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No. 9431
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What is your opinion on Lee Kuan Yew?

I find it interesting how he managed to turn Singapore, a backwards fishing village, into a thriving modern city-state in a single generation through fascism.
No. 9438 Kontra
He wasn't Fascist. He was quite authoritarian at times but his reasoning is closer to that of Liberal Utilitarianism than Fascism because the former unlike the latter sees despotism as justified until such a time that the state and people are developed enough that it can stand on its own two feet. Beyond that, self-rule by the people is justifiable while despotism is not. Fascism has authoritarianism at the heart of its ideology and Lee Kuan Yew was always moving towards a democratic state based on East Asian foundations. When he was opposition leader in the 50s he was vocally opposed to Fascists and later expanded on his ideas of democracy as being that Singaporean democracy would always be different to a Western one because of different cultural backgrounds.

Also, it wasn't a 'fishing village'. It was the heart of British East Asia. Here's a map of it in 1941. It's hardly a village by any stretch of the term.
No. 9439 Kontra
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No. 9440
>being that Singaporean democracy would always be different to a Western one because of different cultural backgrounds.
This is probably the main reason why democratic regimes fail in so many countries, Russia being one such example. Simply copying the western liberal democratic system is a bad idea since what works in Paris will not do so in Moscow.
No. 9441
Indeed, his exact point was something along the lines of 'what Westerners value in democracy, personal civil liberties, regular voting etc. is less important to me as an Asian man. In my culture, we value a functional and efficient government'. I think the idea of democracy in there was that much like a mandate of heaven, if the government proved to be non-functional or inefficient, it could and would be replaced, thus any government existed by the will of the people in spite of lacking traditional terms of government like a western democracy does. It's pretty interesting stuff, but it's not anything to point at and go 'see, this is why we need fayshizm'. I wonder what a Russian-style democracy would even look like? I see it actually being a lot like the Early US with very powerful states and a less powerful federal government because nobody is going to want to compromise on 'my ethnorepublic/oblast/whatever #1, all others can go to hui', so just let them all do their thing and contain their regional corruption and let cooler hedas manage international talks.
No. 9443
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>I see it actually being a lot like the Early US with very powerful states and a less powerful federal governments

Pretty much, but that would take founding fathers-tyre fanatics who would be weilling to sacrifice their own hold over the country in order to pursue this objective by starting a decentralization programme. There were some attempts in the 1990s by various heads of regions to get more autonomy for themselves. Needless to say, that never got anywhere.

However, such actions would have to fight another part of the Russian mentality - the desire to let the government do whatever it wants and put all power and responsibility in the hands of the ruler. At least 2-3 generations would have to be taught that they are the ones who hold power in their town/city/region and by taking part in the political sphere of life they could decide the future of the place they live in.

I attached a painting called "members of the Zemstvo are having lunch" because the idea of self-governing regions is one Russian rulers have been toying with for centuries but nothing really came from that. I feel like today, with all the technology we could finally have success in this regard, but maybe its just my wishful thinking.
No. 9447
Good man. Reality comes before democracy.
No. 9463
>later expanded on his ideas of democracy as being that Singaporean democracy would always be different to a Western one because of different cultural backgrounds.

I always found his claims a little dubious in this area. Caning bottoms is a thoroughly British institution that was latched onto by a man indoctrinated at the motherlands top institutions in the study of law and applied multiculturally. His defence is more that of a someone who won't let anyone else play on his train-set and held up because of natural economic growth.

Transposing Parliamentary democracy to a small cosmopolitan city that's a key spoke in a time of roaring international trade wasn't an impossible task. Frankly his petty resorts to libel for anyone who criticised him just speaks again of his English legal training and could easily have bitten the country in the arse (it still might regarding the precedent).

Oh I dunno. The rule of law is a pretty universal requirement and the lack of it has hobbled any chance of Russian liberalism taking hold imo.
No. 9475
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>He wasn't Fascist

No? I mean there are striking resemblances between his early policies and that of Oswald Mosley while even the BUF and PAP logos are the same thing.
No. 9478
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That's very fair. He is certainly not above criticism, and I'm also inclined to agree that Singapore being a major port in on the Straits of Johore (already a major shipping route) and smack bang in the middle of a developing economic zone in East Asia following the war meant that it was going to succeed economically either way so long as they didn't do anything incredibly stupid. They didn't necessarily need him, they just needed someone with half a brain which he happened to fit. I don't know if I'm entirely as cynical about his belief in some form of democracy as you make it sound, but I I can also see your point where there is a long period where Singapore is on its feet and he still won't let anybody else 'play on his train-set'.

In his early political years, as in the 50s, he made the statement to the effect that fascism was the enemy of Singapore's republic. He also continually pushed for multicultural acceptance and mutual respect for all people and faiths in the country, even the much newer ones like the Christians who he just wanted to stop preaching as hard because it was causing problems, and they did and the problems largely stopped. There was no 'Singaporeans first' policy in the sense of SE Asians getting better treatment than Europeans. He was also very much a proponent of Singapore having a place in a community of nations, not just having some manifest destiny for greatness like Fascist parties tend to proclaim, nor did he prop himself up with a personality cult in the same way. He was relatively popular but there wasn't the same cult that you see cultivated under a Fascist regime. And a lightning bolt isn't an uncommon symbol, go figure. The BUF were also very isolationist in their policy while Lee was all about opening Singapore to the world, their goals were at odds if he was wanting to emulate them.
No. 9480
It never ceases to amaze me the sheer depths of stupidity and ignorance of these dumb children with their new fascism meme. I still think the dumbest think I ever heard though was people bitching about how SJWs turned Star Wars anti-Nazi. As if it wasn't always like that.

Fascism is shit regardless OP, and you clearly know nothing of what you're talking about. "Small fishing village" for instance. It'd be like trying to defend everything shit and incompetent about Communism except that at least really did industrialize a bunch of agrarian nations--which also doesn't mean they needed Communism to do that. Plus I'd personally rather not live in a fascist country. You know what's a great fascist country? Saudi Arabia. You'd love it there. State and business concerns are merged under a monarchy, total separation of genders, general ethnic homogeneity, "SJWs" are executed etc.

My suggestion to all these dumb pricks is to try moving to their dream paradise of North Korea or Saudi Arabia.
No. 9484
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The PAP was initially very left-wing, until the left wing faction, led by Lim Chin Siong were purged from the party in 1961. They formed the Barisan Sosialis, which were crippled in 1963 by Operation Coldstore.

Also what kind of nonsense is it to consider LKY and the PAP fascist? If it suited Singapore, the PAP would adopt policies regardless of ideology. For instance, the HDB public housing scheme that now houses 90% of the population, or the Certificate of Entitlement scheme which artificially reduces car ownership rates. The economic sector is generally very free-market liberal. The reason why the PAP has been in power for so long is incompetent opposition and subtle but effective control of media and speech.
No. 9497 Kontra
>uou know what's a great fascist country? Saudi Arabia
stop misusing that word.
No. 9562 Kontra
I'll stop when people like OP stop. Besides which Saudi Arabia is much closer to both true fascism and whatever the hell reactionary bullshit people like OP dream about. It is the perfect antithesis to everything they hate about Western liberal democracies. All they have to do is be a Muslim. And better also be an Arab. Perfect monarchist largely ethnostate more free of degeneracy than virtually anywhere else in the world.