontra
170 kB, 1346 × 866
204 kB, 1361 × 858
>>77887
Here you go. A downgrade if you ask me, pink is just the superior option.
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No. 77891
>>77889
Hey now, this looks friendly and polite :-)
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No. 77894 Kontra
983 kB, 720 × 720, 0:15
>>77888
>keyboard
Didn't help. Well, writing an email is less painful with a tablet and a keyboard than a phone for sure. But tablet keyboards in general and the whole UX are just terrible for doing any work. In my opinion the only keyboard worth using is Apple's "Magic Keyboard", which costs 340€... And that is retarded. Other "integrated case/keyboard" setups are just so bad in terms of the typing experience and basic stuff like turning them on, pairing, charging, battery life etc. And the package just is not worth it if a decent experience costs me from 740 to 1250 euros. (Base iPad+keyboard, base iPad pro+keyboard)

The most cost effective solution is to get some cheap cover for the tablet and a cheap keyboard. And then always make sure to pack the keyboard with you, make sure it's charged or has batteries etc. Fuck all that. You can get a decent laptop for a bit more than the base iPad + accessories and have an usable, work-enabled machine. Even better if replacing an iPad pro with a laptop. Tablet genocide best day of my life.

That being said it's still great that it works for you. We all have different requirements for our devices and it's good that there are many options. But I won't be buying another tablet for a long time.
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No. 77895 Kontra
>>77882
I was referencing the Berlin comments, Dr. Adolf Assumption.
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No. 77896
>>77895
Ernst, that was part of the joge setup. Wait a minute, are you the legit autistic german?
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No. 77897
199 kB, 1874 × 916
>>77888
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! It cannot be that other chans have something we don't have. I present the newest EC skin: Young, fresh, feminine, 100% heterosexual and recommended by EcKinsey!

https://pastebin.com/vRffXYtK
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No. 77898 Kontra
455 kB, 406 × 720, 0:08
All G*rmans need to be quarantined to /b/.

Then if we want to get an assburger overdose we normal people can visit it like a zoo.
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No. 77903
>>77896
How do I know you are not just assburgering as well? There is no chance anymore to detect this properly it seems.

>>77897
What in the Barbieverse?! It reminds me of those toys the girls in kindergarten had at home.
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No. 77904
>>77903
>What in the Barbieverse?! It reminds me of those toys the girls in kindergarten had at home.
No refunds!!!
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No. 77906
>>77898
>need to be quarantined to /b/.
Have fun getting one post every three days, at best.
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No. 77907
>>77903
>How do I know you are not just assburgering as well?
Because there's a difference between being an imageboard assburger who can use any given situation to go off on a tangent about the lineage of french kings from the 10th to 14th century (that was actually an interesting thread, though I can't remember much, except maybe Philipp the nth who destroyed the templars) and an actual autist who takes quite literally, figuratively and actually at face value. Or people larping as humorless germans, which there has been a surge of in the last year or so.
I think britball and a russian should make a thread to teach banter.
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No. 77908 Kontra
>>77907
No, I suspect Germans aren't good at differentiating and just mask to control the damage later on. As you said, I'm not the only one who is not sure of a German being serious because he is an assburger that needs to correct people, or plays along, or tries to shitpost.
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No. 77914
>>77898
First they came for Americans, and I did not speak out—because I was not an American.
Then they came for the Germans...
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No. 77916 Kontra
43 kB, 500 × 500
>>77898
Rude
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No. 77917
I passed two cyclists coming home from work. After dark, wearing black, no lights or refectors, weaving from the left lane to the right. There are better ways to kys, tbh.

t.Didn't kill them

>>77897
A true game changer. We should sweep up the catalog; can't let the imminant flood of girls see what we've been up to.
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No. 77918
>>77917
>A true game changer. We should sweep up the catalog; can't let the imminant flood of girls see what we've been up to.

Made me chuckle, thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning.
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No. 77919 Kontra
>>77898
Fun fact: /b/ is way less assburger than /int/
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No. 77920
>>77917
>I passed two cyclists coming home from work. After dark, wearing black, no lights or refectors

I hate idiots like this. I commute via bike and have two front and two backlights. I also wear these yellow vests and in the same color is my beanie + gloves in the winter

being this visible benefits my own safety. I dont get, why you would not do this?
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No. 77921
17 kB, 400 × 300
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No. 77922
>>77920
>I hate idiots like this
Me too, and I also hate cyclists who ignore traffic lights, because they give cyclists a bad rep for which all cyclists have to suffer.
>being this visible benefits my own safety. I dont get, why you would not do this?
I don't ride in the dark at all, but if I did you bet I'd be looking like a christmas tree.

t. cyclist
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No. 77923
>>77922
>I don't care uf I'm dead, as long as I am right
What is actually the legal ramifications here? Driving without lights at night by car will get you at least a write-up, but is that also the case for cyclists?
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No. 77925
>>77923
>but is that also the case for cyclists?
Yes it is, I know of people who have been stopped by police for not having sufficient lighting on their bikes. Though it's probably less enforced with bikes than with cars. Also not sure why you quoted me like this, because that was not what I said at all.
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No. 77926
>>77925
Whoops, I didn't mean to quote you, I should have put this in quotation marks. It was supposed to be the answer to your question.
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No. 77927
>>77926
Thanks for the clarification. I thought this was the case, but in tradition of german autism™ the correct way to handle this is of course to assume the worst and start to argue about it.
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No. 77928
10 kB, 482 × 495
>>77914
I can't understand what his end game is. Soon it'll be a crime to just be Indo-European.
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No. 77933
702 kB, 2048 × 1536
I took a day off work. Took my meds yesterday and had an allergic reaction to the injection and I thought I was gonna die for a second, but both the shortness of breath and the swelling went away once I threw up.
In the end I’m just glad I didn’t need actual emergency medical attention.

Used my day off to do a bit of grocery shopping. Plus I picked up the earbuds I ordered.
They’re funky. On one hand they look like they’re tryint to copy apple’s earpods but then once the actual in-ear part ends it turns back into this disgusting archaic design where it’s just a plastic stick sticking to the earbuds. Works very good though, it just looks a bit stupid imho.
It’s by Huawei and it supposedly was packaged with their phones at some point.

Don’t know what I’m gonna do with the rest of the day. I’ll probably just eat and read.

>>77921
I remember that show. And I’m convinced Allah will punish the Fr•nch for it. Rightly so.

>>77894
Those are all valid points 2bh.
Honestly I might just be putting up with this keyboard because I actually never used a good keyboard in my life. It was always 5 logitech ones. Same goes for mice.
Really, the only feature I could bring up in the defence of the device is the fact that with the pen I can use it as a notebook instead of typing. (I will try this out in action at uni, but so far during my tests it wasn’t any more unreadable than my regular notes. I just won’t ask it to convert it to normal script because I can’t for the life of my get it to put up with my manchu-script tier handwriting.)
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No. 77934
633 kB, 1280 × 720, 0:03
It's above 25°C again and will stay that way according to google weather until next week at least. It's good for the tomatoes (the first are getting ripe) and I plan and buying a small bottle of fertilizer for the last two months to enhance the taste. But on the other hand, I want to wear pullovers again. It's hard to concentrate on work with these temperatures. So plan for today is to type out the last lines of my essay so it's ready to be corrected and proofread. The fertilizer can wait a couple of days since I just gave them organic fertilizer this very morning.
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No. 77935
>>77934
>buying a small bottle of fertilizer...to enhance the taste
I wouldn't eat tomatoes with shit on them, but you do you
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No. 77936
18 kB, 444 × 360, 0:02
>>77906
>Have fun getting one post every three days, at best.
You're saying it like it's a bad thing. I prefer quality over quantity.

>>77914
>Then they came for the Germans...
And you spoke out because you're a German at heart. Lovely!

>>77928
>Soon it'll be a crime to just be Indo-European.
Haha! That's crazy man! Where'd you got that idea from? Noooo wayyy dude. Hahaaa...

>>77933
Apple's pens are actually great. A lot of 2D artists use iPads, but in most cases you need to get the Pro since some apps limit the amount of layers you can have due to limited RAM on the base model. But in that use case you can't beat iPad. Imagine lugging something like a wacom tablet with your laptop if you want to draw on the go. Then try drawing something on the bus or on the train. Not gonna happen.
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No. 77938
>>77936
Go back to Yli or something
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No. 77939
>>77935
The fertilizer goes into the soil, not onto the fruit.
mussmanwissen.gif
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No. 77940
>>77939
So THAT'S what I've been doing wrong all this time.
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No. 77947 Kontra
88 kB, 1080 × 1296
>>77938
I've never posted on yli. You go back to /b/.
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No. 77949 Kontra
>>77940
You probably did nothing ever when you think fertilizer is put on the fruits themselves.
Maybe you just wanted to come across as stupid deliberately but then I would ask: why?
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No. 77953
>>77947
>You go back to /b/.
Back? What if I told you I post on b and int both?
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No. 77960
>>77920
Cyclists in the surburbs are complacent about safety. Most of them are recreational, as commuting by bike is rare, and there are a lot of residential streets with little traffic. Bikes go right down the middle no problem. Ride on a few of those, then one turn later there is a busy road and their head is still in the clouds.
No excuse for not having lights, though. I never went on a road without them.

>>77933
>Allah will punish the Fr•nch for it
Perhaps the superior Martin Mystery has earned the French a reprieve from his mighty hand of vengence.
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No. 77961 Kontra
369 kB, 680 × 509
>>77960
No it won’t. The French ruined an entire generation if impressionable young men with it. (And it wasn’t the first time they’ve done this and it won’t be the last I’m sure of it.)
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No. 77966
238 kB, 0:07
Had discussions with the village shaman.
He spoke about the necessity of kindness to animals because of karma. He spoke about this absolute exact system by which it all evens out and every misdeed is punished by cosmic force and so on. I tried to question him about this but he assumed a hostile stance after I said some people commit awful crimes and go unpunished. I thought he'd talk about reincarnation but no, I don't think he considers this. We were never a nation of philosophers but I hoped for some local farmer who saw a goat see a goat teleporting through a large rock -as some other villages have!- but no. We have a dreadlock rasta with a drug induced revelations, he isn't a carpenter but a social security artist. Shameful.
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No. 77968
>>77966
Yeah, well man, that just like, your opinion, man.
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No. 77980
thought that maybe reading random shit on the internet is not the highest form of entertainment ever invented, and decided to watch some "highly acclaimed" tv series.

And I noticed something that a lot of them have in common.
Most of them are about a hypercompetent white guy who acts like an asshole, but we're supposed to sympathize with the protagonist's shitty behavior because they're "flawed" or whatever, and their in-universe hypercompetence is supposed to excuse such behavior. The shows pretend to be character studies that condemn the protagonist, but do so very limp-wristedly, and spend most of the time idolizing them.

basically, it's pure ideology and propaganda.

also, now my youtube feed is filled with clips from these shows overlayed with trap music talking about the sigma mindset or whatever, and they're all made by third world brown people.
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No. 77985
749 kB, 870 × 486
>>77980
Don't worry, one day they'll make series about you. The asocial but hypercompetent guy will be played by black actor.
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No. 78034
I found 50€ on the floor of a gas station. I believe it was probably the man in front of me who dropped it, but it was unclear and I feel a little bad I didn't try to give it to a possible owner. But I feel very good I found 8% of a minimum wage when out buying cigarettes.
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No. 78035
>>78034
It's the finder's dilemma. If someone waved 50€ infront of me asking if those are mine, I would certainly say yes.
That said, do you not have those lost & found offices?
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No. 78038
26 kB, 720 × 405
>>78034
I once found a purse of a spanish guy in our local park. Had some 100+ euros in it. Since I'm lawful neutral I brought it to the police untouched. Guy wrote me a huge thank you letter including a bag of Giotto (those things that are like Raffaelo but slightly worse). He was very relieved that he got his papers back and is probably still running around Spain telling everyone about the honourable german race.
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No. 78041
>>78035
>those lost & found office
"Hello, I lost 50 Euros"
"To make sure they are yours, please describe what they look like"

Pfft, haha
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No. 78042
>>78041
Ohhh ladida look at Herr Fajngold here who owns so much money he can't even describe what his money bills look like!
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No. 78043
>>78042
Can you? No cheating!
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No. 78046 Kontra
>>78038
I was once using an automated till at Tesco when I noticed that the previous shopper had left a £10 note in change which was sticking out of the machine. I called out to him and handed it back, and he thanked me with a distinctly Eastern European accent. I'll never forget the truly astonished look of happiness look on his face, like I had committed some act of superhuman generosity. Ordinary behaviour must sometimes seem bewildering to people who come from low-trust societies. Or maybe he was just expecting me to be typically perfidious, who knows.
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No. 78048
2,5 MB, 2208 × 2559
>>78043
>can you?
Each bill is creased to match my wallet folds like cinderella's slipper.
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No. 78049
>>78043
Of course I can, but I won't show you because it's my money and I won't let your dirty dog eyes have defile it.
Instead, have this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Owuk3cZGtQ
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No. 78050
>>78038
Once on my way to the barber shop I passed three Italian-speaking people and then found a 10€ or 20€ or 50€ bill on the ground and asked them if its their money and the guy's reaction was believable and in general, I already suspected it was theirs because the guy at least was fumbling something with pockets involved before I passed them.

t. another honorable German
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No. 78051
217 kB, 1280 × 372
Tomorrow’s payday.
I’m consoooming a bit. Found a nice looking laptop-table that’s taller and also bigger than the current makeshift whatever I use as this pseudo-japanese style thing so I copped it. It’ll arrive next week.
Basically I’m investing in a study-setup in a sense.

Looking at all the webshops I kinda wonder how did people shop before the internet. Like did you just go to a store and hoped what you were looking for was in stock? Or you hired a tradesman to make it for you?
Now that I think about it actually, there were thick catalogues of stuff you could order by phone or mail, so it wasn’t at all hopeless.
I want a bookstand too and I realized how hard it is to look for one. These things are actually quite expensive for some reason here, so I’m just gonna order one from China and wait for it to arrive because all the ones they sell here are both expensive and bad by the looks.

On Saturday I have a zoom meeting with the workshop members about the potenial conference we’re organising next semester.
You know it makes me feel a bit high and mighty even if it’s actually insignificant and small.
Oh wow a student conference so cool.

Work is soul crushing 2bh. I think I’d have killed myself by now without this mp3 player.

>>77980
Click this video to find out if you’re a Kazakh Male (Rarest type) and to see if it’s better than being an alpha male.

What did you watch anyway? I see less and less white people in TV series whenever I catch a glimpse of one in the living room and the usual complaint I hear in my bubble is “too many blacks”.
t.Observant internet racist

But seriously, having “I like series” as a (primary) hobby is one of the biggest intellectual redflags I can think of. It’s always the biggest retards saying it.
Of course it’s not stimulating or good, you’re watching fucking TV without it being a TV.
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No. 78052 Kontra
641 kB, 610 × 883
Life is futile.

>>78051
>I kinda wonder how did people shop before the internet.
Malls. I feel sorry for zoomers who didn't get to experience the ultimate consoomer mall culture. That shit was cash. Then there was all sorts of catalogs companies would send out by mail. And the odd traveling salesmen and unsolicited phone sales.
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No. 78053
834 kB, 1280 × 1700
158 kB, 930 × 697
>>78052
>zoomers who didn't get to experience the ultimate consoomer mall culture

What a millennial thing to say! Let me tell you something, Juho, malls or shopping passages in Germany cities are frequented by zoomers and boomers mostly, even millennials, the rare times I went I was surprised to see all that zoomer youth hanging around in the lounge areas starring and their phones or talking shit with others hanging around there. Malls are only nice when they are close to empty, otherwise, it's an uncomfortable conscious fever dream.
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No. 78054
63 kB, 680 × 680
>>78053
You're missing the nuance. Of course malls still exist and therefore people visit them. But before e-commerce malls were goddamn PACKED on weekends specifically. It's just not the same anymore. Doesn't matter if it's a mall in Helsinki or Berlin, both are so sparsely populated nowadays. There is barely any mall culture to speak of. No spectacles. No midnight movie or game launches. No nothing.
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No. 78056
>>78052
>Malls
I am about 40 years old, and I never was in a mall. Before the Internet was huge, I went to the luggage store when I needed a bag. I went to three or four clothes store to shop for a pair of jeans. I went to the book-store for books and to the ,usic store for CDs. Malls just did not exist in Germany pre-2000s, as far as I know. It was all independently owned and run shops in shopping districts in city centers, plus one (for big cities two) department store like Horten. Those city centers also had ice-cream parlors, pubs and restaurants of all categories.

Now, it's all dollar-shops, a few big-brand-stores, shisha bars and Döner-places. It sucks. To compensate, "outlet-centers" and "outlet villages" try to recreate the experience. Seems more than dumb to me.
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No. 78058
>>78054
I don't know how packed they have been since shopping centers in Germany really were built only after 2005 and my hometown only got its real shopping center after I evaded the city center/shopping district already and tbh I don't want to see how packed these malls are at the weekend, during the week and in the afternoon it was already enough, a constant stream of people. Mind you this isn't a super big town but also not a small one. But I can imagine that the attractions and such specials got less.
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No. 78060
88 kB, 752 × 564
>>78056
>>78058
I think it depends on how you define "mall".
Because those "*tal-Center" or "Rathaus Galerie" etc. have certainly existed way before the 20th century and they all have this specific look to them I assume they were built in a similar time.
What has certainly changed is a monopolization, in that the bigger companies take up more and more space and the smaller shops just die.
The city I went to university had another case where mall basically drained the nearby Fußgängerzone.

Pic related is something I found, exemplary for those proto-malls I mentioned above.
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No. 78063
>>78060
Yeah I know this proto-malls probably a thing of the 1970s and 1980s, maybe even 1990s. My home town had something like this as well. And still has one of them left but it's place for cheap rents, so weird and cheap clothing, western union, Gold- und Schmuckankauf etc. But I'm speaking of bigger places with three or more floors. I mean we don't have those flat US malls here anyway if that is what you mean.
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No. 78064 Kontra
>>78063
I just have to mention on the list of proto mall shops is also always a store for vaping equipment :DDD
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No. 78069
>>78064
Man I think the last time I went to one of these centers vapes hadn't even been invented yet.
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No. 78074
2,1 MB, 2448 × 3264
I just finished this for the art class
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No. 78076
488 kB, 1920 × 1080
The indoor shopping malls I've visited are all dying, and they even tore down the one in my hometown. Wal-Mart killed it.

>>78074
Cool. How long have you been sculpting?
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No. 78077
>>78051
Well, let's see.
House MD - hypercompetent white guy is a total asshole. the show pretends to be a character study, actually a power fantasy.
Mad Men - hypercompetent white guy is a total asshole. the show pretends to be a character study, actually a power fantasy.
Breaking Bad - hypercompetent white guy is a total asshole. the show pretends to be a character study, actually a power fantasy.
Peaky Blinders - hypercompetent white guy is a total asshole. the show pretends to be a character study, actually a power fantasy.

I guess The Sopranos is about a decently competent debatably white guy, and is actually a character study, because nobody wants to be a fat italian guy with family issues.
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No. 78079
>>78077
What's so bad about them being white?
Would you hate those shows still if they all were kazakh?

That said, apart from one or two episodes of House and BB I haven't watched any of those shows because I expect them to be vastly overrated.
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No. 78080 Kontra
>>78079
Would you watch it if the cast was all Somali or all female? Make House MD a female main character and I could bet my ass everybody would hate her lol instead of wow such a cool guy.

Anyway, this debate would be lame and predictable so just let me throw in an argument made so people might actually understand what people consider it a problem usually from an academic standpoint (probably not the only one and maybe not brick's):
white is not simply understood as skin color in this context as many people tend to think (my impression) but as a norm. And people who usually do not fulfill this norm are people like brick or the refugee you encounter in the streets. So it's not just that he might not speak the German language very well, it is also assumed that this guy or woman is not white in the sense that they don't fulfill a norm, they are not normal because they are not white regardless of what they do more or less.

I do not read it but for anybody who actually bothers to read instead of waving it off so it does not bother you anymore:
https://www.thoughtco.com/whiteness-definition-3026743
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No. 78081 Kontra
>>78080
Jesus fucking Christ, can you just stop being such an assburger for just one fucking second and just take a joke?
I was provocatively enganging Brick and not you, he doesn't need any white wokolonialist speaking for him.

That said, what about Luther? It's a hypercompetent black guy.
What about Elementary's Watson? Hypercompetent woman.
Any John Woo film - hypercompetent Chow Yun-fat (Chinese).
Can we count Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor as hypercompetent? At least from the second movie on, I would definitely say yes.
The Bride slaughters 100 men and people cheer on her.
The chief engineer of the Enterprise NCC-1701-D is black and he's just not only the best engineer, he's also proven he's able to commandeer the ship if necessary.
Most Samuel L Jackson characters are hypercompetent and nobody complains about him, because he's cool.
And apart from a few actual sexist/racist retards people respond to well-written characters, well - well.
If nobody watches shows/films with blacks and women it's because they're badly written and only shove it in your face how great this black/female person is and nothing else.

And yeah, I have heard about "whiteness" as a quality detached from skin color, which makes it even more hilarious because "whiteness" is associated with all the good things such as wealth and education, which means nobody would ever want to be of color unless they enjoy reveling in their own misery. Which the people who actually care about this retarded shit probably do.

Last, why the fuck should I care about anything specifically american that for me as a German in Germany (or more generally as a non-American outside of the USA) has exactly 0.0 relevance? You should really get off the american twittersphere, it's damaging your brain as much as hanging around american poltards.

Also, if Somalia managed to produce anything of the generally accepted quality of something like Mad Men I would probably watch it (if I cared for something like Mad Men in the first place).
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No. 78082
>>78079
>>78080
Nothing wrong with it per se.
It's just that "whiteness" is a manifestation of an alien zeitgeist, and further than that, the white zeitgeist presented on TV is an almost mythological idealization of said zeitgeist, so it's twice removed from the experience of anyone who isn't white middle class or whatever. (like you know how when there's a hollywood movie about a poor struggling family, said "poor" family has a three bedroom house, a car, and lives in the suburbs, it's like that except even more alien)
And that's fine I guess except that this mythology is presented as universal or "human", when it is not. Let's not extrapolate the human condition from the white middle class american condition.

Now, the funny thing is this isn't even a problem with the shows / movies themselves, but retroactively became a problem as a result of cultural globalization. Like, there's nothing wrong with a story that takes place in the white middle class zeitgeist, like there's nothing wrong with a story that takes place in some south american tribal peoples' zeitgeist. Both these cultures presumably interpret these stories as "universal" relative to their own culture. But because of cultural globalization, the ypipo stories are now consumed by a worldwide audience, while keeping their implied normalcy or universality. (except I guess for african americans, who have always lived in the united states but were still treated as alien lmao)

Makes me think that post-modernity isn't all that post-. Like, the western notion of post-modern relativism and universality is itself a subset of the western zeitgeist. You know how in premodern times, every culture had a notion of their own cultural narrative which was their reality, and then the concept of the "other", which was every other culture, and no universal vantage point from which to observe both? Well, now in post modernity we have the western zeitgeist that deems itself universal and post-modern, and then every other culture, which is deemed specific and appealing to a certain audience only, and still no universal vantage point for both.

Anyway this is what I would have said if I were in polite company with a permanent identity, but in truth, I'm just racist and hate white people.
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>>78082
Oh, and I forgot my ultimate point.
If the value of art is to speak to the human condition, then a work of art that speaks to only a very specific condition of a very specific people, does not have that universal value.

Like, such art doesn't teach me anything higher about life or how humans are or whatever, it just teaches me about white people problems.
So, I reserve the right to not like something because it takes place in a reality that is alien to me, because I'm not obliged to care about white people stuff, just like you're not obliged to care about some african tribe's world creation mythos, or find it all that profound.

So, there's quite literally no problem, other than white people for some reason think it's a problem that non-white people don't care about their stuff, when they see no problem in doing the same to other cultures.
I guess they just don't like to be reminded that their culture is not so universal, because being treated as "just another culture" puts them on the same level as brown third worlders so they're not special any more lmao.
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No. 78084 Kontra
>>78083
Eh, I don't know. Below the cultural shell humans are mostly the same everywhere. Which is why the dealings with the "human condition" can work in any cultural frame.
A love story is a love story, whether it's set in Chicago or Shenzhen.
Revenge is revenge, in Mexico or in Denmark.

Consider this: The american "culture", i.e. the way they lead their everday lives is, despite their constant cultural imperalism, still vastly different from the way we in Germany lead our lives (apart from people like >>78080 maybe who are already 99% americanized).
The american media's representation of this everyday life is itself already different from reality, so we are already twice removed here when we watch such a show.

Take for example highschool and university films. My life has not even been remotely like ANYTHING shown there, but still I can enjoy them.
Any big american city, in the way it is portrayed, is totally different from anything I have encountered around Europe, apart from recent trips to London and Berlin.
The way police work and legal proceedings are shown in american media is already so wrong that courts had to adjust to jury members thinking the trial would play out as on TV.

That said, hardly anything that comes from Hollywood and related outlets can or should be called "art".
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>>78081
>everything is a joke to me man don't you see!!!!

Maybe you are the joke after all.

>he doesn't need any white wokolonialist speaking for him

I don't speak for him, retard. I just referenced and paraphrased a position on what whiteness is considered apart the skin color. I'm not into any Twittersphere nor do I actively follow US discussions on racial issues. I even explicitly said that this might not be Brick's own opinion/position, read closer. Your rage and defensiveness are loud enough for me to hear, though. You could say it normally but instead, feel kinda attacked. But when woman or turks complain about power relations that make their life difficult and shit people say "nun hab dich mal nicht so, sei lieber froh das du hier bist/es so gut (hast im Vergleich zu XYZ)"

>"whiteness" is associated with all the good things

And non-whites with all the bad things (unless considered cool by white people).
Perhaps that is the problem...?

Your idea on letting non-whites be something else than reduced to racial/cultural issues is a good one, though. My browsers shows me news and I came across this piece by a non-white person that doesn't want to talk and write only a about issues of "cultural clash", immigration etc.
https://taz.de/Mangelnde-Diversitaet-in-deutschen-Medien/!5867129/

And the argument "hurr durr it is US and concerns me not" is misleading, since these thoughts are applicable to the situation of black refugees and turks/arabs in Germany for example. Surely, the history is different, makes the context different (no slavery but instead shitty overworked low paid workforce for the post WW2 world in case of turks)

Just reminds me of this guy who said "who wouldn't want turks, they can cook so nice". I mean do you want to live in a country where people consider you worthy and nice because of your "spicy" food culture or because you are a person like everybody else who wants to be friendly, hospitable and interested in issues of many kinds human are concerned with.
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No. 78087
I've been somewhat unhappy with my job for some time, so I contacted two different companies with similar position openings, one of them interviewed me online twice, and yesterday invited me to the local office. They didn't ask me any technical questions, just a few about why I wanted to change my employment and for most of the time we discussed the terms like it was a done deal. But today they told me they have no interest in hiring me. I'm kind of puzzled as to why, can't say it's a bummer, I had my reservations about them, but the tone of the last interview makes me wonder what happened to influence their decision.
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>>78077
Do Twin Peaks, Xfiles and Sherlock Holmes also fit this description? I thought about them at first.

>>78080
See picrelated. From academic standpoint any asocial hypercompetent guy is white regardless of skin color.

>>78083
>So, there's quite literally no problem, other than white people for some reason think it's a problem that non-white people don't care about their stuff
I don't see white people complaining about Kazakhs not caring about their stuff. I only see you complaining white people's series. And it's a valid complain, these series are really about first world people and their issues. But grown up on books about 19-th century nobility, I don't see a big problem here. Also the source of the problem is that Kazakhs don't make good series about Kazakhs or that you don't want to watch it. It's strange do demand white people to make series about Kazakhs.
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No. 78089
>>78081
I think you're assuming that my problem with the characters is that they're white AND hypercompetent, while for me, those are separate issues.
One problem is them being white (Yes, I'm racist)
A separate problem is that the hypercompetence is used as an excuse for shit behavior, or some kind of justification, or whatever. And it's not even that they're hypercompetent AND assholes, it's specifically the notion that hypercompetence justifies dubious morality. Strangely enough, that last one seems to mostly apply to white protagonists, competent non-white protagonists aren't usually total assholes, or if they are, their assholeness is not justified by competence. But that's beside the point.
The core of my criticism is that too many times characters that are presented as "flawed" have their "flaws" justified by the writers themselves. To me, it conveys an ethos of "being a shit human being is ok as long as you're successful, because we value success higher than ethics". It's like those stories were ghost written by ayn rand or something.

>Somalia managed to produce anything of the generally accepted quality of something like Mad Men I would probably watch it (if I cared for something like Mad Men in the first place).
How do you know if they haven't?
Or let's say not Somalia specifically, but any of the hundreds of non-western languages and cultures that have access to cameras and stuff.
Like, have you actually looked? lol
And before you ask, no, kazakhstan never produced anything of generally accepted quality, so you don't have to look.

>>78084
If core human experience is the same everywhere, then that's further reason to set stories somewhere outside the american middle class bubble. Surely, it won't be a profit loss because ypipo will be able to cross the cultural barrier and relate, just like we're supposed to cross that barrier and enjoy it anyway.
Or maybe cultural specificity does create a barrier, and it's ok for me to not like something on that basis. And I'm not saying hollywood producers should start filming stories about kazakhstan or whatever, they have a moral right to make stories about themselves, and I have a moral right to not like stories I can't relate to.

>My life has not even been remotely like ANYTHING shown there, but still I can enjoy them.
>That said, hardly anything that comes from Hollywood and related outlets can or should be called "art".
Well, we both agree on the premise, but for you it's not a problem, but for me, it detracts from the enjoyment.
And maybe this cultural bubble that prevents the works from being closer to real human experience is the reason that hollywood stuff can't pass the threshold of being "art" in the first place.

Anyway, why do I have to write several paragraphs to justify not liking something for arbitrary personal reasons hmmm?
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No. 78090 Kontra
Don’t have much time to write but I think what Kazakh wants is more of a wish for realism instead of having series starring unbearable witty/cynical assholes whose faults are excused because they are good at something.
Basically he wants the characters to be human instead of coping mechanisms.
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No. 78091 Kontra
>>78086
>Maybe you are the joke after all.
Who knows? A big part of my life could have been a mean-spirited comedy.
At least for you I can tell for sure that you have never even been close to any kind of humor.

>I don't speak for him, retard[...]
Temper, temper. You wouldn't want to be confused for a cabbager, would you? Also, yes you did. You didn't even wait for his reply and instead chimed in like a true hero of the oppressed minorities.

>But when woman or turks complain about power relations that make their life difficult and shit people say "nun hab dich mal nicht so, sei lieber froh das du hier bist/es so gut (hast im Vergleich zu XYZ)"
Because it's the truth? Western feminists are a joke because nobody has an easier life than western women in the west.
And why is it always turks or middle easterners? When you are talking about "refugees" you primarily associate that term with middle easterners and the like, don't you? Why is that? Do no other kinds of refugees/foreigners in Germany exist? If they do, why are they not as vocal or present? Why do people not talk about them as much, be it in bad or good terms?
And why did the Italians actually manage to integrate while the turks didn't? They both came here under the same prerequisites, they both had to face the same prejudices, yet only one group is constantly raving on about MUH HERITAGE and has Erdogan stickers on their cars while the other group is only discernible from Germans by their names. What about greeks, who are basically turks?
Could it possibly have something to do with the inherent incompatibility of islamic "culture" and unwillingness to integrate of these people? I never know if I should laugh about or feel pity for almancis because they're such a pathetic bunch.

>And non-whites with all the bad things (unless considered cool by white people).
>Perhaps that is the problem...?
Since the prerogative of interpretation lies with the people of color, it feels like an entirely selfmade problem. Instead of celebrating their coloredness and taking charge they push themselves further as victims. But only in western societies, obviously, because other people of color would just keep oppressing them.

>since these thoughts are applicable to the situation of black refugees and turks/arabs in Germany for example
No they aren't, at least not as unreflecting 1:1 adopted from the americans as they currently are. As for turks/arabs see above, especially the point with the underpaid workforce and Italians.

>Just reminds me of this guy who said "who wouldn't want turks, they can cook so nice".
Isn't that the common argument when asking someone in which way those people "enrich" us?
>Ah yeah their cuisine, such great food blablabla so little meat and so many veggies blablabala
And that is incredibly "racist" (I hate using that word in general, but especially when talking about ethnicities and cultures) in and by itself because it reduces those people to simply their culinary achievements (if any), assumes that you can not enjoy food if it's not cooked by an authentic foreigner and it shows that you have no other arguments beyond that.
And we are on the same way as the americans of bending so far over to the woke side it's becoming racist again, like only casting people of the proper skin color/ethnicity/whatever to play characters, to only allow colored people to write about colored people struggles and so on, as in the article you posted.
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No. 78092
>>78090
>Basically he wants the characters to be human
Yes, and that's why those characters must by necessity not be white, because wh*te >>>people aren't human.
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No. 78093
>>78092
>>78090
Can you give examples of what you think are "actual" human characters? Just to get an idea what is even meant here.
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>>78092
You should watch Oz or The Wire if you haven't already. They haven human characters and are otherwise pretty good as well.

I'd want to watch The Sopranos but there's just something about watching series that disgusts me in general. Maybe I've watched too many human-less series and lost all hope.
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No. 78095 Kontra
>>78091
>you have never even been close to any kind of humor.

Cool perspective, will write it down and remember it for its cleverness and wit.

>yes you did. You didn't even wait for his reply

I didn't and why should wait for his reply? I was informing you on something people spent time thinking about that was related to the issue at hand, I don't think I need his ok to do so, since I was never speaking in his name and explicitly said so, stop making things up.

>And why did the Italians actually manage to integrate while the turks didn't?

Why do you make a general statement on turks and then your examples is about nationalist turks? (hint: not all turks are nationalist, you would be surprised that many turks and kurds are not erdogan cultists). And why do you assume I think nationalism is acceptable because they are turks or live here.
Especially looking at turk kids 3rd and 4th generation, this statement is more than questionable anway. A turk once said to me many German people fail to see that many Dönerbüden these days are done by arabs and not turks anymore because their kids find/found other and better jobs. Likewise all the turks that do not care about nationalism don't even surface in your perception, instead only negative examples stay with you and work as justification to make a general statement about people of turkish origin.
And concerning Italians I think you forgot the Spagehttifresser Sprüche etc. that these people have been faced with when they came here.

>celebrating their coloredness and taking charge they push themselves further as victims. But only in western societies

When these people do they are got strange looks. I heard that people are allowed to celebrate Zuckerfest these days and don't have to go to school then. Is that a problem for you? They do as you say these days. And you make an either/or distinction here that doesn't really hold. People try to celebrate their cultural rituals and such and can still be victims of discrimination action on the labor and flat market. Why you think this is mutually exclusive is beyond me, you are capable of thinking after all.

>No they aren't, at least not as unreflecting 1:1 adopted from the americans as they currently are.

This statement is wildly funny for two reasons. First what makes you think it is adopted 1:1, because second I think you don't care about this stuff and engage with it, so how do you know this? Maybe you should take a book about this in your hand and read it instead of continuing thinking that the Twittersphere is the only discourse/thinking about these topics. I don't have to agree with everything said by non-whites btw. if you think that is the case but they have some good arguments for why they are let down and discriminated against in several regards in western societies well obviously Florian, it is about discrimination in western societies because they live here and experience a certain kind of discrimination, Syrians living in turkey experience discrimination as well and Turks can be racist against black people and I'm sure that has been criticized as well, just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it does not exist. And I'm pretty sure discrimination can be measured even, I'm quite sure the scientific method and empiricism + mathematics will do a job to get some good insights on the situation.
I you go back to colonialist times I think these distinctions between good whites and bad others (whatever was the quality of deviance) were made by white people in the center and who went to the periphery actually, so I don't think this problem is selfmade. Funnily, you even blame these people. Ofc course it couldn't be your fault and the attitude that was taught to you, no the flaws are with the others but surely not with you and they should accept that. It is telling that it's their fault and (never) yours no, your vest is clean, white people are clean after all (takes this additional remark as sarcasm).

>it reduces those people to simply their culinary achievements

That is what I said and I said this is a problem, not sure what you want from me with this paragraph because you just repeat what I said but think I'm like that or what do you want to say?

>allow colored people to write about colored people struggles and so on, as in the article you posted

Did you read it even? The author agreed with a white person's position about black representation in media. And I agree with this. There is no coincidence that many women in academia write about feminism or black people about racism but I think it is important and good that women or black people write about infrastructure for example and do many other things and get acknowledged for this work done instead of just sticking to racial or feminist topics exclusively. These people are obviously capable of doing research in physics, biology, and social sciences as well without making it about race or oppression/discrimination exclusively.
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>>78093
Shrek is a very human character.
See, Shrek is an asshole, and I guess he was pretty competent at saving the princess, but the story doesn't justify his assholeness. In fact, we see him grow past it a little bit as the story progresses.
Also, we see that his bitterness is the result of him being the designated Other in his society, a quite literal boogeyman, and we see that succeeding at saving the princess doesn't stop his othering, or let him be accepted; just ignored. His character resolves with him accepting himself on his own terms.

Compare to these other characters who are accepted and respected in their environments, highly successful, but act like assholes on top of that, because they can get away with it. And the reason they're assholes is not because of some injustice, but because of their own personal boo hoo hangups which aren't anybody else's fucking problem.

Also, Shrek is canonically Jewish, so he passes the non-white check.
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>>78095
>hint: not all turks are nationalist,
Well, in the last election 60% of eligible turks in Germany voted for the turk Hitler, which makes about 30% of overall turks in Germany.
Imagine the afd got 30% on the federal level. I never said all turks are nationalist btw and it's telling that you conflate MUH HERITAGE with nationalism. Say, are you an almanci?

>And concerning Italians I think you forgot the Spagehttifresser Sprüche etc. that these people have been faced with when they came here.
Maybe if you had actually read my post you'd have caught this one:
>They both came here under the same prerequisites, they both had to face the same prejudices,

>When these people do they are got strange looks.
Yes, and? Are those celebrations actively suppressed? Are those people prevented from celebrating? And am I supposed to accept and welcome everything? I tolerate most things, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it or partake in the celebrations.
Also, this is Germany. Germany is not an islamic country, never has, never will be, no matter how much certain politicians claim how Islam belongs to Germany. In fact, Islam not only does not belong to Germany, it does not belong to any country that wants to claim to be "civilized". Note that this is meant in a relative way, I am not finding us all too civilized either, but no islamic society has actually managed to develop beyond the middle ages on their own and islamic "culture" has in fact not provided anything of value to anything so far. inb4 mathematics (those came from India before they were fucked over by islamic hordes).
That said, I am against religions in general and I care about any islamic celebration as much as I care about easter or ascension day or whatever. Have pic related as illustration. I would certainly still rather live in christian country than an islamic country.
As for discrimination on the labor/flat market, well, that doesn't come out of nowhere. There are certain common experiences with people from certain countries and ethnicities, or are you denying that? And if you can't speak proper german and apply for a job that warrants it, well shit, too bad for you. Go to bavaria or something.

>First what makes you think it is adopted 1:1
What makes you think it's not? Hell, we had George Floyd demonstrations all over Europe, "Person of Color" is used verbatim in german discourse and you're telling me they're not adopting it 1:1 without any kind of reflection or adaptation? Come on now.

>And I'm pretty sure discrimination can be measured even, I'm quite sure the scientific method and empiricism + mathematics will do a job to get some good insights on the situation.
Can you provide examples on that or is it jut wishful thinking?

>so I don't think this problem is selfmade
Yes it is, because if white people are evil and the bane of humanity, why isn't that reflected in all that whiteness talk? Being "white" here does not mean "inherent superiority of the white man" like colonialists would argue.
And if it was actually taken from the colonialist mindset, wouldn't that prove that blacks and other coloreds are indeed inferior because they aren't even able to come up with something themselves?
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No. 78102 Kontra
>>78098
>There are certain common experiences with people from certain countries and ethnicities, or are you denying that? And if you can't speak proper german and apply for a job that warrants it, well shit, too bad for you. Go to bavaria or something.

Ok and? You have bad experiences with Germans and generally white renting people as well. Also, nice assumption that non-whites cannot speak German and thus get no job, so you assume all non-white people on the those markets are basically fresh refugee-tier in their language capabilities. As always these are influenced by socio-economi status and extrinsic and some intrinsic motivation as well.
Speaking of which reminds me of your argument of integrating people and the two-sided problem and paradox of people not being welcome and not welcoming people but telling them to integrate, integrate in a society or culture that doesn't want to is no easy task, but alas it is their task, not yours. It's ME and me only, ok?

>Hell, we had George Floyd demonstrations all over Europe, "Person of Color" is used verbatim in german discourse and you're telling me they're not adopting it 1:1 without any kind of reflection or adaptation?

And? Gorge Floyd is a symbol. Suprised you conflate A (the death of George Floyd through policemen) representing B (discrimination/racism) with actual A. Also, your argument that person of color as term makes everything else that comes with it a 1:1 adaption is just a weak argument. The underlying abstraction that is discrimination is the base for both American and European discourse on this matter. You don't attack Americans for developing abstract concepts that are useful in science as American imperialism, do you?

>Can you provide examples on that or is it jut wishful thinking?

As I said, I don't actively follow this topic. My interests are elsewhere, you can loop up research yourself, some hints:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-658-10976-9_21

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3766090

>if white people are evil and the bane of humanity

Stop being dishonest with hyperbole from a perceived Twittersphere.
Generally, you seek the most simple answers that are possible without taking people or arguments seriously simultaneously.

As for the whole paragraph under the quote: I don't get what you want to say really. When whiteness is the norm than non-whites deviate from what is normal, if that has to do with superiority or not and how that might have to do with colonial history is probably research, look for answers instead of expecting getting handed everything by me who also has not the best knowledge on these things. Maybe it would be good of you for once actually do research and put some hours into actual sources and processed secondary knowledge. I read rightwing people as well, you don't have to be afraid that your political stance will be broken by looking what people actually say outside media like the internet and Televison. no, I didn't say you are right-wing, but you certainly have a problem with non-whites nonetheless which is correlated with rightwingers in Europe though

And deviance is often negatively connotated. Besides something like "isn't there proof that blacks are inferior because they did not do what white man did" (which assumes that black and white people are historically blank slated which is not the case)
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No. 78105
>>78102
>You have bad experiences with Germans and generally white renting people as well.
Ah yes the "how can you not like minorities if the majority ALSO has assholes" argument. It's a great one, that is, if you don't understand statistics. Reminds me of Silvester 2015 "yeah but on the Oktoberfest many more people are raped every year!". Because a single night event with a 1000 people is the same as a multi-week event with millions of people, you know? Or that one argument when one guy said "yeah but most inmates in german prisons are Germans!".

>Also, nice assumption that non-whites cannot speak German and thus get no job, so you assume all non-white people on the those markets are basically fresh refugee-tier in their language capabilities.
Where was I talking about non-whites? I was talking about not being able to speak proper German, period.
Anyone who actually does speak proper German will not have problems on the job market, especially if companies can then also advertise their diversity. A bavarian incest redneck will be as successful in getting such a job as any other foreigner.
It's interesting however that you are constantly talking about non-whites and always assuming I am talking about non-whites. As mentioned before, in your mind all refugees and foreigners seem to be only brown and darker shaded people.

>Speaking of which reminds me of your argument of integrating people and the two-sided problem and paradox of people not being welcome and not welcoming people but telling them to integrate, integrate in a society or culture that doesn't want to is no easy task, but alas it is their task, not yours. It's ME and me only, ok?
Integration is first and foremost in the responsibility of the immigrant. The immigrant must adapt to our ways, not the other way round.
Would you go to another country, say Denmark or Colombia or New Zealand and expect them to welcome your kind of german culture and assburgerism and self-hate just like that? No, you'd learn their fucking language and try to be a good citizen. At least that's what I would do. And I expect the same of anyone coming here.
And I certainly have no problem with anyone just trying to live their life. But trying to get benefits of whatever kind by whining about muh racism muh socioeconomic discrimination is what riles me up. Oh no someone looked at you weirdly, it MUST be because they're racist and not because you're an obnoxious asshole!

>Gorge Floyd is a symbol.
The Floyd gorge is a symbol for what? American police brutality in America perpetuated by the notoriously badly trained american police force? Sure, for that it's certainly a symbol. Weird how nobody talks about Christopher Dorner anymore.

>You don't attack Americans for developing abstract concepts that are useful in science as American imperialism, do you?
Wait, how is american imperialism useful in science? Also, I generally attack Americans for basically everything.

>Stop being dishonest with hyperbole from a perceived Twittersphere.
Funny, that one single occurrence of the term seems to have done a number on you, because it's all you seem to be able to talk about anymore.

>I don't get what you want to say really.
Read again, I'm sure you will understand eventually.

>but you certainly have a problem with non-whites
When exactly is one "non-white"? And what exactly brought you to that extremely generalizing conclusion? Have I complained about sub-saharan africans specifically? Or amazonian indians? Vietnamese? Inuit? Are the Irish white? At some point in history they weren't considered that. Are Russians white? So, whom is it have I a problem with?
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No. 78107
>>77576
If Christian societies managed to reach developed capitalism with everything that comes with it, it's hard to see why Islamic societies cannot. In fact, Iran (an exemplary modern society governed by Islamic norms) evolved amazingly in our lifetime alone; because, ultimately, it's our socioeconomic existence which largely defines our consciousness.

Islamic migrant minorities, on the other hand, pose some quite specific problems. In particular, feeling surrounded by a generally alien environment, they end up being radically more religious and patriarchal than their compatriots at home. All those issues must be dealt with by the state somehow, from the position of benevolent force. Definitely not in the manner France does that.
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No. 78110
>>78107
Marxian thought, ridiculous. Islamic societies are low trust societies, with a culture of honor instead of a culture of law. The ensueing violent clan culture, corruption and lack of rule of law prevents entrepreneurship, investment and economic development. Circumstances in a society are shaped by the prevailing culture, not the other way round.

Iran is not a developed capitalist country, either. One half of their economy is run by religious organizations, the other half is run by the army.
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No. 78111
I think this whole cultural marxist diversity and inclusion rhetoric was invented by white people as a safety net for when they stop being the world hegemony and become marginalized, so they can point at it and say to us: "look at all those books and papers we wrote about how oppressing people is bad, so you shouldn't do it".
Very clever, but I'm onto them.
When the Oriental Millennium kicks off, I'll make sure to be extra racist towards wh*tes, and teach my grandchildren about their vile tricks.
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No. 78112 Kontra
>>78091
>And why did the Italians actually manage to integrate while the turks didn't?
Because Italians can launder Mafia-Money in Germany and Turks have to pimp and sell drugs to get rich. Only semi-joking.
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No. 78113
>>78111
>I think this whole cultural marxist diversity and inclusion rhetoric was invented by white people
Literal German Jews in New York invented it in the 20th century. It's called the Frankfurt School, and no, that is not a conspiracy, that is what they called them self.

>when they stop being the world hegemony and become marginalized, so they can point at it and say to us: "look at all those books and papers we wrote about how
In critical theory, oppression is not situational, but absolute and it's direction is a constant. Any white person is always and forever oppressing any black person. If you are not aware of that circumstance, and paint the thought that white people could be oppressed signifies that you are not, then you suffer from false consciousness.
You have asked yourself with white people!
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No. 78114
>>78113
Wow, how arrogant of the ypipo to frame themselves as unconditionally dominating and superior, regardless of circumstance.
I want to be racist against and oppress whites, but apparently I quite literally, metaphysically can not do so, because whitey said so. That makes me angry and frustrated.

There's no winning with these "people".
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No. 78115
>>77576
>>78095
> I heard that people are allowed to celebrate Zuckerfest these days and don't have to go to school then. Is that a problem for you?
Not him, but it IS a problem to me when they follow their backwards racist misogynistic religion here.
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No. 78116 Kontra
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Wishing you assburgers a nice weekend and enjoyable relaxations.

>>78111
The Wectern mind control has gotten to you so bad you even want to repeat the crimes of wypipo instead of leading humanity into blossoming space gommunism when it will be within your grasp.
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No. 78117
>>78114
>I cannot do so
Let me cheer you up: You even suggesting white people could be oppressed is in itself a form of oppression directed against everyone oppressed by white people, so you get a chance to oppress someone. Also, you can become a rich as fuck capitalist and oppress the working class, including the white working class, but be simultaneously oppressed by them, since you are non white.
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No. 78118
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>>78110
I don't think that it's inherent part of Islam. Like France is catholic but it's not same shithole as Mexico or Brazil. Same with Muslims. In Tatarstan and in Livia they are different.

>>78113
> cultural Marxism
Oh Hans, stop it with anti-Semitism!
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No. 78119 Kontra
The temperature is turning me into an eco-fascist.

And all your discussion on white people is highly entertaining.
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No. 78120 Kontra
>>78105
>majority

no numbers, no proof whatsoever for such a grand scope of claim

>actually does speak proper German will not have problems on the job market

we are not speaking of getting any job, sure a job will be achievable, even people who speak very little German can find at job as Amazon worker

>Integration is first [...]

The paragraph is mostly a pile of shit from Ernst marking he is made of steel, die harte Hand muss es schon sein, klar.
Anyway, I would learn the language yes, maybe you research why people don't instead of making assumptions of which the whole paragraph of yours mostly consists of.

>The Floyd gorge is a symbol for what? American police brutality in America perpetuated by the notoriously badly trained american police force? Sure, for that it's certainly a symbol.

Are dumb? I told you what he is a symbol for but now you try to decide what the symbol is instead for these people without a good reason. It just adds an aspect I didn't care too much about. George Floyd is used as symbol to discuss not only police brutality but also racism. In case you didn't notice both has been intertwined but I bet my ass that in Germany what is more important is the discrimination/racism and not just the police brutality.

>Wait, how is american imperialism useful in science? Also, I generally attack Americans for basically everything.

Made me laugh 10/10

>Funny, that one single occurrence of the term seems to have done a number on you, because it's all you seem to be able to talk about anymore.

Yeah but maybe you noticed that I do so because you mentioned it as viable source. It seems like it's your only source and that is why I use that word so often. Jesus is this exhausting.

>When exactly is one "non-white"?

when non-white, I'm not talking about the skin color, you remember?

>>78110
>its this way and not the other way around

lame. multiple feedback loops wins.

>>78113
>It's called the Frankfurt School, and no, that is not a conspiracy, that is what they called them self.

Where is the diagram? Anyway. If you read the Kulturindustrie chapter you will see it has not much to do with current discourse. Adorno even talked bad about jazz, no? What people call cultural marxism has to do with cultural studies and is basically leftists that made culture an important research object. But that happens when righties never read the sources but belive things that went through a hundred hands of the online cesspool.

>oppression is not situational

Which is wrong. More orthodox marxism might see that differently but that is not a major strand anymore and orthodox marxist didn't care much or at all about race and gender so these different concepts never really came to be together.

>>78115
Christianity is also racist and misogynist and backward and yet some scientist were or even still are Christians. Maybe Islam is more than a power structure just like Christianity is not only a power structure. And we have those days where people get free for this bullshit. We better have science holidays from now on.
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No. 78121
In other news, philosophy, sociology and political theory are the latest things to be ruined by american tech-bros.

Lately I've been annoyed with clicking on an "interesting article / blog post that talks about X from a fresh perspective!!11" and it's some tech person trying to deliver their point by making analogies to computer science concepts.

Can these people just shut the fuck up? Or at least read some entry level stuff before trying to "disrupt" an established field?
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No. 78122 Kontra
>>78118
>Oh Hans, stop it with anti-Semitism!

One wonders why he had to explicitly mentioned that it was jews. How does that help if not to make it a jewish conspiracy.
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No. 78123
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>>78111
>When the Oriental Millennium kicks off,
Then you won't be the one who decides what to teach his grandchildren about. :D
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No. 78124
>>78122
>One wonders why he had to explicitly mentioned that it was jews.
One wonders why it is required to never ever mention that.
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No. 78125 Kontra
>>78120
>Christianity is also racist and misogynist
Nice whataboutism. Are you muslim or why are you defending that retarded backwards desert cult so much and focus so much on it? Or are you just one of those typical greens who, for some reason not graspable for any sane person, just LOVE to fellate anything muslamic?

But I like your polemic suggestions to have science holidays. I would support it.
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No. 78126 Kontra
>>78124
Because it adds nothing? What does it add? What is the reason to include it, it has to be important for the explanation or else could be excluded.
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No. 78127
>>78123
I'll just become a sinoid convert.
They won't be able to tell I'm an impostor unless I try to speak.
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No. 78128 Kontra
>>78125
No, but I don't see how to accept all the Christians in Germany then. They should be expelled to a country where they can live their racist and misogynist and backward religion.
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No. 78129 Kontra
>>78125
And after all those discussion you are still not able to parse that I don't agree with any shitty discriminatory behavior from anyone. I accept Islam if practiced not as political ends or power structure, otherwise I don't think it's a thing to be excited about. What you don't seem to get is that I don't think all Muslims are like that, unlike you it seems.

You drain all my energy with your bs btw. which is why I should quit feeding the trashcan now.
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No. 78130 Kontra
>>78129
>What you don't seem to get is that I don't think all Muslims are like that, unlike you it seems.
Hey, let's do a small experiment, shall we?
Go to a group of christians - not Jesus Freaks or evangelicals, just "regular people" who just so happen to be brought up under Catholicism or Protestantism and tell them the bible is bullshit.
Then do the same with a group of "regular people" muslims and tell them the koran is bullshit.
Anyone not actively rejecting Islam is retarded, no exceptions.

>You drain all my energy with your bs btw. which is why I should quit feeding the trashcan now.
Don't start shit if you can't commit.
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No. 78131 Kontra
I have a confession to make
I made up all of that stuff about wanting to watch a series. or having watched them. I didn't.

I just had this random observation from pop-cultural osmosis that a lot of protagonists from such series have some arbitrary similarities, and decided to make a throwaway shitpost.

I added "white" to the description at the last minute hoping it would generate more replies.
it did.
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No. 78133
>>78131
Well, to be precise your post only generated one reply (which is more than 0, of course). In reality, it was the unwarranted moral highground german who generated more replies.
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No. 78134
>>78133
Don't try to debate the metaphysics of causality with me (you will lose)
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No. 78136
>>78120
>Anyway. If you read the Kulturindustrie chapter you will see it has not much to do with current discourse.

I think current wokeness consists mainly of the following elements:

The Gramscian idea that culture is produced by the oppressors, hence the intense criticism and scepticism of close to all cultural products. We also see that in critical theory, as exemplified by Adorno, who, as you mentioned, expressed critiques of all nearly all music anyone listens to voluntarily.
The neo-marxist idea that academics should not try to be objective, but have their political goals in mind. Horkheimer names this as a difference between traditional theory and critical theory.
The deeply illiberal neo-marxist idea that liberalism in itself is a form of oppression, i.e. "I am oppressed until my [supposed] oppressor is silenced, and those who do not want him being silenced are oppressive." Violence is recommended to achieve this. Example: Repressive Tolerance, Herbert Marcuse.
The Marxist idea of false consciousness, that a person can be oppressed without realizing that he is oppressed and in what way he is oppressed.

Corollary 1:) Only the woke in-crowd can decide who is oppressed and who is not oppressed in an internal progress without even trying to objectify who is oppressed to what extend, it's all negotiated based on the fee-fees of the in-crowd.. For example, a black conservative intellectual like Thomas Sowell is unable to even argue his own degree of oppression. Any outsider is either an oppressor and must be silenced by the movement, or not conscious of his oppression, due to his oppression and brain-washing by products of the cultural industry, and hence, must be converted.
Corollary 2:) The movement can never de-radicalize itself, only radicalize itself, because it is impossible to justify any amount of moderation within its theoretical framework, and operating outside the framework is VERBOTEN.

Just the perfect ideology to establish witch hunts and destroy oppressors in re-education camps, if you ask me. But I still hope it won't come to that.
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No. 78138 Kontra
>>78130
> just "regular people"

Ok. Just like normal people, man.

>Don't start shit if you can't commit.

I will simply decide what I want to do and not follow your requests for further commitment, lol.
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No. 78140
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Grievance studies are so boring and repulsive. They surely contributed net negative to acceptance of minorities. Anime, on the other hand...
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No. 78143 Kontra
>>78138
>I will simply decide what I want to do and not follow your requests for further commitment, lol.
a) it wasn't a request of any kind, I called you a quitter
b) you're still arguing with me, aren't you?
Now, what is it? Being a quitter or the one entertaining the random imageboard mook?
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No. 78147
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Why are you not striving to be more like this man, Ernst?
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No. 78148
>>78147
Because being fat is unhealthy.
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No. 78158
>>78136
>But I still hope it won't come to that.
I hope it will.

Because why would the oppressed be obliged to reach some arbitrarily high standard of authenticity or ideal in order to change their circumstances?
Anyone would rather be a hypocrite than a slave. Why should the oppressed be expected to first provide an utopia for everyone (including their oppressors) before they can escape their own dystopia?
You know the saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", or the phrase "analysis paralysis"? Kinda like that. Why strive for the unreachable ideal, when you can get the next best thing?
Yeah, the ideology is bullshit and it's all about power dynamics. Good. What you gonna do about it?
It's like the discourse around communism. "Oh, you think current system le... BAD? Well, provide me with a full blueprint of an ideal utopic society or you can't criticize le current system". How about, we first violently murder the bourgeois, and figure out the rest later? And even if we don't, I'll be ok with just the first step.
Because it's not the job of the oppressed to worry about the well being of the oppressors in the process of ending oppression.
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No. 78160 Kontra
>>78136
>The Gramscian idea that culture is produced by the oppressors, hence the intense criticism and scepticism of close to all cultural products.

You apply this to wokeness but it perfectly describes the new rights way of using Gramscian theory to force the hegemony again. (People like Alain de Benoist is the striking figure here). It is new rights, and libertarians these days that express the said attributes of criticism and skepticism. I will help you and point to Laclau and Mouffe that made a whole theory out of it in which it is a constant struggle in the cultural field.

>The neo-marxist idea that academics should not try to be objective, but have their political goals in mind. Horkheimer names this as a difference between traditional theory and critical theory.

Either this is formulated badly or it's not very faithful I think. Having your political goals in mind...how to understand this statement? It has been a years since I read that text but as far as I know the Frankfurt School (and especially Adorno) had a Bilderverbot. So no goals and plans for the better life. But having your political goals in mind then means is that traditional theory fails to see the politics and social power their reasoning is taking. And this probably doesn't even mean physical laws but is more accurately aimed at engineering.

>liberalism in itself is a form of oppression

prove me it's not. Liberal ideals don't prevent oppressive social structures.
What this translates to in the end is: we have capitalism and people suffer from this political economy (specific organization of social relations that works with oppression to function as it does).

>Only the woke in-crowd can decide who is oppressed and who is not oppressed in an internal progress without even trying to objectify who is oppressed to what extend

Interesting. It reminds me of that I don't know how the epistemology of Marx and others that follow the idea of ideology reason here. And Marx was not a social constructivist (which would be more important than the Frankfurt school but whatever), so objectivity, enlightenment and science play an important role and tradition for Marx. The question of epistemology is a question I ask myself for a long time, maybe I've crossed answers already but it is a very valid question. You don't seem to know either, otherwise you would have an actual explanation for the words quoted but you don't. Instead, you present us a black box with a made up explanation of in-crowd social theory wibbly-wobbly that goes against classical marxist reasoning where objective consciousness was the aim. As I said you look at the wrong people and the wrong neo-marxists to explain a large chunk of reasoning in US debates.
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No. 78166
>>78158
>How about, we first violently murder the bourgeois, and figure out the rest later?
I don't understand, what do you need to figure out? Let's just take their place and oppress proles instead of them.
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No. 78167
ok, here's something I've always thought was weird

you know how some anime fans will use pictures of their waifus or favorite female characters or whatever as their avatars, and also claim they're straight and not trans and totally don't have gender issues?
and they'll say "oh, I don't identify with the character, I just like the character / character design, that's why I use them as my avatar". and they're probably, like, sexually attracted to their waifu and beat off to porn of her regularly so they sorta have a point about not being gay
but

imagine a dude on social media who uses a picture of his girlfriend as his profile picture. and he says "i just like the way she looks, that's why I use her picture as my avatar". Wouldn't that be super fucking weird? and this guy presumably has actual sex with his girlfriend, rather than just beating off to her, but that doesn't actually reinforce his straightness, that just makes it weirder.

why do we give anime fags a pass on this? This should be addressed.
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>>78167
>imagine a dude on social media who uses a picture of his girlfriend as his profile picture. and he says "i just like the way she looks, that's why I use her picture as my avatar". Wouldn't that be super fucking weird?

Thanks for the funny image in my heada.
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>>78167
Isn't one's social standing automatically reduced to a bottom feeder if they use an anime profile picture? Personally it's hard to care about them enough to even start pondering the questions you're asking, so there's not a pass really. You already lost by using an anime avatar. I think the real question is still related to using female characters in MMOs and such. I don't think it has been concluded yet.

Picture somewhat relevant. The Estonian mushroom salesman who destroyed the pathetic Finnish police force years ago is back in Finland, selling his goods. Holding my breath to see how the situation develops.
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No. 78172
>>78167
Avatar is usually used as one of two things:
  1. Your image.
  2. Some image you like.
If you use your gf's image people would think of the first case and consider it's weird because expected person does not match person on the pic. With anime avatars, other cartoon characters, animals, celebrities, soccer clubs logos it's obviously second case and we don't feel same cognitive dissonance.

But kpop stars for example are not celebrities for me (I don't know them) so when I see Asian guy on avatar of female I feel weird before I understand.
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No. 78174
>>78160
>You apply this to wokeness but it perfectly describes the new rights
Diversion
>way of using Gramscian theory to force the hegemony again.
But I will follow it.
So there is currently a hegemony of the left? How can leftists of all races, sexual orientations, sexes, etc. be a hegemonial and oppressed by right-wing forces at the same time? Maybe oppression is not a constant between groups, but circumstantial between individuals?

>Either this is formulated badly or it's not very faithful I think.
Perhaps.
In traditional theoretical thinking, the genesis of particular objective facts, the practical application of the conceptual systems by which it grasps the facts, and the role of such systems in action, are all taken to be external to the theoretical thinking itself.
So, here we have a critique of the concept of objectivity.
Critical thinking, on the contrary, is motivated today by the effort really to transcend the tension and to abolish the opposition between the individuals purposefulness, spontaneity and rationality and those work-process relationships on which society is built.
and that concept also limits our purposefulness, so do away with it. Which arguably led to the now polarized political scene we now suffer through. Of course, to Marxists of any kind, political tensions are the precursor to revolution, so they are welcomed. It's a bug, not a feature.

>Bilderverbot
Which is another way of saying "we want to destroy society, but we have no vision for what comes afterwards, can only be better, lol". Compare that to Hitler. He wanted to kill and destroy, but at least he had a vision for what was to become after, it was not causing chaos, destruction and hell on earth just for the sake of it.

>prove me it's not. Liberal ideals don't prevent oppressive social structures
Illiberal ideals produce oppressive social structures. Illiberal social structures are oppressive by definition. Also
>proving a negative

>What this translates to in the end is: we have capitalism and people suffer from this political economy
Are we at this point in the discussion again, where you blame all and every problem on the right to own property and to trade goods at market prices? Without any suggestions on how to set up an economy in a better way? Without stating alternatives, you can not even argue from theory that an improved state is possible by abolishing the two aforementioned rights.
How can you then argue that capitalism is either a necessary or an sufficient pre-condition?

Everyone who argues against economic freedom should be honest enough to stop wiping their asses, because economic freedom of the individual is the only thing that ever achieved the amazing feat of bringing sufficient amounts of quality toilet-paper to the masses. The salon-socailists should all stop wiping their asses, so they smell like shit and everyone else would be pre-warned.

>Instead, you present us a black box with a made up explanation of in-crowd social theory wibbly-wobbly that goes against classical marxist reasoning where objective consciousness was the aim.
Consider objective consiousness deprecated, it did not produce the desired revolution. I described the observed process, not the process deemed desirable from a theoretical point of view. From the pre-stated characteristics, the only alternative left is self-radicalizing mob-rule, and that fits the observations nicely.
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No. 78175
>>78174
> So there is currently a hegemony of the left?
Yes, absolute majority of western elites (governments, corporations and academia) are so-called "wokes" or "progressives". Yet they present themselves as le resistance and revolutionary force. Meanwhile conservatives and libertarians are disenfranchised and don't hold much of institutional power but they are waving dicks and laugh at "helpless liberal snowflakes".

Here it's the similar situation. Vatniks are all about grievances, they are completely oppressed by ebil liberals. Meanwhile liberals laugh at "Putin beating in hysteric" (Путин стучит ножками в бункере) before being imprisoned for a long sentences.

And it kinda makes sense. If you hold all the cards, you present yourself as victim to justify actions against political opponents. If you're in opposition you have to play cool in order not to look as looser.
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No. 78177
>>78175
The question was rhetorical in nature. But you spell it out clearly and I agree, it does make sense. And it has a lot of historic precedence.
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No. 78178
Nothing brings me greater joy than coming home after a long day of work, brewing some tea and read German bickering.

Happy weekend, Ernst.
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No. 78179 Kontra
>>78174
>So there is currently a hegemony of the left?

From the perspective of the new rights yes, I was speaking of/paraphrasing an argument and a way the new right is following for nearly three decades now, the reversion of "1968" as one greater aim. I mean you were spouting and whining about greens and your freedoms at danger by the language police more or less and all this shit. Bavaria schizo is a perfect example of what I mean. He is heavily impacted by the thoughts of the "new" right (given that history of them has many decades now already it is not so new anymore). Just go to any comment section on the alternative libertarian and new right media and you will see the stance that leftism globohomo elites making us suffer and take our freedumbs.

>Perhaps.

Can you explain to em what you did, I'm
a) not sure if you understood the quotes
b) what context the quotes are set in
c) I cannot follow your reading in general

First of all as I said already, I'm not sure if this attack on objectivity is aimed at physics for example, it is probably not the case but you present it to us as a general critic of objectivity. But this is wrong. What is probably the case is that Horkheimer criticizes "objective" (social) sciences for denying the thought/argument that their own thinking about a society that is deemed objective is actually mediated by social relations hence not simply objective. Adorno's Spätkapitalismus oder Industriegesellschaft makes a similar case, obviously the concept of Industriegesellschaft is traditional theory and thus critizied Mediation in marxian thought is close to distortion of the real reality. By claiming to objectively describing social relations these people give out things as (natural) facts on society while in fact these actually have an historic index, as you might know the historical in historical materialism points at this weight historicity as in the argument of Marxian social theory. Since social relations are political, you cannot get the politics out of social theory unlike some people that that are attacked by Horkheimer.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A4tkapitalismus_oder_Industriegesellschaft

>Which is another way of saying "we want to destroy society, but we have no vision for what comes afterwards, can only be better, lol

Ignoring the ridiculous Hitler comparison this is not the case. The argument given is that the ideal picture one is aiming towards will lead to sufferings (see Hitler, Stalin etc.) The background of their thinking is WW2 and the Holocaust. These are caused by idealism and grand plans of what the future looks like and what should be. Der neue Mensch. But this went terribly wrong as WW2 and totalitarianism showed hence no more Bilder. Adorno was attacked by the students for not being on board with a new dreamt of future.

>by definition

and a definition of liberalism will not make it automatically turn out just, and non-oppressive. Reality is not simply coherent with a logical system.

>Are we at this point in the discussion again

You think so, but I'm not having this discussion again. Just because a system brings this and that amount of goods doesn't make it the best system. It is just the current system and you are happy with it because you have a quite well position in this society, of course people like you want to stay it that way and won't advocate for anything else that could cost you your beneficial position in this system.

>From the pre-stated characteristics, the only alternative left is self-radicalizing mob-rule, and that fits the observations nicely.

I don't see why this is the only alternative but whatever.
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No. 78183
I got paid today. Put some half of it into my savings for rainy days, quarter into the “spend later” section and a quarter I’m spending next week I think.
Ordered that bookstand. I wanted to get one for a long while now but I never really needed it for long when I actually needed it but I guess preparing for my thesis is as good a time to get one as any.

On the tomato front I was pessimistic but since I harvested the first two batches they’ve really come alive and started growing more fruits. There’s quite a few on the way and I’m happy it wasn’t a total waste. Also harvested the first sunflower seeds.

>>78167
2bh I never really understood it either.
t.has “literally me” anime males as pfp on discord and twitter

I guess animetards online just keep to themselves enough to not warrant an inordinate amount of hatred for things like these.

P.S. I have a love-hate relationship with how you made a correct diagnosis in the case of House M.D. because I literally only watched it because I got a kick out of the “epic verbal ownage” the protag dishes out, and the moment it stopped being the main attraction I dropped the series.
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No. 78185
>>78076
One year
I was taking care of my aunt and she goes to art class so I joined
She already has a lot of tools so it wasn't hard
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No. 78189
>>78174
> From the pre-stated characteristics, the only alternative left is self-radicalizing mob-rule, and that fits the observations nicely.
Reminds me of shartposter who praised LDNR. And I mean not the idea of self-determination of Donbas people but the social structure of meme republics. In AmeriKKKa power belongs to soulless capitalists who ruin everything but in DNR it's honest warlords and bandits who have the power.

>>78179
You set the standard for "oppression" so low that non-oppressive systems simply don't exist. If the point of critique is to change society to better (which is ofc not the case with grievance studies) then it shouldn't paint everything black because there is no way to satisfy such complains. It's as unproductive as jingoist support of all policies. Just like measuring device is useless if it always shows minimum value or always maximal value.

We've already discussed the example with tutoring. As long as it's legal, it's "a soul-crushing exploitative system". But if it's banned then it's "a fascist embodiment of education into oppressive hierarchical structures". You can generate angry woke word-salad on any issue.

> From the perspective of the new rights yes
And in reality? (unless you deny it's existence)
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>>78189
Social Progress is to me at least a process in which critique of what is, is a valuable enterprise. You think enlightenment is a good thing, don't you? It gave us science and capitalist liberalism after all. And what was a large part of the enlightenment? Exactly! Critique... good boy! The critique of oppressive power structures and its knowledge both religiously motivated and used as justification. People have a hard time understanding that Marx was in line with that thinking and basically said the liberal burgis only made half the effort and replaced the power structures of the church with their own economic power that translated into social power and again repression of other people in order to function.
People that critique leftism make the same argument in the end, but they don't understand the details. It's always hurr durr power and repression, no? Maybe that is the struggle, who would have thought! But if you believe in human rationality you might also believe in social progress.

Since you haven't (really) read deep into what you talk about (and even I who read a few things about it over the years is not sure) I'm skeptical that your representation of it as everything is repression is simply faulty and omits large writing on what freedom is from their point of view.

>grievance studies

Why do you make it (always) the center of your attack, it's not representative of what we discuss here in large.

>We've already discussed the example with tutoring

You did not understand the reasoning behind it, your simple split is just dumb and omits things in order to appear as you make it appear. I'm sorry, looks like you are a slow learner, it's ok, we will get there.
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No. 78191 Kontra
›Weekend finally arrives
›I expect it to be great
›Two neighbours blasting music
›Entire family is home so I get constantly nagged
›Have to take care of my own food still
They fucking went to a fucking weekend market, had breakfast there and didn’t bring home anything for me to eat, but they bought meat for the dogs. What even the fuck is this shit.

I have a feeling I should just man up and leave for the city automatically next week and just be in the library all day and have some trash food in between.
I mean I would if it wasn’t closed for some reason.

But then again normal people somehow manage to cope with things like these, so it’s just me who is so chronically unfit fo living.
Or maybe they just won’t voice their complaints like I do.

In my ideal 1984 state dogs will be tied to an owner’s licence and loudspeakers will be a government monopoly.
But I will still feel like crying probably.
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>>78191
>They fucking went to a fucking weekend market, had breakfast there and didn’t bring home anything for me to eat, but they bought meat for the dogs. What even the fuck is this shit.
I've come to realize you fear blue collar people because in the event that they come to the city and drag you to the countryside and make you dig irrigation trenches before you succumb to exhaustion - you'd know it was completely justified.

Have a good weekend, intellectual.
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No. 78193
>>78183
>“epic verbal ownage”
whenever there are those super cool sigma male scenes, I just imagine a slightly less attractive version of the character trying to do that IRL to people who aren't willing to humor his bullshit.
imagine the cringe

also, didn't something similar happen to you recently, where your le cool dark academic persona initially attracted a girl, but when actually interacting with you, she broke up after the first date via text?

it's like how most martial arts only work with a cooperating adversary, and once you have a determined hostile adversary, none of the techniques work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xd2MUJSil4

which is fine I guess, as long as there's an understanding that martial arts is a sport, and real self defense involves way more sprinting than punching.
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No. 78194
>>78190
The main problem of Marxism is that it's self-denying in many ways. Dialectic materialism failed to become a properly materialist philosophy (unlike the core ideas of the Popperian critical rationalism - though the social ideas of Popper are rather idealistic and short-sighted, not being properly based on his own philosophic approach). And, essentially, Marxism is a markedly capitalist philosophy; remove capitalism (like it was done in the USSR) and its ideas quickly lose their social base, making it inherently unstable as an ideology. You can then talk about permanent revolution as much as you want, but it will be just idealistic conscious activity not actually based on the economic reality and thus statistically doomed to end sooner or later.
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No. 78196
>>78179
>Just go to any comment section on the alternative libertarian and new right media and you will see the stance that leftism globohomo elites making us suffer and take our freedumbs.
Maybe they do. Saying 'negro', for example, is not a freedom I am particularly keen to have. But I do not think racists should have their lives ruined by extra-judicial twitter-mobs, for what is in the worst case a minor offense.

Both quotes are taken from Horkheimers essay "Traditional Theory and Critical Theory". He gives a short introduction of theoritcal building, speaks about mathematics and the formalization of science, enlightens us about his Kant-reception, etc, then goes on to highlight were the differences between critical theory and classical theory are.
>In traditional theoretical thinking, the genesis of particular objective facts, the practical application of the conceptual systems by which it grasps the facts, and the role of such systems in action are all taken to be external to the theoretical thinking itself
So to Horkheimer, this system's epistemological apparatus is lacking, because it is not self-referential i.e. not subject of discussion/scrutiny, but generally accepted, thus not objective.

>Critical thinking, on the contrary, is motivated today by the effort really to transcend the tension and to abolish the opposition between the individuals purposefulness, spontaneity and rationality and those work-process relationships on which society is built.
So in critical theory, there is an aim other than the establishment of 'objective facts', and this is the aim of abolishing this proposed tension, as opposed to extending the corpus of human knowledge.

>Since social relations are political, you cannot get the politics out of social theory unlike some people that that are attacked by Horkheimer.
In a political world, everything that is observed, measured, discovered or engineered has a potential bearing on politics. This is trivial, but I do not know where the argument is going. Should whole fields be 'changed' by outside intervention of tolerant anti-oppressors until enough key-positions in those field are held by the oppressed? How many oppressors, if any, should even be tolerated?

>and a definition of liberalism will not make it automatically turn out just, and non-oppressive
Still, illiberalism is oppressive by default.

>just because a system brings this and that amount of goods doesn't make it the best system
In lieu of alternatives, I consider it the best known system.

>It is just the current system and you are happy with it because you have a quite well position in this society
Maybe I am just satisfied with less than most people. The way I live would be considered pathetic and poor by turks. I don't even own a car, how can I have a good position?

>of course people like you want to stay it that way and won't advocate for anything else that could cost you your beneficial position in this system.
I am a little flattered, but I am certainly not a CEO or something. Still, I agree. I am obviously not thrilled by the idea that I, for example, might be thrown out of my flat, because woke activists decide it should be given to the anti-oppressors, i.e. the activists. Which roughly is what happened to the Jewish oppressors of German nazis or the bourgeois oppressors of Russian leninists. Later, many those oppressors were send to camps. Such is revolutionary justice.

>I don't see why this is the only alternative but whatever.
Because it follows from doctrine that anyone who is not at least as radical as the current group consensus is either a) insufficiently conscious or b) an oppressor, while correctives grounded in attempts at objectivity are not applicable. Objectivity is oppressive, after all.
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No. 78197
>>78158
>Why should the oppressed be expected to first provide an utopia for everyone (including their oppressors) before they can escape their own dystopia?
Which oppressed? Black Americans? Black median household income in the USA is higher than German median household income.
You? As far as I remember, you are in the habit of going places by taxi. Anyone who can hire a servant to go places is hardly oppressed.

There are people who live in slavery or near-slavery conditions-but as far as I can tell, that not what the "oppressed" woke activists care about. They care about the share of black female gay STEM-professors at American universities -- essentially, they want more of the cake for themselves, and since they got liberal arts degrees and there's a shortage of tenured positions in liberal arts, they force the creation of bullshit-chairs for "feminism in mathematical logics", etc.
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No. 78198
Been looking for a new flat mate for about 4 weeks. Had maybe 10 people visit the apartement so far and today was the first candidate that actually felt like a good match.

Everyone so far was friendly and polite, that part was never an issue. It's hard to pin down what made the difference, but todays visitor was the first where I had a feeling that it would be nice to live with them for some time.

Now comes the hardest part: Telling all the others that they can't have the room... feels awful to deliver bad news :<
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No. 78200
>>78197
>You? As far as I remember, you are in the habit of going places by taxi. Anyone who can hire a servant to go places is hardly oppressed.
In a real sense, everyone is oppressed - oppressed by material and biological laws. The demiurge has harmed more than any human tyrant. I don't think my government wants me to die, they'd have me pay taxes for the rest of eternity. Not that bastard that locked my spirit in this material world.

>>78196
>Saying 'negro', for example, is not a freedom I am particularly keen to have.
This is really the worse. If it belongs to anyone, it belongs to my people. It's oppressive that they gave hateful meaning to words like "Negro", "Barracão", even "pequenino". Still, not as bad as cancer.
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No. 78202
>>78200
"Material and biological laws" are social constructs invented by dead white males to reinforce their dominance.
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No. 78203 Kontra
>>78194
Dialectical materialism and historical materialism are not the same though.

And the permanent revolution is a democratic idea of the enlightenment era btw.

There was no capitalism in feudalism. So any capitalism was an ideal/abstract idea before it materialized. I don't see how that cannot be the case for any postcapitalist society that is not just a copy of what has been already tried in social organization.
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No. 78204
>>78196
I still think that even the mathematical part as general is in the end still aimed at quantitative social sciences and theory making.

>I am obviously not thrilled by the idea that I, for example, might be thrown out of my flat,

This is a made up scenario and thinking that leftist thinking people are like some young twitter mobs is just a confusion of representation. The general idea is that everybody should have a flat to live in and not that the former oppressed should live like kings and the rest has to bleed now. But that is what people fear. And yeah, some people will lose their shit when certain private property is abolished (I promise nobody will take your laptop and toothbrush and your fancy sofa, that was never the idea) but that was never a secret anyway. The people without private property and means of production have a different interest than the ones that have it, otherwise there would not be any fear. The clerics and aristocrats of late medieval Europe also feared the losing of their privilege and they also thought it was the best system ever.
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No. 78205 Kontra
>>78204
> This is a made up scenario
This is what happened multiple times when communists came to power.
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No. 78206 Kontra
>>78205
Examples? When were simple working people without political or economic power just kicked out of their living space back then?
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No. 78207 Kontra
An interesting observation came to my mind, though it is known already but while people fear the left twitter mob that threatens their freedom to insult people it is right wingers that write in comment sections how they dream of killing climate activists and hanging politicians. Ironically they blame blacks and women for claiming a position of the victim while they themselves claim to be the biggest victims of all. You cannot simply invent the shit these people do by yourself that is how dumb it is.
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No. 78208
>>78206
And now let's read this fragment from the famous "Letters of Sholokhov to Stalin" - the very ones that describe collectivization in the Kuban.

“It was officially and strictly forbidden for the rest of the collective farmers to let the deportees into their houses to spend the night or to warm themselves. They had to live in sheds, cellars, on the streets, in gardens. The population was warned: whoever lets the evicted family in will be evicted with his family. And they were evicted only because some collective farmer, touched by the roar of freezing children, let his evicted neighbor warm up. 1090 families in -20-degree frost from day to day around the clock lived on the street. During the day, like shadows, they wandered about their closed houses, and at night they sought shelter from the cold in sheds, in chaff. But according to the law established by the regional committee, they were not allowed to spend the night there either! The chairmen of the village councils and secretaries of the cells sent patrols through the streets, who rummaged through the sheds and drove the families of the collective farmers thrown out of their houses into the streets.
I saw something that cannot be forgotten until death: in the Volokhovsky farm of the Lebyazhensky collective farm at night, in a fierce wind, in the cold, when even dogs hide from the cold, families of those thrown out of their houses burned fires on the alleys and sat near the fire. Children were wrapped in rags and laid on the ground that had thawed from the fire. A continuous cry of children stood over the lanes. How can you bully people like that!
It seemed to me that this was one of Ovchinnikov's excesses, but at the end of January or at the beginning of February, Zimin, the secretary of the regional committee, arrived in Veshenskaya. On the way to Veshenskaya, he spent two hours at the Chukarinsky collective farm and spoke at the bureau of the Republic of Kazakhstan about the progress of grain procurements on this collective farm. The first question he asked the secretary of the Chukarinsky cell, who was present at the bureau, was: “How many people have you been evicted from their homes?” - "Forty-eight households." “Where do they sleep?” The secretary of the cell laughed, then replied that they would spend the night, they say, where they had to. Zimin told him: “But they should spend the night not with relatives, not in the premises, but on the street!”
After that, the party line was taken around the area even steeper. And the evicted began to freeze…”
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No. 78209
>>78206
>When were simple working people without political or economic power just kicked out of their living space back then?
Comrade, who in the soviet union is a simple working person without political or economic power? Do you believe these people were imnune to ideological terror?
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No. 78210 Kontra
>>78208
Ok, it's terrible and I don't see why leftism implies supporting Stalin or that Stalin is the only way for another world as you suggested. But anyhow, the eviction is because of property that plays a role in production. And which is not the situation I was describing.
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No. 78211 Kontra
>>78209
I don't get the content beyond the wit, please talk formally to me.
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No. 78212
>>78210
It's not terrible, you're just fooled by bourgeoisie morality and don't understand concept of revolutionary justice.

>>78211
I didn't understand him either. Maybe he wants to say that there was dictatorship of proletariat in USSR therefore simple working persons couldn't be without economic and political power. Actually they all were dictators.
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No. 78213
>>78211
There wasn't a sector of society low enough that they escaped the revolutionary rearrangement. There wasn't an ethnic group that escaped it either. From vulnerable dredges of society being removed to singular proles being charged with sabotage to make numbers.

In one more unique and exact example of poorfags being thrown from homes, I'll refer to one order for the destruction of dugout houses in Magnitogorsk. Their mud huts in the steppe were deemed ideologically deviant and a health hazard and they were herded back to communal barracks that were so overcrowded that the residents would make dugouts in the first place.

The apartment angle is complicated in the initial events of the October revolution because owning an apartment was already a sign you were a burgissi:DDD
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No. 78214 Kontra
>>78207
Nobody denies that the rightwingers in question are retarded victim complexed retards, but your dishonest reality-denying discourse is as retarded, too.
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No. 78215 Kontra
>>78213
Why not just like that instead of the wit? I understood it as the Russian and besides a sleepy laughter we get nothing serious out of it. Remember where you are right now, forget your youth!

>Their mud huts in the steppe were deemed ideologically deviant and a health hazard and they were herded back to communal barracks that were so overcrowded that the residents would make dugouts in the first place.

Ah, perks of modernization. While your post is convincing ( I don't know much) I think this is for example also due to modernization efforts that are not specifically communist (the current posthumanist twitter relativism would let them live in piece since modenrization is ebul universalism btw). Rather it stems from the polyamorous relationship of rationality, science and bureaucracy (with papa enlightenment shining down on them). Ofc course it is easier to 'modernize' when you have a Führer that decides.
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No. 78216 Kontra
>>78214
I'm glad I could introduce a new phrase to EC. Calling people dishonest when making emotional serious postings.
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No. 78217
>>78215
Because I am low quality poster at heart.
>I think this is for example also due to modernization efforts that are not specifically communist
Bolshevism is inherently modernist.
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No. 78219 Kontra
>>78216
>dishonest
>new phrase
Unwarranted self-importance is certainly something you don't lack.

Protip: You are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
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No. 78220 Kontra
>>78219
That post was not meant to be serious...
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No. 78221 Kontra
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Why are you not striving to be more like this cat, Ernst?
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No. 78222 Kontra
>>78221
Kääpibäära
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No. 78223
Once we started this discussion...
What will be your position after communism is achieved?
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No. 78224 Kontra
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>>78222
:D

You get this blessing free of charge.
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No. 78225 Kontra
>>78193
I think it’s less about people not humoring my bullshit than the fact that I just think my personality really has no depth ultimately. Plus I have no fucking idea how to co-exist with people.
I also don’t have le dark academia aura I’m afraid. (I own only one black sweater.)

>>78192
Yes. Probably.
But could you stop actually saying it out loud?
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No. 78226
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>>78223
Gauleiter huehehue
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No. 78228
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>>78223
Dead. We know what happens to bourgeois specialists before communism is achieved.

>>78194
>not actually based on the economic reality Observing materialist economic realities, soviet Union had marked class differences and thus a base for revolution. The most disadvantaged class in the USSR were low-level office workers. They were not payed much, but had nothing to carry out. Advantaged classes were workers who could carry out materials and trade them and shopkeepers who could sell on the backdoor or under the table or lorry drivers and railway workers who could take additional loads, for example fruit from the south to Moscow. Ruling classes were high-level party beurocrats, pretty much the equivalent feudal lords in a feudal society, and kgb, the equivalent to the inquisitors in a feudal society.
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No. 78229
>>78210
>Ok, it's terrible and I don't see why leftism implies supporting Stalin or that Stalin is the only way for another world as you suggested.
Because your equality economics will not magically provide anyone with any more goods. In fact, they will provide everyone with less goods because you want to ruin institutions of all kinds by making their primary function the creation of 'just' outcomes. The primary function of universities will not be to teach, but to provide teaching positions to 'disadvantages, oppressed' minorities and to indoctrinate the youth. The function of the executive branch of government will not be to uphold public order, it has to be tolerant towards the oppressed and be intolerant towards the oppressors, subverting the concept of legality and the rule of law.
The function of businesses will not be production of goods and services and turning a profit, but to provide well-payed positions for the oppressed.

You reduce economic output, by ruining all institutions and making them unable to fulfil their proper function in society. (Besides making life worse for the majority of people in a myriad of other ways). But you still want to make life better for the 'oppressed', after you destroyed everything that was able to provide quality of life.
There is no other way than to steal from those who have long-lasting goods like houses from pre-revolutionary times. As a German in this thread put it
>You can't measure the quality of a system by the amount of goods it produces
But the purpose of an economy is producing goods. If the economy does not produce goods, it has failed. Leftists see this differently, the economy has to provide justice to the oppressed classes. (and they decide who is oppressed, and they decided it's a constant, so the families described in >>78208
will still be oppressors)
After you ruined the economy (besides everything else), what remains but stealing, robbing and killing the former owners? With what else to fill the meat-pots of the revolution but with stolen goods?

Just look at the economically ruined, corrupt and unbelievably violent shithole that racial Marxism produced in South Africa. They repeatedly discuss land-reform, i.e. just driving out white farmers and giving the land to Zulus. Ignoring the fact that zulus themselves are 17th centuries immigrants to south Africa. If anything, the land should be given back to the bush people. Such land-Reform would further reduce economic output of a poor country, but who cares, let's make the cake smaller and steal a bigger share of it!
(Of course, informal land reform by pillaging, rapping and murdering gangs has been ongoing for decades. The police is unwilling and unable to do anything about it. Why is the police unwilling? It shows tolerance towards the oppressed, as Marcuse demands. Why is the police unable? It's purpose is to provide positions to the 'oppressed', not to police.)
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No. 78230
Went to a medieval fair yesterday. Got so drunk I fell into a stupor before midnight. Spent an awful lot of money on drinks and food, among which there was rips for 20€.
In my defense I have to say I haven't been to any kind of fair for quite some time and normally live rather frugally.
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No. 78231 Kontra
>>78229
>but to provide well-payed positions for the oppressed.

I don't take you seriously anymore and it's not what I have in mind nor do I think this would be the case. As I said to me you sound like somebody who is fearing he is losing advantages over others so far unnoticed. Or as I said that everybody now has to bleed who lived quite good and the pressed are the new terrible kings and queens now.

>unable to fulfil their proper function in society.

That is?

Classically, the profit motive is replaced. I don't see how regulatory functions will cease to exist, that is just bs. Regulatory aims can be pursued in different ways, institutions have changed over the centuries without any communist idea involved, and they aren't as static as portrayed by you.

>after you destroyed everything that was able to provide quality of life

Whatever that means exactly. The problem is that capitalism can have a very narrow definition of quality of life usually understood as derivates of "wealth".

>Leftists see this differently, the economy has to provide justice to the oppressed classes

I will say it again: get off the Twittersphere.

>they decide who is oppressed

Liberals will do that as well, stop making it a specialty. I mean you tried to argue in this ongoing discussion who is opressed and who is not in this very society we live in earlier posts so you want to dominate and decide about who is really oppressed and who is not. And you decide this from afar, "über die Kopfe der Leute hinweg".

>what remains but stealing, robbing and killing the former owners

Well the robbed their workers. I don't think you have to kill these people but with every change in political and social organization people who lose their good position will have a problem with this, who to deal with their mad asses? I don't think the clerks and aristocrats weren't happy about merchants gaining power and over the course of time make them loose all their power and privileges they once had in comparison to vast masses who had less and had to bow to what these people thought was the right thing to do.
You like what we have, we have it good but you fail to see that people went here by the idea of social progress and this is not the end. You want it to be the end because it's nice for you, so need for further progress, for others its horrible to live in this age and they could be better off. You have interest, they have interests.

>economically ruined, corrupt and unbelievably violent shithole

Nearly all countries of this earth are embedded in the global market economy and play according to the rules of this economic mode of production and yet we have quite a few ruined, corrupt and violent shitholes. Why aren't these better off? The magic powers of capitalism are not taking off despite all the reforms the IWF suggested? Hm.
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No. 78232
You people are not having a true capitalist Silicon Valley spirit. Just because a project failed, it doesn't mean another chance is possible. Have more trust in the process of learning.
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No. 78234
>>78231
>As I said to me you sound like somebody who is fearing he is losing advantages over others so far unnoticed.
This is exactly what I said earlier in >>78136. Anyone not on your side is either an oppressor or not sufficiently conscious. You decided that I am part of the first group and thus, need to be eliminated or at least have my assets seized and redistributed. As >>78213 pointed out, this need is not determined by the amount of assets I have - it is measured by my perceived amount of opposition. Such are the ways of revolutionary justice.

>That is?
A revealing question. To you, institutions do not have a function/the only function to be tolerated is the creation of a 'just' 'equal' society, free of 'oppression'.

>Whatever that means exactly.
Examples: A dysfunctional executive and judicial branch leads to rampant crime and corruption, impacting quality of life. A non-oppressive system of education will only teach about oppression and the achievements of the revolution, impacting quality of life. A cleaned-out cultural sector means we will be force-fed the cultural products of 'oppressed groups', made in a prescribed, diminishing the quality of life.

One example: socialist realism, truly proletarian, not avangarde-bullshit.
Completely different example: gangster-rap, the music of the oppressed. It is incredibly, unbelievably, absurdly positive about violence, sexual exploitation, misogyny and crime in general, all without the slightest hint of irony. Yet, it is tolerated, because gangster rap is the pre-approved cultural product of an 'oppressed group'. Tolerance for the oppressed, intolerance for the oppressors! And thus, we get gangster-rap reviews in FAZ. Pro-crime pro-sexual-violence propaganda in mainstream media, brought to you by the left.

>The problem is that capitalism can have a very narrow definition of quality of life usually understood as derivates of "wealth".
Much of the things the contemporary left values are derivatives of wealth. For example self-realization requires free time, requires time spent not working. This is only possible with a sufficient capital stock. Even hunter-gatherer societies that have free time, have it due to their capital stock of immense amounts of land per capita. Early cities had much less capital and thus, had much more oppressive political structures, slavery, longer working hours and centralized palace-economies with little private property. Personal freedom itself is a function of wealth.

>so you want to dominate and decide about who is really oppressed and who is not.
The oppressor-oppressed dichotomy where each member of a certain group is either constantly oppressed or constantly oppressive is ridiculous. But it lends itself well to assigning blame and as a pseudo-argument against dissident opinions. OF COURSE I WOULD SAY THAT, I AM AN OPPRESSOR. After all, there are only two reasons two not agree with you: 1) has insufficient consciousness. 2) is an oppressor.

>You like what we have, we have it good but you fail to see that people went here by the idea of social progress
If right-wing nationalist Freikorps had not stopped the 1918 revolution, Germany would likely look worse than Belarus today. I think the idea of "social progress" has not exactly fared well. What you consider "social progress" is the result of technological and institutional progress, the cultural and technological ability to create working (not overly corrupt, not overly biased, working towards a purpose) institutions and infrastructure, itself a result of liberalism.

>Why aren't these better off? The magic powers of capitalism are not taking off despite all the reforms the IWF suggested? Hm.
It is not in the power of the IWF to prevent corrupt officials ranging from president to pre-school-teacher to use their position as a sinecure or to use what power they have for the benefit of their clan/tribe/extended family/peer-group. (This form of corruption, by the way, is disgusting enough when the right does it, but for the left, it is part of the political agenda, helping the oppressed, etc). It is also not in the power of the IWF to change the culture of a society. If, for example, the concept of investment is not established culturally, their will be little chance for building a capital stock in that country.
If you think that development aid is mostly a bullshit waste of money and at best creates sales opportunity for domestic industry, I agree. Should be done away with asap.

Now, name one free, non-oppressive affluent society any brand of marxism has created anywhere.

>>78232
>You people are not having a true capitalist Silicon Valley spirit. Just because a project failed, it doesn't mean another chance is possible. Have more trust in the process of learning.
In start-up culture, they are not exactly in the habit of flogging dead horses.
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No. 78236 Kontra
>>78226
To think of the sudden change in expression that just mixing up a synonym from a different time period can cause! Someone's face became pale!
fugg :DD
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No. 78237
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>>78234
That's all right and probably you're correct BUT
You're wrong on a different level.

Leftism serves important social role in society which was empty after decline of Christianity. It's opium for unhappy people and virtue signaling tool for powerful people. What you do now is like seeing religious person in internet and writing ultra long tirades on how Earth wasn't created 5000 years ago. 100% aspie and fedora tier.
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No. 78238
>>78234
opposition and assets are closely knit would be more accurate. We still live in the aftermath of revolutionary justice but that seems to be not a problem for you.

>To you, institutions do not have a function/the only function to be tolerated is the creation of a 'just' 'equal' society, free of 'oppression'.

I don't think that a general goal (something also see profit from which things derive) makes obsolete institutions and their regulatory functions, I repeat myself here.

>Yet, it is tolerated, because gangster rap is the pre-approved cultural product of an 'oppressed group'.

Ehm, it's tolerated like jokes about women being dumb and emotional as well. I don't think that feminists, both white and nonwhite simply tolerate gangsta rap because these people are oppressed, they will criticize them. See, again the fine lines are missing again. Because the difference between oppression/non-oppression is coupled with many other differences like white/non-white, man/woman, child/parent, countrymen/refugee etc.

This discussion and many that are ongoing are showing it is still figured out. I mean black (feminist) women worked together with black men during the 1960s and 1970s in the US even though they will have experienced oppression/misogyny by black men for sure.

>constantly oppressed or constantly oppressive is ridiculous.

See the coupling of differences above. Looks like a Twittersphere argument again. I don't think that black men cannot be oppressive, ofc they can and are, this doesn't magically delete oppressions they receive from others, though. Just because gangsta rap is oppressive it doesn't mean that these people have no experience with discrimination etc.

>OF COURSE I WOULD SAY THAT, I AM AN OPPRESSOR. After all, there are only two reasons two not agree with you: 1) has insufficient consciousness. 2) is an oppressor.

That doesn't tell me anything about the argument that you want to decide who is oppressed or not, because over the course of this argument you, directly and indirectly, made a decision and judgment about who is oppressed and who is not and just lying and making things up.

What would be your theory about my point though? Am I the one with the false consciousness?

>"social progress" is the result of technological and institutional progress, the cultural and technological ability to create working (not overly corrupt, not overly biased, working towards a purpose) institutions and infrastructure, itself a result of liberalism.

And just because we had dictatorships and dreams about the new human in the 20th century no social progress in (democratic) institutions and technology is not possible anymore? Multiple times have I mentioned that social progress was an idea of the enlightenment era, closely tied to liberal thoughts and that socialism is an heir of these thoughts. It's quite simple for me, democracy and its institutions are distorted through economic power that is distributed heavily unequal ins this society. Even technological development is largely funded by economic actors not democratically controlled institutions, economic power and profit interests decide the course of scientific discovery and applied sciences. As I said from the profit dynamic everything is a derivative. But if these profit interests really bring us the progress we desire, both socially and technologically is debatable. In the interests of rationality, we can ask if is there a better way and pull through with it.
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No. 78239 Kontra
what zero theory does to a mf
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No. 78242 Kontra
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I want a world where I can open a today threda and read the latest adventures of an international cabal of assburgers and not some gommie gobbledygook debate.

Surely that'll be the case once a German makes a new threda.
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No. 78246
>>78238
>We still live in the aftermath of revolutionary justice but that seems to be not a problem for you.
We live in the time leading up to revolutionary justice but that seems to be not a problem for you.

>I don't think that a general goal (something also see profit from which things derive) makes obsolete institutions and their regulatory functions
General goal meaning: all institutions should work towards the destruction of society.

>Ehm, it's tolerated like jokes about women being dumb and emotional as well. I don't think that feminists, both white and nonwhite simply tolerate gangsta rap because these people are oppressed, they will criticize them.
Joke about dumb hairdressers and manta-drivers: why are the funerals of manta-drivers held on mondays? Because the hairdressers get their day of on monday.
Compare to rap-songs about rape, prostitution, murder, etc.
Then talk about fine lines.
Would there be a discussion of stupid jokes about Manta-drivers in Feuilletons? I doubt it. We get a public debate about whether an incredibly stupid song like 'Layla' should be played, but a discussion of 'Haftbefehls' newest Album in the Feuilletons like it was ... something of value and relevance. See https://www.zeit.de/kultur/musik/2020-06/haftbefehl-gangsterrap-das-weisse-album-offenbach-rezension-musik

>Just because gangsta rap is oppressive it doesn't mean that these people have no experience with discrimination etc.
>experience with discrimination
You mean like micro-aggressions? When someone looked at them funny? DER RASSIST ER HAT MISCH ANGESCHAUT ISCH SCHWÖRE? Discrimination like Hengameh Yaghoobifarrah has to suffer every day as a Trans-sexual hard-femme-of color with white passing-privilege? Or making only an upper-middle-class income from writing about Germans who -gasp- don't season their food like proper Iranians would?

Or the discrimination against black american gangsters (a minority among black men, luckily) who sometimes are actually arrested and sentenced for their glorified crimes? A culture that glorifies crime (gangster culture) produces more criminals, this is hardly a surprise.
Maybe society is not sufficiently tolerant towards the crimes of the oppressed?

Black live matters (famously led by 'trained marxists') burned down entire city centers. (a form of revolutionary justice, no doubt) Was that justified? Between January 2021 and July 2022, 7277 people have been shot by the American police. 2/3 of those were armed with a knife or a gun. Unarmed persons have slim chances of being shot by the police. 3180 of these people were white -> being white does not prevent you from being killed by the police. The rate at which black Americans being shot by the police is 40 per million, the rate at which white Americans are being shot by the police is only 16 per million, granted. But the median age of black Americans is 32, while the median age of white Americans is 44, and over 50% of all people shot by the police are below 40.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
I doubt that the chances of a white young man coming at an American police officer with a gun are much better than the chances of black young man coming at an American police officer with a gun. Still, demands to abolish the police were made. To classical marxists, The criminal is a socially friendly element. Stalin granted amnesty to common criminals, but not to political prisoners.

>Multiple times have I mentioned that social progress was an idea of the enlightenment era, closely tied to liberal thoughts and that socialism is an heir of these thoughts.
Cultural Marxism is in opposition to the ideals of liberalism. It sees liberalism itself as 'oppressive' and demands that freedoms are not be universal, but that a preference is to be made for the 'oppressed'. (In quotation marks, as I should have put throughout the entire discussion) More liberté and fraternité for the oppressed, do away with egalité - or more like it: reinterpret egalité. Equality does not mean equal treatment, but equality of outcome-achieved through unequal treatment. But when any institution has to recruit for even its most senior positions by this paradigm, its function will doubtlessly suffer. Especially since the 'oppressed' will not be very motivated-their status as 'oppressed' itself guarantees a certain amount of advancement through the hierarchy.

>ven technological development is largely funded by economic actors not democratically controlled institutions, economic power and profit interests decide the course of scientific discovery and applied sciences.
Why should any investment be made when there is no chance to recoup that investment? Even a communist economy should try to avoid wasting capital and labor on such endeavors, although it would be chronically unable to do so.
Market prices are how we determine the value ascribed to goods. The freer the market, the more accurate this metric becomes. In an un-free economic system, the information on the value assigned to goods are lost.
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>>78239
To see what a real theory looks like take a look at mainstream economics: reliance on empirical data and mathematical models. But let me guess: it's pure ideology and propaganda. Unlike "tutoring oppresses me because [link to Lacan]"-type books.
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>empirical data
>mathematical models
Disgusting. Those only serve to create pseudo-objectivity. Math is a fetish of classical theory!